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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Reparata & Delrons picture
From: Brent Cash
2. Re: Motown in the UK
From: Frank Murphy
3. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Dave O'Gara
4. Re: Dobie Gray's "Rose Garden"?
From: Dave O'Gara
5. Re: Beach Boys: Lost & Found
From: Paul Urbahns
6. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Bill Mulvy
7. Re: The Romans; Premier artists
From: Fred Clemens
8. Re: "Jenny Lee"
From: Fred Clemens
9. Honey Ltd. article
From: Jonathan Ward
10. Re: At The Disco-heh?
From: Hans Huss
11. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Leslie Fradkin
12. Re: "A Hard Day's Night" mystery chord now playing at musica
From: Joe Nelson
13. Re: Delrons photo
From: Tony Waitekus
14. Re: Monterey musicians
From: Rex Patton
15. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Eddy Smit
16. Re: Love & Light from Claire Francis
From: Phil X Milstein
17. Heavy Bubblegum
From: Dave Monroe
18. Re: Mamas and Papas on PBS
From: Phil X Milstein
19. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Phil X Milstein
20. Re: Three Bells / Satin Bells
From: Dave Monroe
21. Re: Keren Ann
From: Dave Monroe
22. remake of "Mr. Blue" (by The Fleetwoods)
From: Boomer
23. Re: Chubby Checker - Northern Soul
From: Ken Silverwood
24. Re: Crabby Appleton
From: Bill Craig
25. the Mamas and Papas on PBS and Monterey Pop
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:57:35 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Reparata & Delrons picture
Hi everyone. Dave Monroe mentioned the fine Reparata & The Delrons
feature from Cha Cha Charming:
http://www.chachacharming.com/article.php?id=9
I was wondering if, in the second picture (set in London), the person listed
as Steve Jerome could actually be Kenny Young. I haven't seen any pictures
of Bill or Steve Jerome before -- perhaps our man Austin Roberts can confirm,
as I believe he worked with the Real Good Production team in the late '60's.
Enquiring best wishes,
Brent Cash
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:26:56 -0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Motown in the UK
Richard Williams wrote:
> Many thanks to all who replied, on and off list, to my request
> for information on the Motown tour of the UK in 1965, which
> began 40 years ago on Sunday with two shows at the Astoria,
> Finsbury Park -- which was later known as the Rainbow, and is
> now the headquarters of a religious sect. I still haven't sorted
> out the personnel of the Earl Van Dyke Sextet (apart from Jack
> Ashford), but retain hopes of unearthing further facts.
I don't know if you saw this but bankhousedave on soulfuldetroit.com
dug it out for me:
"Jack Ashford lists them in his book: himself, Robert White, Tony Newton
(bass), Eli Fountain (alto), Bobby Cousar (trombone). There is some doubt
about who played drums. We all thought it was Uriel, but he says he only
went on the earlier Kim Weston tour. I've asked Tony if he remembers.
Will pass on his answer. Judging from the pictures I've seen, I'd say it was
the same guy that played with The Supremes at the Copa (on cover shot),
if that gives anyone any clues. Also I'm hoping the exhibition of photographs
from the tour to be shown in London this spring will provide further
illumination."
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:10:33 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Boomer asked:
> Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby
> Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I
> thought was pretty good?
For what it's worth, I thought "Go Back" was one of the best things to hit
the airwaves back in the summer of '70. Rather than call it a flop, I think it
was more underrated, as it at least made the Top 40 (#36), a much better
fate than many of us had hopes for with much of the material discussed
here. For more info on the band try:
http://www.richieunterberger.com/rotten.html
Dave O'
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:34 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Re: Dobie Gray's "Rose Garden"?
Clark Besch wrote:
> In case you wondered, after the 24 Turtles 45s, next in line for most
> WW releases were Nino Tempo & April Stevens (6), the Clique (6),
> and Rene & Rene (5). It was also interesting to see releases on the
> label by Dobie Gray (3) ...
