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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bobby Vee's "Here Today"
From: Bob Celli
2. Re: Jim Webb (another) question
From: Steve Harvey
3. Keith Everett and Dick Clark Caravan of Stars
From: Clark Besch
4. Re: Nashville Cats, Sylvie Vartan in Nashville
From: Nick Archer
5. neutral single sleeves
From: Christian Steiner
6. Re: Jim Webb - a statement
From: Richard Havers
7. Re: a Webb of Campbell
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Nashville Cats
From: Skip Woolwine
9. Re: Early Girls 4
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Re: popstars in Dallas in Nov. '63
From: Bob Rashkow
11. Adam's Apples
From: Lyn Nuttall
12. Re: Early Girls 4 / The Teddy Bears
From: Tom Diehl
13. Bobby Vee "Here Today" @ musica
From: Bob Celli
14. Re: Nashville Cats
From: Mike Rashkow
15. Jack Nitzsche compilation CD
From: Julio Niño
16. In praise of Jim Webb
From: Bill Craig
17. Re: Sylvie Vartan in Nashville
From: Dave Monroe
18. Re: Early Girls 4
From: Will Stos
19. Re: Jim Webb
From: Artie Wayne
20. Re: Frequently misheard lyrics: the case of 'He Is The Boy'
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:35:45 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee's "Here Today"
Jim Allio wrote:
> I'm intrigued by Bobby Vee's "Here Today." I've never heard it.
> When was it released? Did it never make it to CD yet? How about
> his great "In and Out of Love?"
Jim,
"Here Today", released in 1966, was sandwiched between "Look At
Me Girl" and "Come Back When You Grow Up". It has not been released on
anything but the 45 so far, and has yet to be mixed to stereo. "In &
Out Of Love" has not made it past single stage either, but it was
mixed in stereo on an audition copy when the song was flipped to be
the "A" side. I have the stereo mix of "In & Out Of Love" and also
have "Here Today", tack sharp in mono, from a safety copy reel. I'll
put them up as soon as some room becomes available in musica.
Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:43:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Jim Webb (another) question
James Botticelli wrote:
> Another Jim Webb question. He's coming to Boston here in about a
> month. Has anyone seen him perform? Is he another Burt Bacharach
> (carving his own material to ribbons)? Is he worth seeing? Help
> me. Please!
Never saw him live, but when he was on Mountain Stage I thought he
was pretty good. He did the Methodist tune that inspired "The Moon
Is A Harsh Mistress". Interesting tune in its own right.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:01:47 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Keith Everett and Dick Clark Caravan of Stars
Me:
> A couple of responses to Rob Pingel's request for a song ID:
> Not a hard one for Chicagoans. From spring 1966, it's "Don't
> You Know" by Keith Everett on Temp-Ting label. The song made
> WLS' Top 10 -- pretty good for a local which didn't hit
> nationally.
Rob Pingel wrote:
> You'd think that any record that managed to go top ten in a city
> as large as Chicago would certainly make the Billboard Hot 100.
> I don't believe "Don't You Know" even made a blip on the Bubbling
> Under listings. Would be interesting to know how many copies this
> one sold in the Chicago market. Any educated guesses?
Rob, my guess would be that "Don't You Know" by Keith Everett sold
under 100,000. Most likely 60,000 or more in Chicago. Being that it
was on a local label and never picked up by a major label, that kept
distribution to Chicago area, most likely. Most likely, it may have
sold well enough to reach the Hot 100 in theory, it had that main
thing against it. Because Billboard based it's Hot 100 on sales
across the country's record stores, the fact that it only got "sales
points" from stores in Chicago, those points didn't hold enough
weight to chart it when put in with other local records that charted
in more markets. Plus, WLS did not base its' charts on sales
always. In a Billboard ad in late 66, a Cameo ad said the New Colony
6's "Love You So Much" had sold 75,000 in Chicago and at the time was
just hitting Billboard and reached #2 on WLS, so a figure of 60000 to
70000 might be close, considering "Don't You Know" only made #8. By
the way, he went on to do "The Chant" on Mercury, so it did give him
a little boost there.
Yes, there are indeed MANY records that only charted high on regional
charts. I'm researching many of these right now and plan to print my
results here some time when i get closer to finishing up.
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> In reading about the early '60s duo Dale & Grace on Tom Simon's
> website of popstar bios, I came across a very interesting passage,
> reporting a story I'd never heard before:
>
> "As ["I'm Leaving It Up To You"] became more and more popular across
> the U.S., their tour stopped in Dallas, where President Kennedy was
> scheduled to visit. Dale & Grace stood along the motorcade route with
> Bobby Vee, Brian Hyland, Jimmy Clanton and others from [Dick Clark's]
> Caravan Of Stars and waved as Kennedy's motorcade passed by. By the
> time it had travelled another three blocks, some gunshots were fired
> in the distance from an office building along the motorcade route. A
> few hours later they learned ..."
