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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "Will You Love Me Tomorrow"
From: Gary Myers
2. Re: Everlasting remakes
From: Various
3. Re: Charlie Purpura
From: MopTop Mike
4. Re: where's Kooper?
From: Austin Roberts
5. Re: Honey Ltd.
From: Jonathan Ward
6. Re: "Jennie Lee"
From: Chris Brame
7. Re: Will You Love Me Tomorrow
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
8. stop your feet and clamp your hands
From: Phil X Milstein
9. Re: Shames
From: Kingsley Abbott
10. Re: "Rose Garden"
From: ModGirl
11. Front Porch/Charlie Purpura update
From: Country Paul
12. Re: "Will You Love Me Tomorrow"
From: Anthony Parsons
13. Re: Everlasting Remakes
From: Irving Snodgrass
14. Lee Mallory, R.I.P.
From: Joey Stec
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:32:02 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Will You Love Me Tomorrow"
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> I'm one of those who was not aware that Roberta even recorded
> "Will You Love Me Tomorrow".
Up to #76 in early '72 -- very nice version, as one would expect from her.
> I've been scouting for the 4 Seasons' 1968 version ...
I like that one, too -- very interesting arrangement.
It was also done very nicely on an LP by the 4 Freshmen around that time
-- soft, smooth, bossa nova-ish.
gem
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:51:54 -0800
From: Various
Subject: Re: Everlasting remakes
Annnnnd, let's let this be that about this ...
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Bob Rashkow asked:
> How many different remakes of Robert Knight's magnificent
> "Everlasting Love" have charted nationally since 1967?
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Gary Myers:
Carl Carlton #6 '74
Rex Smith & Rachel Sweet #32 '81
Gloria Estefan #? ?
R&B chart only:
Rufus & Chaka Kahn #17 '77
Glenn Jones #85 '86
C&W:
Hank Locklin(!) #57 '68
Narvel Felts #14 '79
Louise Mandrell #69 '79
Along with Knight's, I like the first two (listed) a lot. Don't know the others
well enough to comment. The worst version I ever heard is by U2.
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Jim Cassidy:
With her wonderful remakes of "Stay Awhile" and "B-A-B-Y," Rachel Sweet
has to get the nod from Spectropoppers as the preferred interpreter for
her Top 40 hit rendition of "Everlasting Love" from 1981 ... even if it's a
duet with Rex Smith.
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Tony Leong:
I think I know three versions of the song: Robert Knight's, Carl Carlton's
(the first I can remember, having being born at the end of the '60s), and
the recent one by Gloria Estefan.
My Mom has the original Robert Knight single from the '60s, which is my
favorite version. What sets it apart from that disco Carl Carlton version is
the constant drum beat (kind of like a march), and the overall music
background is much more subdued (and the tempo a bit slower). Carl's
version is too brassy, and, well, disco-ey, and he stretches out and adds
some notes to the harmony, unlike Robert's. Plus, Robert had that wonderful
female chorus chanting behind him, "... Need a love to last forever..." Anyone
know who those ladies were? Great song anyway -- well, at least Robert's
version!
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Phil X. Milstein:
Not yet a hit, but Vanessa Williams, in an appearance on this morning's
Stern show, was promoting the release of her new album of remakes of
'70s pop-soul hits, with "Everlasting Love" as the title song. She played
a bit of the single (or whatever passes for singles in the current record
market), "Never Can Say Goodbye," and, well, I've heard worse.
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Andrew C. Jones:
The only three versions of "Everlasting Love" that I know made the Top 40
were those by Robert Knight, Carl Carlton and a duet by Rex Smith and
Rachel Sweet. There was also a different "Everlasting Love," by Howard
Jones (no relation), which had a somewhat similar sound but wasn't the
same song (it was a Jones original, I think). There's also been at least
one country version, by Narvel Felts, who made a career of re-making '60s
pop hits for country audiences in the late '70s.
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Frank Murphy:
I've just checked the Guiness book of UK Hit Singles to confirm that The
Love Affair (actually lead singer Steve Ellis and the Keith Mansfield session
crew) had a UK #1 with "Everlasting Love." They did, in 1968. But I was
surprised to find a bunch of covers.
* Rex Smith and Rachel Sweet reached #35 in 1981.
* German singer Sandra had her only UK "hit" with it, reaching #45 in 1988.
* Worlds Apart had a 12-month chart career with five chart entries, mostly
covers in a gay disco style, and took it to #20.
* Eighteen months later, in 1995, Gloria Estefan reached #19 with her version.
* In 1998 the cast of TV soap "Casualty" reached #5, with all proceeds going
to charity.
* Jamie Cullum released his version from the soundtrack to "Bridget Jones:
The Edge of Reason," and got to #20 late last year.
