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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Myths??
From: Steve Harvey
2. Re: WTAG / WORC
From: Martin Nathan
3. Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
From: Mark J
4. Toni Arden Help Off List
From: Rex Strother
5. Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
From: Scott Swanson
6. Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances
From: Max Weiner
7. Rave Review of a hidden gem!
From: Mark Wirtz
8. Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
From: Lobby
9. Jeff Barry
From: James Botticelli
10. Chubby Checker @ musica
From: Matt Spero
11. Yardbirds today
From: Lobby
12. Love Is Strange versions
From: Phil X Milstein
13. Mirwood Soul
From: S'pop Projects
14. Re: K & K; Attack
From: Mr Rashkow
15. Re: Cameo Parkway Story
From: Rob Pingel
16. Re: "Sugar And Spice" remembrances
From: Clark Besch
17. Re: Clifford Curry
From: Phil X Milstein
18. Steve Fromm
From: Keith E Murphy
19. Re: Susan Cowsill solo
From: Artie Wayne
20. Re: myths of the Page sort
From: Artie Wayne
21. Re: Cameo Parkway Story
From: Clark Besch
22. Re: myths of the Page sort
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
23. Re: Rare Breed's "Beg Borrow And Steal"
From: Dave Monroe
24. Re: "Come On Down To My Boat"
From: Austin Roberts
25. Re: WTAG / WORC
From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:58:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Myths??
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string intro on the
> Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he played lead
> on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks producer
> Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth?
Wishful thinking on Mr. Page's part. He was on the Kinks record, but
it was Dave Davies that played the solo that made it famous.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:08:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Nathan
Subject: Re: WTAG / WORC
I really enjoyed WORC around 69-70. Lots of obscure singers and groups
on the WORC top 50 weekly music survey. The first 45 I ever bought
was "Those Were The Days" by Mary Hopkin, and my mother stopped buying
records for me after I brought home "I'm Living In a Shame" by Diana
Ross & the Supremes. Remember "The Thought Of Loving You" by The
Crystal Mansion- that was a very good song, but it didn't chart very
high nationally. Another great one was "Tobacco Road" by Jamul, the
most kick-ass version ever of that song!
Martin
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:00:16 -0500
From: Mark J
Subject: Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
Artie Wayne:
> How ya' doin'? In 1963, Roger McGuinn [then known as Jim McGuinn]
> was considered one of America's foremost 12-string session guitarists.
> This is why I used him on the Joey Powers "Midnight Mary" album
> version of "Walk Right In". This was almost 2 years before he formed
> the Byrds.
Jim had used a 12 string acoustic, but he had never used a Rickenbacker
and the sound is very different.
-Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:48:07 -0700
From: Rex Strother
Subject: Toni Arden Help Off List
Anyone who can help me with bio material on Toni Arden (from her days
with Al Trace, Shep Fields, Columbia, then to Decca and finally to
"off-labels", I would really appreciate. Does anyone know if Toni is
still with us - and if so, how I might contact?
Yours, Rex
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:28:30 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
Artie Wayne writes:
> How ya'll doin'? Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string
> intro on the Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he
> played lead on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks
> producer Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth?
Well Artie, I'm a bit if a Page-o-phile so I'd say I'm about as qualified
as anyone to answer these questions.
First, the Beatles. This is the first I've EVER heard of Page being
connected to the Beatles! I very much doubt it's true for several
reasons -- mainly because the Beatles rarely used session musicians (aside
from strings, etc.), and secondly because Page rarely worked for George
Martin or Parlophone.
As for the Kinks....I know of two interviews where Page specifically
stated that he DID NOT play on "You Really Got Me". And as far as I know
Page has NEVER publicly claimed to have played lead guitar on ANY Kinks
recording. So if he told you he played lead, that would certainly be a
first.
