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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dean Ford & The Gaylords
From: Peter Lerner
2. Radio, UK & NY
From: Country Paul
3. Re: "El Cid"
From: John Black
4. Phil McLean
From: Jim Fisher
5. Re: A tale of two songs: I'm Counting On You
From: Lyn Nuttall
6. Bob Dylan, Hit Songwriter
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: Dean Ford & The Gaylords
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Re: Songs that are difficult to I.D. by their title
From: Phil X Milstein
9. Re: Del-Fi today
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Denny Reed; "Jack" radio; "Image"
From: Country Paul
11. Titus Turner - Soulville recordings
From: Joop
12. Re: "Rock 'n' Roll Heaven"
From: Gary Myers
13. Re: "Phil's Spectre II: Another Wall Of Soundalikes"
From: Gary Myers
14. Re: Si Waronker
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Re: Dean Ford & the Gaylords
From: Frank M
16. The Brewers
From: Kingsley Abbott
17. Aesops Fables
From: Stefano
18. Toys in the park!!
From: Tony Leong
19. RIP Si Waronker, 90
From: Bob Rashkow
20. Jeff Barry and Brian Wilson to receive Lifetime Achievement Awards
From: Laura Pinto
21. Re: Rock & Roll Heaven
From: John S
22. Re: Phil McLean
From: Tom Taber
23. Frank Gorshin RIP
From: Frank Uhle
24. Jackie Lee - Irish-Brit Girl - live BBC interview
From: Mark Maldwyn
25. Re: Dean Ford & The Gaylords
From: Richard Havers
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:57:28 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Dean Ford & The Gaylords
Sean asked about Dean Ford and the Gaylords and whether they were a
mod band. My recollection is that they were marketed as Scotland's
answer to the Mersey Beat and the only song of theirs that I recall
hearing (many times on pirate radio) was "Twenty Miles", a cheerful
bopping-along song but not in the least mod.
Peter
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:39:54 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Radio, UK & NY
Ray:
> "This is the story of Offshore Pirate Radio and the airwaves of the
> Swingin' Sixties" http://www.sixtiescity.com/Radio/60SRadio.htm
Thanks - this is a great history lesson, especially for us statesiders.
Joey:
> For those of you in the New York area who listened to WCBS-FM radio
> and for the listeners who streamed the station you can sign a
> petition, who knows if it will make a difference or not, but it's
> worth a try, go to
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/474032182
As we say in Noo Yawk, fuhgeddaboutit. It's a done deal.
Country Paul
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:30:03 EDT
From: John Black
Subject: Re: "El Cid"
I don't think there is a song in the film EL CID. However, there was
a song at the conclusion of the same producer's 55 DAYS AT PEKING
(producer Samuel Bronston). It was a ludricously inappropriate
ballad, sung by someone like Matt Monro or Andy Williams. I would
guess that some subordinate convinced Bronston that the film would be
more marketable with a pop "hit."
John Black
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:17:33 -0700
From: Jim Fisher
Subject: Phil McLean
I stopped at a garage sale here (LA) today and bought a shoe box full
of 45s, some very interesting early 60s stuff and in fairly decent
condition thanks to the covers still being on...one of them I'd like
to ask if anyone knows of the label: It's VERSATILE , 1674 Broadway
N.Y. 19, N.Y. the tracks are "Small Sad Sam" & "Chicken" by Phil
McLean. Bright red in color and cataloged as Versatile 107-ZTSP 81100
and 81101 respectively. Anyone familiar with this record?
Thanks, Jim.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:25:33 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: A tale of two songs: I'm Counting On You
Rick Hough wrote:
> is the JOK version from his US sessions?
Rick, JO'K recorded it in Australia. He'd returned to the US early in
'61 but Liberty was no longer interested in recording him. He stopped
off briefly in NY where he met the composer of "I'm Counting On You",
Alicia Evelyn. He returned home via the UK and recorded "I'm Counting
On You" in Sydney.
I'm cutting short a long story here: the details are in Damian
Johnstone's biography, "The Wild One: The Life and Times of Johnny
O'Keefe".
Lyn
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:52:11 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Bob Dylan, Hit Songwriter
Listening to Julie & Brian & Trinity's version of "This Wheel's On
Fire" this afternoon, a question popped into my mind. Bob Dylan has
had very few major hit singles (in the US, at least) as a performing
artist, but, taking your Peter Paul & Marys, your Byrds, your
Manfreds, your Trinitys and etc. into account, has had quite a few as
a songwriter. Does anyone know if a list of hit cover versions of his
songs exists anywhere?