Clark, do you happen to know if one of those Dobie Gray releases on White
Whale was an early version of "Rose Garden," eventually made popular by
Lynn Anderson? I don't have the 45, but in my mind's eye I seem to recall
seeing possibly a promo copy at our radio studio in, say, late '69 or early
'70. I don't ever remember playing it, so I can't comment on Dobie's version,
although any review on the recording would be nice if anyone remembers it.
Thanks,
Dave O'
P.S. Here's a big "GET WELL SOON" message for Claire Francis. Our
thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:48:55 +0000
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: Beach Boys: Lost & Found
Phil X. Milstein wrote:
> I was listening to my well-played and much-loved copy of "The
> Beach Boys: Lost & Found, 1961-1962" (DCC, 1991) tonight, when
> I noticed the credit line "Concept: Paul Urbahns" in the booklet. Just
> wanted to bring this very exciting credit to the group's attention, and
> to coincidentally ask Paul for some thoughts on his experiences
> with helping put together this collection.
Thanks for mentioning one of my pet projects and only one of two CDs that
I programmed for a label. (The other was a 101 Strings release, of which I
didn't even get a free copy.)
My liner notes in the booklet tell the whole story, but basically I was
impressed with Steve Hoffman's work, and wrote to ask him to make
a serious reissue of the Hite Morgan sessions. He said nobody knew
where the tapes were, so I located them and once he had them I sent him
a list of questions that had surfaced over the years about the sessions,
and asked him to listen for studio chatter proving or disproving various
points. The chatter tracks are very important BB history. It was put on
separate tracks because I don't like studio chatter or outtakes on the same
track as the song, like EMI did it, and prefer the songs in the clear. Finally,
since there was no picture of the BBs available from that early period,
Steve originally proposed a white cover like the Beatles' White album. I
suggested instead the still life using surf boards, records and master
tapes. They did a wonderful job.
So when it came to the booklet, since I suggested the project, found the
tapes, suggested the accepted cover, wrote some of the liner notes,
helped to select contents and even suggested the studio chatter be
included to tell the BB story and make it seem like you were listening at
the sessions, Steve didn't know how to credit my involvement. So he said
we'll just credit you with concept. Works for me.
Sundazed reissued the songs and chatter on an LP but changed the order
of the songs to cut down on repeats. I didn't know anything about it until
they called to ask to use excerpts from my liners. If it had been me I would
have put all the master takes on one side of the LP and the alternate cuts
on the other side. But the DCC release was done like an audio history
book. And there were several very nice reviews printed in Billboard and
other magazines about it.
Thanks for asking and remembering.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:06 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Boomer asked:
> Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby
> Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I
> thought was pretty good?
They had two albums, "Crabby Appleton" and "Rotten To The Core". Both
are out on CD on the Collector's Choice label. They are pretty good from
a performance standpoint.
The best quality of the song "Go Back" can be found on the "Rock N Roll
Roots, Vol. 2" CD Bob Stroud put out about eight years ago through Best
Buy in the Chicago area. It sounds considerably better than the Collector's
Choice version.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:07:16 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: The Romans; Premier artists
Country Paul wrote:
> This, and its flip side, "Real (This is Real)," a nice doo-wop
> ballad, are on a 45 on Cindy credited to Frankie Valli & The
> Romans. I prefer "Real" personally.
For the record, on Cindy 1012 "Come Si Bella" is credited to The Romans,
while "Real (This Is Real)" goes to Frankie Valle & The Romans.
Mikey wrote:
> Those Premier and Coronet LPs were a great place to get the
> artists' previous recordings for the small labels. Some that come
> to mind: ... The 4 Seasons "Coma Si Bella" ...
