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There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Patti Dahlstrom / Emotion
From: Anthony Parsons
2. Betty Willis photos
From: Tony Reichardt
3. Re: Lesley Gore's "Summer & Sandy"
From: Anthony Parsons
4. Re: C on P.D.
From: Phil X Milstein
5. Re: The Laurie Johnson Orchestra "Love That Bomb"
From: Steve Crump
6. Reparata & the Delrons
From: Mick Patrick
7. Re: (Mc)Calla
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Re: Royalties to the right people
From: Artie Wayne
9. Artist guess re demo of "Here I Am"
From: Rob Pingel
10. Re: The Fleetwoods
From: Phil Hall
11. Re: The Orlons on ABC
From: Stefano
12. Re: "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"
From: Jens Koch
13. Bob Denver, Requiecscat in Pace ...
From: Dave Monroe
14. Dolly Parton; RecordMaster; 45rpm history; Wildweeds
From: Country Paul
15. Re: Les Braid 1937-2005
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
16. Artie's guestbook; amazing Elektra discog
From: Country Paul
17. Cameo, Calla, and.....Moon Shot?
From: S.J. Dibai
18. Re: Nate McCalla
From: Mike Rashkow
19. Re: Cameo, Calla, and.....Moon Shot?
From: James Botticelli
20. Ventures
From: Gary Myers
21. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Starpoint Radio
From: Simon White
22. Sonia Rivera; Free Tokens/Toys concert!; Johnnies Thunder(s)
From: Country Paul
23. The Victorians
From: Richard Price
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:15:06 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Patti Dahlstrom / Emotion
Artie Wayne, you never cease to blow my mind with practically every post you make to
Spectropop! It seems that you have some connection, either major or ancillary, to just
about everyone whose music I've ever loved. I did know that Emotion was originally a
French song, I even knew in the dim recesses of my mind that the original title was
Amoreuse, but I did not know that the original artist was Veronique Sanson (thanks, Joop!).
Thank you, Artie, for giving us the full story on the evolution of Emotion and Patti's
involvement. You say about a year went by between Patti's version and Helen Reddy's, but
Patti's was still getting radio play, at least in the Muscle Shoals Alabama market, just a few
months before Helen's version was released. A while back you mentioned Paul Anka's version
of your own Flashback, which was cut in Muscle Shoals and produced by Rick Hall. Ironically
though, it was the Fifth Dimension's version that garnered all the airplay in Muscle Shoals,
while Paul's version was ignored. Usually the radio jocks in that area would give major play
to anything recorded there, but in that case they didn't.
I'm hoping that I'll be able to get musica to function properly so I can download Patti's
Emotion, since I foolishly never bought the 45. But I strongly remember her version and how
much 'emotion' she put into it. It was by far the best version of the song I ever heard, and I
have heard a few over the years. Now, let's all wish REAL hard for a CD compilation of the
incredible Patti Dahlstrom!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 05:06:50 -0000
From: Tony Reichardt
Subject: Betty Willis photos
I have located and posted the 25 year old snapshots from June 2nd,
1981 when I was at Medley's in Fountain Valley, California with Betty
Willis to see Darlene Love perform. I was happy to see that there
was an interest in my old friend Betty Willis after my lengthy story
was posted. I know that she would be thrilled and yet still
dumbfounded that there would be an interest in her and of her music
after all of these years.
As I said before, I was told by a friend of hers that she was living near
her daughter Stephanie, north of Los Angeles. The friend of Betty's
who I spoke to was a woman named Connie, who appeared to be about
40 years old and had known Betty all of her life. I happened to have
photocopies of Betty's 45s that I showed to Connie and she was so
surprised and had no idea that Betty had made those recordings
since Betty never even mentioned to her that she had a musical past.
This really doesn't surprise me, because before I met her when working
for the post office, none of her other co-workers knew about her past
recording experience either until I pried it out of her. I remember that
the she enjoyed some of the attention that she started to receive from
this, but that after a while it seemed to make her a little uneasy.
