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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. JimmIe Haskell arrangements
From: Hugo M
2. Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol. 3
From: Mark Maldwyn
3. The Seashells / The Pearls
From: Mark Maldwyn
4. Re: The Ill Winds = The Chantays?
From: Steve Harvey
5. Re: Barbara Mercer sings Van McCoy
From: Joop
6. Baseball Bacharach
From: Guy Lawrence
7. Hunting 45's
From: John Green
8. Re: Cashman, Pistilli & West
From: Austin Roberts
9. Re: Baseball Songs
From: Irving Snodgrass
10. Re: Terry Cashman
From: Austin Roberts
11. Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol. 3
From: Vlaovic B
12. Bacharach & David's "Promises, Promises"
From: James Botticelli
13. Drifters; Playboys; Bobby Vee new CD; Chevrons; Joe South
From: Country Paul
14. This Week's Finds
From: James Botticelli
15. Paul Anka's "Second Chance"
From: Tracy Pernell
16. The Guilloteens
From: Gary Myers
17. Front Porch request
From: Country Paul
18. Re: Girl Group Box Set due from Rhino - Sep 27th
From: Will Stos
19. "Alley Oop" by Dante and the Evergreens
From: Holly Cara Price
20. Re: Bacharach & David's "Promises, Promises"
From: Chris
21. Re: Girl Group Box Set due from Rhino - Sep 27th
From: Ray
22. Re: All Music Guide
From: Various
23. Cooperettes/Cooperetts
From: James Moniz
24. Re: Kathy Brier
From: Anthony Parsons
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:53:15 -0000
From: Hugo M
Subject: JimmIe Haskell arrangements
Has anybody noticed/mentioned that Haskell did several of Glen
Campbell's LP.s? Just at a quick glance, I noticed that he was
credited for two of the most popular ones... I didn't note down which
ones, but Burning Bridges is a good bet.
Cheers --
Hugo M.
http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:07:38 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol. 3
John Black:
> I'd like to nominate "Patch It Up" by Linda Scott. Compared to most
> of her hits, this particular record provides a "little symphony for
> the kids."
I haven't heard this one but I imagine it's fine like "You Baby" by
Linda and "Miracles" by Kiki Dee.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:17:15 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: The Seashells / The Pearls
Does anyone know the identity of the UK female 'group' The
Seashells? As far as I know they recorded two singles for CBS in the
early-mid 70's which may have been minor hits: The Best Part of
Breaking Up and Maybe I Know. Having just bought the Pearls
compilation of their 1970's recordings, a UK duo originating from the
late 50's Vernons Girls, I wonder if The Seashells have a similar
lineage? The Pearls comp. is quite fantastic by the way.
Thanks, Mark M.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Ill Winds = The Chantays?
Margaret G. Still asked about:
> THE ILL WINDS
> Reprise promo 0492
> "A Letter" (M. Rabennack) b/w "I Idolize You"
> Prod & arr by Michael Rubini
That's Doctor John as the songwriter.
Steve Harvey
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:45:25 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Barbara Mercer sings Van McCoy
Julio Niño wrote:
> And talking about Barbara Mercer, I read in the article that she
> released in Golden World (GW27 and also GW 28), a version of the
> marvellous Van McCoy´s song "Doin´ Things Together", originally
> titled "The Things We Do together". Maybe it´s the original
> version. I really would love to listen to it.
Hello (Hola) Julio,
The original version of "Doin´ Things Together" or "The Things We Do
together" by Barbara Mercer was recorded by the Dreamlovers on Warner
Bros 5619 (released march 1965). The original title was "Doin' things
together with you" (B-side of "You gave me someone to love").
Madeline Bell recorded a version in 1968 on Philips 40539.
Joop greets.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:50:13 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Baseball Bacharach
Mike wrote:
> There have been a number of posts listing titles of baseball songs
> recently but one has been overlooked. It's from the show "Promises
> Promises" and was written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David. The
> title is "She Likes Baseball".
I notice that Varese Sarabande have recently reissued the original
cast recording on CD. My original copy is in pretty poor shape so
I've rarely played it. What do the other Bacharach & David fanatics
here make of the album?
And while we're at it, how zealous should my search for a copy of the
"On The Flip Side" LP be?
