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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Richard Hattersley
2. Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Gary Mollica
3. The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
4. The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Scott Swanson
5. The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Clark Besch
6. Re: Lesley Gore
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: Bad Motown Splices
From: John Fox
8. Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature
From: Roy Clough
9. The Buoys' "Timothy"
From: Phil Hall
10. Al Kooper's "New York's My Home ..."
From: Dave
11. The Marquee Revue
From: Joe Nelson
12. Bill Doggett on Sue Records
From: ACJ
13. Re: Tom Austin(s)
From: Gary Myers
14. KIMN/WABC jingle; Don Dannemann; early Paul Simon; Bat Carroll
From: Country Paul
15. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
From: Rick H
16. L:eiber & Stoller
From: Paul Underwood
17. Re: C'mon Let's Live A Little soundtrack album
From: Nick Archer
18. Larry Brown
From: John Beland
19. Re: The Buoys' "Timothy"
From: Clark Besch
20. Re: The Cyrcle's "Please Don't Ever Leave Me"
From: Justin McDevitt
21. Re: Bad splices
From: Mikey
22. Re: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
From: Austin Powell
23. Re: Sunflower, the label
From: Frank Jastfelder
24. The Moonrakers
From: Clark Besch
25. Re: Bad Motown Splices
From: Tony Leong
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:59:07 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
The Hollies' version "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" was released on
their 1967 album "EVOLUTION". I like the Hollies, but for me The
Searchers and Paul & Barry Ryan's versions are better.
Richard
www.richardsnow.co.uk
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Mollica
Subject: Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
The Hollies recorded "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" on their almost-
psych classic Evolution. For a while it was popular for bands
recording original songs to create a pseudonym for their output. The
Stones had Nanker Phelge, The Grateful Dead had McGanahan
Skjellyfetti, & The Hollies had L. Ranford. Reissues are now under
the actual bandmembers' names, so Have You ever... is now listed as
by Clarke/Nash/Hicks.
The Hollies was the backing band for The Everlys on Two Yanks In
England as well as providing most of the songs.
I didn't see the beginning of this thread so don't know if this was
mentioned here before, but here's a link to a page full of Have You
Ever Been Lonely complete with an interesting story by the recently
deceased Chris Curtis: http://dosandernach.bei.t-online.de/hyels.htm
All the best
Gary Mollica
Pasadena CA
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:25:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
Previously:
> There's also a good version (of "Have You Ever Loved Somebody") by
> The Everly Brothers on the album "Two Yanks In England" produced
> by .............The Hollies.
My version of "Two Yanks in England" is produced by Dick Glasser.
Einar
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:37:11 -0700
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
Roy Clough writes:
> "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" was also done by a Brit duo Paul and
> Barry Ryan and incidentally was produced by The Searchers ex
> drummer Chris Curtis, who passed away recently. There's also a good
> version by The Everly Bothers on the album "Two Yanks In England"
> produced by .............The Hollies.
FYI......"Two Yanks In England" is finally going to see an official
CD release -- Tuesday!
http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM05582
Collector's Choice is re-issuing the Everlys' entire Warner catalog
on CD this month, along with a rarities CD called "Too Good To Be
True". "Two Yanks" is the best album The Hollies never released. ;)
Later,
Scott
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:20:43 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
Seems like I have a pic sleeve 45 on German Hansa with the Aussie (?)
duo, the Young Idea, doing "Peculiar Situation" and "Have You Ever
Loved somebody", but not sure if that was the B side or not. I tried
to find the 45 quickly, but as usual, was unable to, so don't quote
me on this one.
Clark
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:23:30 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore
Anthony Parsons wrote:
> ... Listen to "You Didn't Look Round" on that same LP and you'll
> find evidence of Lesley not singing the exact same notes on her 2nd
> vocal pass. I find it amazing that she was able to sing so many of
> her songs with double-tracked vocals so well.
