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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Shirley Ellis
From: The Cat
2. Re: Tangerines and Oranges are playin' in the band
From: Phil X Milstein
3. Ronettes and other musica; more "Boom"; Rivieras; Crests; RIP Keller & Murray
From: Country Paul
4. Great lost Al Kooper song on 45
From: Dave
5. Re: Shirley Ellis
From: Mick Patrick
6. Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
From: Frank Murphy
7. Jack Keller, Tom Austin and me
From: Claire Francis
8. Re: 'Searching' For Answers
From: Roy Clough
9. Larry Brown
From: Gary Myers
10. Karen Lake; Jasper Wrath
From: Country Paul
11. Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
From: Dave
12. Pussy Cat
From: Bob Rashkow
13. Bad splices: The Supremes
From: Tony Leong
14. Re: Bad Splices - Lesley Gore
From: Anthony Parsons
15. The Searchers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Roy Clough
16. Re: Tom Austin(s)
From: Dave
17. Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
From: Frank Uhle
18. Re: Shirley Ellis
From: James Botticelli
19. Re: Searching for answers
From: Sean Anglum
20. Re: Tom Austin
From: Gary Myers
21. Re: Great lost Al Kooper song on 45 - Bruce Scott
From: Janet Bonica
22. Re: "Please Don't Ever Leave Me"
From: Clark Besch
23. The Plebs
From: Austin Powell
24. The Plebs
From: Austin Powell
25. Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:58:32 -0000
From: The Cat
Subject: Shirley Ellis
My first post and it's a begging one!! I'm trying to get a hold of
"Ever See A Diver Kiss His Wife While The Bubbles Bounce About Above
The Water" by Shirley Ellis. All her CDs are discontinued on Amazon.
Thanks in advance.
The Cat
Darth Vader of the Slide Fader
Radio West Fife
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:46:31 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Tangerines and Oranges are playin' in the band
Country Paul wrote:
> Phil, in the interest of historical accuracy, I believe Ray's label
> was Tangerine.
Sorry, wrong citrus! I seem to have mixed up Ray Charles's label with
David "The Pope Smokes Dope" Peel's.
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:50:49 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Ronettes and other musica; more "Boom"; Rivieras; Crests; RIP Keller & Murray
David A Young re: Ronettes "You Bet I Would" alternate take in musica:
> the version co-penned by Carole King) that appeared as the B-side
> to their spring 1962 single "Silhouettes" on May 114 and hasn't
> seen re-release since.
Ronnie really got the Buddy Holly "hiccup" down on this; I don't know
if it's endearing or annoying.
Also in musica, compliments to the Curt Boettcher version of "That's
The Way It's Gonna Be" - different from, but just about as good as,
the Lee Mallory version. RIP, Lee.
I couldn't get Dobie Gray's "Rose Garden" to play - what's a .wpk
format?
Nick Archer:
> Wasn't "Chick-A-Boom" by Daddy Dewdrop on Sunflower? I don't have
> the album anymore...
#105, in fact.
>From Both Sides Now:
> "Daddy Dewdrop" was actually Dick Monda, a songwriter originally
> from Cleveland, along with some studio musicians calling themselves
> the "Torrance Cookers." The musicians were Bill Perry, Tom Hensley,
> Steve Rillera, and Larry Brown. The single and subsequent album
> were recorded in Torrance, California. Surprisingly, the song
> "Chick-A-Boom," a wry sexual fantasy put to music, jumped into the
> national top-10, the biggest hit the label ever had. The Daddy
> Dewdrop album, which followed the successful single, was a light-
> hearted, if not lightweight, effort that sealed the fate of Daddy
> Dewdrop as a one-hit wonder, never to be heard from again. The
> followup single, "The March of the White Corpuscles"/"Fox Huntin'"
> [Sunflower 111], sank without a trace.
For trivialists, later in the article Dick Monda notes: "The
interesting thing about 'Chick-A-Boom' is that I originally did it
for the TV cartoon show Sabrina and the Groovie Goolies."
Phil X. Milstein:
> My vote for worst splice, apart from the aforementioned, occurs in
> The Supremes' "Love Is Here And Now You're Gone."
Bill Mulvy:
> How about the loud distorted sound of the word plot on "I've Got
> You Babe" by Sonny and Cher?