There is one possible explanation for this, though. The Kinks actually
recorded YRGM on two separate occasions -- the first version was a
disaster, prompting the band re-record the song 2 weeks later. Ray
Davies has all but admitted in at least one interview that Page played
lead guitar on that first (unreleased) version.
Artie, I'm curious to know _when_ Page made these statements to you. If
it was pre-1968, then I'd reckon that Page was merely trying to pad his
resume and/or impress you. But if he said it later on (i.e. during Led
Zep's heyday in the '70s), then I'd be more likely to believe him.
Regards,
Scott
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:59:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Max Weiner
Subject: Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances
Being from Chicago myself, I am well aquainted with the Cryan Shames,
as well as the NC6, the Shadows of Knight & and of course, the
Buckinghams. This website might give your freind and insight on the
Cryan Shames. I always loved the guitar on Sugar and Spice. But if I
remember right, "I Wanna Meet You" was their biggest hit:
http://www.cryanshames.com/history.html
max
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:01:36 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Rave Review of a hidden gem!
Hiya guys,
I haven't been on here much of late, mainly because it's been darn
hectic, even chaotic at times, especially due to the release of my
first new solo album in 20 years "Love Is Eggshaped" - Rev-Ola), as
well as preparations for my move up north - from Georgia to (East)
Virginia shortly.
Reason for my post on the fly is to BEG all of you Pop Rock/harmony
fans to check out the new "Muenchener Freiheit" CD "Geile Zeit."
I know, I know... weird band name (no doubt the reason for their
otherwise unexplainable lack of international success during the last
decades).
Some of you might remember MF's only English-lyric hit, "Keeping The
Dream Alive" from their Abbey Road-mixed "Fantasy" album some years
ago, also part of a soundtrack of a then popular Teen flick (the title
escapes me, Mark Frumento no doubt remembers it).
Anyway, I have been virtually drugged by MF's new album, having been
listening to it now for over 2 months and still not getting tired of
it, rather in awe of yet new discoveries every time I hear it, from
musicianship to material to arrangements to production to sound
engineering. It's a feast!
To say that the stuff equals Beatles standard would seem like an
overstatement -- it isn't-!!
While it is a shame that this German band sings in their native tongue,
I have never heard -- what to my ears has always been the worst
possible language for pop/rock -- rendered so palatably and easy on
the ears. And if the words can't be understood, not to worry -- some
of them are pretty cool, but many of them are really the album's only
shortcoming by sophomorically trying to appeal to the "Teen Market,"
alas, sounding moronically contrived. But what do you care, you can't
understand any of it anyway, and instead just get a kick out of the
vocals' superb, idiosyncratic, musical phrasings.
Do yourself a favor and treat yourself to the rush! Get the album
(available via Amazon DE) -- you'll be glad you did!
Warm best,
Mark Wirtz
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:45:52 -0000
From: Lobby
Subject: Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
Artie Wayne wrote:
> How ya'll doin'? Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string
> intro on the Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he
> played lead on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks
> producer Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth?
There was a bumper CD released in the UK that features all of Jim
P's session work - and it does include "You really.." and "I can't
Explain". Can't remember the details of CD at the moment!
Lobby
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:39:55 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Jeff Barry
Sifting through a pile of 45's yesterday I came across Jeff Barry's
"Welcome Home." I paid the .50 for it and brought it down to my booth.
I recognized the melody instantly but couldn't place the artist I'd
heard sing it. Anyone?
And Jeff Barry himself is significant to Spectropop as a writer,
right? Some of this stuff goes back so far that a young fella like me
has trouble remembering some of it. If I ever knew it.
JB
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:44:45 -0000
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Chubby Checker @ musica
Hi all. . . I just posted "At The Discotheque by Chubby Checker on
Musica since someone here talked about it. I was a DJ at the time of
release so have a promo 45 (Parkway P-949-B). Oddly enough this is
the B side of the record. . . for those who don't know what that
meens, it was the other side that they were pushing to be a HIT. The
A side is Let's Do The Freddie but in my local town of Santa Rosa
Discotheque was the one we pushed. If there is interest I will post
the A side as well.