I wonder why she was double-tracked so often -- my understanding is
that the technique was usually reserved to mask the inadequacies of
far less talented singers than Miss Gore.
Needing QUADRUPLE tracking myself,
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:04:08 EDT
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Bad Motown Splices
Previously:
> I always noticed a bad cut-off during "You Can't Hurry Love".
There's a similar-type splice in another Motown hit from just about
the same time (and with the same bass rhythm), "Ready For Love".
Right before the last verse, after Martha sings her last "...ready
for love", there is a very obvious splice just before the Vandellas
come in with their "I'm ready, right now" vocals. Not quite as bad as
the vocal splice on "You Can't Hurry Love", but quite noticeable.
Maybe things weren't going as perfectly as we thought at Motown in
the Fall of 1966.
John Fox
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:09:48 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Roy...How ya' doin'? Sorry I don't have a copy of "Popcorn Double
> Feature" which I produced on Tim Wilde...but our pal Clark Blesch
> might be able to locate one. Last year he sent me an article on Tim
> and I in some teen magazine...so he knows about the record.
Thanks Artie. If you have nothing to do at some point take a look at:
http://www.searchers.rickresource.com/ > CLOUGH LINKS. You will see
why the interest.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:24:19 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: The Buoys' "Timothy"
Previously:
> Another similarly poor edit was done to "Timothy" by the Buoys......
> for more "radio-friendly" lyrics. Let's see: Hungry as heck (no
> food to eat) and Joe said that it would sure be nice to munch on
> something sweet? Amazing how far they were willing to go to protect
> people's ears.
You must have a different version than I do. On the version I have on
45, the words are clearly:
"Hungry as hell, no food to eat
And Joe said that he would sell his soul
For just a piece of meat"
And I'm pretty sure that's the same version that got played on the
radio; at least in the Syracuse, NY area. A former buddy of mine, Tom
Navagh, was the bass player for the group that the Buoys
metapmorphosed into; Dakota.
Phil H.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:41:05 -0000
From: Dave
Subject: Al Kooper's "New York's My Home ..."
Speaking of rare 45's, I have another 45 in my collection that I call
the original beginnings of "I Can't Quit Her". Remember "New York's
My Home (Razz-A-Ma-Tazz)" on Aurora 164? Please tell me something
about this song.
Dave the Rave
www.davetherave.com
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:43:05 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: The Marquee Revue
Poking around in the Box earlier, I ran across a couple of oddities by
what looks like a Northern Soul group out of Omaha:
What Good Tomorrow / Don't Talk Of Love (Pacific Avenue 464)
Comin' Back / I Had A Dream (Butterick 101)
Just had to scrub 'em up and rip 'em all. "What Good Tomorrow" seems
to be the best of the lot. The Butterick disc had a reference to 9-
465 on the label - hmmm, consecutive to 464. Looks like a vanity
press operation. Anyone got any ideas about these guys?
Joe Nelson
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:06:50 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Bill Doggett on Sue Records
The recent discussion of the late Juggy Murray and Sue Records calls
this to mind: A long time ago, I had a Sue single called "Si Si Cisco"
b/w "Fat Back" by Bill Doggett (of "Honky Tonk" fame). Anyone know if
either of these tracks (esp. "Fat Back") have ever been released on
CD? Thanks.
ACJ
"Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:13:46 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Tom Austin(s)
Dave:
> One Tom Austin that it definitely is not...Tom Austin the original
> drummer of the Royal Teens ...
In fact, once when I spoke with the Sherman-Clay Tom, I asked him if
that was him. Of course, he would have been quite young, even for a
teen band, but I wanted to be sure.
> ... Tom Austin is still playing some gigs with the current edition
> of the Royal Teens.
Do they go as the Royal Geezers now?
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:00:14 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: KIMN/WABC jingle; Don Dannemann; early Paul Simon; Bat Carroll
Sean Anglum:
> ...the Moonrakers' webpag: www.moonrakers.us...