If your memory serves you well,
--Phil M.
--
"Deep Throat" 2-for-1; Barry Sadler responses; Thurl Ravenscroft
memorial; "Bedazzled" tribute:
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
Entering Arlington:
http://www.philxmilstein.com/EnteringArlington
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:52:27 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Dean Ford & The Gaylords
Sean wrote:
> Their last song "He's A Good Face But He's Down And Out" ...
> I've heard two other songs by the group which didn't sound Mod
> either, and I kind of doubt the mention of the word "Face" has
> anything to do with the Mod slang, rather it seems to me to be
> revisionist history?
But what else could it mean? From the way the title is phrased, as
well as its chronological context, I can't imagine any other
interpretation*. However, there are countless examples of songs that -
for reasons of exploitation, satire or otherwise -- refer to a
current fashion without the song being an example of that mode. So,
although the song may not sound Mod to a Mod expert (i.e., you!), I
would still guess that the word "Face" was most likely meant in its
Mod sense.
Speculating away,
--Phil M.
*although perhaps it had some alternate meaning in British English
that I'm not aware of.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:00:27 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Songs that are difficult to I.D. by their title
Will Stos wrote:
> When I hear a song like this and radio doesn't provide the artist
> or song title, I tear my hair out to try to learn what it is. ...
All points well taken. However I am constantly amazed by the depth of
songs that appear on all those crazy-ass lyrics websites, and suggest
that many instances of unknown titles can be solved by simply Googling a
snatch of the song's lyric.
By the way does anyone know what the deal is with those lyrics sites?
They seem to have no connection to any genuine musical fandom, and are
more likely portals to one sort of sleazy commercial site or other, but
I've never been able to completely crack the code of their existence.
Also, while many of the sites simply crib their lyric content from other
such sites, there is also some variance between them of transcriptional
accuracy, and so "caveat emptor" when trying to grab a lyric from them.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:21:41 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Del-Fi today
S.J. Dibai asked:
> Also, what's the story on Del-Fi Records? The company still has a
> website ( http://www.del-fi.com ), and Bob Keane is still touted as
> the owner and label head, but I can't seem to tell whether any of
> that is current. The homepage has a copyright date of 2001, and at
> the age of 83, it's understandable if Keane has retired!
I can't answer that directly, as I believe the company direction has
changed in (very) recent years, but some of the compilations they've
put out during the CD era have been revelatory. Most of the albums
have been spotty, but that's to be expected from that sort of thing.
More important is the fact that the good stuff I've found on them --
and there's keepers on each of the half-dozen or so comps I have* --
have totally rattled my gourd.
You bow to your opponent,
--Phil M.
*and I'll be happy to name names, if anyone's interested
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:14:44 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Denny Reed; "Jack" radio; "Image"
Julio Nino:
> I want to thank Country Paul for elaborating the very interesting
> and entertaining article about Denny Reed. I liked it very much.
You're welcome. As noted earlier, Denny did the "heavy lifting" and
the pictures, and the S'pop team did the scans and layout. I just
facilitated and edited. But I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
Bob Radil on "Jack" "radio":
> To read more comments, click:
> http://musicradio.computer.net/anotherboard/wwwboard/
My favorite comment posted in that group is someone's fake Jack promo:
"...Wasting more electricity than your entire neighborhood on a
hundred degree day in July. 101.1, JACK-FM."
Joop Jansen:
> Alan Haven's version of "Image" was used by DJ Bob Stewart as his
> theme for Caroline North. Even the B-side of that single: "Romance
> On the North Sea" was used as a closing theme in the evening hours
> on Caroline North.
> http://www.offshoreechos.com/offshorethemes/deejays%20R-S.htm
The excerpt on this web page is pretty neat, Joop, even if it sounds
like it was recorded by microphone in front of a short-wave spoeaker.
Of course, isn't that how it was originally heard? (Not with a
microphone, but you know what I mean....) It would be interesting to
hear the full-length version in hi-fi, if anyone has it.
