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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Gillian Hills
From: Mick Patrick
2. Re: "My Coloring Book"/ Sandy Stewart
From: Artie Wayne
3. Re: Bob Crewe at Motown
From: Artie Wayne
4. Knows Dripping
From: Steve Harvey
5. Link and Archie take a Rollercoaster ride
From: Phil X Milstein
6. Classic artists on US TV; Spooky Tooth; Julee Cruise
From: Country Paul
7. Re: Oh Why / Sag Warum / Adamo
From: Eddy
8. Models cover; "The Queen"; "Oh Why" follow-up; Gleams
From: Country Paul
9. "You Should Have Told Me" by the Angels
From: Artie Wayne
10. Speaking of Girl groups - I, She and Me / early Cheryl Dilcher
From: Neil Hever
11. Love fires Arthur Lee
From: Robert Kacerow
12. Bob Crewe at Private Stock
From: James Botticelli
13. Re: Gillian Hills
From: Mark Maldwyn
14. Re: Link and Archie take a Rollercoaster ride
From: Joe Nelson
15. Re: Billie Davis sings Joe Meek?
From: Mark Maldwyn
16. Eighteen year olds
From: Kingsley Abbott
17. Re: Knows Dripping
From: James Botticelli
18. Re: Tony Hatch on "Call Me"
From: Joop
19. Re: "My Coloring Book"/ Sandy Stewart
From: Joop
20. Re: Reparata & The Delrons tracklist
From: Ray
21. Re: "My Coloring Book"
From: Chris Schneider
22. Link Wray on Rollercoaster / Kathy Lynn
From: Mick Patrick
23. "The Disadvantages Of You" free MP3...
From: Jonathan Villegas
24. Re: The Complete Cathy Carroll
From: Mark Maldwyn
25. B * * t l * g s
From: Karl Ikola
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:23:23 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Gillian Hills
Mark M:
> Did Gillian Hills only record one British 45? If so one side
> of is included on RPM's Dream Babe 5. Gillian also pops up in
> The world of Jackie Lee on the cover versions section.
To the best of my knowledge, "Tomorrow Is Another Day" (no, not
the Doris Troy/Vernons Girls/Helen Shapiro song, but a twinkling
number the lovely Ms Hills wrote herself) was Gillian's only
British 45. Although she is English, I think all of her other
releases are sung in French. While nice, they are no match for
this gorgeous track. What a shame RPM didn't also include the A-
side on their "Dream Babes #5" CD, because it's even better than
the flip. Ne'er mind, it's now playing @ musica. It's a bit
crackly, but tres fab:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Details are: Gillian Hills "Look At Them" (UK Disques Vogue, VRS
7005, 1965) Written by Gillian Hills. Orchestra arranged and
conducted by Bob Leaper. Prepare to melt.
Bob Leaper, now there's an arranger worthy of discussion.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: "My Coloring Book"/ Sandy Stewart
Country Paul...Gary...How ya'll doin'? I just wanted to add that Sandy
Stewart was married to "Moose" Charlop who wrote "My Coloring Book".
She also co-starred, opposite Jimmy Clanton, in Alan Freeds' "Go
Jimmy, Go !" in 1959. She used to sneak me in backstage when she
appeared at Alan Freeds' live Rock n' Roll", where she promoted the
movie.
regards, Artie
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:51:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe at Motown
James...How ya' doin' ? I guess that's where Bob Crewe went after he
left Motown. He had a long sucessful relationship with Larry Uttal at
Amy/ Bell records with Dynovoice, and when Larry Uttal formed Private
Stock...the combination was a natural!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Knows Dripping
Joe Nelson:
> ... if you run an instrument too percussive through a spring reverb
> you get a very dripping water effect out of it. Check out the
> Chantays' "Pipeline" for one of the clearest examples I can think
> of.
Fender use make reverb units in the early 60s to get that "wet"
sound for guitars. It was ideal for the surf bands that were
springing up at the time. Later, guitarists use to search pawn shops
for these units once the surf craze died and Fender stopped making
them. Some would push the spring inside up so the unit didn't work
and then try to get the pawn shop owner to sell them the "broken"
unit at a lower price. Fender was reissuing them a few years ago.
Steve Harvey
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:36:11 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Link and Archie take a Rollercoaster ride
Anyone know anything about a Link Wray & The Ray Men CD on
Rollercoaster (who they?) titled "They're Outta Here, Says Archie"?
The cover (!) notes say it's from tapes of an unreleased LP for
Cadence. The cover art, as spotted at amazon.com, bears the earmarks
(ouch!) of a bootleg -- not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but,
if true, could be a clue as to what this release is "about."
To consolidate my questions:
* Does anyone know the backstory to this session/release?
* Is the record any good?