Amazing what you find posted in Spectropop and on the web! On this
page - http://www.moonrakers.us/KIMN%20jingle%202.mp3 - is the KIMN,
Denver version of the WABC, New York "Jimmy Smith Sonovox jingle."
It's probably not Jimmy Smith on the organ, but it's close to his
style; in New York, the Sonovox sang "WABC" instead of the KIMN
slogans.
Somewhere I have an old reel-to-reel copy of this given to me by the
late Rick Sklar, PD of WABC when it was *really* WABC. I don't have a
player for the tape - and haven't heard the jingle in years till now -
but I'd love to have an mp3 of this version or the original. Sadly, I
can't capture it from this website. Can anyone help, please? Off-list
is fine. Thank you in advance!
Stewart Epstein wrote:
> I used to love a group called "The Cyrkle."...they had a sweet
> little song called "Please Don't Ever Leave Me" which I thought was
> very under-rated...
Gotta pitch for my fave by them, "I Wish You Could Be Here" - I've
also heard a solo Paul Simon demo of it which is equally gorgeous
but, of course, sparer. Incidentally, I used to do voice-overs with
Cyrkle singer/writer Don Dannemann at his studio in New York. He sold
it a couple of years ago and retired to the Poconos in Pennsylvania.
Speaking of Paul Simon, I received the CD on Bonus, "Paul Simon aka
Jerry Landis, Work In Progress Volume 1." The high point is indeed
The Cosines' [Simon and Carole King] unique version of "Just To Be
With You," which is truly quite beautiful. There are also a couple
of solo Art Garfunkel - that is, Artie Garr - songs; his voice was
already amazing even if the music wasn't. Sadly, I find that's true
for most of this album. Simon sings very well, acquits himself
admirably on guitar - and often on multiple vocal and instrumental
overdubs for his demos - and there are occasional moments when you
hear the fledging lyrical ability of his future work trying to break
out of the overweening and self-limiting "teenage" world of these
songs. But mainly I wonder what labels such as MGM, Warwick and
Canadian-American heard in the tracks they released which are
included here; perhaps they hoped to emulate the success of Jerry
Landis' "Lone Teen Ranger," Tom & Jerry's "Hey School Girl," and Tico
& The Triumphs' nifty "Motorcycle," none of which are on this CD.
Also absent is Simon's non-billed lead singing on the semi-hit by The
Mystics, "All Through The Night" (Laurie 3047, 1960), as well as two
other non-hit sides by that group.
That said, one of the curiosities that engaged me on this CD is an
unreleased 1960 recording of "A Different Kind of Love" (wr. Don Wolf
& Ben Raleigh), also recorded by one Bat Carroll (Ace 601, 1960; flip
is "Grow Up" written by Mac Rebennack, i.e., "Dr. John"). It's late
here in the eastern US, so I can't check out the 45 (I'd wake my
wife) but will report back; as I remember, Simon's track sounds a lot
like Bat Carroll's, but it's been a while since I heard it. (Carroll
also had at least one more record; I'm not familiar with "Aw Who"
(Ace 570, 1959), but Dr. John is backing him on that track, which was
reissued on a Westside CD, "Return of the Mac: Dr. John, 1959-1961.")
A final note on this CD: highest compliments to Bim-Bam Records for
the speedy transatlantic service.
Country Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:27:43 -0000
From: Rick H
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
...or Two Threads For The Price of One!
My vote for the Spectropop "Worst Tape Edit Ever Award" has to go to
Bob Crewe for that hideous train wreck which occurs at 1:35 on Diane
Renay's otherwise-wonderful "Bell Bottom Trousers" on the NAVY BLUE
LP. It's so bad it throws the harmonics off.
