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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Brooks Arthur
From: Martin Roberts
2. Re: Vinnie Bell
From: Chris Mezzolesta
3. Re: The Mack is dead
From: Mike Rashkow
4. Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
From: Phil X Milstein
5. Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
From: Bob Celli
6. Re: Papa Do Run Da Run
From: Bill George
7. Sounds Spectorious; Temptations
From: Country Paul
8. Re: John Schroeder
From: Mark Wirtz
9. Re: Papa Doo Run Run
From: Various
10. Re: The (early) Association
From: Michel Gignac
11. Re: The Mosaics
From: Sean
12. Burt Bacharach; Charlie Ryan; The C-P Tempttions
From: Country Paul
13. Re: Brooks Arthur
From: Rob Pingel
14. Al Kooper on NPR
From: Rex Strother
15. Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
From: Jens Koch
16. Couch Potato Alert
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:58:31 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Brooks Arthur
Mick Patrick wrote:
> ... I've spent the day researching the career of Brooks Arthur,
> like you do. Which leads me to ask if anyone out there has
> copies of the following records: ... If so, I'd really like to
> know who wrote the songs. It seems likely that Brooks Arthur
> was involved in them all. Maybe some kind soul can confirm, or
> otherwise.
Hi Mick, I know there is no point in telling you how to suck eggs.
As useful but equally frustrating as the BMI site is when it comes
to accurate(ish) info you can't beat the records. I have three
from your list:
> "History Of Love" Jimmy Velvet (ABC 10488, 1963)
Is not written by Brooks Arthur but by Tennant, Carpenter and
Morgan.
> "The Heartaches Are Here To Stay" Rosalie Altar (Harmon 1006)
Is written by Brooks Arthur and Alan Lorber. It's 'An Eddie Newmark
- Fred Edwards Production', arranged and conducted Alan Lorber.
> "Memories, Memories" Joanie Sommers (W/Bros 5339)
My copy is actually on a Japanese album "Johnny Get Angry". It's
another Brooks Arthur and Alan Lorber comp.
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:11:28 -0400
From: Chris Mezzolesta
Subject: Re: Vinnie Bell
Mike Rashkow wrote:
> Vinnie (Bell) actually did record every one of the songs mentioned
> in the various posts--as well as creating the definitive version
> of Hava Nagila for underwater guitar played under the influence.
What a bootleg compilation this would make! Take all the video
footage, pull off the audio, do a little digital NR on the mono
tracks, and "Voila" (or is that Viola), "Bell Mitzvah"! Also
featuring "Rocky Top", "Bad Bad Leroy Brown" and "God Only Knows".
I first heard of him thru an ex-business partner of mine who was
supposedly involved in heavy jingle work in NYC in the 60s and 70s,
he was partners with Frank Gari ("Utopia", 1959 I think) and regaled
me with tales of the studio and the players in those days...was he
blowing smoke or does anyone have anything on Gari et. al.?
Chris/Power Salad
my comedy music at http://www.powersalad.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:34:02 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: The Mack is dead
Previously:
> Just heard of the sad news and thought this might be worth
> mentioning here. Willie Hutch got only 59 years old and died
> already last Monday in his house in Dallas, Texas as
> "Billboard" reported.
Found this from his bio:
"In 1964, his debut single, "Love Has Put Me Down," was released
by Soul City Records. His music soon caught the attention of The
5th Dimension, which recorded several of his songs."
This is intriguing to me--I own "Love Has put Me Down" (Willie
Hutchison) by The Phonetics on H-E-D records. Arranged and
conducted by Nate Griffin. Prod by: Wayne/Beal.
Eddie Beal (mistakenly called Eddie Bill in the Darlene Love bio)
was a friend and he invited me to the recording session--Gold
Star with Larry Levine. I think it was the second session I ever
saw. My memory is that Willie played vibes on that--is it
possible?????
I wonder if it is the same exact record or a redo. I think the
year 1964 is right. Anyone know who the listed artist was on the
Soul City release?
If begged appropriately, I might play it to Musica, though it is
such a pain.
The record I own can be bought at a fair price on GEMM by the
way.
No la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:45:22 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
Jens Koch wrote:
> I've seen it too. Martin Scorsese has wisely decided to keep
> himself out of the picture this time, compared to "Last Waltz".
Blame the coke for his "Last Waltz" appearances. Scorcese at best
talks too fast for anyone other than New Yorkers (for their ability
to grasp his accent, that is; not for their supposedly heightened
sophistication!) to be able to keep up with him, but in that movie
his speech is off the scale.
> Dylan himself is interviewed throughout and offers very little
> about himself (so what else is new?), but when he does open up a
> little he displays his great way of saying important things
> compressed in few words or sentences that is so well known from
> songs and recently from Chronicles.
Well put, Jens. I haven't quite finished reading "Chronicles" yet,
but so far have found Dylan's language in it as utterly inspiring
as his songwriting, if only for his choice of at times even single,
individual words.
> You nearly get the impression that he's a modest man in saying
> that he did not create anything special in pop history, but then
> at the end he actually manages to say that whatever he did it
> came very easy to him.
