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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Hit Records stereo singles
From: Joe Nelson
2. Re: Nightriders 45
From: Artie Wayne
3. Re: Time, oh time
From: Joe Nelson
4. Johnny Fortune
From: Stephen C. Propes
5. Johnny Fortune
From: Gary Myers
6. Re: Jimmy Webb / 5th Dimension
From: Artie Wayne
7. Re: No Bass (and Great Bass)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
8. Re: Muscle Shoals
From: Mike Rashkow
9. Re: Athena label from Nashville?
From: Dave Monroe
10. Re: Best Of Their Love
From: Phil X Milstein
11. Re: "Baby It's You"
From: Dave Monroe
12. Re: The Dellwoods
From: Fred Clemens
13. Re: Basil Swift
From: Phil X Milstein
14. Re: demises
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Re: Loudermilk of human kindness
From: Phil X Milstein
16. Re: Jimmy Webb/ "Earthbound" / 5th Dimension
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
17. Time Life "The Rock'n'Rroll Era"
From: Doug
18. Lance Fortune
From: Peter Lerner
19. Help Needed
From: Mike Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:56:23 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Hit Records stereo singles
Billy Spradlin:
> Also, were some stereo 45s made after late 1967 (like The Lemon Pipers'
> "Green Tamborine") cut this way? I have several 45s from the late '60s
> that have "Compatable Stereo" on the label.
Some, but not all. A handful of labels, such as Atlantic and A&M.
preferred the Haeco C(ompatable)S(tereo)G(enerator) system. The CSG
threw the right channel ninety degrees out of phase with the left,
phasing down the center channel by about thirty percent when played in
mono. I've heard the Lemon Pipers record (actually "Rice Is Nice") was
cut this way but don't have it to verify that.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:20:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Nightriders 45
Claire...How ya' doin'? First I want to thank you for producing such
an enjoyable record. Although Hugh McCracken and I wrote "It's Only
the Dog" for the Kingsmen, the record I helped Jerry Dennon to produce
didn't capture the bizzare nature of the song. It's hard to believe
that I never knew the song was even covered.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:08:04 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Time, oh time
Phil M asked:
> Now that I think of it I'm not sure why record companies would
> bother listing times on their stock copies at all! Would a home
> listener choose a 2:10 record over a 2:50 one in order to save
> 40 seconds to make an appointment?
Country Paul replied:
> For home tapers, perhaps - before it became a big bugaboo. I know
> that's how I used it (but mostly for sequencing singles I'd already
> bought).
To which I'd like to add those timings, when accurate, really came in
handy during the Seventies (i.e. the eight-track cartridge era).
Although I never bought one of the things a lot of people I knew did,
and I got real good at the mixed base addition and subtraction
necessary to program your tapes to four relatively equal lengths. If
the format hadn't bit the dust by the time I entered the workforce I
probably could have used that ability to get entry into the record
industry.
Curiously, that skill saved the day a few months ago on the job (I fix
trains for Metro North Railroad in New York City). The Federal Railway
Administration requires event recorders on controling equipment
(similar to black boxes on airplanes). We had a problem during a run
with a car, and my boss wanted to compare the car that failed with
another car in the same consist. He downloaded the second car, went to
the time of failure and found nothing. He came to me and asked if I
could find the point of failure. I said these clocks are never in
synch, let me show you how to find it. I looked at the failure point
on the problem car and noted the exact time. Then I went to the point
of departure from Grand Central Terminal, noted that time and
subtracted the two. Then I went to the good car, found the departure
point, added the difference from the first car to the departure time,
told the computer to pinpoint the answer and went straight to the
point of failure on the second car. The boss just sat there looking at
me like I had three heads, absolutely clueless as to what I'd done.
Call it "job security". :-)
Joe Nelson
(didn't get a promotion out of the deal...)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:25:18 -0000
From: Stephen C. Propes
Subject: Johnny Fortune
Country Paul:
> 'Soul Surfer' by Johnny Fortune (4/6/63) ... By the way, who was he?
> (I doubt his birth certificate said "Fortune" - or did it?)
RN: Johnny Sudeta. He recorded at the Pal Studios in Cucamonga, made
famous by Frank Zappa.
Steve
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:14:04 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Johnny Fortune
Country Paul:
> ... 'Soul Surfer' by Johnny Fortune ... who was he?
I did a story on him around 1979. I'll get it out and post a few
facts in the next day or 2.
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:32:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb / 5th Dimension
Anthony...How ya'doin'? I represented the 5th Diminsion's publishing
companies as well as Jimmy Webb's when I was at Warner Brothers Music
and co-wrote their last hit "Flashback" with Alan O'Day.
I've lost touch with the group and Jimmy, but I'd love to hear
"Moonlight Mile" that everyone is raving about. Is it out on CD? If
not, could you post it to musica?
Thanks and regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:58:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: No Bass (and Great Bass)
Previously:
> Good to see The Orlons get a plug. Listen to 'Crossfire!' for a
> great bass line (and great everything else as well).