Swag,
--Phil M.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:53:18 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Classic artists on US TV; Spooky Tooth; Julee Cruise
Bill Mulvy:
> Why is it that Lesley Gore or The Zombies are not on Letterman
> Doesn't Paul Schaeffer have a say on which music acts are booked?
> ....[W]hy wouldn't he get Letterman to have some of these '60s
? acts on? The only '60s act I have seen on late night was when
> Leno had Nancy Sinatra on a couple years ago....Why is it that
> only PBS shows these groups?
Because unless they remain current, like the Stones or Nancy Sinatra
(who by virtue of her name and her Playboy appearance remains
current), such acts fall outside the advertisers' target demographic.
PBS gets money directly from the 50+ folks because (1) they've hit
the age where they supposedly have it and (2) are willing to spend it
on supporting the acts they care about which relate to their musical
roots.
Joop mentioned back at the end of July...
> ...this Larry Weiss song "Evil woman". The Troggs recorded that
> in 1969 as did Spooky Tooth and Yesterday's Children.
Excellent song on an excellent album. Am I correct in my perception
that although Spooky Tooth was regarded largely as an album-oriented
group in the US, they were a singles group in the UK?
Inspired by the mention of "Veruca Salt" as having Spectorian
overtones, I have a last (well, maybe not) suggestion for Wall of
Spectre III: one of the Julee Cruise songs from the "Twin Peaks"
soundtrack, perhaps the opening title. For a couple of albums - "The
Voice of Love" and "Floating Into The Night" - she was certainly
mistress of her own distinctively Spector-influenced sound somewhere
to the left of the Paris Sisters. (Oh, okay, it was really conceived
and realized by David Lynch and Angelo Badalamente, but the telltale
Spector aura hits you immediately.) Her contemporary work is
decidedly avant garde; check out www.juleecruise.net, which links to
her hewest album, "The Art Of Being A Girl." (Sound samples, if
you're interested, at http://tinyurl.com/c2ge6 It's a very different
direction from "Twin Peaks.")
Country Paul
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:26:32 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Oh Why / Sag Warum / Adamo
Frank:
> I doubt very much that Adamo ever recorded Sag Warum. He only
> recorded his own stuff.
I don't actually have the record (so not even sure if it's the same
song), but my files show: Adamo - Sag warum / Die Suche ist nie zu
Ende - Germany EMI 1c006-201532 (1986)
Eddy
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:17:27 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Models cover; "The Queen"; "Oh Why" follow-up; Gleams
Frank Jastfelder:
> That would be great. Love to hear it. Btw, are there any photos of
> "The Models", eg promo shots out there in Spectroland?
There was a picture sleeve for the 45.
Phil M., re: the Rip Chords:
> I am not certain who it is leading "The Queen." The song ends with
> an upwardly swirling falsetto tag-to-fade that must be heard to be
> believed.
Very unexpectedly Dion-influenced track - and you're right about that
fade!
Thanks to Frank and Joop for the information on "Oh, Why" - or
rather, "Sag Warum." There are many covers, as I've learned, but they
all have the spoken verses. Do any of our European brethren know if
the lyrics are the same or similar to the English-language version?
Also, special thanks to David A. Young for his on- and off-list
correspondence and research regarding this, my favorite Spector
composition - but in the original version (although I look forward to
hearing the Celia Paul cover sometime).
After two tries, Yahoogroups finally let me hear The Gleams track
playing at musica. Having not read all the posts between my catch-up
and "Oh Why," do I hear Ellie Greenwich singing as well as note that
she's the co-writer? Great intro hook, too....
More after the weekend,
Country Paul
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: "You Should Have Told Me" by the Angels
Does anybody know if "You Should Have Told Me" by the Angels, which
I wrote with Ellie Greenwich and Danny Jordan is on any CD set?
Thanks and regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:49:23 -0000
From: Neil Hever
Subject: Speaking of Girl groups - I, She and Me / early Cheryl Dilcher
Popsters, A reel tape dated March 1966 was dropped off at the radio
studio - sent to us by a member of I, She and Me, Cheryl Dilcher's
first high school era band. Remarkably, it contains three original
songs plus a cover of Gershwin's "Summertime", a remarkable
achievement for youngsters. The group featured tight, three part
harmony with folk/rock accompaniment. I believe the arrangements are
original as well. They did release one single on Port records (a
division of Jay-Gee) around 1966 called "McDougal Street"/"Look".
Again, the 45 features two original songs that arguably are as good
as any other similar material from the era. Does anyone on the list
have any other information about the group or Cheryl Dilcher? I know
Cheryl recorded for A&M records but I have not found any current
information.
Neil
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:05:06 -0400
From: Robert Kacerow
Subject: Love fires Arthur Lee
Was given this link from another discussion group. I think some of
you will find this story interesting:
http://love.torbenskott.dk/newsletter/20050808.asp
Regards, Bob K
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:40:46 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Bob Crewe at Private Stock
Artie Wayne on Bob Crewe:
> ... when Larry Uttal formed Private Stock...the combination was a
> natural!