Find Varese at www.varesesarabande.com
Regards,
Guy
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:58:51 -0000
From: John Green
Subject: Hunting 45's
Postings on this site have been very helpful guiding me regarding
45's to seek out; however, two which must be very rare, I have never
found regardless of my efforts - the Tradewinds' "Summmertime Girl"
and the Lonely Crowde's "Shadows and Reflections." I heard them once
on 60's jangle radio and have been hunting them ever since. If
anyone has either one to post in Musica or possible trade mp3's let
me know.
Sincerely - John
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:16:17 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Cashman, Pistilli & West
Bob Radil writes:
> Hi Austin, Didn't you tell me that for a while you were part of
> "Cashman & West"?
Hi Bob, I took Gene Pistilli's place as lead singer for the Buchanan
Brothers.
Best, Austin R.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Irving Snodgrass
Subject: Re: Baseball Songs
Here's another: "I Love Mickey" by Teresa Brewer on Coral. Mickey
Mantle is featured, saying, "Who Me?"
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:37:21 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Terry Cashman
Fred Clemens:
> Terry Cashman was earlier known as Dennis Minogue when he fronted a
> group, the Chevrons ("Lullabye"), on Brent Records in 1959-1960.
Dennis Minogue is his real name.
Austin R.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:54:42 -0400
From: Vlaovic B
Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol. 3
I'm afraid I can't add much to the discussion, but I was pleased to
see that someone noted Bruce Springstein's 'Hungry Heart'. 'Born to
Run' of course was Springstein's original Spector sounding single and
another one that I'd suggest is Dusty Springfield's 'Stay Awhile'.
However those two, I fear, are too well known for a series that is
arguably looking for rare and forgotten gems. Therefore I'll suggest
a track that ties both of those productions together: Rachel Sweet's
1978 revival of Springfield's 'Stay Awhile'. It doesn't try to
approximate the Spector sound of Dusty's original, but instead (in
what I thought was a neat trick) approximates the sound of 'Born To
Run'. So it's a Faux Spector remake of a faux Spector production as
filtered through Springstein's faux Spector tribute.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:09:49 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Bacharach & David's "Promises, Promises"
Guy Lawrence on the show "Promises Promises" written by Burt
Bacharach and Hal David:
> I notice that Varese Sarabande have recently reissued the original
> cast recording on CD. My original copy is in pretty poor shape so
> I've rarely played it. What do the other Bacharach & David fanatics
> here make of the album?
Well if you can visualize (or audiolize) Jerry Orbach singing "I'll
Never Fall In Love Again" you'll get the idea. Bacharach himself said
he'd never do another Broadway Musical where the lineup of the
orchestra is subject to change on a nightly basis. He liked to
totally control the output and felt that live orchestration on a
continuous basis was not the way to go for him. Having said that
however, I like the LP a lot and recently repurchased a minter copy.
Jill O'Hara's "Knowing When To Leave" is worth it alone. And don't
get me wrong. I loved Jerry Orbach (Briscoe on 'Law & Order' US TV
Series) but singing wasn't his forte. The medley which typically
opened old school Broadway shows is great too. Hope that helps.
JB
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:44:36 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Drifters; Playboys; Bobby Vee new CD; Chevrons; Joe South
Martin Jensen re: Drifters perform at tiny, Greek island
> [D]uring the concert, one of the Drifters stepped forth and
> admitted that, "Yes', we are way too young to be original Drifters.
> We are often asked, how can you guys call yourselves the Drifters.
> But all of us have performed with some of the original Drifters
> and after their deaths, we have decided to continue the Drifters
> tradition and sing the old classics." I still can't decide if they
> then should be considered noblemen or impostors, but I left the
> concert with a mixed, albeit relatively good experience, so I
> guess I'll settle for the former.
I recently saw a reunion of the surviving Heartbeats ("A Thousand
Miles Away"). (James "Shep" Sheppard died many years ago). Their
hearts were in the right places, and the efforts at recreating their
sound were valiant and occasionally on-target; it was sentimentally
rewarding, but musically disturbing to see and hear their diminished
powers. On the other side of the coin, look at the Harlem
Globetrotters basketball team, which started in the 1930s. They're
doing the same - and new - trick routines, but obviously not with the
original players. However, the name and the tradition stays alive.
Re: The Drifters, remember that even the "There Goes My Baby Era"
Drifters were not the original Clyde McPhatter era Drifters, that
group having been sacked in toto in favor of the new guys. And if
most if not all of those second-group originals have passed on, let's
rhetorically ask ourselves, what *is* authentic? So if these guys
were still "doing it" with the right feeling, then I guess more power
to 'em - with, of course, an asterisk. (Although it might be more
logical to bill themselves as a tribute act - also more honest.) Just
my opinion.