Talking about "stuff" that found its way into release, the classic
Rivieras' "Count Every Star" (Coed), on the last verse, features a
"Count" sung by the lead singer that distorts at the microphone. The
rest of the performance was so good, however, they issued it, and it
of course became a hit - and the first 45 I ever bought.
And while we're at Coed Records, George Schowerer wrote:
> 16 Candles/Crests was done as a demo session at Regent studios/
> New York....16 Candles was take #13. On the twelve takes prior
> to the 13th, the eight background singers were not balanced
> correctly.
Were the actual Crests part of the eight singers, or was is just
Johnny Maestro and a studio chorus?
RIP Jack Keller and Juggy Murray. I of course knew many of Jack
Keller's songs even if I was unaware he was the author; but I met
Juggy Murray once briefly when I was first at WBRU at Brown, running
through 1650 Broadway begging for records. He was kind enough to send
me back to our ambitious closed-circuit AM station (at the time) with
a bagful of 45s and 33s as well as getting us and keeping us on his
mailing list. We were early on a lot of fine stuff on Sue, including
Baby Washington's "That's How Heartaches Are Made," The Soul Sisters'
"I Can't Stand It" (he gave us the LP - I'd love to have it now!),
Jackie Shane's "In My Tenement," and many more.
Country Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:29:06 -0000
From: Dave
Subject: Great lost Al Kooper song on 45
I know this board is frequented by Al Kooper so perhaps he would be
so kind as to give some interesting, and perhaps otherwise unknown
details about a great song that he co-wrote with Irwin Levine and Bob
Brass.
A radio listener of mine called my show recently and requested this
song that he could never find on 45, but heard the artist sing on
Hullabaloo back in 1965, or early 1966. The listener also recalled
seeing a large ad in a trade magazine promoting this 45.
I actually had the 45, and when I played it...I was also blown away
by how great this record was.....I did not remember how good this
song was! A definite shoulda been a hit!
Tell me something, anything, about the song and/or the
artist..please.
"You Can't Lose Something You Never Had" by Bruce Scott, produced by
Lew Futterman, arr & cond. by Nicky Welsh.
MGM K13455
Dave the Rave
www.davetherave.com
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:48:41 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis
The Cat:
> I'm trying to get a hold of "Ever See A Diver Kiss His Wife While
> The Bubbles Bounce About Above The Water" by Shirley Ellis. All
> her CDs are discontinued on Amazon.
Yes, Shirley Ellis' "Complete Congress Recordings" CD was deleted
last year. However ...
Three, six, nine
The goose drank wine
Amazon.com still have copies on-line
At: http://tinyurl.com/6oeel
Or you could try Bim Bam. Just enter her name in the "search" box
found here: http://www.bim-bam.com/vocal.html
Find a review of the CD here:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2003.htm#ShirleyEllis
Read her story at S'pop here:
http://www.spectropop.com/ShirleyEllis/index.htm
And this is a must too:
http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/shirley1.htm
Hey la,
Mick Mick Bo Bick
Banana Fanna Fo ... oh, never mind
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:08:21 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> I'm busy researching the songs of Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller, like
> you do. I have a question: is "Bad Blood" (the Coasters song) by
> the Plebs (UK Decca F 12006, 1964) available on CD? If so, maybe
> someone could furnish me with the details please. If not, It'd be
> great if I could get to hear the track somehow. And who produced
> the record, pray tell?
Check the 45 label here:
http://www.popsych.co.uk/images%203/plebs.jpg.htm
Here's a bio:
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/bio/0,,1037494,00.html#bio
Mark Wildey also produced the Attack, The Kingsmen and "Wings of a
man" by Danny McCulloch.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:40:13 EDT
From: Claire Francis
Subject: Jack Keller, Tom Austin and me
Me:
> Jack (Keller) and I lost touch for a while. We met again in the
> early 70's when I moved to California and was producing records
> there. I played one of my artists for Jack and he was crazy over
> him. His name was Tom Austin...
Gary Myers asked:
> I wonder if this is the Tom Austin who became president of Sherman
> Clay piano stores in the 80's. I know he recorded before that, and
> he was based in CA.
Claire responds:
Yes, it is the same Tom Austin, and I just got off the phone from
talking to him for the first time in 33 years!!!! We were both so
flipped out... thanks for helping us both connect...we were looking
for each other...and he is very close friends with another cat who
was also looking for me...so look and see what happened....I think
our dear friend Jack Keller had so much to do with all of this.