Matt Spero
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:38 -0000
From: Lobby
Subject: Yardbirds today
Einar Einarsson Kvaran wrote:
> The Le Beat Bespoke weekender sounds great, but who is the Yardbirds
> these days? Keith Relf died [I think] so . . .Eric Clapton? Jeff
> Beck?? Jimmy Page??? I am curious.
Google the Yardbirds and hit the new site. The surviving members are
Chris Dreja and McCarty, they are excellent live - very powerful sound.
Mr Relf has indeed left this mortal coil - I think Eric + Jeff + Jim
have something else on.
Lobby
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:26:18 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Love Is Strange versions
Country Paul wrote:
> http://www.aspma.com/probe
> Anyone else discover this yet? Lots of cool stuff, including music
> discussed here.
Thanks for the plug, Paul. I hope to be adding to my Probe site on a
regular basis.
In fact, I'm hoping one of y'all can help me ID the M/F duo singing the
version of "Love Is Strange" I posted there a few days ago. In the
dialogue break the singers seem to call each other "Dinah" and "Preshy,"
but that can't really be it, can it?
While I'm at it, this seems a good time to solicit more "Love Is
Strange" versions, toward a collection full of 'em. Please contact me
offlist if interested in contributing.
--Phil M.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:58:01 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Mirwood Soul
New @ S'pop Recommends
The Mirwood Soul Story
Reviewed by Simon White
An excerpt:
... Next time you have to explain Northern Soul to someone,
how about you play them the Four Tops' "It's The Same Old
Song" and then play them the Olympics' Mirwood recording "The
Same Old Thing"? The similarities between them are remarkable,
but the differences are what make Northern Soul what it is.
And while Motown is the cornerstone of the Northern sound,
arguably there's no Northern Soul without Mirwood. My real
introduction to Northern Soul was Mirwood, and it remains my
favourite label to this day. And here for the first time
Mirwood really gets the reissue it deserves ...
Full review:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#mirwood
Enjoy,
The S'pop Team
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:33:18 EST
From: Mr Rashkow
Subject: Re: K & K; Attack
Matthew David wrote:
> The Rare Breed 45 was released sometime in later half of
> 1966. Doesn't really sound like The Tradewinds, more like
> a garage band, but guess it could've been studio cats. I think
> the E. Chiprut on the label is Elliot Chiprut, writer of "Simon
> Says".
Elliot is probably right. I can't remember my wife's name.
If '66 it was done, then probably it was done (or worked on) at Bell Sound.
> Would certainly be interested in hearing more about your
> association with Kasenetz & Katz.
My association with them was limited. Very street smart-type guys, from
Brooklyn I think. I remember them calling their broker and dropping
stock tips in the control room. I remember one of them saying, "the only
thing we know about making records is when to say no". I thought that
was cool. They were much more promoters/managers/marketers then
they were businessmen. I think either one or both came from some money --
they opened offices and were doing business pretty young, and that was
before they had anything out. That's all I remember, and all I want to
remember.
> Attack Records was distributed by Premier Albums with a
> 1650 Broadway address. Always assumed K&K were behind
> the label, which had very few releases -- two by Rare Breed
> and two by The Music Explosion ...
Attack was a subsidiary of Calla. They released at least one other record,
"Washington Square" b/w "Please Phil Spector". I'm not sure if it came out
in the States. Can't remember the name of the artist -- whoever it was, it
was awful. I knew the writer of the B-side -- a bigger jerk never lived.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:26:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Pingel
Subject: Re: Cameo Parkway Story
Hans Huss wrote:
> I must confess I find the inclusion of the British tracks a bit odd.
> I understand they are there for historical reasons, but musically
> (and geographically) they appear out-of-place.