A few of artist names on those LPs were made up. On an LP featuring
Johnny Rivers (Premier 9037), The Tremonts are credited for "Respectable",
"Cocoanut Milk", "Santa Margherita" and "Clementine". I'm not certain who's
really doing "Cocoanut Milk", but "Respectable" belongs to Jimmy Soul &
The Chants (on 20th Century Fox), from 1963. The latter two, as "Teen-Age
Clementine" and "Santa Margherita", belong to The Belmonts (on Mohawk)
from 1957. This was before they connected up with Dion.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:17:28 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: "Jenny Lee"
Country Paul wrote:
> I've played to musica a very fine country/rockabilly version of Jan
> & Arnie's first hit, "Jennie Lee," by prolific pianist Moon Mullican.
> Yes, I know it's sonically at the edges of Spectropop, but admit
> it -- after 47 years of not knowing, isn't it nice to be able to actually
> understand the lyrics? (Not that they're so profound, but it *is*
> interesting!)
Another way to hear (and understand) the lyrics to "Jennie Lee" would be
to listen to the cover version by Billy Ward & The Dominoes, from April of
1958 on Liberty Records -- Jan & Dean's future home.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:10:07 -0000
From: Jonathan Ward
Subject: Honey Ltd. article
Hi, folks. I've been a lurker here forever, and thought I'd drop a line with
something that I think some folks here might enjoy. I recently finished a
lengthy piece on the Honey Ltd., the Lee Hazlewood-produced girl band
whose one LP is insanely rare -- and good. If you'd like to check it out,
it's posted in the new edition of Perfect Sound Forever:
http://www.perfectsoundforever.com
Thanks, and thanks for making my musical life much more interesting!
Jonathan
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:03:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: At The Disco-heh?
Norm D. wrote of Chubby Checker's ...
> pronunciation of discotheque, as "disco-tay", rather than "disco-tek".
... Other musical examples to prove / disprove?
Another (great) example is "Discotheque" by Big Dee Erwin [Irwin] (Roulette
4569). Like Chubby’s "At The Discotheque", it was released in 1965, and
the words go something like this:
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Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay yay)
Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay-yay)
Now do you remember in times before?
They had the big bands playing on a big dance floor.
But now today we’re doing it in a little different way
We’ve got a new thing going called the disco-tay...
Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay-yay)
-----
Hasse Huss
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:08:15 -0700
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Boomer asked:
> Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby
> Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I
> thought was pretty good?
Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael Fennelly
in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium with Curt Boettcher
at CBS back in 1968.
Les
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:11:00 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: "A Hard Day's Night" mystery chord now playing at musica
Scott Swanson:
> A Canadian mathematics professor recently did a computer
> analysis of the chord and concluded that something else *besides*
> Harrison's 12-string contributed to that sound. He says the sound
> was produced by a combination of:
> Harrison on 12-string (a2/a3/d3/d4/g3/g4/c4/c4)
> McCartney on bass (d3)
> Lennon on 6-string (c5)
> George Martin on piano (d3/f3/d5/g5/e6)
> story: http://beatles.ncf.ca/professor_jason_brown_p1.html
For what it's worth, I tried overdubbing these as piano parts into CoolEdit,
and have played the result to musica. Since I don't own a Rick I didn't bother
to drag out guitars for the guitar parts, so obviously any nuances that were
a matter of guitar harmonics aren't there. I will say that the 12-string part
did sound a lot closer to the real thing than I expected. Let the list decide.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:27:23 -0600
From: Tony Waitekus
Subject: Re: Delrons photo
>From the department of accuracy:
I e-mailed the article on Reparata & The Delrons from Cha Cha Charming
to Bill Jerome, who really enjoyed it. But he noted that the picture in the
article that was captioned as the Delrons with Steve Jerome is actually
them with writer Kenny Young, who wrote "Under the Boardwalk" Bill says,
"Kenny is a skinny guy. My brother Steve weighed over 400 pounds."
Tony Waitekus
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:08:10 -0500
From: Rex Patton
Subject: Re: Monterey musicians
Bob Kacerow asked:
> Does anyone know who the drummer and lead guitarist were
> during the Mamas & Papas segment from the Monterey Pop
> Festival?