Interesting! Our James Holvay toured with the Dick Clark tour in
64. James, any memories of this or were you not on the 63 tour?
On a side note, anyone know if Dick Clark is better? After Johnny
Carson's death, Ed McMahan was on a few shows and I was wondering if
anyone would ask if his friend Dick Clark was ok. Johnny Carson was
a great Nebraskan. He should be on our quarter!
Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:37:58 -0600
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: Nashville Cats, Sylvie Vartan in Nashville
Max Weiner wrote:
> As far as the 60's are concerned, was there a lot of Rock produced
> in Nashville? Who were some of the name Rock bands and singers that
> recorded in Nashville?
It's been my dream to research the definitive Nashville pop and rock
scene of the 60's. Here's a few of the Nashville productions off the
top of my head.
Everlasting Love - Robert Knight
Sandy - Ronny & the Daytonas
I Can't Stay Mad At You - Skeeter Davis
Morning Girl - Neon Philharmonic
San Bernadino - The Lemonade Charade
Look out for the names Buzz Cason, Dickey Lee, Tupper Saussy.
Everyone has recorded here, from Bob Dylan to Barry Manilow. That
brings up a question. Is the album that Sylvie Vartan recorded in
Nashville in the 60's in print anywhere?
Nick Archer
Franklin, Tn
Check out Nashville's classic pop and soft rock radio station SM95,
now streaming at http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:01:04 +0100
From: Christian Steiner
Subject: neutral single sleeves
Hi!
Does anybody know, where I can get neutral carboard sleeves with
centre-holes for 7" singles, preferrably in black (but definitely
not in white)? My old supplier has folded down and googeling for
them nearly drives me crazy for those permanent links leading to
potential love affairs with singles ;) To save me some postage I
would especially like to find a dealer in Germany or Europe...
Please help me!
Krischan
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:15:22 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Jim Webb - a statement
James Botticelli wrote:
> Another Jim Webb question. He's coming to Boston here in about a month.
> Has anyone seen him perform? Is he another Burt Bacharach (carving his
> own material to ribbons)? Is he worth seeing? Help me. Please!
James
An evening with Jimmy Webb, his music, his wit and repartee is as good
a time as you could have with any singer/songwriter. If you want to
test drive a performance check out Jimmy's 'Ten Easy Pieces' album.
It's a studio affair but very representative of his live work. His
reading on that album of 'The Moon's a Harsh Mistress' is sublime. He
imbues, what for me is one of the greatest songs of the rock era, lyric
with that special something only a song's writer can.
While I'm on I'd recommend Glen Campbell's CD 'Reunited With Jimmy Webb
1974-1988' - it is a gem. Too many people have written Glen off as just
a country pop singer, but with Jimmy's material he raises his game to a
whole another level. Songs such as Lightning in a Bottle, Early Morning
Song (partly about Harry Nillson), Just This One Time, You Might as
Well Smile and About The Ocean are given superb and often emotional
readings by Campbell.
Some other JLW songs worth checking out include - Clowns Exit Laughing
by the Fortunes, First Hymn From Grand Terrace - Mark Lindsay, Love
Years Coming - The Match (one for sunshine and harmony pop
aficionados), Montage by Jefferson (mentioned before and found on
Specpop and on Kingsley Abbot's excellent Ripples Vol.7), Pocketful of
Keys - Buddy Greco, Requiem by Richard Harris, She Moves eyes Follow -
Kenny Rankin, Skywriter - Art Garfunkel, When Can Brown Begin - Scott
Walker (Still the greatest singer to come out of the sixties), and
Only One Life by Michael Feinstein (possibly not to everyone's taste by
lyrically lot is one of Jimmy's best)
I have seen Jimmy half a dozen times and never been disappointed. Then
again I think he's America's greatest living songwriter, so I might be
a touch biased! That's probably used up all my self-opinionated posting
options for the decade, so I'll just withdraw into my personal
sanctuary and draw my cloak of Webb CD's around me for company.
Richard
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:15:36 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: a Webb of Campbell
Brent Cash wrote:
> While we're on the subject of early Webbsongs, does anyone know if
> "Please Don't Turn Out The Lights/This Time Last Summer" by Danny
> Day on V.I.P. are among Jimmy's first songs? They are copyrighted
> 1965 Jobete publishing.