Anyway, I left my name and phone number with Connie and a note for
Betty that said I was looking for her and wanted to see her. Connie
said that she would let me know when she sees Betty again but I plan
to go and see her anyway this week just to see if Betty has turned
up at all.
Thanks again to all for your interest.
Tony Reichardt
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:45:51 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore's "Summer & Sandy"
Jimmy Botticelli wrote:
> I was listening to my Rhino Lesley Gore CD today and in particular
> "Summer & Sandy", penned by Bob Crewe. GREAT song. Sadly there was
> precious little bass on it and I was wondering if something happened
> during the recording session as Rhino/Bill Inglot always seem to get
> it right. I could hear a swingin' walking bassline in the background
> during the chorus and was bummed it didn't make the final cut with
> more volume on the Rhino reissue.
The difference is another classic case of stereo versus mono. The original 45 was
in mono, which sounds superb. It was mixed in stereo for Lesley's Magic Colors LP,
which sadly was never released. That considerably weakened stereo mix has turned
up on all of Lesley's CD releases with one happy exception. The original mono mix
can be found on the Australian label Raven's excellent Lesley compilation Start The
Party Again. In my opinion, this version is even stronger than the original 45 was
and has a VERY beefy bass. Check it out and see if you don't agree.
I recommended this CD to another Lesley fan in a recent post who had the same
complaint about her recording of Small Talk (see message 30959).
Always happy to discuss and promote Lesley Gore,
Antone
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:01:15 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: C on P.D.
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Joop...How ya' doin'? In the United States, a traditional song, that
> falls into the public domain, can be adapted and copyrighted. Just
> like Teddy Vann did with"Loop de Loop", which I knew as a nursery
> rhyme.
In such cases, Artie, is it not the arrangement (as opposed to melody)
which gets copyrighted?
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:40:00 -0000
From: Steve Crump
Subject: Re: The Laurie Johnson Orchestra "Love That Bomb"
Mick Patrick:
> Does anyone out there have a copy of "Theme From Doctor Strangelove"
> by the Laurie Johnson Orchestra, released as a single on US Colpix
> 723 in 1964? Actually, it's the b-side, "LOVE THAT BOMB", in which
> I'm interested. I believe it's a vocal. The UK version of the single
> has a different B-side, btw. Maybe "Love That Bomb" is available on
> LP or CD? Does anyone know, because I'm gagging to hear the track.
Apparently it's credited to Dr Stangelove and The Fallouts:
"Love That Bomb" written by Carter - DeWitt. I don't have the single,
but this song appears on the new Bear Family set called Atomic
Platters. Does this help?
Here's more info via Google:
In 1964, the group recorded "Love That Bomb" for the motion picture
Dr. Strangelove while continuing to record unsuccessfully for Diamond.
The "group" referred to is the Bobettes.
Now, being a soundtrack collector I realise that their vocal may or
may not have appeared in the film and it may or may not be on your
Colpix single Dr Strangelove and the Fallouts sounds like it may be
a male group, but you never know!
Steve
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:44:27 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Reparata & the Delrons
Previously:
> I guess you'll be interested in one of Ace's pending releases,
> then -- a 30-tracker entitled "The Best Of Reparata & The Delrons".
> It'll be out at the end of August. Is anyone interested in seeing
> an advance copy of the track list?
Peter Lerner:
> Yes, please!
It's out now - my copy arrived this morning. The Ace website has
been updated too, so you can read more about it here:
http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=4668
Talking of girl groups - I spy Honey & the Bees on the front cover
of another of this month's releases. Check it out here:
http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=4667
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:02:49 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: (Mc)Calla
Hans Huss wrote:
> McCalla, a tough character supposedly, died under mysterious
> circumstances, it is said. What if he had known that one of the tunes
> he released, Bob Marley's 'One Love', in 1999 would be designated
> 'Song of the Century' by the BBC?
Absolutely wild. In the record business, one just never knows what
might become of a property, does one?