My three-decade grudge (it was the first LP I ever bought, which
explains a lot) turned to outright bitterness upon purchasing the CD
of same. Guess what? They couldn't find the masters so I guess that
rotten Elastoplast splice will be how the track will front up for The
Final Judgment.
And now my Eddie Rambeau CD has an unexplained (and unfixable, and
unplayable) gouge right across "My Name Is Mud" - the best thing on
the disc.
Of course Bob Crewe's to blame for everything but it's great that
George Schowerer is on the board: Mitch Ryder's WHAT NOW MY LOVE LP
is an all-time fave of mine and the sound is spectacular - I'm
playing it right now. Well engineered melodrama is its own reward.
But how 'bout those liner notes putting Mitch in the same league as
Monroe, Mandrake, Judy Garland, Mickey Mantle and RFK? Common sense
cetainly prevailed when they sealed that crap inside a gatefold!!!
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:56:03 +0200
From: Paul Underwood
Subject: L:eiber & Stoller
Mick Patrick wrote:
> I'm busy researching the songs of Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller
Does this mean that the follow-up to last year's excellent Volume One
of the Leiber and Stoller story is imminent? That solidly researched
first volume covered the period up to 1956 and included many pleasant
surprises. Keep up the good work.
Paul
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:10:21 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: C'mon Let's Live A Little soundtrack album
Here's the track info for the soundtrack album:
C'mon, Let's Live A Little - Opening Main Title
Instant Girl - Bobby Vee
Baker Man - Jackie DeShannon
C'mon Let's Live A Little - Suzie Kaye
What Fool This Mortal Be - Bobby Vee
Tonight's The Night - The Pair
For Granted - Jackie DeShannon
Back-Talk - Bobby Vee & Jackie DeShannon
Over And Over - Bobby Vee
Let's Go Go - Eddie Hodges
Way Back Home - Ethel Smith & Don Crawford
C'mon Let's Live A Little - End Title
If anyone wants to hear any of this, email me off-list.
Nick Archer
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:31:18 -0000
From: John Beland
Subject: Larry Brown
For those interested, Larry Brown played drums on two singles of
mine..."Baby You Come Rollin Cross My Mind" and "Will You Still Love
Me Tomorrow." I had the pleasure of working with Larry on numerous
sessions in Hollywood in the late 60's and early 70's. I always liked
his drumming...very aggresive but very commercial. I wonder what ever
happened to him? Anyone know?
John Beland
www.johnbeland.com
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:59:44 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Buoys' "Timothy"
Previously:
> Another similarly poor edit was done to "Timothy" by the Buoys......
> for more "radio-friendly" lyrics. Let's see: Hungry as heck (no
> food to eat) and Joe said that it would sure be nice to munch on
> something sweet? Amazing how far they were willing to go to protect
> people's ears.
The version mentioned above is a special DJ edit which is VERY poorly
"punched" in to the original version. The sound quality of the punch
in is terrible as well, making it really unplayable for radio, even
if they wanted to play it!! It was a special Scepter DJ release.
Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:56:38 -0500
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Re: The Cyrcle's "Please Don't Ever Leave Me"
Stewart Epstein wrote:
> I used to love a group called "The Cyrkle."...they had a sweet
> little song called "Please Don't Ever Leave Me".
This is a favorite Cyrkle tune of mine. It really captures that
Renaissance pop sound of the mid-60s era. The harmonic blend of
voices on this song is also uplifting.
Also on the Neon LP is the magical folk/rock song I Wish You Could
Be Here, (written by Paul Simon) and mentioned in previous S'pop
discussions. Again, this track is one of my all-time favorites and
always brings to mind a rainy early spring Sunday afternoon in NYC
with this guy sitting in his apartment, feeling restless, thinking
about a real or imagined female to share the afternoon with.
Yours in peace,
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:45:43 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Bad splices
MY vote for worst tape splice has got to be that hideous edit of "Let
It Be" for single release. Right in the middle of Georges guitar
solo, that splice is jarring as all hell. And to top it, Phil Spector
did it!! The man who spent 2 full days mixing "loving Feeling" let
that horrible edit go out into the world!!! Bad, Phil, bad!!!