Gary Myers on the Playboys' "Over The Weekend":
> Love that song!... There was a story about them, probably 6-7 yrs
> ago, in one of the collector's magazines, but I don't remember
> which one.
Please post when/if you find out.
By the way, the recent Discoveries has a nice long article on the new
album from Bobby Vee. I don't remember the reviewer's name, but he
was pretty effusively praising the entire enterprise.
Fred Clemens:
> Terry Cashman was earlier known as Dennis Minogue when he fronted a
> group, the Chevrons ("Lullabye"), on Brent Records in 1959-1960.
I had no idea; I thought that was one fine record. Didn't they also do
"Honey That Comes With Love," also on Brent?
Frank wrote:
> I think Joe South "Rose Garden" is much more Spector sounding than
> "Don't You Be Ashamed" which is really connected by the chords
> progression more than the actual sound.
Not Spectorian, but a huge-sounding production anyway, anyone
remember his version of Ike & Tina's "A Fool In Love"? Man, that
roars! Great, too. Nashville could really get cookin' when it wanted
to!
More soon,
Country Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:28:18 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: This Week's Finds
The Record Detective finally re-visited his prowlin' grounds today.
THIS is what he found!
Bozo At The Circus - Capitol EP - Arranged by Billy May.
>From the kiddie records of the 50's, this one features a 10 page
booklet within the gatefold EP with color pics of animals!
Shocking Blue - Acka Ragh - Colossus 45
A raga'd out sitar instro from the boys who gave us "I'm Your Venus".
Jan & Dean - Surf City/She's My Summer Girl - Liberty 45
Because I've had the empty picture sleeve sitting in a box for the
past 30 years!
The Ventures - Walk, Don't Run - Dolton Stereo LP
The only one I don't have. Now I do!
The Regents - Live at the A.M.-P.M. Discotheque - Capitol Mono LP
In Paris it was New Jimmy's :-) in Montparnasse. In London it was the
Crazy Elephant on Jermyn Street. New Yorkers shoehorned into
Shepheard's in the Drake Hotel. And the beautiful people of Hollywood
would stand in line up to three hours to get into Jack Martin's A.M-
P.M. on La Cienega Boulevard or the Whisky a Go-Go on Sunset Strip.
And I'm a sucker for anything with "Discotheque" in the title....
The Neon Philharmonic - The Moth Confesses - Warner Brothers Stereo LP
Because of all that's come up at Spectropop. Tupper Saussy indeed.
And all this time I thought it was Kayser Sozay
you guys were talking about from 'The Usual Suspects'....
Mariano And The Unbelievables - Capitol Stereo LP
One can never have enough Baroque Pop and this LP showcases young
teens dressed in foppish wigs and royal-wear playing such 60's hits
as "Up Up And Away", "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" in Baroque fashion.
The liner notes share that Mariano himself is/was an Argentinian.
These guys aren't even old enough to shave yet!
Orquesta Soul - Bugalu - Dot Mono LP
To quote from the liners: "Never before has any dance or music trend
created so much attention for dancer and musician as the Bugalu. It
is a happening. IT'S THE WAY IT WILL BE.....A combination of rhythm
& Blues and soul rock, Bugalu has brought a new wave of excitement."
Another array of 60's hits rearranged with that "Bugalu" spirit!
"Sunny", "Sunday Will Never Be The Same", "Happy Together", "Eleanor
Rigby." You know the drill.
Bobby Rydell - The Top Hits Of 1963 (with free bonus record, a 45 of
"Forget Him" b/w "Message From Bobby") - Cameo Mono LP
As a graduate of Rydell High, I had to have this collection. Freddy
Cannon once told me that Rydell's hair was tighter than a beeshive.
Go Away Little Girl, Ruby Baby, Our Day Will Come, Can't Get Used To
Losing You, Blue On Blue, Wonderful! Wonderful!, My Coloring Book, If
I Had A Hammer, Blue Velvet, The Alley Cat Song, I Will Follow Her,
So Much In Love.
Original Soundtrack - Here Comes Huckleberry Hound - Colpix Mono LP
Hanna Barbera stuff and couldn't find any info on who arranged the
music. Did Hanna Barbera use anyone usually? This one looks to be
about 1964.