Love & Light,
Claire Francis
http://www.clairefrancis.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:41:35 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: 'Searching' For Answers
The Fall did a version Of Popcorn Double Feature, but I never knew
anyone else had till I read Artie's response. Any chance of hearing
the Tim Wilde version?
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:47:27 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Larry Brown
Country Paul:
> "Daddy Dewdrop" was actually Dick Monda, a songwriter originally
> from Cleveland, along with some studio musicians calling themselves
> the "Torrance Cookers." The musicians were Bill Perry, Tom Hensley,
> Steve Rillera, and Larry Brown.
Is Larry Brown the drummer? If so, he engineered a couple of our Mike
Curb sessions, and also added piano on one of our unreleased cuts.
gem
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:54:44 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Karen Lake; Jasper Wrath
Julio Nino:
> "When I´m Not Teenage Anymore" by Karen Lake, ABC Paramount 10087,
> 1960,( B-side "Kiss Me Quick And Go"), was composed by Barry Mann
> and Joe Shapiro.
...which explains how the background would have come about, as
"Darling Can't You Tell" was a hit in New York and a doowop classic.
God bless New Yorkers of a certain era. Gracias, Julio!
Scott:
> The other Sunflower artifact I have is an interesting psych LP
> entitled Jasper Wrath ... <
They wre a major club attraction in the northeast, including
Connecticut, but the record got limited airplay on the major
progressive rock stations. The 1990 album, co-produced by Joey
Levine, is credited to MGM Records (rather than Sunflower) on several
websites (Sunflower was distributed by MGM). A limited-edition CD
with later demos, etc., came out in 1997, and Sundazed has a vinyl
reissue of the original LP as well. Member Jeff Cannata's band bio is
here: http://www.arcangel-cannata.com/PAGES/bio.html .
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:17:38 -0000
From: Dave
Subject: Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> I'm busy researching the songs of Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller, like
> you do. I have a question: is "Bad Blood" (the Coasters song) by
> the Plebs (UK Decca F 12006, 1964) available on CD? If so, maybe
> someone could furnish me with the details please. If not, It'd be
> great if I could get to hear the track somehow. And who produced
> the record, pray tell?
"Bad Blood" b/w "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by The Plebs was released
in the US on MGM K13320 in 1965 and the 45 lists the producer for
both sides as Mark Wildey. I hope that helps.
Dave the Rave
www.davetherave.com
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:17:58 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Pussy Cat
Dave Monroe asked about Madara & White's "Have Courage, Be Careful"
as recorded by ye-ye girl Pussy Cat. I believe it was also recorded
by The Spokesmen.
Bobster
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:11:45 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Bad splices: The Supremes
While on the topic:
I always noticed a bad cut-off during "You Cant Hurry Love". In the
middle of the great song when Diane (um, MISS Ross) sings "...cause
my heart, heart to break/ Though I can't bear. To live my life
alone..." There is a very audible punch in WHILE Diane is singing
the word "break" into the next line!!!! So it winds up that she is
singing "..breaaa-THOUGH I CANT BEAR.....(while Mary and Flo woo-ooo-
ooo)! Love the song anyhow!!!!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:54:01 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Bad Splices - Lesley Gore
John H:
> Have a listen to Lesley Gore's "What's a Girl Supposed to Do?" About
> forty seconds into the song, she sings "so I kissed hiiiiim," and
> there's a noticeable change in sound quality in the "hiiiiim." Not
> sure if it's a splice, but it's somethin'.
This is an example of the double track vocal technique in plain
sight. What happened there is that one of the vocals (the louder
one) is suddenly cut off, probably due to her voice going out of
tune, while the second vocal continues to hold the note. Listen to
"You Didn't Look Round" on that same LP and you'll find evidence of
Lesley not singing the exact same notes on her 2nd vocal pass. I
find it amazing that she was able to sing so many of her songs with
double-tracked vocals so well.
Antone
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:44:41 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: The Searchers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
Mark on the Searchers:
> In the liner notes, they mention that "Have You Ever Loved
> Somebody" was written by the Hollies, and indeed, the writer credit
> is Ransford, who wrote a number of great Hollies songs. So, did
> the Hollies ever cut this one in their own right?