According to the booklet that came with the Monterey Pop Festival box set,
the guitarist was Eric Hord. The drummer is listed there as Eddie Hall, but
that's either a mistake. It was actually Fast Eddie Hoh, a marvelous drummer
who also played on some of The Monkees' greatest songs ( "Pleasant
Valley Sunday," and the rest of the "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn And Jones
Ltd." album, plus his crowning achievement with them, his incendiary
performance on "Goin' Down"), as well as the "Supersession" album, among
others.
If you watch the Monterey Pop movie you will also see Hal Blaine, who was
there playing with The Group With No Name, who is sitting on the drum
riser and who then gets behind a second kit to play on Scott McKenzie's
guest star rendition of "San Francisco," which is godawful, as is the whole
Mamas & Papas set. The singers hadn't sung together in months (Denny
showed up for the gig 10 minutes before they went on), John's 12-string
guitar is grossly out of tune (and an out of tune 12-string sounds literally
twice as bad as an out of tune 6-string), and the band is totally under-
rehearsed. Which is a real shame, as it was an all-star group of the
aforementioned musicians plus Larry Knechtel on keyboards and Joe
Osborn on bass (who has the worst time of it -- he's one of my all-time
favorite bass players, but he had a rough day). That performance is a
blight on the Mamas & Papas legacy, and I'm shocked that they allowed it
to go out on record and on the DVD that came out a couple of years ago.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:23:01 +0100
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Leslie Fradkin wrote:
> Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael
> Fennelly in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium
> with Curt Boettcher at CBS back in 1968.
Michael Fennelly also made two solo LPs. The first one, "Lane Changer,"
is especially interesting, with its Zombies link and a guest shot by Jeff Beck.
Eddy
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:28:02 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Love & Light from Claire Francis
Claire Francis wrote:
> Just to let you know why I haven't been writing to the group....I have
> been busy taking care of some personal medical needs so I haven't been
> able to read all the messages like I usually love to do. Please keep
> me in your prayers for my up and coming Breast Cancer Surgey April 7th.
> I will be in surgery for 6-7 hours. I hope all you groovy S'pop people
> will take a moment to visualize me as coming out of the surgery alive
> and well. I will ask my family to write a post to let you know how I
> did.
Dear Claire,
I am not a pray-er, but I promise you I will be sending you every ounce
of psychic energy I can muster in every other form I know of. Take good
care, get well soon, and promise to return to Spectropop when you're ready!
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:32:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Heavy Bubblegum
Clark Besch:
> If that wasn't enough, a heavy metal guy was asking about Ram
> Jam's 77 hit, "Black Betty" and when i pulled it, it was produced
> by KASENETZ-KATZ!!!
Joe Nelson wrote:
> One of the guys was in the Lemon Pipers: between the two something
> critics of "too sweet bubblegum music" might consider.
This, by the way, is precisely the kind of stuff I've been digging
for these days, heavy bubblegum (e.g., The Ohio Express' "Try It"),
bubblegum breakbeats (e.g., Tommy Roe's "Sweet Pea"), bubblegum
psych, what have you. Bublegum deep cuts. But Chapmann/Chinn
also come to mind as purveyors of this sound here. Thanks!
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:06:46 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Mamas and Papas on PBS
Bill Mulvy wrote:
> They don't play all of the material so it gives you an incentive to
> pledge to get the entire show in your "thank you" gift of the DVD.
I always thought the incentive was to get to see the music programming
without all the dangblasted commercial interruptions.
--Phil M.
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lotsa new posts:
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:07:29 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Boomer wrote:
> Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby
> Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I
> thought was pretty good?
We should all have flops as successful as that!
Go back,
--Phil M.
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:04:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Three Bells / Satin Bells
Julio Niño wrote:
> I´m familliar with the Cem single by Ellas that contains "LLovió"
> (it rained), a very nice song by the way, much better in my
> opinion than the other side, "Sola en La Ciudad" (alone in the
> city). They looked extremely sexy. One member of the group was
> Laura, a singer that some years before recorded a wonderful
> version of "Tu Loca Juventud" (your crazy youth), a yeyé song
> that I like very much.
