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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Shirley Goodman of Shirley & Lee and Shirley & Co.
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Re: The Duchess, guitarist with Bo Diddley
From: Phil Milstein
3. Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
From: Eddy
4. Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
From: Joop
5. Re: the Pleasure Seekers
From: Mick Patrick
6. Re: Carpenters solo
From: Various
7. Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
From: Simon White
8. Bacharach & David's "Knowing When To Leave"
From: Richard Havers
9. Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
From: Hans Huss
10. Re: John Carter song - Midnight Girl
From: Mark Frumento
11. Who played what on the Carpenters disc.
From: Steve Harvey
12. Re: Bacharach & David's "Knowing When To Leave"
From: Mick Patrick
13. Re: Coke jingles in musica
From: Mike Rashkow
14. Re: Dolly Parton Gets Retro With Cover Tunes
From: Joop
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:51:41 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Shirley Goodman of Shirley & Lee and Shirley & Co.
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Sad to report that Shirley Goodman - of Shirley & Lee and, two
> decades later, Shirley & Co - passed away on June 19th. An obituary
> has been added to the S'pop Remembers section:
> http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/SGobit.htm
>
> In her honour, a version of "Oh Baby (We Got A Good Thing Going)",
> recorded by Shirley & Jessie (Jessie Hill) for Wand in 1966, is now
> playing at musica:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
>
> Please enjoy and, by all means, discuss.
>
> Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
One of the first recordings that captured my attention was the little-
known "I'm Gone" by Shirley & Lee. It was on Alladin. How long ago
was that? I had a 78 -- and baby that was all there was. I think RCA
was the only label releasing 45s at the time (circa 1953).
This site has some info: http://www.duvigneaud.net/Shirley_Lee.html
Another under-appreciated talent. She sang background on a number of
Dr. John recordings.
RIP
Rashkovksy
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:21:39 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: The Duchess, guitarist with Bo Diddley
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Sad to report that Norma-Jean Wofford, aka The Duchess, guitarist
> with Bo Diddley's band from 1962 to 1966, passed away on April
> 30th. An obituary has been posted to the S'pop Remembers section:
> http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/DuchessObit.htm
>
> In tribute to Norma-Jean, "Hey Bo Diddley", a live performance from
> the 1966 movie The Big TNT Show, is now playing at musica:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
>
> Please enjoy and, by all means, discuss.
>
> The Duchess, R.I.P.
Jack Russell:
> I saw the Duchess with Bo Diddley on an Everly Brothers tour, I
> think it was the tour when Don quit halfway through. Little Richard
> was on the bill, with the Rolling Stones closing the first half!
I never had the pleasure, alas. I think the Duchess and, later, Lady
Bo helped keep Bo honest onstage. From videos I've seen, his
appearances with either of his two female guitarists in his band
were incredibly dynamic and tight, whereas left to his devices
otherwise his shows have often lapsed into meandering blues, a style
at which Bo is utterly undistinguished.
Another thought: no Duchess, no Poison Ivy of The Cramps. Ivy (aka
Ivy Rorshach) might not have copped every guitar lick she knows from
the Duchess, but her stage moves and dress style were the stagecraft
equivalent of a note-for-note cover version.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:22:49 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Sad to report that Shirley Goodman - of Shirley & Lee and, two
> decades later, Shirley & Co - passed away on June 19th. An obituary
> has been added to the S'pop Remembers section:
> http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/SGobit.htm
>
> In her honour, a version of "Oh Baby (We Got A Good Thing Going)",
> recorded by Shirley & Jessie (Jessie Hill) for Wand in 1966, is now
> playing at musica:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
>
> Please enjoy and, by all means, discuss.
>
> Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
Phil X Milstein:
> I LOVE the Shirley & Jessie version of "Oh Baby (We Got A Good
> Thing Going)," now playing in musica. Shirley had a unique voice,
> but at times, especially on the upbeat material, she could really
> wail. The only other version of the song I'm familiar with is the
> Stones's, from their "Out Of Our Heads (And Everybody's)" LP (some
> versions of it, at least). I'm curious to know who wrote the song,
> and who cut it first? Also, is Jessie Jessie Hill, of "Ooh Poo Pah
> Do, Pt. 2" fame?
