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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The original "It's My Party"
From: Joop
2. Re: "Dark End Of The Street"
From: Frank M
3. Re: Artie's web site
From: Clark Besch
4. Re: The original "It's My Party"
From: Don
5. Re: "Those Were The Days"
From: Joop
6. Lesley Gore's "The Look Of Love"
From: Anthony Parsons
7. Re: "Knowing When To Leave"
From: Phil X Milstein
8. What's A Matter Baby
From: Stephen C. Propes
9. When I'm Gone
From: Bill George
10. Re: "Moon River"
From: Paul Urbahns
11. Re: Carpenters
From: Various
12. Re: I Believe You / Hurting Each Other
From: Artie Wayne
13. Re: What's A Matter Baby / Ila Van
From: Dave Monroe
14. Re: Lesley Gore's "The Look Of Love"
From: Peter Andreasen
15. Re: What's A Matter Baby / Ila Vann
From: Mick Patrick
16. Re: I Believe In You
From: Joop
17. Bacharach & David's "Try To See It My Way"
From: Joop
18. Re: I Believe In You
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:56:02 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: The original "It's My Party"
Matt Spero:
> On yesterday's Biography show it was pointed out that Lesley Gore
> had recorded It's My Party within days of a version by The Crystals
> produced by Phil Spector. Does anyone have this version? I am
> really curious to hear it. If you have it please post it to musica.
Mick Patrick:
> I'd love to hear it too, but I'm not holding my breath. In the
> meantime, I put together an article about the origins of the song
> "It's My Party" for Sheila at Cha Cha Charming a while back, which
> you might care to give the once over. Find it here:
> http://www.chachacharming.com/article.php?id=16&pg=1
> Who knows, maybe Joop will have something extra to add.
Mick, I have nothing to add. This is songsearching to my heart.
The facts:
-Barbara English recorded a demo-version in 1962, which was not
released.
-The Blossoms recorded a version early 1963, which was not released.
-Helen Shapiro recorded a version february 1963, which was released
fall 1963 on her "Helen in Nashvile" album.
-Lesley Gore recorded a version on march 30th 1963, which was
released the next month.
Did I quote you correctly Mick.
By the way I own an album of Barbara Jean English from 1973 on the
Alithia-label. Is this the same Barbara English we're talking about'
Joop greets
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:55:26 +0100
From: Frank M
Subject: Re: "Dark End Of The Street"
Peter Lerner:
> Percy Sledge's is the ultimate version (of "Dark End Of The
> Street") for me. That man has a voice which can convey tragedy and
> pathos surpremely.
I would agree it is a tie for me betwwen James Carr and Percy Sledge.
As a long time Aretha fan I hate to admit her version of Dark End of
the street is not one of my favourites. But it is Over wrought.
FrankM
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:58:45 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Artie's web site
Artie Wayne wrote:
> P.S. Allan Rinde just told me that he added a guest book to my
> website. I'd be honored if all my Spectropoppin' pals would sign
> it. The direct URL is http://artiewayne.com/guestbook/
Artie, it was great to sign your guestbook. Heck, just seeing a
current pic of the beautiful Toni Wine is worth it!!
Good luck, Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:11:42 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: The original "It's My Party"
Mick Patrick:
> I put together an article about the origins of the song "It's My
> Party" for Sheila at Cha Cha Charming a while back, which you might
> care to give the once over. Find it here:
> http://www.chachacharming.com/article.php?id=16&pg=1
Nice article, thanks for the URL. How about some information on
Lesley's great tune, "The Look of Love". My favorite version is the
one that appears on the Raven compilation "Start The Party Again".
I can't understand why this version wasn't the hit. Can you give us
some information on the various versions?
Don
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:37:43 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "Those Were The Days"
Me:
> The origins of ("Those Were The Days") lie in Russia where it is
> performed in 1926 by Alexander Vertinsky with it's original title
> "DAROGAI DLI MAYOU":
> http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=1257
Dave Heasman:
> John Peel found this track, or one like it, in the BBC archives,
> and played it several times. Who wrote TWTD? How did he or she or
> they get to hear this Russian song?