"Have You Ever Loved Somebody" was also done by a Brit duo Paul and
Barry Ryan and incidentally was produced by The Searchers ex drummer
Chris Curtis, who passed away recently.
There's also a good version by The Everly Bothers on the album "Two
Yanks In England" produced by .............The Hollies.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:03:49 -0000
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Tom Austin(s)
Claire Francis:
> Jack (Keller) and I lost touch for a while. We met again in the
> early 70's when I moved to California and was producing records
> there. I played one of my artists for Jack and he was crazy over
> him. His name was Tom Austin...
Gary Myers:
> I wonder if this is the Tom Austin who became president of Sherman
> Clay piano stores in the 80's. I know he recorded before that, and
> he was based in CA.
One Tom Austin that it definitely is not...Tom Austin the original
drummer of the Royal Teens, and the same Tom Austin of that cool end
of summer 1963 Old Town release "Summer's Over" by Tom Austin & the
Healeys.
I would like to note that Tom Austin is still playing some gigs with
the current edition of the Royal Teens. They recorded a song about
3 years ago called "Cool" which listeners rave about whenever I play
this tune. It's worth checking out...a real baby boomer anthem!
Dave the Rave
www.davetherave.com
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:50:06 -0400
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Re: The Plebs' "Bad Blood"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> I'm busy researching the songs of Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller, like
> you do. I have a question: is "Bad Blood" (the Coasters song) by
> the Plebs (UK Decca F 12006, 1964) available on CD? If so, maybe
> someone could furnish me with the details please. If not, It'd be
> great if I could get to hear the track somehow. And who produced
> the record, pray tell?
I have this 45 in its US incarnation on MGM. I could play it to
Musica, if you would like ... The producer was Mark Wildey... (is
this some sort of pseudonym for our own Mark Wirtz?) It's a decent
beat group version of the song, featuring "sha la la" backing vocals
and a few organ flourishes. I prefer the flipside, "Babe, I'm Gonna
Leave You" (Trad. - arr. by Dennis, as the credit reads), a more
rocking uptempo number.
Frank Uhle
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:30:57 +0000
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis
Mick Patrick:
> Yes, Shirley Ellis' "Complete Congress Recordings" CD was deleted
> last year. However ...
> Three, six, nine
> The goose drank wine
> Amazon.com still have copies on-line
> At: http://tinyurl.com/6oeel
> Or you could try Bim Bam. Just enter her name in the "search" box
> found here: http://www.bim-bam.com/vocal.html
> Find a review of the CD here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2003.htm#ShirleyEllis
> Read her story at S'pop here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/ShirleyEllis/index.htm
> And this is a must too:
> http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/shirley1.htm
A further addendum...The electronica entourage known as Skeewiff
(Jalapeno Rekkids) updated "The Nitty Gritty" a couple of years back.
Its on one of their CD's and Ursula1000 mixes it in on his latest DJ
mix called "Ursadelica." Nice danceable version paying sufficient
homage to the original (although I'm sure there are doubters as to
the veracity of that one~)
JB
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:17:35 -0600
From: Sean Anglum
Subject: Re: Searching for answers
Previously:
> (The Searchers) cover "I Don't Believe", the song previously done
> by the Guilloteens.
For anyone from Denver, front range of Colorado or the Rocky Mountain
region, you remember "I Don't Believe" as a giant hit for Denver's
fabulous Moonrakers. The 'Rakers recorded on Tower, by way of
involvement in a live talent show headlined by national act Johnny
Rivers in late 1965 in Denver. The show featured many top Denver acts
along with the Moonrakers, including the Back Porch Majority and the
Soul Survivors (pre-The Poor). Reps from Capitol, RCA, Tower,
Columbia and Philles were on hand. From that appearance came the
Moonrakers Tower deal. Their Tower singles, four of 'em, were
produced by Roger Christian and Richard Russell. "I Don't Believe"
was the B-side, with the war horse "Baby Please Don't Go" getting A-
side action outside of Denver. "I Don't Believe" was a huge smash #1
in Colorado. Great story on the Moonrakers' webpag: www.moonrakers.us
of how they befriended Beach Boy Carl Wilson, who lent the use of his
12-string Rickenbacker for the recording of "I Don't Believe." In
Colorado Springs, where I grew up, that great single was #1 and they
were our "Colorado Beatles." They had the sound AND the look for
stardom, too bad it didn't really pan out for them. After two
sizzling years they splintered off with some members eventually
ending up in "Green-Eyed Lady" famed Sugarloaf. There were a few last
gasp Moonrakers' singles and an LP, all on Shamley, but the magic was
gone. They live in our memories as one of the greatest Colorado rock
bands. We all wait for that much talked about reunion show to take
place!
