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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Burt Bacharach interview
From: Hans Huss
2. Al Casey - no, not that one
From: Dan Nowicki
3. Re: The World Again
From: Simon White
4. Re: The Penthouse
From: Frank Jastfelder
5. Mark Wirtz, Jimmy Page, Caroline Munro, etc.
From: Scott Swanson
6. Re: The Penthouse
From: Anthony Parsons
7. Re: Rock 'n' Roll City album
From: Ron Sauer
8. Colossus and Dutch product
From: Paul Rusling
9. Re: Colossus Records
From: Hans Huss
10. Help - need artist name from musica
From: Chris
11. Looking for a CD by Bobby Vee
From: Bill
12. Re: Eric Clapton & Mark Wirtz
From: Eddy
13. "Penthouse" singer
From: Mike Edwards
14. Re: The McKinleys
From: Michael Robson
15. Re: Jerry Ross reconnection
From: Artie Wayne
16. Re: Rock 'n' Roll City album
From: ACJ
17. Re: The McKinleys
From: Will Stos
18. Re: Eric Clapton & Mark Wirtz
From: Kurt Benbenek
19. Re: Mark Wirtz, Jimmy Page, Caroline Munro, etc.
From: Mark Wirtz
20. Lesley Gore in Northampton, MA
From: Baba Bling
21. Re: Colossus Records
From: Margaret G. Still
22. Re: Colossus Records and the Dutch Connection
From: Joop
23. Who did "Penthouse"
From: Diane K Sutter
24. Re: Burt Bacharach interview
From: Mark Wirtz
25. lyrical quandary
From: Dennis Hoban
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Burt Bacharach interview
I think many Spectropoppers will enjoy John Walsh's Burt Bacharach
interview in today's (15 September) online edition of the Independent:
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/article312673.ece
Hasse Huss
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12:13 EDT
From: Dan Nowicki
Subject: Al Casey - no, not that one
Country Paul:
> Al Casey, the jazz guitarist who played with Fats Waller, died at
> 89 earlier this week. I am assuming that's a different Al Casey
> than the "Surfin' Hootenanny" artist. Do I assume correctly?
You assume correctly, although there has been a lot of confusion
between the two over the years in terms of mixed-up royalty checks,
etc. The Al Casey who became a boss session guitarist after playing
with Sanford Clark and Duane Eddy (and who charted nationally with
"Surfin' Hootenanny") is Alvin W. Casey. The much older Al Casey who
played with Fats Waller was Albert Aloysius Casey. Their biographies
and discographies often get combined, so beware. Even a 1997 book
published by Billboard Books titled "The Golden Age of Rock
Instrumentals" erroneously assumes the two were the same guy and
merges their stories in a ridiculous way.
Dan Nowicki
Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:16:22 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: The World Again
Hans Huss mentioned:
> MARK JOHNSON (Diamond 237): The Beautiful Place/Ode To Otis Redding
> and Honey Townsend's 'The World Again' (Mala 540)
"The Beautiful Place" has 'jungle' animal noises on it and to the
best of my memory "The World Again" is just the instrumental backing
track without the animals noises. So I don't know what Honey Townsend
actually DID on the record. Maybe she was the animal's trainer? I
remember reading once there were SEVENTEEN different recordings all
using this same backing track. I ain't gonna count 'em up tho !
Simon White
Sit on a potato pan, Otis
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:17:23 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: The Penthouse
Diane wrote:
> Not wanting to wear out my welcome, but, can anyone give me the name
> of the woman who did "Penthouse", the theme from the 1967 British
> flick of the same name? Fake sitar and all...!
This must be Donna Marie. The song has been posted last year on musica.
Frank Jastfelder
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:54:29 -0700
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Mark Wirtz, Jimmy Page, Caroline Munro, etc.
Mark Wirtz writes:
> What has complicated matters, are the various erroneous reports
> about who played on what during the years, some of their faulty
> specifics I read or heard so often that, even though not correct,
> I ended up believing them myself.
Mark, As for Jimmy Page, I do recall you stating that you used him
on your sessions with Russ Loader and Jackie Lynton. I think you
may have also mentioned using Jimmy on Caroline Munro's "Sporting
Life" but I'm not sure. I find the Russ Loader connection to be
particularly interesting, because Page was apparently so enamored
with Loader's "Trying Too Hard" (a Beach Boys-ish song that would
have fit right in at Immediate Records -- Page's employer at the
time) that he decided to produce his own version. It was never
released.
Also, last year I asked Derek Lawrence (via email) about the Wirtz/
Jimmy Page connection, and he could not recall utilizing Page on
his sessions. Perhaps his memory isn't as sharp as Mark's?