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:26:30 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Titus Turner - Soulville recordings
Hi,
I bought the Titus Turner CD: "Soulville" on Collectables. When I
wanted to read the inlay, I saw there was no recording or release-
information available. Here are the songs mentioned:
1. Soulville
2. Sticks And Stones
3. Solitude
4. All Around The World
5. I Love You Baby
6. Bow Wow
7. My Darkest Hour
8. People Sure Act Funny
9. Walk On By
10. Masquerade Is Over
11. With Your Funny Looking Self
12. Mary Mack
13. Trying To Beat The Gator To The Pond
14. I Need Some Long Greens
The only thing I read it was a Bobby Robinson-production. I know
Titus recorded some numbers for Bobby Robinson's Enjoy-label. That
are the numbers 1, 5, 6, 7 and 8. But I can't track down the numbers
2, 3, 9, 11, 13 and 14. I am specially interested in Sticks and
stones. Could this be his demo-recording of the song that was covered
by Ray Charles, Joe Cocker, Elvis Costello and Manfred Mann a.o.
Joop greets
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:11:29 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Rock 'n' Roll Heaven"
My little RnR Heaven story:
Sometime around the late 80's (I think) I went to see the "Golden
Boys Of Bandstand" show (Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell, Fabian) at
Universal Amphitheater. At the end of the show all three united on
stage and did this song. Within the song, Fabian did an Elvis
tribute, Avalon did a Rick Nelson tribute (IIRC), and Rydell did a
Bobby Darin tribute. Finally, as they all came together singing the
last chorus, I thought, "This is obviously the closer", and I left
very quickly. I ran out to my car, beat all the traffic out of area,
and felt very pleased with myself.
The next morning, I read the review in the LA Times and learned that,
AFTER that song, Annette Funicello and Edd Brynes came up out of the
audience and everyone sang the Mickey Mouse Club Theme!
gem
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:14:16 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre II: Another Wall Of Soundalikes"
Clark Besch:
> Volume one had Kane & Abel's Red Bird 45 "He Will Break Your Heart"
> which was a re-write of Volume 2's "Break Down & Cry" on
> Destination (which was also titled "A Man Ain't Supposed to Cry" on
> Destination!).
Clark, have you seen a copy of titled "A Man Ain't Supposed To Cry"?
The Destination 607 that I had was as "Break Down And Cry".
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:43:09 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Si Waronker
In memory of Liberty Records founder Si Waronker, I have posted a
fascinating artifact to my Probe site. Provided by Margaret and Gary
Still, "The Sounds Of Liberty" is an early 1961 promo that appears to
have accompanied the company's 1960 Annual Report. The presentation is
narrated by Julie London and Ross "David Seville" Bagdasarian, who
discuss and play samples from some of the more prominent of the
label's current catalogue. Label/sleeve scan included.
Dig,
--Phil M.
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:46:34 +0100
From: Frank M
Subject: Re: Dean Ford & the Gaylords
Dean Ford & The Gaylords were a west of Scotland gigging band who
played to both crowds of mods in the cities and to crowds of young
people not necessarily mods in the surrounding towns and villages.
They were like every group, a covers band.They liked black American
music such as that favoured by Mods. One could say they were as much
a mod band as the Who (not all of whom were mods) or more of a mod
band than the blues fans in the Yardbirds.
It was different times before discos when every Friday and Saturday
night groups played at clubs where people came to dance, meet people
and have fun. If one was in any way fashionable you were mod inclined.
There were no up to date non mod fashions. Not in the West of Scotland
anyway. Yes there were people with retro tastes who clung to bum
freezer jackets, quiffs and maybe crepe soled shoes.
Looking at a few other web sites they did play accross the country
including the famed California Ballroom at Dunstable so they must have
been a fairly popular live outfit.
I doubt if Dean Ford and the Gaylords played any of their recorded
orginals at gigs and if they did the crowd would be waiting on the
next familiar cover.
So some years after they recorded these singles their records are
deemed to be Freak Beat, Mod , Psyche whatever when in fact all along
they were just trying to make pop music like very other group in the
UK at that time.
The Who, Small Faces etc did not make Mod records: they did not appear
till Secret Affair, Purple Hearts etc.
FrankM
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:00:53 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: The Brewers
Does anyone out there have any info about an unreleased album that
Phil Spector supposedly cut with an unknown LA rock group called The
Brewers in the seventies? Love to get any info on or off list.