My vote for inclusion would be "She Loves You" by The Haircuts (great
cover) and "Boy With The Beatle Hair" by The Swans.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:16:47 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Sugar And Spice" remembrances
Roy Clough wrote:
> No one over here has heard of The Cryan Shames except
> the English Cryin' Shames, who were a one-hit wonder with
> a Joe Meek-produced number called "Please Stay".
Bill Mulvy wrote:
> The Cryan Shames were a Chicago-area group (USA) and
> received mostly regional airplay.
Bill and Roy, I can most certainly understand both of your positions. The
Searchers' version was actually a bigger hit here in the US nationally, too.
The Searchers' version was originally released on Liberty 55646 around
January 1, 1964 here, and despite Beatlemania's entrance quickly
thereafter, it failed to chart. After Beatlemania, The Searchers were signed
to Kapp and had several hits in spring of 64, including a rereleased "Sugar
And Spice" on Liberty 55689. They had a mini Searchers-mania going with
Liberty and Mercury (live at Star Club 45) releasing old 45s to battle current
Kapp releases.
"Sugar & Spice" very well could have charted higher than its #44 peak in
Billboard, but just as "Sugar And Spice" had cut short the charting of Kapp's
"Ain't That Just Like Me", Kapp's new release, "Don't Throw Your Love Away",
cut "Sugar And Spice"'s sales short as it passed it in the charts the week
"Sugar And Spice" peaked.
The Cryan Shames' version came about due to the Shames going to a gig
of another local group, The Riddles, and seeing the kids go nuts over their
rendition of "Sugar And Spice". (The Riddles obviously liked The Searchers,
as their lone 45 was "Sweets For My Sweet" in 1966.) Anyway, the Shames'
45 reached #4 on WLS Chicago, #49 in Billboard (#52 in Cashbox and #39
in Record World). Less than a year later, a Milwaukee group (Gary Myers can
correct this if I'm wrong), The Grasshoppers, did a nice version too.
The UK group CryIn' Shames did not care for the Chicago group releasing
records under the nearly same name, so the next single and those after by
The Cryan Shames would be released on UK CBS as by "The Shames".
Maybe some people have heard of "The Shames" in England?
In the 80's, the huge Tom Hanks movie "Forrest Gump" used The Searchers
version of "Sugar And Spice". I gotta say I LOVE the Cryan Shames version
and like it better than The Searchers version, yet I still maintain that my
favorite CD in my collection is still the '80s Rhino CD "The Searchers Greatest
Hits". Go figure! Hey, it's all in the (S'pop) family!
Take care,
Clark
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:07:25 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Clifford Curry
Skip Woolwine wrote:
> If you have XM Satellite Radio, be sure to listen this Wednesday 3/16
> to Channel 60, XM's classic soul station "Soul Street" from 4-6pm
> Central Time. Soul Street Program Director and afternoon drive
> personality Bobby Bennett is planning an afternoon of Beach Music,
> and has arranged for Grammy Award winner / Beach Music Hall of
> Fame member Clifford Curry to do a live call-in interview around 5pm
> Central.
I am not able to pick up that show, but am curious about Curry's career. "She
Shot A Hole In My Soul" is one of the biggest of Beach Music hits, yet I've
never heard of any other Clifford Curry releases, on the B.M. scene (if you'll
pardon the abbreviation) or elsewhere. Could that possibly be his only
good record?
--Phil M.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:00:26 -0000
From: Keith E Murphy
Subject: Steve Fromm
I saw where Steve Fromm posted here a while ago. I am wondering if he
is the same Steve Fromm that played in Detoit at the Roostertail. We had
the same manager, Ray Skop, when I played in Keith Murphy & The Daze.
If Steve is out there, or if someone else knows him, please write me offlist.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:13:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Susan Cowsill solo
Neil Hever wrote:
> Popsters, I did a general search but did not find any previous
> messages on Susan Cowsill. Do you folks know that she has
> an excellent CD called "Just Believe it" available? It is really an
> excellent pop/AAA recording. ...