Oh, one more thing before I sign off: unless Mr. Wirtz tells me
otherwise, I will go to my grave convinced that Jimmy played the
fuzz guitar parts on Jan Panter's "Scratch My Back". :)
Regards,
Scott
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:40:22 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: The Penthouse
Diane wrote:
> Not wanting to wear out my welcome, but, can anyone give me the name
> of the woman who did "Penthouse", the theme from the 1967 British
> flick of the same name? Fake sitar and all...!
Hi Diane: Hopefully someone else can help you with the name of the
singer. A quick check of the Internet Movie Database reveals
original music by John Hawksworth and lyrics to a song called "World
Full Of Lonely Men" by Hal Shaper, credited in the movie as Harold
Shaper. Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:39:25 -0000
From: Ron Sauer
Subject: Re: Rock 'n' Roll City album
Nick Archer wrote:
> I recently found a cassette album called Rock 'n Roll City that I
> bought at Radio Shack in 1983. The cover has a picture of Mike
> Love and Dean Torrence. It's copyright 1983 Hitbound Records and
> Radio Shack.
This cassette was sold at Radio Shack stores. It was a cassette only
release I believe, although I did find a LP version later. They were
all new recordings. The Beach Boys version of "California Dreamin"
is different than the one they eventually released as a single. No
Roger McGuinn. I believe Mike Love sang lead on this one, but not
the single. The Association version of "Walk Away Renee" was
produced by Curt Becher (Boettcher) and I think it is a great
version. I Believe this was later reissued under the title "Listen
to the Air" without "California Dreamin" but I may be wrong.
Ron
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:56:57 +0100
From: Paul Rusling
Subject: Colossus and Dutch product
Phil Milstein asked about Shocking Blue and others being released on
Colossus. I recall Joost de Draaijer (Radio Veronica DJ and owner
of 'Red Bullet') claiming some of the credit for this - brokering a
deal between Pink Elephasnt Records and Collosus. Larry Page (the
singing rage) may have been involved too; he licensed a lot of the
same stuff for his then new UK label Penny Farthing, including
Shocking Blue, the Tee Set and the even more 'sonic-sational' Earth
and Fire.
Paulk Rusling
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: Colossus Records
Previously:
> Also, did Colossus release records by acts OTHER than Dutch ones?
Yes, quite a few. The Duprees, under the name The Italian Asphalt &
Pavement Company, had 'Check Yourself' (Colossus 110, # 97 POP in
1970), a cover of a non-charting 1967 single by the Intruders (Gamble
204) (a Gamble-Huff tune, if I remember correctly). I.A.P.C.'s is
actually the better version. Also nice is Virgil Henry (Gil
Blanding), 'I'll Be True' (Colossus 102) (1969), a fine slice of NYC
soul. Philadelphia foursome the Festivals, who had recorded for Smash
and Blue Rock previously, cut three singles for the label,
particularly nice is the first one, 'You're Gonna Make It' (Colossus
122, # 28 R&B in 1970). Of the later releases, the Devonnes, 'I'm
Gonna Pick Up My Toys (And Go Home)' (Colossus 142) (1971) is a nice,
vaguely Motownish girl group dancer.
A Colossus discography can be found at this link:
http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/colossus.htm
Hasse Huss
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:37:31 -0000
From: Chris
Subject: Help - need artist name from musica
Last year there was a song on musica - male vocal - with a title like
"I Ain't Got Nothin' At All" (Everybody's got a little somethin'/
Everybody's got something nice/Everybody's got a little somethin'/But
I ain't got nothin' at all...) - I saved it to disc but the computer
the file was on was stolen and I didn't write down the artist and
title. Can someone help me? Yes, I did a search on the messages but
nothing came up...
Thanks again,
Chris
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:35:43 -0700
From: Bill
Subject: Looking for a CD by Bobby Vee
Recently I saw a CD by Bobby Vee called "The Singles Collection
1959 - 1980". Has anyone seen this disk?
Bill
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:23:22 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Eric Clapton & Mark Wirtz
Mark Wirtz:
> Also, a lot of their performances were "ghost" performances that
> were strategically hidden from the public in order to protect the
> official performer's, or band's, credibility. Hence, for a long
> time, people believed that all those now famous, idiosyncratic,
> lead guitar parts and solos on Beatles records were played by
> George Harrison.
Am I being naive here or does this George Harrison remark come as
much as a surprise to others as it does to me?! I suppose
"strategically hidden" is the keyword here, but I don't think I've
ever heard of a stand in for Harrison on the Beatles recordings,
except for Clapton's solo on While my guitar gentle weeps. Wanna
give us the scoop here Mark...?