Dave, The next site says much of the origins of the song:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pat.richmonds/mhfs.htm
Gene Raskin (the writer of the English lyrics) recorded a version in
1969 as part of the duo Gene & Francesca on the Tetragrammaton label
(Tetragrammaton T-124). Gene and Francesca also recorded an album for
the Elektra-label in 1958, but "Those were the days" was not on that
album:
http://www.atsf.co.uk/elektra/discography.php?from=350&to=850
Joop greets
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:05:31 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Lesley Gore's "The Look Of Love"
Don:
> How about some information on Lesley (Gore)'s great tune, "The Look
> of Love". My favorite version is the one that appears on the Raven
> compilation "Start The Party Again". I can't understand why this
> version wasn't the hit. Can you give us some information on the
> various versions?
I'll save Mick the trouble and answer this for you. The version of
Look Of Love on Start The Party Again is the original version from
Lesley's Girl Talk LP. When Mercury decided to release the tune as a
single in late 1964, Quincy Jones went back into the studio and over-
dubbed extra background vocals as well as sleigh bells and possibly
some other things. According to the liner notes from Lesley's Bear
Family box set, Quincy purposely used sleigh bells because he knew
the single would be released in December. The tune had been
originally recorded in July of 1964 at the same session which
produced Wonder Boy and Maybe I Know. This is the version which was
released as a single and therefore was the hit. The 45 version
appeared only on the single and on some of the pressings of Lesley's
Golden Hits LP. If Mick or anyone else has further information, I'd
love to hear it!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:21:57 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Knowing When To Leave"
Al Pavlow wrote:
> Regarding the Bacharach-David song "Knowing When to Leave"
> Here are some 45rpm versions issued in 1968 according to the
> Bacharach-David section in my soon-to-be-published "PRO-FILES
> Discographies":
> Michele Lee - Columbia 44698 (produced & arranged by Ernie Freeman)
> Gordon MacRae - Capitol 2329
> Sue Raney - Imperial 66340
> Doc Severinsen - Command 4125
I have taken the liberty of posting the Doc Severinsen version to my
Probe site, along with its flip, a rather Moog-laden version of the
"Barbarella" theme. For those who don't know, Severinsen is a
trumpeter who became famous as the bandleader for Johnny Carson
on "The Tonight Show." As per a common tradition on American TV (for
instance Sammy Spear on Jackie Gleason's CBS variety show), he was as
much known for his loud outfits as for his music.
Dig,
--Phil M.
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 05:49:02 -0000
From: Stephen C. Propes
Subject: What's A Matter Baby
I just came across a version of Ila Van's interesting version of
'What's A Matter Baby'...my query is simple: which version came
first, Van's or Timi Yuro's? (note: I ask this as the Van version
on Liberty has a later #, but it was a master buy). And does anyone
have info on Ila Van?
thanks for any help,
Steve Propes
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:58:06 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: When I'm Gone
Mike Miller writes:
> GAZETTE 8002 When I'm Gone / ??? same ??? by Lux
Can you tell me the first lines of this song? Jackie DeShannon
recorded a song of this title that was recently released on Rhino
Handmade, but the writer was unknown. Thanks.
Bill
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:41:04 -0400
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: "Moon River"
Gary Myers wrote:
> Yes, I already mentioned this in my response to the orig. post.
> Actually, Williams *never* had a chart single with the song. And, I
> saw him commenting on this on a TV talk show many yrs ago.
Actually Henry Mancini had a Top 3 song (on the Adult Contemporary
Chart) in Oct 1961. Andy Williams maynot have a chart single on the
song, but it is definately an Andy Williams hit because of the album
using that song as the title track, issued in 1962, and spent 176
weeks in the best seller charts. Besides if memory serves me
correctly, he performed the song on the Academy Award Show where
Henry Mancini got the award for best song of the year.
Here is info on his album from his official web site:
Label: Columbia. Record Number: CLP 1809 & CS 8609. Album Title: Moon
River And Other Great Movie Themes.
Song listing: Love Is A Many-Splendored Thing; A Summer Place; Maria;
Never On Sunday; As Time Goes By; The Exodus Song; Moon River;
Tonight; The Second Time Around; Tender Is The Night; It Might As Well
Be Spring; Three Coins In The Fountain. Format: Album.
Notes: His first Top 10 album earned a Gold record for sales from the
RIAA on 10/14/63. Album hit the Billboard chart on 5/12/62, peaked at
#3, and spent 176 weeks on the chart. Awards: Gold (Sales of 500,000
or more).
And a great song to boot!