I just listened to Crossfire, and it is wonderful - - but - - how
do I find out who the bass player [and hopefully, the drummer] was?
Gary Myers:
> I'm pretty sure that "To Know Him Is To Love Him" has no bass
> (Teddy Bears, not P&G).
Spector is supposed to have played all the instruments on this
track [except for Sandy Nelson on drums - not his most rousing
work], perhaps Phil was not comfortable on bass?
Einar
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:53:51 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Muscle Shoals
> Historic Muscle Shoals Recording Studio Closes
Now--that is the saddest post of I've read on S'pop.
No la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:51:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Athena label from Nashville?
Jon Christopher Pennington wrote:
> Continuing the discussion of Nashville pop, I think Athena Records
> was a Nashville label. The label released the Feminine Complex LP
> "Livin' Love," which should be of interest to most people on this
> list. The Feminine Complex was an all-girl band out of Nashville
> with a Nancy Sinatra-meets-The Standells kind of sound, but also
> with some poppier tracks....
Great band, great album, decent 45 ("Six O'Clock in the Morning,"
though I'm more of a fan of "I've Been Working on You"), Teenbeat
(Rev-Ola in the U.K.) reissued Livin' Love on both vinyl and CD a
little under a decade ago (though I got lucky and recently scored
an OG Athena LP as well), along with demo material, another 45, and
a CD of previously unreleased material (To Be in Love). Links:
http://users.erols.com/teenbeat/femcmplx.html
http://www.cherryred.co.uk/revola/artists/femininecrrev66.htm
Though I'd say more 60s countrified pop meets Muscle Shoals (R.I.P.)
horns, at least on my favorite tracks.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:33:07 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Best Of Their Love
Clark Besch wrote:
> Hi, altho this isn't usual S'pop chatter, I am looking for help.
> I just found out a co-worker is brother to the Emotions, the
> sister group who won a Grammy for "Best Of My Love" in 1978.
> I have a lot of material on their 70's days, but am looking
> for any 60's material--videos, radio charts, pictures, etc.
I always thought "Best Of My Love" was by The Eagles!
Just fueling, but didn't both "Best"s come out around the same time?
It can't be all that common for two songs of a substantially similar
(if not identical) title, even if such an innocuous one as this, to
both hit big within a short period of time.
Observationally,
--Phil M.
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:36:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: "Baby It's You"
James Botticelli wrote:
> Funnily enough I just digitized a 1980 recording of "Baby Its You"
> by a girl group called Dolly Mixture. It rocks a little too much
> for my ears but when the subject of your CD-R is "Stuff From '77-
> '84 That Sounds Sixties" you include it..
Man, I've been TRYING to score Dolly Mixture vinyl, but ... anyway,
DM's Deborah "Debsey" Kelly is currently in Birdie, who have two
albums out in a more folksy 60s vibe. She also sang on Saint
Etienne's cover of Candlewick Green's "Who Do You Think You Are?"
St. E's Bob Stanley put out a CD of DM tracks (Demonstration Tapes,
on Royal Mint). Further info:
http://www.thestranger.com/1999-05-06/excellent15.html
http://www.geocities.com/tokyoskyline/etiennerelated.html
My fave DM track: "How Come You're Such a Hit with the Boys, Jane?"
That title alone ...
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:26:10 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: The Dellwoods
Country Paul wrote:
> It was on an album of Mad songs credited to a group called The
> Dellwoods. Anyone know anything about them? Were they a real group?
> My favorite track from the album was the heartfelt ballad "I"ll
> Never Make Fun of Her Mustache Again." (For the record, Dellwood
> was a major dairy company serving the New York metro area, where
> mad was headquartered.)
The Dellwoods appear to be a legitimate group, as they are pictured
on the back side of the MAD TWISTS ROCK AND ROLL lp on Big Top. The
other featured Artists were Mike Russo and Jeanne Hayes. Mike Russo
had earlier attempted a solo gig in 1959, when he remade the Isley
Brothers' "I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door" on the Crosley label. The
Isleys had recorded it earlier in the year on RCA Victor. Eddie
Hodges had a Hit with it for Cadence in 1961(?). Mike Russo would go
on to record a blues oriented album for the Airhoolie(sp) label in
the late 60's (or early '70's?).
Two MAD tunes by the Dellwoods from the LP had earlier been released
as a single (on RCA), but credited to the Sweet Sick Teens. The
songs were "Agnes (The Teenage Russian Spy)" and "The Pretzel". As
the Dellwoods, a Big Top single was realized from the album, "Don't
Put Onions On Your Hamburger" b/w "Her Mustache". Also, a few of the
tunes from both Big Top lp's (the other one being FINK ALONG WITH
MAD), were issued as laminated cardboard records in certain MAD
Special issues a couple of years after the initial lp's.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:25 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Basil Swift
Eddy Smit wrote:
> ... In the US there was the 45 version of Brian Wilson doing his bit
> as Basil Swift and the Seagrams, c/w Shambles, produced by Nik Venet
> and Danny Hutton on Mercury 72386 (1965).