Phil, "Oh baby ... " is credited to a certain Ozen, aka Barbara
Lynn, who recorded the original version. Jessie is indeed Jessie
Hill. He had already been working with Shirley Goodman on Dr John's
Gris Gris album and both were in his live band The Nighttrippers.
Eddy
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:13:15 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> I LOVE the Shirley & Jessie version of "Oh Baby (We Got A Good
> Thing Going)," now playing in musica. Shirley had a unique voice,
> but at times, especially on the upbeat material, she could really
> wail. The only other version of the song I'm familiar with is the
> Stones's, from their "Out Of Our Heads (And Everybody's)" LP (some
> versions of it, at least). I'm curious to know who wrote the song,
> and who cut it first? Also, is Jessie Jessie Hill, of "Ooh Poo Pah
> Do, Pt. 2" fame?
Phil, "Oh Baby (We Got A Good Thing Going)" was written by Barbara
Lynn Ozen and she recorded her original version in 1964 on Jamie 1277.
http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/blynn.htm
http://nothinbutdablues.bizland.com/SpotlightDecember.chtml
According to the great book "The Originals" by Arnold Rypens there
were coverversions by:
-Rolling Stones (1965)
-Astronauts (1966)
-Nightcrawlers (1967)
-Clydie King (1968)
-The Blazers (1997)
-Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings (2000)
-Sue Foley (2000)
Joop greets
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:39:45 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: the Pleasure Seekers
Me, on:
> ... The Pleasure Seekers "If You Climb On The Tiger's Back" b/w
> "Theme From The Valley Of The Dolls", released on Capitol 2050
> in 1967. Are either of these tracks out on CD?
Harvey Williams:
> ... I have the 45 and can play it to Musica if no-one else has
> the inclination. Incidentally, I was under the impression that
> this band was a different Pleasure Seekers to the act who recorded
> for Mercury & Hideout (and featured Suzi Quatro) ...
Yes please Harvey, I'd love to hear both sides, as would the rest of
us, I reckon. Nothing I've ever read about Suzi Quatro has mentioned
this 45, so I guess you're probably correct about it being a
different group.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:28:46 -0400
From: Various
Subject: Re: Carpenters solo
One question, several answers, all the same. No more per-lease:
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Rashkovsky:
> Does anyone out there in wonderland know who played the guitar solo
> on the fade of The Carpenter's "Goodbye To Love"? I know that's a
> pretty esoteric question, but that solo has always knocked me out.
Tony Peluso?
Lloyd Davis
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Agreed! Richard "If I Were A" Carpenter answers Rashkow at:
http://www.richardandkarencarpenter.com/Album_ASongForYou.htm
--Phil M.
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Great record and great guitar. At the time I heard it was Dean Parks,
but I've since heard it was their regular touring guy, Tony Peluso,
and I believe Richard confirmed that on a PBS show.
gem
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Actually, that fabulous solo is by Tony Peluso, longtime guitarist on
Carpenters recordings...funny, when that song was released, there was
a HUGE backlash from long-time Carpenters fans about that solo,
claiming that Karen and Richard had gone "hard rock"...
Always spectropopping along,
Tracy Pernell
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Liner notes for the gold disc CD "Original Master Recording" release
of the LP 'A Song For You' state that Tony Peluso played the guitar
solo on this track. Richard says that Tony caught his ear when
playing in a group called Instant Joy which backed Mark Lindsay when
he opened for the Carpenters in 1971. Tony Peluso was also the voice
of the DJ in the oldies medley on their 'Now And Then' LP.
Antone
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It's in fact Tony Peluso, former leader of the Abstracts. Here from
Richard Carpenter site:
http://www.richardandkarencarpenter.com/SN_GoodbyeToLove.htm
"I wrote most of this melody while visiting London in 1971. As it is
chromatic in places, and employs lengthy phrases at times, it is
quite difficult to sing correctly. Karen, as always, performs it both
beautifully and effortlessly. While constructing the arrangement, I
pictured a melodic fuzz guitar solo, and knew just the guitarist I
wanted to employTony Peluso. Karen and I had met Tony in 1971 when
his band, Instant Joy, had backed Mark Lindsay, who had opened for us
on our spring tour. The resulting guitar solo is, in my opinion, one
of the best in recording history. Goodbye To Love went Top 10, but
did provoke some hate mail from people who claimed we had sold out,
and gone HARD ROCK!!!"