Does anyone know what McCalla did before starting Calla?
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Royalties to the right people
Joop...Hans...How ya' doin'? I couldn't agree with you
more, it's time that royalties were given to the right
people.
I never knew the sad story behind "The Lion Sleeps
Tonight, one of the world's most valuble copyrights.
Like most people, I always thought it a was a folk
song that fell into the public domain.
As an African-American, it's incomprehensible to me
that the composer, Solomon Linda,a Black South African
was denied the monies due him, because at the
time, under the rules of apartheid, Blacks weren't
allowed to earn royalties.
As a songwriter and publisher for 45 years, it's truly
sad to know that Linda never earned a penny from his
classic song and died in poverty.
There have been a few times in America, when it was
discovered that a hit song, thought to be in the
public domain, really wasn't public domain after all.
I remember in the early '60s, when "Walk Right In" by
the Rooftop Singers was #1. Two members of the group
who said that they adapted the song from an old folk
song were confronted at one of their personal
appearances by Gus Cannon, an old bluesman who claimed
to have written the song 20 years earlier! After doing
some research, they realized they had made a mistake,
and without a threat of litigation, they generously shared
their success and the copyright with Cannon.
I know that many positive sociological changes have
been made in South Africa, but it's time to right a
few more wrongs, so something like what happened to
Solomon Linda will never happen again.
Regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:29:23 -0000
From: Rob Pingel
Subject: Artist guess re demo of "Here I Am"
I'm not absolutely sure, but it sounds a lot like Lesley Miller. The fact that
Mark Barkan co-wrote the song also lends some credibility to the guess. Miller
also recorded the Barkan-Raleigh composition "Once A Fool".
Rob Pingel
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:50:18 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: Re: The Fleetwoods
Dennis Hoban wrote:
> Yes, The Fleetwoods. My favorite song of theirs is "Mr. Blue".
> What's criminal in my eyes is they aren't in the Rock Hall of Fame.
> I think it's because of an anti-Washington State bias in the
> judges' parts. Where are the Wailers? The Ventures?
I agree with you 100%. In the case of The Fleetwoods, I'm sure it's because their star
burned too briefly. Their first hit was in 1959, and they had disbanded by 1963. Like
everything else, I'm sure there's politics involved in the Rock Hall of Fame, and some
very deserving artists have no hope of even being considered.
Phil H.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:53:09 -0700
From: Stefano
Subject: Re: The Orlons on ABC
Hasse Huss on the Orlons at ABC:
> Two in fact, 'Keep Your Hands Off My Baby'/'Everything' (ABC 10894)
> and 'Once Upon A Time'/'Kissin' Time' (ABC 10948), both released in
> 1967. None charted. 'Baby', incidentally, is not the Little Eva
> song, but 'Kissin' Time' is a cover of Bobby Rydell's 1959 hit.
> 'Everything', in a slow, Motown groove, is particularly nice.
Thanks for that post. Do you happen to know if "Everything" is
available on CD? I have been looking for it for some time.
Stefano
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:35:45 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"
>From Hans Huss:
> Joop's link had some mistakes, here is the correct one:
> http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c====t_upd_show&id==@98
It may be the correct link now, but it still leads to "Error occurred
while processing request". Any chance that the information could be
copied and pasted into a mail, if not to the whole group, at least
privately to jenskoch@stofanet.dk
Jens
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Bob Denver, Requiecscat in Pace ...
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Bob Denver, whose portrayal of goofy
first mate Gilligan on the 1960s television show "Gilligan's Island"
made him an iconic figure to generations of TV viewers, has died, his
agent confirmed Tuesday. He was 70....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/06/denver.obit.ap/index.html
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:48:58 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Dolly Parton; RecordMaster; 45rpm history; Wildweeds
Back to catching up...Phil M. posted:
> Dolly Parton Gets Retro With Cover Tunes This AP story might be of
> some Spectrointerest.