I'm struggling to recall any of them.
Robert Knight originally lost out in the UK chart race when his 1968 original
version of "Everlasting Love" only achieved a high of #40. It was of course
danced to in the clubs. However the Northern Soul revival meant its reisssue
reached #19, and it still gets played at the oldies venues on the Northern
circuit.
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David Walker:
Which nation, that nation, our nation. Whether national or international the
world of pop exists in every corner of the world. And down here, down under,
we had a fair plethora of "Everlasting Love."
I could name 30 artists who have covered the song around the world,
including Vicky Sue Robinson, and mention that Mac Gayden had it on his
1976 album "Skyboat." But I would be cheating and pretending I knew all
of the list when in fact I paid a visit to Sven Gusevik's The Love Affair website,
which includes an interesting look at a list of cover versions of the song.
Sven has built an interesting gallery of recordings of the song.
But down under, especially in downtown Adelaide, no fewer than nine
versions have hit the airwaves since Robert Knight went to #7 with it in
late 1967.
In 1968 The Love Affair and Australian group The Town Criers took it into
the charts. in 1974 Australian legend Doug Parkinson (born in New Zealand,
as are most Australian legends) reached Top 20 with it.
Who could forget Rex Smith and Rachel Sweet taking it as high as #9 in
1981, U2 at #1 in 1989 just after Sandra crept into the top 30 with It, and
of course, Gloria Estefan going Top 20 in 1995?
I would like to think Patricia Paay's 1977 disco version climbed our charts,
but I think the airplay outdid the actual sales.
I just think it's an everlasting hit.
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Max Weiner:
I'm not sure how many remakes were done, but I do remember Gloria
Estefan's version, as well has Carl Carlton's. Robert Knight's is still the
best.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:27:12 -0000
From: MopTop Mike
Subject: Re: Charlie Purpura
Country Paul wrote:
> It is with great sadness that I report that Charlie Purpura, lead
> singer/songwriter of the Front Porch, passed away on Sunday, March
> 20, 2005.
Charlie was also in a combo called The Living End, which released a 45
in 1967 on the DiVenus label: "Sheep" b/w "You Ain't No Friend Of Mine".
Charlie co-wrote both sides.
MopTopMike
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:07:36 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: where's Kooper?
Jonathan asked:
> And speaking of "missing," where's Kooper?
Al's on hiatus, working on a new project.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:05 -0000
From: Jonathan Ward
Subject: Re: Honey Ltd.
Country Paul wrote:
> It's a fascinating article, and made more interesting by the
> comments of all the group members. ... Do you know if the
> album and subsequent singles are available on CD?
Thanks for the kind words about the article. Unfortunately, there's no legit
CD of their music reissued yet -- I'm trying to use this article for some
leverage to at least get people interested. Hazlewood's got the tapes,
though.
A couple of tracks from the LP made it onto Boyd Rice's "Music For Pussycats"
CD, which is cool, but the band isn't seeing any money from that. Also, an
incredibly scratchy version of "Miss You" by The Mama Cats is on the vinyl
version of "Girls in the Garage Vol. 2", although it was left off the CD version.
Thanks again for taking the time to read it!
Jon
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:20:33 -0000
From: Chris Brame
Subject: Re: "Jennie Lee"
Fred Clemens wrote:
> Another way to hear (and understand) the lyrics to "Jennie Lee"
> would be to listen to the cover version by Billy Ward & The Dominoes,
> from April of 1958 on Liberty Records -- Jan & Dean's future home.
And still another: On Jan & Dean's "Teen Suite" CD there's a demo of "Jennie
Lee," with Jan doing a DJ intro and referring to it as recorded by The Barons
(their high school band).
- Chris
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:13:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Will You Love Me Tomorrow
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> I've been scouting for the 4 Seasons' 1968 version of "Will You
> Love Me Tomorrow".
It's on Rhino's 4 Seasons anthology, along with a fascinating version of
Dylan's "Don't Think Twice," recorded as The Wonder Who.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:23:14 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: stop your feet and clamp your hands
Did the Dave Clark 5 study Advanced Footstomping at the Joe Meek School
of Stairwell Percussionistics?
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:01:38 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: Shames
Clark Besch wrote:
> Maybe some people have heard of "The Shames" in England.
Yes, of course -- their softer stuff (i.e. The Jim Fairs songs) are amongst
my favourite harmony pop moments from the sixties -- very much the sort
of records that we paced the Ripples series on.
Does anyone know of any sixties UK covers of the Shames' own songs?
Kingsley
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:24:50 -0000
From: ModGirl
Subject: Re: "Rose Garden"
Robert R. Radil wrote:
> "Rose Garden" by Dobie Gray was a White Whale single released
> in 1968. It's the same song later a hit for Lynn Anderson. I believe
> it was written by Joe South.