>
> In respect to the Satin Bells, are you sure they were Spanish?
> Couldn´t they be the British group of the same name?
Oh, yeah, "Llovio" has it all over its flipside. Absolutely sparkling.
And I BOUGHT it for the sleeve. But every time I bring up The Satin
Bells, I'm asked the same question, and all I can say is, it's on
Accion, and the other side, "Toros en Mexico," is entirely in Spanish
(although, despite the crunchy, pecussive riff under its verses,
sounds not unlike The Ladybirds around the choruses). But on The
Satin Bells UK, I've now stumbled on these:
http://www.spectropop.com/gg/threebells.html
http://music.msn.com/artist/default.aspx?artist=743467
Here I believe is the copy I ended up with, even:
http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4006351255
Could well be them, I do remember "The Ghost Goes Gear" as well,
though it's been a while. Still, I can't find the connection made
explicit, not at least regarding this particular record. But I believe
you're right. Thanks.
Dave M.
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:54:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Keren Ann
Aughh! I couldn't have gone, but I should have known:
From:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/listings/static/treatment.html#KEREN
Tonight (Sunday, March 20th, 2005) in Chicago:
KEREN ANN Most contemporary French pop makes frothiness a virtue
--the songs might tackle sad themes, but they rarely sound sad.
Keren Ann's songwriting is different: there's a delicious
melancholy to her music that's clear even on her first two albums,
where she sang in French. Not every song on her first disc in
English, last year's Not Going Anywhere, was sad, but the
acoustic production and her whispery but flexible voice gave it a
coherent feel. Not Going Anywhere had a dialed-down tone, so her
subtle melodies sneaked past me at first. But after three or four
listens to her new album, Nolita (Metro Blue/Blue Note), recorded
last year in Paris and New York, the tunes insinuated themselves
deep in my memory and drove me back to her previous albums, which
struck me as equally brilliant. "Chelsea Burns," with quietly
strummed guitar and slashing violins that recall the gentlest
tunes Lou Reed wrote for the Velvet Underground, in time reveals
a smoldering intensity. And "Roses and Hips," like many of her
songs, sounds like a lost gem from the flower power 60s. For this,
her Chicago debut, she performs solo.
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:54:41 -0000
From: Boomer
Subject: remake of "Mr. Blue" (by The Fleetwoods)
I would LOVE to see one of the "still-together" rock bands of the
late-60s and early-70s do a remake and update of one of my favorite
songs---"Mr. Blue" by The Fleetwoods...my band ("Central Park West")
which had the hit called "Sweets For My Sweet" back in 1969 is no
longer together.....any takers??
Stew
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:17:51 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Chubby Checker - Northern Soul
Austin Powell:
> I seem to remember Northern Soul fans in my neck of the woods
> also playing "Cum Ma La Be Stay", B side of "Everything's Wrong".
Ahhh! That would be "ev'rybody form a circle, now some 'soft git'
jumps inside". Am I right?
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:37:04 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton
Leslie Fradkin wrote:
> Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael
> Fennelly in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium
> with Curt Boettcher at CBS back in 1968.
Eddy Smit:
> Michael Fennelly also made two solo LPs. The first one, "Lane
> Changer," is especially interesting, with its Zombies link and
> a guest shot by Jeff Beck.
Back in the early '70's my former manager, a guy named Dave Paton
managed or booked Michael Fennelly. I think he said he got him a
gig or two opening for Led Zeppelin, although I don't remember
what the venues were or if it was for a whole tour.
Bill Craig
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:03:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: the Mamas and Papas on PBS and Monterey Pop
How ya'll doin'? I saw the PBS special on the Mamas and Papas.
I forgot how out of tune the group usually was. After a while
I couldn't stand it and had to turn it off!
I do have more respect for Lou Adler, who produced such great
records before "Pro-Tools".
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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