Swearin' To God remains an all time fave for me. Especially the
female backing vocals. Did Crewe pen that one?
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:07:50 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Gillian Hills
Mick Patrick wrote:
> ... "Tomorrow Is Another Day"...was Gillian Hills' only British 45.
> ... What a shame RPM didn't also include the A-side, "Look At
> Them", on their "Dream Babes #5" CD, because it's even better than
> the flip. Ne'er mind, it's now playing @ musica. It's a bit
> crackly, but tres fab:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
What a pity Gillian Hills didn't release any more records especially
as she wrote her own material at times. Is she the face on the cover
of the Decca comp "Girls Scene"?
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:13:37 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Link and Archie take a Rollercoaster ride
Phil X. Milstein:
> Anyone know anything about a Link Wray & The Ray Men CD on
> Rollercoaster (who they?) titled "They're Outta Here, Says Archie"?
> The cover (!) notes say it's from tapes of an unreleased LP for
> Cadence.
Cadence owner Archie Bleyer sometimes named albums after comments he
made about the artists: an Everly Brothers LP showing Phil and Don on
motorcycles was titled "'They're Off And Rolling,' says Archie". My
favorite in this genre was Andy Williams' "'He's All Male And Catnip
to Quail,' says Archie". You don't want to see the cover.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:17:22 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Billie Davis sings Joe Meek?
Mick Patrick:
> Talking of Carter-Lewis demos . . . I've posted to musica another
> acetate of one of their songs. From the collection of my pal
> Clunkie, "Sweet And Tender Romance" features young Billie Davis at
> her most raw. It sounds like one of her earliest recordings. Some
> of you might know the song by Carter-Lewis & the Southerners, John
> Leyton, the McKinleys or P. J. Proby. Find it here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
There's a 4xcd advertised entitled "Portrait of a Genius - The RGM
Legacy of Joe Meek" which apparently features Bille Davis. Is this
the "tea-chest" material? 'Telstar' the play is a fine piece with
unique acting by Con O'Neill, although when I saw it there was hardly
anybody there. This was after the bombs.
Mark M
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:19:58 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Eighteen year olds
Simon White wrote in the Motown re-mixed context:
> You couldn't play the original 1973 version of 'Keep On Truckin" to
> a club full of eighteen year olds
This raises an interesting point to my mind: Whilst we all
appreciate that technology and musical genres move on all the time,
we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. A good record is
a good record, and I see no reason why eighteen year olds, or those
of Uni student age should not appreciate a wide variety of what has
preceeded their generation. One of the great joys of my own musical
appreciation is that I am appreciating modern music alongside an ever
increasing selection of past genres. I teach two University classes:
'The Sixties Pop Explosion' and NY, Detroit & LA - Comparitive Music
histories' and generally find my 21- 25ish aged students love to be
introduced to 50s/60s/70s music and genres as long as the context and
development is explained. They certainly react positively and indeed
physically to pulsating sixties soul for example. I have to admit I
get deliberatly perverse at times whem I hit them with some pop
extremities which I do not expect them to like, but this is all part
of the understanding.
Many of my own childrens friend's regularly come and listen to items
from my collection - I reckon that my sons band may be the only UK
acts ever to have covered The Millennium's To Claudia...
Maybe us S'Pop's members owe it to the kids of today to expose them
to some of the great music that we love....
Just a thought...please excuse my meanderings..any thoughts from
others??
Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:42 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Knows Dripping
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Fender use make reverb units in the early 60s to get that "wet"
> sound for guitars. It was ideal for the surf bands that were
> springing up at the time. Later, guitarists use to search pawn shops
> for these units once the surf craze died and Fender stopped making
> them. Some would push the spring inside up so the unit didn't work
> and then try to get the pawn shop owner to sell them the "broken"
> unit at a lower price. Fender was reissuing them a few years ago.
Vinnie Bell, studio guitarist extraordinaire, frequently utilized the
'underwater' guitar sound. So much so in fact that his name often
comes up as the father of that sound. At least in some circles.
JB
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:32:39 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Tony Hatch on "Call Me"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> I interviewed Tony Hatch a while back ... Here's what the great man
> told me about "Call Me":
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Keely Smith was on US Reprise and her fiancé/boyfriend was Jimmy
> Bowen, who was a producer at the label. Reprise was distributed by
> Pye in the UK. Jimmy asked me to write a song which Keely could
> record with me in London. It was "Call Me", which we did Latin style
> with a big band. It was difficult working with another producer but
> we got through it. Knowing the record wasn't going to be released I
> asked Petula Clark to sing it on her first album after "Downtown".