Eddy
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:38:34 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: "Penthouse" singer
Diane asks:
> Not wanting to wear out my welcome, but, can anyone give me the
> name of the woman who did "Penthouse", the theme from the 1967
> British flick of the same name? Fake sitar and all...!
Lisa Shane, who was Barbra Streisand's stand-by for the London
production of Funny Girl. On disc, she covered Jackie DeShannon's
"Come And Get Me" (UK Pye, 1966).
Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:56:16 +0100
From: Michael Robson
Subject: Re: The McKinleys
Phil Hall wrote:
> One 60's group I really enjoy that I NEVER hear about is the
> Scottish girls, The McKinleys. I only have five songs by them.
> "Someone Cares For Me" should have been a hit, and some of the
> others are very good also.
Here is a full discography should anyone ever get round to a
compilation one day:
McKINLEYS, THE
45 COLUMBIA DB 7230 (1964)
A. SOMEONE CARES FOR ME
B. A MILLION MILES AWAY
McKINLEYS, THE
45 COLUMBIA DB 7310 (1964)
A. WHEN HE COMES ALONG
B. THEN I'LL KNOW IT'S LOVE
McKINLEYS, THE
45 PARLOPHONE R 5211 (1964)
A. SWEET AND TENDER ROMANCE
B. THAT LONELY FEELING
McKINLEYS, THE
45 COLUMBIA DB 7583 (1965)
A. GIVE HIM MY LOVE
B. ONCE MORE
McKINLEYS, THE
45 (REISSUE) SPARK SRL 1078 (1964/1972)
A. SOMEONE CARES FOR ME
B. A MILLION MILES AWAY
and a few German only 45s:
McKINLAY SISTERS, THE
45 (GERMAN PS) FONTANA 269 353 TF (1967)
A. BYE, BYE, BYE (I WANT YOU)
B. WAS KANN ICH DAFUR (HOW CAN I EXPLAIN)
McKINLAYS, THE
45 (GERMAN PS) FONTANA 269 404 TF (1968)
A. GROSSE KATASTROPHE
B. WIE ALL DIE ANDERN
and a solo outing:
McKINLAY, SHEILA
45 (GERMAN PS) SPARK 10 195 AT (1971)
A. I REMEMBER
B. SUNDAY NIGHT SCHOOL GIRL
"Sweet and Tender Romance", "Someone Cares for Me" and "Give Him My
Love" are also on "Dream Babes Vol 3 - Backcomb 'n' Beat" (RPM
CD), "When He Comes Along" and "That Lonely Feeling" are on "Dream
Babes Vol 4 - Go Girl" (RPM CD) and "Grosse Katastrophe" and "Bye,
Bye, Bye" are on the German only CD, 1000 Nadelstiche (Amerikaner &
Briten Singen Deutsch) Volume 10 - UK Girls (BEAR FAMILY CD).
Anything else I've missed???
MICHAEL CLUNKIE
clunk click every flip
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Jerry Ross reconnection
Phil...How ya' doin'? I will try to get the information you asked
for on Shocking Blue, whose "Venus" topped the charts in the U.S.
on Jerry Ross' Colossus records.
After the recent discussion of Jerry, who also produced smash hits
by Keith, Spanky and Our Gang, Bobby Hebb, Jay and the Techniques,
I was shocked and happy to get an e-mail from him!
After not seeing my old friend and songwriting partner for 20 years,
I'm happy to report that he's well, living in Philadelphia and still
in the buisness! He's licensing his old hits as well as other
clients material. You can check out his website:
http://www.phillyoldies.com
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:51:30 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: Rock 'n' Roll City album
For Nick Archer, and all others interested: The Association interview
in the October 12, 1984 issue of Goldmne magazine - which I've quoted
here before - mentions the Rock'n' Roll City album near its end.
Quote:
GOLDMINE: "Walk Away Renee" on the Rock 'n' Roll City tape was
produced by Curt Boettcher. How did you reassociate with him?
JULES ALEXANDER: I hadn't seen Curt in years. This writer from England
came over to interview me, and he told me that he was a close friend
of Curt's. So, we began to hang out together. When the opportunity to
record again came up from Mike Love, Curt suggested we do the song.
Curt's really into high techno-pop.The only instrument on "Walk Away
Renee" is a piano; everything else is synthesized.
GOLDMINE: Will there be more recordings in the future?
JULES: Yes. We've just signed a long and involved deal with Hitbound
Productions. We're just beginning to see all the possibilities for our
music today.
Unquote.