Tony Peluso also played the wonderful guitar part on Barbara Keith
cover of "All Along The Watchtower".
Stephane
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Tony Peluso.
Richard Havers
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On the DVD "The Carpenters --- Close to You," guitarist Tony Peluso
talks about how he was encouraged to play his over-the-top solo by
Richard Carpenter. He contends that this was the first time---but not
by a long shot---the last that this kind of solo was ever heard in
the context of what Peluso terms a "power ballad." More suitable,
perhaps, to an AC/DC track?
Carpenter recalls on the DVD that he was inspired to write the song,
with John Bettis, after seeing a '30s Bing Crosby movie, "Rhythm on
the River," in which a "great" song with the title "Goodbye to Love"
is mentioned throughout the film, but is never actually heard.
"Hmmm," thought Carpenter, "that's a good title. I think I'll write a
song to go with it."
Carpenter also said that even though "Goodbye to Love" charted Top
Ten, some fans were alienated by Peluso's solo and wrote letters to
the effect that the Carpenters had sold out. Then there were those
others who felt that the Carpenters, myself not among them, were
nothing but sell-outs in the first place.
Bill Reed
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According to Richard Carpenter the guitar player for that blistering
solo was Tony Peluso. To quote Richard:
"While constructing the arrangement, I "heard" a melodic fuzz guitar
solo and knew just the guitarist I wanted to employ: Tony Peluso.
Karen and I met Tony in 1971 when his band "Instant Joy" had backed
Mark Lindsay, who had opened for us on one of our tours. The
resulting guitar solo is, in my opinion, one of the best in recording
history."
Bob Wallis
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That great guitar-solo was played by Tony Peloso.
http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/carpenter/albums/a_song_for_you_lp.html
Great guitar-solo indeed Rashkovsky, but what do you think of the
"Intermission" closing theme that follows it. Great "tongue-in-cheek"
close-harmony.
Joop greets
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This must be Tony Peluso. In the brilliant Carpenters DVD "Close To
You - Remembering the Carpenters" he talks about how he "invented"
the guitar solo in Power Ballads with this song. Nice guy and an
extraordinary solo.
Frank J.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:43:30 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
I was very sad to hear of Shirley's death. I love the Shirley and Lee
records. Shirley's "Sarah Vaughn on helium" voice was always good
value. There's a re-recording of "Let The Good Times Roll" on
Warwick which is deeply eccentric and it's mainly down to Shirley's
voice. Her version of "When I Fall In Love" is extraordinary. The
duets throughout the Sixties all have a great naive quality - the
Shirley and Jessie (Hill) 45 on Wand is great. Her version of "Sugar
Sugar" is another oddity worth seeking out. "Shame Shame Shame' is
one of the greatest dance records of the 70's. Anyone who made great
records in three decades deserves our attention.
Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:25:27 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Bacharach & David's "Knowing When To Leave"
Joop wrote:
> Great guitar-solo indeed Rashkovsky, but what do you think of the
> "Intermission" closing theme that follows it. Great "tongue-in-
> cheek" close-harmony.
Joop, I love it! The Carpenters threw in a number of those little
close harmony fillers on their albums, going right back to the first
in 1969 with the beautiful 'Invocation' and 'Benediction'.
'Invocation' is very reminiscent of the Beach Boys' 'Our Prayer'.
There's the lovely reprise of 'Yesterday Once More' on 'The
Carpenters -Now & Then', which always strikes me as a great little
theme for what most of us in this group talk about.
"When I was young I'd listen to the radio.....so fine....so fine"
For my money their cover version of 'Ticket To Ride' is one of the
best Beatle covers. Creatively it seems to offer a whole lot more
than most covers do.
Question. The Carpenters Bacharach & David medley (on their 1971
album The Carpenters) starts with 'Knowing When To Leave.' Did the
Carpenters version predate Hugo Montenegro's version, and does
anyone know who the vocalists were on the latter's rendition? Who,
if it wasn't either of these two, did the first version?
Richard
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: Shirley Goodman, R.I.P.