It certainly interests me. Ever since I saw her early in her career
I've been a fan. I may not love everything she does, but I love that
she does it. She has followed her own muse and succeeded
phenomenally. This CD can't help be but interesting; I'll bet it will
be a lot more than that. Thanks for the heads-up.
Orion:
> This is not a plug for www.recordmaster.com, but I was wondering
> if anyone uses this site? It is a $25 annual fee but the last time
> I subscribed, it seemed to have a good deal of information about
> groups and or labels. At that time I believe it was aimed at 45s
> but was supposedly going to start including LPs. Does anyone know
> if they have added anything recently?....
I used to check it out when it was free, but found a fair number of
omissions. However, I think they are valuable, and am also
contemplating subscribing in the not-too-distant future. If anyone
subscribes first, please post a comment; I'd like to know how they're
doing.
Rashkovsky:
> One of the first recordings that captured my attention was the
> little-known "I'm Gone" by Shirley & Lee. It was on Alladin.
> How long ago was that? I had a 78 -- and baby that was all there
> was. I think RCA was the only label releasing 45s at the time.
> This site has some info: http://www.duvigneaud.net/Shirley_Lee.html
Mike, the site claims the record came out in 1952. By the way, 45s
were also available on Columbia and many other labels. There is a
book on the history of the 45 rpm by Phil Voutsis, "The Fabulous
Victrola 45 With Price Guide" http://tinyurl.com/cluz9 which has a
history of those little phonographs that played it, as well as a
knowledgeable capsule history of the development of the 45 by The
Sarnoff Labs (RCA). I have a photo of myself holding the first
commercially-released 45 (from RCA-Victor in 1949, actually a
children's record) which I'll try to get scanned and posted. FYI,
initially RCA pressed each category of music they handled on
different colored vinyl exclusive to that style. Pop was black vinyl
and classical was, of course, red; the labels matched. Within a year
or so, all the vinyl went to black (with exceptions) but the label
classifications remained color-coloded for a while. Even in the mid-
60s, DJ copies of pop records were sent out with yellow backgrounds,
while country records went out on light green.
Steve Harvey:
> [Richard Carpenter] also mentioned hearing the Wildweeds' "And
> When She Smiles" on the radio in the early 70s while traveling
> to gigs. I always thought it was because they both came from the
> same state.
The record (on Vanguard) was a massive hit in Connecticut, where both
the Carpenters and the Wildweeds resided.
Country Paul
(chronically catching up)
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Les Braid 1937-2005
Steve Jones wrote:
> Informative obit of Les Braid, bass guitarist and founder of The
> Swinging Blue Jeans, here:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,1560095,00.html
Tomorrow night KLDK lpfm, Dixon NM will feature a mini tribute to Les
Braid, HHS, You're No Good and two B-sides.
Einar
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:44:20 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Artie's guestbook; amazing Elektra discog
Artie Wayne wrote:
> P.S. Allan Rinde just told me that he added a guest book to my
> website. I'd be honored if all my Spectropoppin' pals would sign
> it. The direct URL is http://artiewayne.com/guestbook/
Artie, I'd love to sign in but I was "disallowed" tonight. I'll try
again soon.
In connection with "Those Were The Days," Joop leads us to
http://www.atsf.co.uk/elektra/discography.php?from=350&to=850, which
when searched to its root, http://www.atsf.co.uk/elektra/index.html
brings one to The Elektra discography! What a find - thanks, Joop!
Country Paul
(just finishing up August on the "catch-up" march)
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:40:11 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Cameo, Calla, and.....Moon Shot?
Many thanks to those of you who cleared up the Cameo/Calla mystery
for me. Now, here's another chapter: why is The Delfonics' "He Don't
Really Love You," which was issued on the Moon Shot label, on the
Cameo-Parkway box set? I've seen a copy of that 45 which says it was
distributed by Calla--what?!? Distributed by a label that apparently
didn't even distribute itself? And was there a difference in
distributor between the original 1967 release and the 1968 reissue?