I was always under the impression that "Basil Swift" was aka Danny
Hutton. No?
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:30:03 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: demises
Bill Swanke wrote:
> Historic Muscle Shoals Recording Studio Closes
Hi Bill. No offense, and I appreciate your diligence, but I sure hope
to read some GOOD news from you one of these days! I'm only fueling
actually, as I realize that when working with aging artists the
inevitable is bound to occur at a much higher rate than if you were
mining, say, the Rave field, but I still sincerely hold out hope --
for your sake at least as much as for our's -- that one of these days
you'll be able to report something to us other than an obituary,
whether of a human or inanimate subject.
Best wishes,
--Phil X. Milstein
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:21:44 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Loudermilk of human kindness
Davie Gordon wrote:
> I was going to refer you to a great John D. Loudermilk website,
> only to discover that you most likely know about it already, since
> it's your project :) I'll see if I can find anything on Jana.
> Congratulations on your site -- a superb piece of work.
> http://members.chello.nl/~k.vanderhoeven/JDL.html
I second Davie's enthusiasm for Kees' Loudermilk site. The first time
I found myself visiting there, it struck me that while I was quite
familiar with Loudermilk's name as the author of dozens of great songs,
I didn't know a thing about him, nor had I heard any of his own records.
This in turn triggered me to pick up a JDL album or two, and, after
getting over the shock of hearing Loudermilk's clear, earnest voice
(shocking because I'd expected, for whatever reason, something closer
to a life-hardened rasp; in fact I think I specifically had Dave Van
Ronk in mind), I've found myself quite liking them.
I'd call Loudermilk a "singular talent," except that there is one career
to whose his seems to have a lot of parallels, that being Mose Allison.
Neither is quite categorizable; both are better-known for their
compositions than for their own recordings; and other stuff like that. I
believe both are still alive, as well.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb/ "Earthbound" / 5th Dimension
Previously:
> Can anybody tell me how good the reunion album Jimmy Webb did with
> the 5th Dimension is? 'Earthbound' is out of print ... If there are
> any other Fifth Dimension fans out there, I'd love to hear your
> take on this LP.
I'm wondering if this "reunion" included Hal Blaine and the Wrecking
Crew, who were such a big part of the original 5th Dimention, and a
lot of other Jimmy Webb stuff for that matter?
Einar
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:00:53 -0000
From: Doug
Subject: Time Life "The Rock'n'Rroll Era"
Can anyone tell me, or know where I can find, a complete list of
what cds were issued in the Time Life "The Rock'n'Rroll Era" series?
Thanks, Doug
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:13:19 -0000
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Lance Fortune
Listening to regional BBC radio on my way home late from work last
evening, I almost crashed the car when I heard former Radio Caroline
DJ playing "Be mine" by Lance Fortune. For the majority who have
never heard it, it was a UK top ten hit in 1960, quite well sung by
a slightly husky Lance to an all action pizzicato string accompaniment,
reminiscent of contemporary Adam Faith-with-John-Barry-accompaniment,
which itself owed major debts stylistically to Buddy Holy's "It
doesn't matter anymore". Get the picture?
Well, the record so charmed me then that I bought it, but shortly
afterwards must have confused it for a floor mop. so for the past 45
years my listening pleasure has been somewhat tarnished. It was a joy
therefore to hear it in pristine sound.
Which leads me to wonder, at the time Lance Fortune was something of
a mystery man. He followed up "Be mine" with three equally charming
non hits, all on the Pye label, then disappeared. Totally. He did not
turn up in 1963 leading a Mersey style beat group, nor in 1969 as a
heavy metal hippie. My recollection is that he was said to be an
undergraduate who went back to university after his 15 minutes of
fame. But something else says he was someone more renowned, in
disguise. One thing is certain, he never turns up on revival tours or
in nostalgia mags.
Does anyone know anything about this gentleman. Has his oeuvre been
collected on to CD? Did he record an album to go alongside his hit?
Well it makes a change from Brian Wilson, doesn't it.
Peter
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:06:39 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Help Needed
Fellow S'pop-ers,
I ask your assistance for a project I am working on, as follows:
I need good originals for the following recordings:
The Hardy Boys:
1. Let The Sun Shine
2. Good Good Lovin'
3. My Little Sweetpea
4. I Hear The Grass Singing
5. On Time In A Million
6. Those Country Girls
I have previously been given a CD dub of these from one of our good
brothers, but the quality of the source LP was marginal, and the
beginning of several are clipped in the transfer.
Also:
Steve Tudanger
1. This Is The Beginning Of My Love
This is the "B" side of "Everybody's Talkin' 'Bout You" on Mercury--
and that is the only place it exists. For this one, I only need the
last 1/3 to be in good shape. I've got the rest.
If you can help with any of the above, please contact me off-line
and hopefully we can work out something together.
Thanks.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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