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> The only other version of 'Oh Baby (We Got A Good Thing Goin''] I'm
> familiar with is the Stones's
Speaking of Shirley Goodman and the Rolling Stones, it's interesting
to note that the Stones cut Shirley & Company's 'Shame, Shame, Shame'
whilst recording the Black & Blue album in 1975. Never released,
except in bootleg form, the track features Billy Preston on
keyboards. (The Stones have played Jimmy Reed's 'Shame Shame Shame',
too, at least live, but that's a different story.) Although credited
to Sylvia Robinson, Donnie Elbert always claimed he wrote the song.
Elbert ended up releasing his own (slower) version, 'You're Gonna Cry
When I'm Gone' (on the Bradleys label in the UK), which is worth
trying to find. Haven't heard the Stones' version myself - it's on a
bootleg called "Jeff Beck: Jamming with the Rolling Stones", which
should be out there somewhere - but no doubt it sounds fine next
to 'Hot Stuff' and 'Fool To Cry'... In any case, Shirley Goodman's
version is a classic, albeit an unsung one.
Hasse Huss
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:32:12 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: John Carter song - Midnight Girl
Roberto wrote:
> The recent messages about John Carter sent me browsing among my
> records, where I found an Italian version of a nice if
> unexceptional Carter-Stephens song called Midnight Girl. The
> original came out in 1966 in England, and was sung by one Paul
> Craig, of whom I know nothing. I googled a bit but it seemms
> there's nothing about him, not even a record for sale or a
> compilation including this song. Can anybody help me with some info
> (and maybe an mp3)?
I played the track to musica.
Sadly Craig's version isn't all that good either. The original John
Carter demo is done in an acousitc, folky style - much more
appropriate than the released versions. In fact, when I heard the
original I thought it sounded a lot like a P.F. Sloan song.
Searching "Midnight Girl with "Paul Craig" there is a site that lists
it as a P.F. Sloan cover! So I guess I'm not alone in my thinking.
Hopefully Carter's version gets released in the future because it's
far superior and a real treat especially if you are a P.F. Sloan fan.
But, after all of my blather, I can't help you with Paul Craig. Sorry.
Mark F.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Who played what on the Carpenters disc.
Now we know about the guitar solo, but how many know that Karen was
the bassist on several cuts on their first album, Offering? Through
that website Richard answered my question as to what type of bass (a
knockoff of Macca's Hofner which Joe Olson gave her when they were
recording the Magic Lamp sides in his garage). He also mentioned
hearing the Wildweeds' "And When She Smiles" on the radio in the
early 70s while traveling to gigs. I always thought it was because
they both came from the same state.
Steve Harvey
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:32:21 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bacharach & David's "Knowing When To Leave"
Richard Havers:
> The Carpenters Bacharach & David medley (on their 1971 album
> The Carpenters) starts with 'Knowing When To Leave.' Did the
> Carpenters version predate Hugo Montenegro's version, and does
> anyone know who the vocalists were on the latter's rendition?
> Who, if it wasn't either of these two, did the first version?
The original version of "Knowing When To Leave" was by Jill O'Hara,
released in 1968 on the original cast album of "Promises, Promises"
(United Artists UAS 9902), Bacharach & David's Broadway musical
based on the movie The Apartment. The Hugo Montenegro version was
also from 1968, three years before the Carpenters.
Pardon me if this question has previously been asked and answered,
but is the "Promises, Promises" original cast LP available on CD?
If not, why not?
While I'm on a Burt'n'Hal kick, might I recommend Serene Dominic's
marvellous book, "Burt Bacharach: Song By Song", published by
Schirmer in 2003. This tome is written in a fabulously witty style,
yet is one of the best music reference books I have ever come
across. It's available for peanuts on Amazon. Serene Dominic looks
remarkably like Tony Hatch. Why I mention this fact, I'm unsure.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:25:01 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Coke jingles in musica
Julio:
> Could the voice making the speech at the end of the tracks be Jeff
> Barry's?
No--that's one of the then top DJ's in New York---if only I hadn't
lost my memory, I could tell you his name.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:57:02 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Dolly Parton Gets Retro With Cover Tunes
Phil, Mary Hopkin lends a hand on the title-track of "Those were the
days" by Dolly Parton as she is probably most associated with that
song. But the origins of it lie in Russia where it is performed in
1926 by Alexander Vertinsky with it's original title "DAROGAI DLI
MAYOU".
http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=1257
Joop greets
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