Many thanks,
Kingsley
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:42:03 -0700
From: Stefano
Subject: Aesops Fables
In a batch of records I recently bought, is a 45 from a group called
Aesops Fables (produced by Bob Gallo), on Cadet. The song is a cover
of the Supremes/Temptations track, "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me". The
sound is heavenly, to say the least. It sounds to me, like a Spector
meets George Martin production. I love it. Does anyone have any
information on this group? Searching the web, I see that they
released an LP (which seems fairly obscure), and a handful of
singles. Is there a CD of their work anywhere out there, and does
their other stuff all sound like this single?
Thanks-
Stefano
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:58:52 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Toys in the park!!
Hey girl-group fans: The original Toys (Barbara, Barbara, and June)
reunited today at a park in Brooklyn to sing at a show dedicated to
Vietnam Vets. Barbara Harris sang a few tunes with her own band,
then brought the other girls up for "The Toys are Back In Town",
and "A Lovers Concerto" (personally I would rather have heard "Cant
Get Enough Of You Baby"). But, it was great to see them all doing
well and using the same choreography for "Concerto" that they did on
their '60's TV appearances. All 3 girls were amazed that some of my
friends had rare picture sleeves and photos from their heyday that
the group hadn't seen in years, and they gladly autographed
everything and took loads of photos with us!!! Also in the audience
with us was Nanette Licari of the Delrons whose photo is on the
Spectropop Homepage!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:04:02 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: RIP Si Waronker, 90
Sad to hear of Si Waronker's death. I know a few of you are still in
touch with his son Len who was also in the record business in a big
way working with Van Dyke Parks, Randy Newman, etc. at Reprise etc.
Can someone please refresh my memory on this? Si was the inspiration
for "Simon" of the Chipmunks, who did Ross Bagdasarian (if indeed it
was him who named them) name "Theodore" and "Alvin" after? ? Weren't
they also involved with Liberty Records or in the L.A. music
business?
Bobster
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:34:07 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Jeff Barry and Brian Wilson to receive Lifetime Achievement Awards
Hi all,
Jeff Barry and Brian Wilson are going to be receiving Lifetime
Achievement Awards at the LA Weekly Music Awards on June 14, 2005.
For details, and to obtain tickets to the event if you live in the
area, click here: http://www.laweekly.com/music/lawma05/
Congrats to both these gentlemen for an honor well deserved.
Laura
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:48:47 -0000
From: John S
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Heaven
John Fox wrote:
> Since the first verse included a "Jimi" (Hendrix) and a "Jim"
> (Morrison), and since no one called Jim Croce "Jimmy", did you
> ever consider anyone else for that verse (or perhaps referring
> to him as "Croce" which at least fit the meter)?
Not to speak for Alan, but if you listen closely you can hear Bill
Medley sing "Jim HE touched us with that song..."
John S.
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Phil McLean
Jim Fisher wrote:
> I stopped at a garage sale here (LA) today and bought a shoe box
> full of 45s, some very interesting early 60s stuff and in fairly
> decent condition thanks to the covers still being on...one of them
> I'd like to ask if anyone knows of the label: It's VERSATILE, 1674
> Broadway N.Y. 19, N.Y. the tracks are "Small Sad Sam" & "Chicken"
> by Phil McLean. Bright red in color and cataloged as Versatile 107-
> ZTSP 81100 and 81101 respectively. Anyone familiar with this
> record?
"Small Sad Sam" was a novelty top 40 hit late in '61, and appealed to
me as an 11 year old enough for me to buy it. A take-off on "Big Bad
John." I believe the follow-up, "Big Mouth Bill"/"Come With Us" -
Versatile 108, was a garage sale acquisition. Yes, ol' Phil went to
the well once too often.
Tom Taber
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:27:51 -0400
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Frank Gorshin RIP
Impressionist and actor Frank Gorshin recently died at the age of 72.
He memorably played The Riddler on TV's Batman in the '60s and cut an
enjoyable cash-in 45 for A&M. Written by Mel Torme, arranged and
produced by David Gates, it features a female vocal background chorus
and a spot or two of fuzz guitar. I would be happy to post it to
Musica if someone can assist me...
Frank Uhle
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:31:07 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Jackie Lee - Irish-Brit Girl - live BBC interview
On BBC Radio Kent, 18th June 10 0'clock on the Jeremy Dry show,
Jackie Lee will be interviewed live on her career/ouvre.