I can't answer that, but interesting to see that he was, apparently, a
Motown staff writer early in his career.
Some friends of mine saw Glen Campbell perform a couple of weeks ago at
a casino in Connecticut. They reported that, while Campbell's show was
great (and sounded very similar to the transcendent one I saw in Branson
a year-and-a-half ago, just prior to his DUI arrest), there was a very
odd moment near the end of his set. By way of mentioning the Webb-
written hits he'd already played, Campbell pointed out the songwriter
himself, sitting alone at a small table way in the back of the 300-seat
supper club. That Webb would not have rated a better seat isn't the odd
part, however; the odd part is that Campbell then invited Webb up to
join him for, not one of his own songs but rather "Rhinestone Cowboy."
Like, what the ...?!
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:26:38 -0600
From: Skip Woolwine
Subject: Nashville Cats
You need Buzz Cason's recently-published book "Living the Rock n Roll
Dream." He was in Nashville's first RnR band the Casuals. There are
so many great stories in this memoire.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:15:55 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Early Girls 4
Mick Patrick wrote:
> The tracks on EARLY GIRLS 4 CD were selected by Rob Finnis, John
> Broven and Trevor Churchill, the same guys who compiled Ace's
> "Golden Age Of American Rock'n'Roll" series. The booklet was
> written by Malcolm Baumgart and myself. I proof read the artwork
> just the other day. The cover photo of Mary Ann Fisher is to die
> for.
Looks like a nice mix of unknowns to big hits, '50s to '60s, noveties to
weepers, light pop to chuggin' rocknroll. So great that another Teddy
Bears track will finally be in print again!
> In the meantime, any questions?
Do you know if Ace has ever looked into the possibility of some sort of
link-up for proper American distribution of their products? Or do their
licenses only cover British territories?
Excitedly,
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:33:07 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: popstars in Dallas in Nov. '63
Check out the Billboard charts for the week of Kennedy's murder.
Very eerie--includes "You Lost The Sweetest Boy", "I Am A Witness",
and several other decidedly "appropriate" titles. I can't locate
my Whitburn 6Ts charts book and I can't remember the other ones,
but it sure freaked me--Bobster
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:00:16 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Adam's Apples
Does anyone here know anything about this soul group? They recorded
for Brunswick '67-'68, presumably part of that soul output under Carl
Davis that included Jackie Wilson's career revival. 'Don't Take It Out
On The World' and 'You Are The One I Love' were two of their singles.
'You Are The One I Love' was written by Shelley Pinz and Paul Leka
(they also wrote 'Green Tambourine', for example) and it was covered
in Australia by The Groove. I don't know of any other versions of the
song: Adam's Apples' version could be the original.
I can't find any background on them, but they seem to be familiar in
Northern Soul circles.
Lyn
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:29:21 -0000
From: Tom Diehl
Subject: Re: Early Girls 4 / The Teddy Bears
Previously:
> The tracks on EARLY GIRLS 4 CD were selected by Rob Finnis, John
> Broven and Trevor Churchill, the same guys who compiled Ace's
> "Golden Age Of American Rock'n'Roll" series. The booklet was
> written by Malcolm Baumgart and myself. I proof read the artwork
> just the other day. The cover photo of Mary Ann Fisher is to die
> for. Here's the tracklist:
>
> 8. THE TEDDY BEARS "Oh Why"
>
> The CD will be out at the end of February. You'll be able to read
> more about it on the Ace website around that time. In the meantime,
> any questions?
The Teddy Bears track is wonderful. I own the 45 and have a stereo
copy of it from the imperial lp on cd-r. I wonder if the version on
this cd will be in stereo or not. Do you know?
--Tom Diehl
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:20:14 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Bobby Vee "Here Today" @ musica
I've posted Bobby Vee's version of "Here Today" to musica. The track
was cut in 1966, produced by Dallas Smith and arranged by Leon Russell
on Liberty Records # 55921.
Bob Celli
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:35:51 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Nashville Cats
I think there should be a deli in Nashville named Nashville Katz.
Di la,
The Punster
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:26:04 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Jack Nitzsche compilation CD
Hola Everybody.
Thanks to Mick for giving us an advance of the track listing of
Early Girls 4. It sounds terrific, and I'm convinced that as usual
in ACE products, the notes and artwork will be a work of art.