ACJ
"Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg
U.P. GROOVES!:
http://community.webtv.net/andrucharlz/UPGROOVESTheUpper
OR http://makeashorterlink.com/?P3D352CBB
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:07:11 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: The McKinleys
Phil Hall wrote:
> One 60's group I really enjoy that I NEVER hear about is the
> Scottish girls, The McKinleys. I only have five songs by them.
> "Someone Cares For Me" should have been a hit, and some of the
> others are very good also.
My favourite is "When He Comes Along." A great cut! One of the RPM
compilation series has a number of tracks by them (which may be the
tracks you have) and I think a couple of other tracks are included
on other comps, but to my knowledge there is no McKinleys CD. Do
they have enough tracks to fill one?
Will : )
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:03:57 -0000
From: Kurt Benbenek
Subject: Re: Eric Clapton & Mark Wirtz
Mark, You've aroused my curiosity... I know Clapton played lead
on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and Lennon (and McCartney) often
played lead guitar parts in the studio. But...exactly what other
"ghost performers" played "idiosyncratic, lead guitar parts and
solos" on Beatles records? This is the first time I've heard this.
thanks
Kurt Benbenek
Long Beach, CA
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:44:42 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz, Jimmy Page, Caroline Munro, etc.
Scott Swanson wrote:
> Also, last year I asked Derek Lawrence (via email) about the Wirtz/
> Jimmy Page connection, and he could not recall utilizing Page on
> his sessions. Perhaps his memory isn't as sharp as Mark's?
Chuckle, chuckle... now THAT's funny. Because it was Derek who, in
fact, first introduced me to Jimmy (as well as Nicky Hopkins) in 1965
on an R&B session at Levy's Studios for Mercury Records (US), to
which he had invited both to play on, and for which I had written
the charts (yep, I am quite an R&B aficionado -- even had a #1 US R&B
hit that nobody in the UK knows about, LOL!).
Another player about whom Derek was nuts, was Richie Blackmore. Derek
and Richie obviously stuck together for a long time and had a very
successful association with Deep Purple. It's definitely time for
good old Derek to pop some brain Viagra!
Just to make matters more complex -- it is quite possible, even most
likely, that Jimmy played on my Kim Fowley session for the track
"Lights." Now THAT combination will have been Kismet!
> Oh, one more thing before I sign off: unless Mr. Wirtz tells me
> otherwise, I will go to my grave convinced that Jimmy played the
> fuzz guitar parts on Jan Panter's "Scratch My Back". :)
Very possible. The reason why I wouldn't know anything about that,
though, is because I didn't produce that record. None of the stuff I
produced with Jan was, in fact, ever released until one of the
tracks was finally included in r.p.m.'s "Fantastic Story...." comp on
me. It was on a Jan Panter session, by the way, when - at the
recommendation of Vick Flick and Big Jim Sullivan, I worked together
with the Breakaways for the first time. That reminds me of the piece
on my Breakaway recollections and anecdotes that I still owe Mick
Patrick -- hang in there, Mick (if you are reading this), it's coming!
Back to JP -- So far as I remember, songwriter/producer Johnny Worth
(or was it John Schroeder? Nope, that's for whom I arranged the "Dale
Ann" session... whew...) asked me for a release of Jan's contract, so
that he could produce her as one of his first artists for Pye
Records. ... Wait a minute... or, could it be that he (as a return
courtesy) hired me as an arranger for that session? Hmmm... perhaps I
need some of that brain Viagra myself! Bottom line, Scott, you may be
right after all...! !
Nothing like coming to Spectropop to learn about myself! LOL
Very best,
Mark
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Baba Bling
Subject: Lesley Gore in Northampton, MA
This, from the Berkshire Eagle, on Lesley Gore's upcoming Iron
Horse show in Northampton, MA this Friday:
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/search/ci_3028771
>From Mike Errico's site, shots of SUPER-Lesley Gore fan with 3 LG
tattoos on his arm:
http://s105652794.onlinehome.us/gallery/LesleyGoreGallery
Finally, from Mike Errico's fall report:
LESLEY ON WORLD CAFE WITH DAVID DYE, Thursday, September 29:
Hear Mike and the band back Lesley as she performs songs from Ever
Since on this acclaimed program, distributed nationally to over 185
stations across the country.
INFO: http://www.worldcafe.org/comingup.php
LESLEY GORE
“You know what I’m going to say when people ask me what I’ve been
doing for 30 years? ‘Practicing.’”