Indeed, it was penned by fellow Georgian Joe South, of "Games People
Play" fame. You should check out his version if you've never heard it before.
I never heard Dobie sing it, but Joe's version is way, waaaaay different
than Lynn's take.
ModGirl
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:38:24 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Front Porch/Charlie Purpura update
I've heard from Marc Scott of the Front Porch, who is of course
devastated at suddenly losing his best friend since they were both
16. Marc said he and Charlie had been planning to revisit some of
their older songs and write some new ones this summer. Charlie
Purpura's wake will be tomorrow (Wednesday) in New York. I don't
have the details, but by the time this posts it will probably be
too late to attend. I sent him our collective best, and will update
you as appropriate.
In the meanwhile, this note, which alerted us of Charlie's passing,
was sent to the Administrator @ Spectropop address. I think it is
worth sharing:
> On Sunday, March 20th, Charlie Purpura passed away of natural
> causes. Charlie was one of my teachers and a close personal
> friend. He and my father had been friends for years, ever
> since Charlie had been in one of my dad's classes, back when
> he came back to school. This afternoon, I was looking for some
> information on Charlie and I came across your website. It was
> great to see the picture of him from back in the day and to be
> able to hear his voice again, saying things I'd never been able
> to hear him say. I know this wasn't your intention, and that the
> article was posted back in '03, but still: I wanted to thank
> you. It was really nice to be able to see the picture and see
> what Charlie'd said. He didn't talk about his music "career" too
> much. Mostly, we shot the shit about the movies, our department,
> and my dad. So once again, thank you for having this page on the
> web. It meant a great deal to me, and to many others seeking
> solace in the wake of Charlie's passing.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jacob Dickerman
Country Paul
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:11 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: "Will You Love Me Tomorrow"
Bob Rashkow:
> I'm one of those who was not aware that Roberta even recorded "Will
> You Love Me Tomorrow", if only because I don't own, nor have heard,
> any of her albums in their entirety. While I'm on the subject I've
> been scouting for the 4 Seasons' 1968 version, which dented Top 30
> in Chicago in March of that year. I don't believe I've ever heard
> that one either!
The 4 Seasons version of Will You Love Me Tomorrow is great. I have
it on their 30th Anniversary CD on Rhino and I believe it's on some
other CD comps as well as well as a superb CD reissue from Ace. I
also still have my original 45 of it, which I bought as a cut-out at
Woolworth's circa 1969. My favorite version of the song is by Lesley
Gore from her All About Love LP. Lesley's superb vocal and the lush,
swirling arrangement by Alan Lorber have made it definitive, at least
in my Gore-infested heart!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:23:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Irving Snodgrass
Subject: Re: Everlasting Remakes
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> OK, gang. Here's my question (no, I don't know the answer; anyone?)
> How many different remakes of Robert Knight's magnificent "Everlasting
> Love" have charted nationally since 1967? Each one sounds to me to be
> less emotional and more totally computerized. I don't know if people
> were actually dancing to this record when Knight's version was
> released, but I'm afraid that folks born after, say, 1970 or so are
> only going to remember it, if at all, as a disco tune. What really
> scares me is that sometimes I think I'm hearing Knight and it turns
> out, after all, to be Carl Carlton's 1974 smash version, which to give
> credit where it's due, isn't too bad. Back then I was somehow able to
> deal with an occasional remake if I thought it was cleverly arranged
> enough; a classic example would be Charlie Kulis (whoever he may be!!)'
> take on Del Shannon's "Runaway", which did OK on the charts in 1975--
> Kulis' version, I mean!
I was the evening dj at WSSB Radio (1490) Durham, NC in the summer of
1967 after graduating from the U of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I
recall my boss Program Director Buck Poe pointing out how Knight's
"Everlasting Love" was hanging around the 100-105 position on the
Billboard charts all Spring and early summer. Buck predicted the tune
would eventually break out nationally and go to the Top Ten. He kept
the record as a "Wax To Watch" and we continued playing it in our
rotation until it finally zoomed up in July I believe.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:04:08 -0500
From: Joey Stec
Subject: Lee Mallory, R.I.P.
As a member of the Millennium I have had the pleasure to work with
Lee Mallory, singer, songwriter, and voice. Lee, along with Curt
Boettcher were the founding members of the Millennium. Together we
recorded, Sagittarus. Curt Boettcher solo... Blue Marble, Sandy
Salisbury... Which makes me so very sad to announce that Mr. Lee
Mallory has passed on March 21, 2005 in San Francisco, California
from complication of liver cancer...R.I.P. Lee Mallory......
Best regards,
Joey Stec
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