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:32:53 -0600
From: Various
Subject: Re: Carpenters
>From various senders:
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Artie, Great story on the Carpenters. I believe that the Carpenters
"I believe you" was written by Dick and Don Addrisi. The Carpenters
version is from 1978, but it was recorded the year before by Dorothy
Moore:
http://www.richardandkarencarpenter.com/SN_IBelieveYou.htm
http://www.benmclane.com/addrisi.htm
"Hurting each other" is also a song much covered: After the
Carpenters hit-version in 1972 it was recorded by Percy Faith, Ray
Conniff, Andy Williams to name a few. But as you say it was recorded
in 1969 by Ruby & the Romantics. But the history of the song goes
even further back. The Walker Brothers cut a version in 1966. And
before that Guess Who released a version at the end of 1965 on
Scepter 12118. But the original version was released around the
summer of 1965 by Jimmy Clanton on Mala 500.
Joop greets
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Antone:
> If I Were A Carpenter, I'd let Karen sing the leads too!
I have always enjoyed listening to T.I.M.E. A solo release of
Richard's from 1987. That said, Karen was the singer.
Keith
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The one Richard-lead that sticks out in my mind is "Druscilla Penny"
from the fine LP "Carpenters". That LP by the way was the one with
the great Bacharach-medley that is recently posted about here.
Lastly, that Lp featured the song that in my opinion could have been
a Carpenters Top 10 Classic had it been put out as a single--"Let Me
Be The One".
Tony
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Artie Wayne wrote:
> ..."Hurting Each Other" [Geld/Udell] to Al Stanton, head of A+R at
> A+M. Al loved the idea [he cut an earlier version with Ruby and the
> Romantics] and passed it along to Jack Daugherty, who cut the
> number one record. I even got them to record Neil Young's "I
> Believe You", which wasn't a typical Carpenter song, to help with
> the new image.
So that's what you were doing back in the day! Did you mention to the
Downey duo that the Guess Who had also covered "Hurting Each Other"?
Actually Neil Young wasn't that much of a stretch since Karen and
Richard had done "Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing" by the Buffalo
Springfield. They were hipper than many thought. Even use to do the
Wildweeds.
My connection with the Carpenters was getting them to finally admit
that they record the Magic Lamp single. I'd gotten it from Crecenzo
Capece Jr. (sorry if I mangled your name cat - shoulda check the
liner notes on that 4 Seasons CD) who lived in Brooklyn and turned me
onto the Astronauts. He also had the only copy of the Who as the High
Numbers single I'd ever seen in real life plastic. For two years the
fan club, record company, and the Carps denied that they'd ever made
any such record. Karen even told me they had only ever recorded for
A&M. Not true.
Steve Harvey
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Just took a look on the backcover of "Ticket To Ride". The musician
credits read Joe Osborn and Bob Messinger as bass players but the
liner notes state that Karen played bass on two cuts (would be
interesting if one hears on which) and of course drums on all. Btw,
they cut Neil Young's "Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing" already on
their first LP. They were definitely down with the Canyon people.
Frank Jastfelder
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Steve, You're right. Karen played bass on "All Of My Life" and "Eve"
on the "Ticket to ride" album.
http://carponline.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=albums&action=display&thread=1080547671
Joop greets
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I for myself also judge "I kept on loving you" as one of the best (if
not the best) Carpenters song. I love Richard's voice and find it
pretty distinctive. Has anyone heard the recent version sung by
ADMIRAL ACHILLES. It is featured on "información e turismo" - a great
compilation on spanish indie-pop label Siesta. I would highly
recommend the album for it features a lot of interesting cover
versions of music from the Spectropop territory.
Krischan
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: I Believe You / Hurting Each Other
Joop...How ya'doin'? The Carpenters might have cut my friends, Dick
and Don Addrissi's song, "I Believe You" in 1978, but in 1974 they
cut Niel Youngs' "I Believe You". I remember even Niel's manager,
David Geffen, was surprised and impressed when we played it for him.
As far as "Hurting Each Other" goes, My partner Kelli Ross and I
started administering Peter Udell and Gary Geld's publishing
companies in 1968. Before that, my friend Ed Silvers, who was running
Scepter's pubberies, was responsible for most of the cover versions
that you mention.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:46:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: What's A Matter Baby / Ila Van
Steve Propes wrote:
> I just came across a version of Ila Van's interesting version of
> 'What's A Matter Baby'...my query is simple: which version came
> first, Van's or Timi Yuro's? (note: I ask this as the Van version
> on Liberty has a later #, but it was a master buy). And does anyone
> have info on Ila Van?