Now for some happy listenin'
JB
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tracy Pernell
Subject: Paul Anka's "Second Chance"
Do any of you fine Spectropoppers have a copy of the song "Second
Chance" from Paul Anka's WALK A FINE LINE album (or CD, if you are so
blessed) or even a good version of the 45? I have been searching for
this song to play on my syndicated radio show, so any help you could
give me will be greatly appreciated.
Tracy Pernell
tkptitan
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:56:52 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: The Guilloteens
Eddy:
> Here's what Louis Paul wrote to me a while ago (as told to
> his wife who works the computer)... Spector never finished I Don't
> Believe...
Spector's involvement in the record may well be a true story, but I
think it should be pointed out that, a few years ago, the website
that Louis Paul and his then-g/f had was full of inaccuracies about
chart high BB postions (of which there were none in reality), etc.
gem
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:10:27 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Front Porch request
I may be working with Marc Scott of The Front Porch on an album of
that group's and related material. I am seeking information on the
flip sides of their second and third Jubilee releases, as we have
access only to two-sided DJ copies. The flip side of 45-5717, "Under
The Boardwalk," is unknown; the flip side of 45-5720, "Wonderful
Summer," has been shown to be "Under The Boardwalk" in some listings,
but I need to know if there is another flip side available. If anyone
has either of these, or any other Front Porch-related material,
please contact me off list. mp3s - or audio files on CD by mail - are
welcomed.
Also, Marc Scott is dealing with some health issues; please send a
prayer or good thoughts his way.
Thanks for your help!
Country Paul
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:23:52 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Girl Group Box Set due from Rhino - Sep 27th
Steve Crump wrote:
> Great News ! The title of the set is ONE KISS CAN LEAD TO ANOTHER:
> GIRL GROUP SOUNDS, LOST & FOUND. Apparently has 120 songs from 107
> artists over 4 CD's. But............... As yet there is no link on
> Rhino's web page. I have no idea what the track list may be.......
> .......but I'm getting very excited.
There was a tid bit in USA Today that said it comes in a black hat
box with liner notes in the form of a girl's diary book and each CD
case is designed to look like a make-up case. Unfortunately, it looks
like even the "rare" tracks mentioned are readily available on other
comps. I guess this is going to be more for casual listeners.
Will : )
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:25:06 -0400
From: Holly Cara Price
Subject: "Alley Oop" by Dante and the Evergreens
Does anyone have this in their collection? I need to locate the track
for Little Steven's Underground Garage. Thanks in advance............
Holly
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:31:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Bacharach & David's "Promises, Promises"
Guy Lawrence wrote:
> What do other Bacharach & David fanatics here make of the album
> [the original cast album of the show "Promises, Promises"]
James Botticelli wrote:
> Well if you cabn visualize (or audiolize) Jerry Orbach singing
> "I'll Never Fall In Love Again" you'll get the picture.
Well, actually, it's a duet. Jill O'Hara (in the Shirley MacLaine
role from "The Apartment") starts it out, giving the song its main
statement, and then Orbach joins her. I have a distinct memory of
its beginning with acoustic guitar accompaniment, in a very mid-
'6os "neo-folkie" sort of way, and then O'Hara chiming in.
Botticelli also wrote:
> I loved Jerry Orbach [...] but singing wasn't his forte
You have to take into account that his style was "musical-comedy
singing," as opposed to '60s pop singing. It's pointless to expect
the sound of, say, Gene Pitney or Brook Benton singing the B&D songs
of this era.
With that as a given, I'd say that the singing Orbach does in '60s
productions like "The Fantasticks" and "The Cradle Will Rock" -- not
to mention "Promises, Promises" -- is perfectly decent. Pretty damn
fine, actually.
Chris
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:46:02 +0100
From: Ray
Subject: Re: Girl Group Box Set due from Rhino - Sep 27th
Some info found on this:
'One Kiss' leads to 'Girl Group' collection
Whether ears are tuned to He's a Bad Boy (Carole King), Dream Boy
(Jackie DeShannon) or Big-Town Boy (Shirley Matthews), the true focus
is girls. Marginalized in rock history, early female pop queens get
the royal treatment on One Kiss Can Lead to Another: Girl Group
Sounds - Lost & Found, a lavish, rarities-laden four-CD box set due
on Rhino Sept. 27 in stores or at www.rhino.com.