Ever so confused,
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:57:16 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Nate McCalla
Phil M:
> Does anyone know what (Nate) McCalla did before starting Calla?
According to my information he was a military special forces type--
his nickname was "Sarge". Prior to forming Calla I have heard that
he worked in customer relations for Morris Levy. You may read
between the lines--or search the archives for more explicit language
in a previous post.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:57:42 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Cameo, Calla, and.....Moon Shot?
S.J. Dibai wrote:
> Many thanks to those of you who cleared up the Cameo/Calla mystery
> for me. Now, here's another chapter: why is The Delfonics' "He Don't
> Really Love You," which was issued on the Moon Shot label, on the
> Cameo-Parkway box set? I've seen a copy of that 45 which says it was
> distributed by Calla--what?!? Distributed by a label that apparently
> didn't even distribute itself? And was there a difference in
> distributor between the original 1967 release and the 1968 reissue?
To make matters worse SJ, The Delfonics' "You've Been Untrue" WAS
released on Cameo-Parkway either prior to or following "He Don't
Really Love You." Add to that the confusing label Moonshot also had
records on Chicago group The Vontastics.... Maybe it was a boot label
or yet another obscure indie soul label. I've never seen a pop rekkid
on it. Anyone have the poop on Moonshot?
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:07:20 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Ventures
Previously:
> What's criminal in my eyes is they aren't in the Rock Hall of Fame.
To me, the most notable omission in the RnRHOF is the Ventures! "Walk
Don't Run" influenced every young drummer and guitarist at that time,
and for years many young bands tried to sound like the Ventures. I
believe they are the biggest selling guitar-based r'n'r instrumental
group ever.
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:04:26 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Starpoint Radio
Hey all, I'm back! .... with the return of
THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW on Starpoint Radio
Wednesdays at 1.30 pm - 3.30pm GMT
http://www.starpointradio.com/
60s, Northern and 70s soul.
Be there or be square!
Simon White
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:16:02 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Sonia Rivera; Free Tokens/Toys concert!; Johnnies Thunder(s)
Mick Patrick:
> I think the Valentinos made other records too, but we should be
> careful not to confuse them with the SAR outfit. The name Sonia
> Rivera is very familiar to me. I'm sure she was also in other
> groups, but my memory has let me down. I'll keep thinking, but in
> the meantime I've posted "He's A Rebel" to musica. Enjoy:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
I did enjopy; thanks. And I believe i mentioned before that her most
recent musical incarnation was a "Little Philomenia," "Isidore's
mother" in "Little Isidore & The Inquisitors" www.littleisidore.com .
The group has broken up, but their CDs remain the best 50s-60s r&b
never released in the 50s and 60s, and Philomena/Sonia's take on The
Elchords "Peppermint Stick" is amazing! (You can hear all the words,
and yes, the Elchords were indeed saying what you think they were
saying!)
Rodney Rawlings:
> There is massive great info about "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and
> "A Lover's Concerto" in this article I have found....[H]ere's a
> link: http://tinyurl.com/ba96m
The most "massive great info" is that Jay Siegel & The Tokens and
Barbara Harris of The Toys will be performing for FREE on Wednesday
(Sept. 7) in Hoboken, NJ. Details are in the article.
Tom Diehl wrote:
> Johnny Thunders (who had a hit on Diamond Records with Loop De Loop
> in 1962, which was in the same building as Roulette in NY) had a
> record on Calla called I'm Alive, it was written and produced by
> Tommy James, and from what I understand, the backing music is the
> music from a Tommy James and the Shondells recording.
Small correction: Johnny Thunder (no S) is the Spectropop-era artist
in discussion here. Johnny Thunders (with an S) was a punk musician
in the '70s. (As Joe Friday said on Dragnet, "Just the facts, ma'am.")
Country Paul
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:42:24 -0000
From: Richard Price
Subject: The Victorians
Has anyone heard the song "You're Invited To A Party" by The
Victorians? They have the Spector "Wall Of Sound". Is It out
on CD?
Rich
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