Unfortunately, http://www.ilavann.com/ seems to be down at the
moment, the cached copy Google coughs up is blank, and I can't find
much else online. This is apparently from that home page, however:
Ila Vann - Legendary soul and R&B performer Vann has worked with:
Mahalia Jackson, The Staple Singers, Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers,
The Pilgrim Travellers, The Blind Boys, Salome Bey, Louis Armstrong
http://www.fuzzster.com/f/show/fl/608194.html
Apparently, though, she's still performing. Here's a brief note on a
recent performance:
"... Ila Vann, who often plays Brandees, electrified the crowd. 'When
she came on the stage, there were 800 people on their feet cheering,'
Waugh said. 'It was amazing.' Halfway through her set, Aykroyd, whose
home won’t be affected by the water supply, took the stage with Vann
and the band and finished with a set of blues standards."
http://tinyurl.com/7q5mu
http://www.artsnews.ca/MusicForm.html
That's Dan Aykroyd, of SNL/Blues Brothers fame (Cathie Waugh was one
of the show's organizers, a benefit for a Canadian village's water
treatment system). Brandee's is a club in Kingston, Ontario, where she
apparently currently performs every Wednesday:
http://www.downtownhub.com/Entertainment_-29495.html
http://www.downtownhub.com/Location_-29494.html
There are various other Canadian gigs listed as well, and she's
linked to a Kingston "Local Musicians" page:
http://www.thinkkingston.com/musicians/
So I'm guessing she's Canadian, at least, at least now she is. But
I'm curious as well, having recently picked up two copies of one of
her 45's, both white Roulette labels, but even looking at some titles
online, I can't recall offhand what they are (and I've been playing
out at least one side, so ...). Help!
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:00:15 -0000
From: Peter Andreasen
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore's "The Look Of Love"
Antone:
> The version of Look Of Love on Start The Party Again is the
> original version from Lesley's Girl Talk LP. When Mercury decided
> to release the tune as a single in late 1964, Quincy Jones went
> back into the studio and over-dubbed extra background vocals as
> well as sleigh bells and possibly some other things.
It´s clearly good old Ellie on those added back-up vocals - I just
love that woman.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:18:16 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: What's A Matter Baby / Ila Vann
Steve Propes wrote:
> I just came across a version of Ila Van's interesting version of
> 'What's A Matter Baby'...my query is simple: which version came
> first, Van's or Timi Yuro's? (note: I ask this as the Van version
> on Liberty has a later #, but it was a master buy). And does anyone
> have info on Ila Van?
Dave Monroe:
> Unfortunately, http://www.ilavann.com/ seems to be down at the
> moment, the cached copy Google coughs up is blank, and I can't find
> much else online.
Try this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030410034753/http://www.ilavann.com/
And to track down other defunct websites, try this one:
http://web.archive.org
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:14:26 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: I Believe In You
Artie Wayne wrote:
> The Carpenters might have cut my friends, Dick and Don Addrissi's
> song, "I Believe You" in 1978, but in 1974 they cut Neil Young's "I
> Believe In You". I remember even Neil's manager, David Geffen, was
> surprised and impressed when we played it for him.
Artie, You make me curious. I know Neil Young recorded a song "I
believe in you" in 1970 for his album "After the goldrush", that was
covered by Rita Cooldge in 1971 and by Linda Ronstadt in 1973. But I
can't find any Carpenters recording. Are you referring to an
unreleased recording ?
Joop greets
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:33:47 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Bacharach & David's "Try To See It My Way"
Big Al Pavlow wrote:
> Regarding the Bacharach-David song "Knowing When to Leave". Here
> are some 45rpm versions issued in 1968 according to the Bacharach-
> David section in my soon-to-be-published "PRO-FILES Discographies":
> Michele Lee - Columbia 44698 (produced & arranged by Ernie Freeman);
> Gordon MacRae - Capitol 2329; Sue Raney - Imperial 66340; Doc
> Severinsen - Command 4125.
Hi Al, When I overlooked my singles-collection, I found another Sue
Raney single written by Bacharach/David. The song in question is "Try
to see it my way". On the 45 (Imperial 66222) it says: "From the ABC
TV special "On the flip side". This single was released at the end of
1966. Peggy March also released a version of this song at the end of
1966. But can anyone tell me from which year (and month to be
precisely) this TV special "On the flip side" was and who were the
performers.
Joop greets from over Europe
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:41:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: I Believe In You
Joop...How ya' Doin'? The Carpenters cover of Neil Young's "I Believe
in You" may never have been released...I just assumed it was. I guess
the legend is true...If Joop can't find it, it probably doesn't exist!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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