-Sean Anglum
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:39:20 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Tom Austin
Claire Francis responds:
> Yes, it is the same Tom Austin, and I just got off the phone from
> talking to him for the first time in 33 years!
That's great! I never knew Tom well, but I worked for Sherman Clay
from '82-'85, and he took over around the end of that time. I met him
and spoke with him a few times before I left, but I wouldn't expect
him to remember me.
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:39:54 -0000
From: Janet Bonica
Subject: Re: Great lost Al Kooper song on 45 - Bruce Scott
Dave the Rave wrote:
> I know this board is frequented by Al Kooper so perhaps he would be
> so kind as to give some interesting, and perhaps otherwise unknown
> details about a great song that he co-wrote with Irwin Levine and
> Bob Brass. A radio listener of mine called my show recently and
> requested this song that he could never find on 45, but heard the
> artist sing on Hullabaloo back in 1965, or early 1966. The listener
> also recalled seeing a large ad in a trade magazine promoting this
> 45. I actually had the 45, and when I played it...I was also blown
> away by how great this record was.....I did not remember how good
> this song was! A definite shoulda been a hit! Tell me something,
> anything, about the song and/or the artist..please. "You Can't Lose
> Something You Never Had" by Bruce Scott, produced by Lew Futterman,
> arr & cond. by Nicky Welsh. MGM K13455.
I know that this was directed to Al Kooper but I just wanted to say
that I remember Bruce Scott. A friend of mine was a big fan of his
when we were growing up. He was the first husband of actress Sandy
Duncan. I believe I still have a picture of him.
Janet Bonica
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:38:23 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Please Don't Ever Leave Me"
Stewart Epstein wrote:
> I used to love a group called "The Cyrkle."...they had a sweet
> little song called "Please Don't Ever Leave Me" which I thought was
> very under-rated...does anyone know how "high" it ever got in the
> "Top 100" of its time?...that song is ripe for a re-making, in my
> view.
I agree with all counts of your statements. Love the song. Peaked
in Cashbox Top 100 at #50 in early 67, number 59 peak on Billboard's
hot 100. Surprising, since the song got tons of airplay and charted
in locals highly in many areas. Outside of "Red Rubber ball", this
would be my fave by them. It was extremely easy to get the Neon Lp
for a buck in the 70's cut out bins--usually mono, as the mono Lps
were phasing out in mid 67 and thus, many mono Lps from the period
seem to have gone unsold and showed up in droves in the cut out bins
5 years later. Sundazed has since re-released "Neon" and the song
lives agin in pristine sound.
Clark
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:54:10 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: The Plebs
Mick Patrick asked who produced The Plebs "Bad Blood"...
Mick, it was Mark Wilde. At the time he was also a booker in Don
Arden's agency. The record was released 16th October 1964 and the
band consisted of 2 ex-Nashville Teens members Terry Brown and Mick
Dunsford, plus Derek Sirman, Danny McCullutt and Chris Dennis. My
info doesn't give the writers of "Bad Blood", but given that the B-
side was a "traditional blues number arranged for the group by Chris
Dennis", it's very likely the A side is The Coasters' song.
Hope this bit of info helps....
Austin P.
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:11:42 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: The Plebs
Oooops....missed the "y" off Mark Wildey's name in my earlier posting.
He was quoted at the time as saying: "I suppose (the reason I got
into producing) is that I sit behind my desk working hard as an agent
and all the time I see these a 'n' r men making a fortune, buying big
houses and brand new cars. So I thought to myself, why don't I have a
bash ?"
Austin P and a spellcheck.
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature
Roy...How ya' doin'? Sorry I don't have a copy of "Popcorn Double
Feature" which I produced on Tim Wilde...but our pal Clark Blesch
might be able to locate one. Last year he sent me an article on Tim
and I in some teen magazine...so he knows about the record.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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