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:36:07 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Re: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
Clark Besch found a German pressing....
The Young Idea were a British duo, but "Have You Ever...." wasn't the
B side of the UK release of "Peculiar Situation". I don't think that
track appeared on any of the 4 or 5 singles they released on EMI's
Columbia label. They made the Uk charts once with the Beatles' song
"With A Little Help....". Their names escape me as well.
Austin P
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:34:10 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: Sunflower, the label
Schrieb Leslie Fradkin:
> Sunflower's roster choices were guided by two elements:
> 1) The musical taste of Mack David and Danny Kessler (Owners) and
> 2) Money (geez, what else?)
> Mack, as you may know was an accomplished and well known MOR
> songwriter ("It Must Be Him", "Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White",
> "Baby, It's You") and Danny was a great industry hustler whose taste
> ran more rock than Mack's. Most releases were driven by top 40
> mentality, nothing more. Albums were afterthoughts in some cases.
> Dickie Monda got his LP out because his single went so big.
Thank you Les, another knowledge gap closed with the help of the
wonderful world of Spectropop.
I have a promo 7" of Tony Scotti (who later launched the Scotti
Brothers label) with a nice Bacharachesque song called "It Won't Hurt
To Try It" (SUN 109) written by Ken Alison. Arr. and cond. by Tommy
Oliver. Prod. by Oliver and Scotti himself. I knew the two worked
already together on Scottis LP for Liberty Records resulting from his
"Valley Of The Dolls" fame. But I had no idea who was responsible for
sowing the seed of the Sunflower label.
Frank Jastfelder
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:33:28 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: The Moonrakers
Sean Anglum wrote:
> For anyone from Denver, front range of Colorado or the Rocky
> Mountain region, you remember "I Don't Believe" as a giant hit for
> Denver's fabulous Moonrakers...
Sean, some great memories! We vacationed in Colorado every year in
the 60's. My fave Moonrakers is "It's Alright" cover--great
overmodulation! You musta been groovin with KYSN in the Springs.
Always thought it cool that the cover of their radio surveys had the
street sign for Haight-Ashbury on the cover. More appropriate for a
Boulder station, likely. Loved KIMN--great station, great Djs and
nor afraid to play locals and obscurities. The Astronauts and Higher
Elevation also got good local airplay. Thanks again.
Clark
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:40:54 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: Bad Motown Splices
Previously:
> I always noticed a bad cut-off during "You Can't Hurry Love".
Hey Spectropop Gang: I should be posting these things about the odd
Supremes and Vandellas splices on a Motown-board, but since they are
brought up here--why not!!!!!????
Anyway John, that splice in the middle of "I'm Ready For Love" exists
on the mono master. If you listen to the stereo version of that
song, you will hear the Vandellas/ Andantes sing ".."I'm Ready, I'm
Ready, Right Now, Right now". THAT part was edited out of the final
mix that we all hear on the single mono version of the song.
So, "I'm Ready For Love" was initially about 10 seconds longer than
the version that you refer to that we all love.
Oh, LOTS of those great Motown songs that we all know have vocal
lines and chunks of the songs cut out from the original studio
takes. For instance, the Four Tops originally SANG lyrics during the
instrumental break of "I Cant Help Myself", and Wanda Young had an
entire verse cut out of the release of "The Hunter Gets Captured By
The Game"!!! However these edits did not turn out to sound like bad
splices.
More in the Spectropop realm-- although these are not bad splices,
just edits, did you know that the Dixie Cups sang a whole extra verse
during the break of "Gee Baby Gee", and Mary Weiss sang a whole
verse after her dialogue with MaryAnn and Margie at the fade out of
"Give Him A Great Big Kiss"???
Tony Leong
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