The $64.98 collection holds 120 songs by 107 artists, from such
familiar acts as The Supremes, The Ronettes and The Shangri-las to
lesser-knowns The Goodees, the Whyte Boots and The Lovelites. Solo
singers include Cher, Brenda Lee, Dusty Springfield and Lesley Gore.
One Kiss comes in a black-and-white hatbox, with liner notes bound in
a girl's diary and each CD digipak designed to resemble a retro makeup
compact.
By Edna Gundersen at:
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/life/20050715/wk_comingattractios15.art.htm
Ray
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:34:33 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: All Music Guide
A few posts with which to wind up this topic of discussion:
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To what has already been said about AMG, I would like to add the
following:
Sometimes the writing assignments have me scratching my head; why
have Richie Unterberger write a bio of Jay & the Americans or Neil
Sedaka when he clearly dislikes those artists? The guy even said in
his preface to his book "Unknown Legends of Rock 'n' Roll" that it
wouldn't do anyone any good if he wrote about artists he doesn't like
or have an interest in.
Furthermore, AMG doesn't do the best job of keeping track of what CDs
are out there or what's on them. It's pretty much hit or miss. This
even applies to the reviews of CDs. I get especially frustrated when
I click on a review for a two-fer CD and all it says is, "In 1996,
Beat Goes On issued two of Del Shannon's LPs, This Is My Bag and
Total Commitment, on one CD." (Not the actual review of that CD.)
What kind of a REVIEW is that?
Despite my complaints about AMG, I still use it like crazy. The
problem with studying popular music is that one has to rely on a
plethora of sources that are fraught with errors or just plain
lacking in information. The problem goes beyond AMG, sadly.
S.J. Dibai
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I think it's one of the best research resources out there (but then
again, what else IS out there??), but it has some annoying drawbacks,
including:
- EXTREMELY slow to fix errors (even blatant ones)
- "tracklists" and "credits" are put on separate pages, forcing you
to constantly click back and forth to get info. I miss the old days
when you could read ALL of an album's details on a single page.
- their "songwriter" credits seem to be based more on opinion/
revisionism than what the actual record says.
Later,
Scott Swanson
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First out, please bear in mind that I'm speaking only as a freelancer
for AMG (since 2001, they've been my primary employer), and nothing I
say should be taken by any means as an official company statement.
That said, speaking for myself, I'm well aware of many of the
mistakes on AMG -- it took me over two years to get the database
manager to divide an American punk group and a UK twee-pop act, both
called Eggplant, and even then the singles aren't quite right yet --
and so are the people in charge of the database. The problem is that
you could fit the entire editorial staff of All Music Guide into a
phone box, and the budget into a small pillowcase. It's not that we
don't *want* things to be 100% accurate -- I'm as galled by simple
mistakes as the next person, if not more so -- it's more that the
time, money and manpower aren't up to the enormity of the job. But
they're trying.
Stewart Mason
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I don't think much of ALLMUSIC Guide because those people distort the
truth and then when we try to tell them the truth, they don't correct
it. Why? We send proof and still no corrections are made.
Tim Kim
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:33:06 -0000
From: James Moniz
Subject: Cooperettes/Cooperetts
Hi. Does anyone have any information on the Cooperettes? I love their
three Northern Soul songs that they recorded on Brunswick -
especially "Shing-A-Ling." Does anyone know when the group was
formed, when they disbanded, if they ever charted on any chart and
who the members were. Also, I really love their song "Peace Maker"
which was released on ABC in 1968. I've been looking for it forever.
Thanks,
James
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:53:22 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Kathy Brier
Herb:
> I bet that would be great to see & hear with Darlene Love doing the
> role. When you saw Hairspray with the original cast, I was informed
> that the actress who played Tracy also is a cast member of the soap
> opera "One Life To Live". I am referring to Kathy Brier. Is this
> correct? Does Kathy still do the role?
Kathy Brier is indeed alive and well on One Life To Live as Marcie
Walsh and she's terrific. She has sang on the show several times,
one of which was a memorable rendition of Piece Of My Heart. I read
that Kathy did Hairspray and OLTL simultaneously, so she must have an
awful lot of energy. She's a rather unlikely soap star, but is well
loved by the fans and I heard nothing but raves about her stint in
Hairspray. I'd love to hear her sing They Don't Know, she's a
natural for a girl group revival sound, kinda Tracy Ullman 20 years
on.
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