Mark M
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:40:16 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Dean Ford & The Gaylords
My input to the Dean Ford debate concentrates on their later
incarnation as Marmalade......but here goes anyway. Before they
became Marmalade the band was originally called Dean Ford and The
Gaylords (named after a 1930’s prohibition gang), who had formed in
Scotland in ‘63, none of their four singles for Columbia made any
chart impression; although Twenty Miles was a big seller in Scotland!
When they changed their name to Marmalade in ’66 and signed to CBS
the band was Dean Ford (real name McAleese) lead vocals; Junior
Campbell lead guitar; Raymond Duffy drums; Pat Fairley guitar and
Graham Knight bass. The band had moved from Scotland to London and
had begun to get gigs at London’s Marquee Club as well as appearing
at various festivals. Their debut single 'It's All Leading Up To
Saturday Night' failed to have any impact as did the follow-up,
'Can't Stop Now'. By the time of their third single Duffy had left to
be replaced by Alan Whitehead and with 'I See The Rain' they were at
last beginning to get some decent airplay. It did not push the song,
written by Campbell and Ford, into the charts; although it was a hit
in Holland. Nor did their fourth single 'Man in A Shop', despite
having great harmony vocals and capturing the mood of the summer of
love in ’67.
Having released four singles and had four flops CBS were beginning
to get frustrated with their lack of chart success and pushed the
band into covering The Grassroots 'Lovin' Things' in early summer 68.
It did the trick and the song, with Keith Mansfield’s great
arrangement, climbed to No.6 in the UK charts. Next up came 'Wait For
Me Mary-Ann' which was a more modest hit, making No.30 in the autumn
of the same year. They then hit the No.1 spot with a cover of 'Ob-La-
Di, Ob-La-Da' from The Beatles' White Album, which spent a total of 3
weeks at the top. Having created something of a formula sound the
band did not break it for their next single, 'Baby Make It Soon', it
made No.9 in the summer of ’69. Their last single for CBS 'Butterfly'
rather surprisingly flopped, which probably disheartened Decca who
had signed them, but there was no need to worry. Their first single
for Decca 'Reflections of My Life', released at the very end of ’69
went eventually to No.3 in the UK and No.10 in America, both in
early ’70.
Their contract with Decca gave them the freedom to write and produce
their own material and Campbell and Ford wrote 'Reflections of My
Life'. It is reported that the single has now sold over 2 million
copies world wide and received over one million radio plays. There
was another hit in ’70, 'Rainbow', which made No.3 in the UK and No.
51 in America and in ’71 three hits, 'My Little One' No.15), 'Cousin
Norman' (No.6) and Back on the Road (No.35). After 'My Little One'
Campbell had departed to study at The Royal Collage of Music and
later had a hit with 'Hallelujah Freedom', although he did arrange
the brass on 'Cousin Norman'. Hughie Nicholson who had been with
another Scottish band, The Poets, replaced Campbell and another Poet
Dougie Henderson came in for the departed Whitehead. By the time of
'Radancer', Fairley had also left, but it became the band’s next hit
in spring ’72, making No.6 in the UK chart Radancer was the band’s
last Decca single and started a period in the doldrums for the group.
In ’73 Nicholson left to join Cody but Ford, Knight and Henderson re-
grouped with Joe Breen bass, Howie Casey drums and Mike Japp guitar/
keyboards/vocals and signed to EMI. The new line up recorded three
singles but with no success. Knight soon left and things pretty much
ground to a halt in late ’74. In ’76 Knight and Whitehead
reincarnated the band with Sandy Norman, guitars/keyboards/vocals
and Garth Watt-Roy guitars/vocals, who had been in the Naturals and
The Greatest Show on Earth. They had a UK No.9 hit on Target Records
with 'Falling Apart at the Seams'; it also climbed to No 49 in the
US. Four more Target singles in the remaining months of ’76 failed
to achieve any more success.
Throughout the 80’s and 90’s the band has been touring extensively.
In the latter half of the 90’s they have been working with Dave Dee
and Chip Hawkes from the Tremeloes, particularly in Germany; Knight
is the only original left with the band, although Whitehead did play
until at least ’92 but now runs a model agency. Ford lives in LA,
writing and producing; Fairley lives there too, he owns a bar and
restaurant, while Campbell writes music for TV and films.
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