> From that LP Chris Montez recorded it and it was a hit in the USA.
> Lulu also released a good version for Decca in the UK but it wasn't
> a hit."
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
Mick, You have convinced me completely. I hope one day some kind of
"demo" of Keely's "Call me" will show up.
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:57:39 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "My Coloring Book"/ Sandy Stewart
Artie Wayne:
> Country Paul...Gary...How ya'll doin'? I just wanted to add that
> Sandy Stewart was married to "Moose" Charlop who wrote "My Coloring
> Book".
Dear Artie, To the best of my knowledge "My Coloring Book" was
composed by John Kander and Fred Ebb. The song was originally written
for Kaye Ballard, who wanted to introduce it on Perry Como's TV-show.
The producers however, insisted that, since she was a comedienne, the
song would be out of character. The song then was turned over to
Sandy Stewart.
Mark "Moose" Charlap though, has composed some songs for "Peter Pan".
Joop greets
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:13:01 -0000
From: Ray
Subject: Re: Reparata & The Delrons tracklist
Rob Pingel wrote:
> Thanks for listing the tracks. The inclusion of "Shoes" by Reparata
> is a slight head-scratcher. The lead vocal is clearly a guy. Is
> there a story here?
That's pretty funny Rob. The first time I heard 'Shoes' I also
thought to myself "Why is her voice so deep?" Then I recognized it as
her "phone voice". I think it sounds that way because she is almost
talking the song in a very low register. In most of her other
recordings she needed to project her voice which created a very
different higher pitched sound.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:23:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris Schneider
Subject: Re: "My Coloring Book"
Artie Wayne wrote:
> I just wanted to add that Sandy Stewart was married to "Moose"
> Charlop, who wrote "My Coloring Book."
I thought it was written by John Kander & Fred Ebb.
Do mention, though, while you're at it, BILL Charlap -- Stewart and
Charlap's wonderfully talented pianist son. His Bernstein album is
first-rate
Chris
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:50:37 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Link Wray on Rollercoaster / Kathy Lynn
Phil X Milstein:
> ... a Link Wray & The Ray Men CD on Rollercoaster (who they?)
Rollercoaster is a long-established UK label. They are the legal
owners of the US Swan label. They have numerous Link Wray CDs in
catalogue.
> The cover art, as spotted at amazon.com, bears the earmarks (ouch!)
> of a bootleg
Amazon don't sell bootlegs.
Talking of Link Wray... Any experts out there? Apart from the 45 he
recorded with her, I'm itching to know how he and Kathy Lynn were
connected. Anyone know? I've yet to clap eyes on a photograph of
Kathy Lynn, with or without her Playboys. Can someone help?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:34:39 -0000
From: Jonathan Villegas
Subject: "The Disadvantages Of You" free MP3...
Hi All, Thought the group might be interested to hear some "new"
twists to some '60s music. UK label Cordelia Records' new release,
"Beyond The Sea", is a compilation album of some unusual covers done
surf-instro style. I'm the producer/arranger for the surf/instro rock
band "The Lost Boys of Penzance". We have a track on this album
(Track 21). Cordelia has also posted a FREE MP3 of our version of "The
Disadvantages of You". This tune was originally done by "The Brass
Ring" who contributed to "The Now Sound" of the 1960s. Phil Spector
fans might also be interested to know that one of the "Beyond The Sea"
album tracks is a version of "Then He Kissed Me" (originally by The
Crystals) done by "The Detonators". Complete info here:
http://cordelia.stayfree.co.uk/Pages/Beyond%20the%20Sea.htm
Thanks,
Jonathan Villegas
Arranger/Producer LBOP (www.lbop.net)
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:33:43 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: The Complete Cathy Carroll
David A. Young:
> That means that in addition to the four songs that appear here that
> I don't have on vinyl ("He's Famous," "Cry," "I'm Available,"
> and "If You Don't Know What You're Talking About"), I need to
> identify and locate (at least) four more sides in order to achieve
> my objective of arriving at "The Complete Cathy Carroll."
I know of a cd which has several Cathy tracks on it although these
may be the ones you already have. This 'grey area' cd is 'The Caroll
Girls Family' and consists of female atrists who have the surname of
Caroll so there's no relation thing going on here. 34 tracks on the
Marginal label and probably deleted. 7 by Cathy and all on the cd
you metioned previously. She's great though isn't she!
Mak M
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:55:51 -0700
From: Karl Ikola
Subject: B * * t l * g s
Previously:
> Amazon don't sell bootlegs.
This isn't true. There are plenty of legally dodgy releases that end
up in mainstream retail, both online and brick and mortar. Probably
the vast majority of them are obscure enough that people don't know
the difference. I've known of at least one case when Amazon carried a
bootleg CD (of an artist I've worked with recently, George Brigman),
until they were asked to pull it, which they did.
KI
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