A wry smile crosses Lesley Gore’s face as she answers, both out of
respect for the artistic process she is eternally engaged in, and
out of the confidence that her “practice” has been paying off all
along. Every time she steps on stage, and with every phrase of her
new album, Ever Since, she answers joyfully, furiously, generously,
and completely. This has been time well spent.
The most commercially successful solo artist of the “Girl Group”
era of the ‘60s, Gore quickly set herself apart. With a string of
Quincy Jones-produced, chart-topping hits, including “It’s My
Party,” “Judy’s Turn To Cry,” and “You Don’t Own Me,” she
introduced the world to a brilliant artist with pop instincts and
an independent spirit that stood out against the formulaic
offerings on the radio. A full-fledged star by age 16, her smash
hits rang like anthems for young American women, and pointed the
way for future generations of rabble-rousing pop singers from
Debbie Harry, to Pat Benatar, to Madonna, to Gwen Stefani—all of
whom remain in her debt.
Having maintained a constant touring schedule in major venues
across the country, Lesley Gore is no less committed today. Her
voice, now burnished from the years of “practice”, deepens
everything it touches with the hard-won wisdom of time, and in her
care, songs take on new levels of meaning that less experienced
artists cannot yet reach. On “Not The First,” (written by Gore),
she warns a friend about the perils of blind love (“you’re not the
first/ to think you’ll be the last,”), but could just as easily be
warning Avril Lavigne about the perils of the music business. When
she lilts, “All the parties I’ve been to/ you were missed” (“Ever
Since”), she draws listeners back to her #1 hit, “It’s My Party,”
while ushering them gracefully forward into the new world she now
inhabits.
Produced by Blake Morgan, Ever Since is a timeless collection of
classic songs placed in a transparent, pin-lit setting that allows
her to shine. Included are re-imagined versions of two Lesley Gore
standards, "You Don't Own Me" and the Academy Award–nominated
"Out Here On My Own" (from Fame), seamlessly interwoven with new
songs written by national recording artists Mike Errico, Blake
Morgan, and Gore herself. The band—Jonathan Ellinghaus (drums), John
Turner (bass), Mike Errico (guitars) and Blake Morgan (piano)—
features the core rhythm section of Engine Company Records, and
provides a lush setting for Lesley's astonishing vocals. Mixing and
mastering duties are shared between Morgan and 2005 Grammy Award
winner Phil Nicolo.
Ever Since is a Lesley Gore postcard, sent from the journey she’d
always said she was going to take. Fans who have traveled with her
will have a new reason to love her, and the people who haven’t
checked in with her in a while will fall in love all over again.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:25:03 -0000
From: Margaret G. Still
Subject: Re: Colossus Records
Previously:
> Also, did Colossus release records by acts OTHER than Dutch ones?
Also, Crystal Mansion (from either New Jersey or L.A.?) recorded
James Taylor's "Carolina in My Mind" on Colossus.
Best,
Margaret G. Still
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:49:54 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Colossus Records and the Dutch Connection
Phil, Jerry Ross must have been fond of those Dutch groups you
mentioned cause he recorded a version of Shocking Blue's "Venus"
himself in 1970.
http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/colossus.htm
But there were also German groups on his label: Kannibal Komix for
example.
Somewhere I read that the Janus-label (that also released a great
deal of European artists) had some connections with Jerry Ross's
Colossus label.
Joop greets
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:08:18 -0000
From: Diane K Sutter
Subject: Who did "Penthouse"
Hi gang,
Yes! Right you are again, pres! It is Donna Marie. Thank you! God, I
haven't heard that in years!
Diane
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:49:47 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach interview
Hans Huss wrote:
> I think many Spectropoppers will enjoy John Walsh's Burt Bacharach
> interview in today's (15 September) online edition of the Independent:
> http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/article312673.ece
What a cool, no B.S., article and interview! Thank you for pointing it out.
Beyond some great insights into "Hip-Hop Burt, 2005," it made me feel ever so
good that there are actually some active music makers out there who are even
older than me. Wohey!
So, I think I'm gonna write me a new tune! Mind you, I think I'll stay away
from politics, or trying to change the world -- I can still cause enough
trouble without going *there* ;)
Best,
Mark
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:17:48 -0700
From: Dennis Hoban
Subject: lyrical quandary
Thanks, Bob, Regina, et al for your quick responses to my questions
about Gary (U.S.) Bonds and Caroline Munro. Now I've another question:
Does anyone know the first song and songwriter to use the phrase
"hot rod"?
My first guess was maybe Brian Wilson or Chuck Berry. Shows how little
I know. The earliest I can come up with is "Hey Good Lookin'" by Hank
Williams: "I got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill / And I know a
spot right over the hill."
Thanks bunches,
Dennis
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