John Benda wrote:
> "Just Believe It" was high on my Best Of list for 2004. I can't
> recommend this disc highly enough for Spectropoppers
Neil ... John. .. How ya'doin'? As I said here a few months ago, my old
friend Susan Cowsill has one of my favorite albums out there! I'm really
surprised that a major label hasn't picked it up yet.
Regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:56:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: myths of the Page sort
How ya'll doin'? If I may elaborate on the Jimmy Page myth ...
I became friendly with Jimmy Page when he was a session musician in
London in 1964. He was collaborating with Jackie DeShannon at the time,
who introduced us. During one of the times we were hanging out, he told
me he played on "Hard Days Night" and "You Really Got Me". I didn't think
much of it at the time, since it was a common practice to bring in studio
musicians to "enhance" a track. Since there were no credits given to players
on albums, I had no reason not to believe him.
Years later, at a party, I asked my friend Shel Talmy, who produced The
Kinks, if Jimmy had played on "You Really Got Me". He got angry, and said,
"I'm tired of hearing that rumour. I used Jimmy on sessions before, but he
DID NOT PLAY ON THAT SONG!" I quickly changed the subject, and never
brought it up again.
As far as Jimmy playing the intro on "Hard Days Night", it seemed possible,
since the guitar figure was so intricate. In retrospect, I can see that I didn't
give George Harrison enough credit for coming up with the riff himself.
I haven't been in touch with Jimmy in 30 years. Why did he say those things?
Who knows? In the music business we didn't call it lying, we called it
"bullshitting".
Regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:37:53 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Cameo Parkway Story
Matt Spero wrote:
> For years the only Chubbby Checker and Bobby Rydell stuff
> available have been re-recordings.
Obviously, the "people" at Abkco don't know anything (or care) about Midwest
rock, or they would know that the non-Billboard charting Fabulous Flippers'
version of "Harlem Shuffle" was the holy grail of Midwest horn rock -- even
garage rockers of the Midwest praised the record. Looks to me like they were
looking for hits of Billboard and not songs that influenced Midwest rock in
the '60s.
Clark
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: myths of the Page sort
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string intro
> on The Beatles' "Hard Days Night". Does anyone know if this
> is just myth?
My GUESS is that Page played guitar on the same Beatle sessions that
Bernard "Pretty" Purdie played drums on.
Einar
P.S. Since you heard it from the source, it seems that a word a little
stronger than "myth" can be applied.
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:42:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Rare Breed's "Beg Borrow And Steal"
Matthew David wrote:
> The version used for the Bubblegum Classics CD was
> the stereo Cameo LP version. So the mono mixes on
> both 45's are the same, while the stereo mix on the
> Ohio Express album has a new overdubbed rhythm
> section.
Thanks! Exactly what I needed to know. For once, then, I'd rather be
spinning the LP rather than the 45.
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:15:16 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: "Come On Down To My Boat"
Matthew David wrote:
> ... I think the E. Chiprut on the label is Elliot Chiprut, writer
> of "Simon Says".
E. Chiprut is definitely Elliot Chiprut.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:51:17 -0500
From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com
Subject: Re: WTAG / WORC
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> ... WORC, on the other hand, did what I'm sure a lot of our
> members experienced in different parts of the country -- they
> gave nearly everyone who released a record a shot on the
> air, especially local and regional acts.
Dave,
When I served in the Marine Corp. I became best friends with a guy from
Worcester. After we got out he used to call and tell me that my single "Mary
And Me" was doing great in the area because of WORC,so I came up and
did an interview and some spots for the station.Throughout the part of my
career when I was a recording artist, WORC always helped my records in
that area, so I'm grateful to them and you, I'm sure, from 1969 on. I think
you started there about a year after "Mary And Me," but many thanks for
the help afterward.
Austin Roberts
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