Martin Roberts tantalized us:
> I never mentioned on my "Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop" update
> message that news of Ace Records' Nitzsche compilation CD,
> compiled by Mick with Tony Rounce, is being 'leaked' on the
> home page: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
I know that letting build the suspense could be more fun, but I'm
a very impatient guy. Perhaps Mick could give us some tips about
the tracks that are included in that long awaited compilation. If
not I'll need to take some of the pills I use to sedate my cats
when I must take them on a trip, and I don't know which side
effects they could have.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:25:04 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: In praise of Jim Webb
I strongly agree with Richard Havers' praise for Jimmy Webb. I'd
even go along with the opinion of Scott Walker's voice, perhaps only
ammending it to say one of the top 5 voices to come out of the
sixties.
Bill Craig
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:20:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Sylvie Vartan in Nashville
Nick Archer wrote:
> It's been my dream to research the definitive Nashville pop and
> rock scene of the 60's.... Everyone has recorded here, from Bob
> Dylan to Barry Manilow. That brings up a question. Is the album
> that Sylvie Vartan recorded in Nashville in the > 60's in print
> anywhere?
Sylvie a Nashville doesn't come cheap on either LP or CD, but it
generally comes more cheaply and, certainly, far more easily on CD,
albeit only I believe as a Japanese as opposed to even French import,
from BMG Japan. I got the run of the 60s CDs (save Gift-Wrapped
from Paris) on one or another of the amazons-dot-com, even. It's a
nice album, though I think the LP prices have as much to do with
packaging as anything (it's a beautiful package, and the sleeve is
markedly differnt from that CD booklet, sort of pop art), though I
prefer the "2'35 de bonheur" album (I get the impression several of
her 60s albums are simply titled, or, at least, identified as by
"Sylvie," then generally known by the first track or somesuch).
That other pink one with her reclining is another favorite, as is
the first one (bowler hat). Here's the official (and best) site:
http://www.aplmusique.com/vartan/
Check out the well and beautifully illustrated discography, as
well as the photography section ...
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:21:31 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Early Girls 4
> In the meantime, any questions?
When you're compiling comps like this one, do you normally stick to
certain record companies and labels? Is it easier to licence material
if you stick to one owner? Or do you simply create a wish list and
ask the brass to go looking for them? On a lot of best of albums, I
sometimes wonder why the material is from a group's time on one label
and doesn't span their entire career. Or in the case of comps, why
they're often label-specific. Not that I mind. Sometimes it's
interesting to hear what labelmates were recording.
Will : )
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:20:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Jim Webb
How ya'll doin'? I'm really happy so much attention is being paid to
Jimmy Webb by Spectropop. In 1971 when I was gen. manager and director
of creative services at Warner Brothers Music we administered his
publishing companies. With the blessings of President, Ed Silvers, I
spearheaded a campaign with my "Warner Raiders" to get multiple
recordings on his material.
The first "assault" was to help my friend Artie Garfunkle find songs
for his first album. When we heard "All I Know" we all knew it could
be a smash. "Raider" Tony Byrne dedicated months to making sure we
would have several Jimmy Webb songs on the album.
We also put Jimmy together with Artie and Roy Hallee, his producer,
and after a year we wound up with several songs on the album. In all
WB music had 5 cuts, including two other top tenners, "I Shall Sing"
written by Van Morrison and "Woyaya" written by the Black South
African group Osibisa.
When the album was ready to come out... the first single chose was
"Travelin'boy" written by Paul Williams and published by our rivals
Irving/Almo music. Needless to say, after spending so much time on
this project, I was livid!
I called up Artie and threatened to immediately get covers on the 5
songs he recorded, unless they released "All I Know".
Although Artie, Roy Hallee and Columbia records were pissed off
initially, they were happy with the final outcome. However, after
each of the first three singles that we published were hits, they
planned to release "Travelin'Boy", and each time I threatened to get
covers on the remaining songs unless we were given the next single!
Ironically, after three hits that we gave him, Artie told me that
the next single would be from WB as well, but by that time I had
left WB to run Irving/Almo music and convinced him it was time to
put out my new company's "Travelin'Boy"!.
regards, Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:42:45 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Frequently misheard lyrics: the case of 'He Is The Boy'
Hans Huss wrote:
> Speaking of Little Eva: for years and years I've been trying to
> decipher the three first lines of 'He Is The Boy'. Another
> fantastic tune, as fine an example of Klezmer meets R&B on Broadway
> as you could wish for, but something tells me 'You never set eyes
> on a passing crate' is not what she sang (even if it were about her
> boyfriend). I will not embarrass the list with my guesses at the
> first two lines but please help!
Got it!
"When they gave out brains they got his mislaid.
He'll never set eyes on a passing grade."
I had to get out my stereo copy of the "Llll-Locomotion" LP and
listen ten times to fathom it out.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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