The recent (Sept. '05), Dylan-themed issue of Mojo mag includes a
fascinating interview with him conducted by the longtime L.A. Times
music writer Robert Hilburn, excerpted to specifically address
Dylan's comments about his own songwriting process. I think anyone
who's ever wondered about that will find it must-read (although I
recommend skipping the issue's other central feature, the celebrity
commentaries on favorite Dylan songs, which I found insipid).
I wonder if Dylan's recent interest in visiting (if only in
typically idiosyncratic fashion) his legacy represents his way of
accepting, finally, the mantle of Eternal Legend, or only a more
efficient way than hosting a yardsale to turn an attic-cleansing
into cash.
> ... The clarity in his statements does not however translate to
> actually hearing what he mumbles in speech.
Seems like a movie that might, for that reason among others, benefit
from repeated viewings. I eagerly await seeing it myself.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:36:22 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
I donated some photos of Bobby Vee and the Shadows for that film.
Were any shown, and was Dylan's stint in Vee's band mentioned?
Bob Celli
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:48:09 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Papa Do Run Da Run
I have a 45 by Papa Do Run Da Run from the 70s. I remember seeing
them when I was a kid at an amusement park. Can anyone tell me if
they had any connection to the Beach Boys or Jan and Dean, or if
they were simply a tribute-type band. Thanks.
Bill
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:00:18 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Sounds Spectorious; Temptations
Robert Indart:
> I came across a 45 from a group called Kenny and the Impacts on DCP
> Records arranged by Teddy Randazzo and Composed by Kenny Seymore
> (The lead singer). I notice the song was published by Spectorious
> Music. My question is this the same Spectorious that released a
> Arlene Smith record in the early sixties that is usually at least
> in the internet as a Phil Spector Production?
Somewhere in my collection is an instrumental by Sounds Spectorious,
but I forget what song it is. Any connection int his puzzle?
Regina Litman:
> On the Cameo Parkway Box Set...there's a song called "Birds N'
> Bees" by a group called the Temptations. This song has a very
> Buddy Holly-like sound to it. It is obviously not the Motown
> Temptations, but it also doesn't sound like a typical doo-wop
> group from New York. Is this a third Temptations, or did the
> "Barbara" group adopt this atypical sound somewhere along the
> line?
Regina, as I am catching up again, I may be answering an already
answered question, but I asked the same thing earlier. In my opnion
- simply from listening - the lead singer sounds like the same guy
on "Barbara" (more accurately phonetically transcribed as "Bawbwa";
I hear traces of the New York accent. Country-sounding rock from
NYC is not unheard of; Tom & Jerry (Simon & Garfunkel)'s "Hey
Schoolgirl" owes a lot to the Everlys. And Philly is less than 90
miles from New York, so, while not local, it wouldn't be unheard of
for the group to hop a train and record in Philly.
Country Paul
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:48:03 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: John Schroeder
Alan V Karr wrote:
> Did Mark Wirtz and Schroeder work together at all while (John)
> Schroeder was at Oriole.
I never had any political association with Oriole directly, but,
during my early days as an independent producer, I worked (literally)
across the street from the Oriole's record company offices at
Oriole's Bond Street "Levy's" recording studio. It was here where
I first met and got to know John, who was one of my idol songwriters.
Nevertheless, despite occasional social contact, we never actually
worked together on any projects. Not surprising, mind you,
considering we were competitors. Friendly competitors, to be sure,
but competitors nevertheless.
Best,
Mark
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:29:08 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Papa Doo Run Run
Bill George wrote:
> I have a 45 by Papa Do Run Da Run from the 70s. I remember seeing
> them when I was a kid at an amusement park. Can anyone tell me if
> they had any connection to the Beach Boys or Jan and Dean, or if
> they were simply a tribute-type band. Thanks.
Do you mean Papa Doo Run Run? If so, that band (which has had an
evolving membership over the years) is a tribute band, but several
members of the Beach Boys' and Jan and Dean's backing bands have
been members, and Mike Love did some vocals on one of their albums.
Bruce Johnston also produced their first CD. Randell Kirsch
(currently in Mike Love's Beach Boys) was a long-time member, Jeff
Foskett (formerly of the Beach Boys' backing band, currently with
Brian Wilson's) is a member, and Adrian Baker (touring Beach Boys
member off and on over the last 20 years) joined them when Kirsch
left to join Love's band. See http://papadoo.com (warning - doesn't
like non IE browsers at all).
--
DUMB ANGEL HAS UPDATED 13/8/05!
http://dumbangel.keenspace.com
A webcomic about Smile
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Bill, I think they were J&D's backup band throughout 80's at least.
Clark Besch
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I was on a show once that included both Papa Do Run Run (I didn't
think that "da" was in there) and Dean Torrence, and I think he may
have been managing them.
gem
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They became Jan and Dean's backup band for a few years around 1980.
Tom Taber
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 03:58:35 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: The (early) Association
S.J. Dibai wrote:
> Their first single was actually "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You"/"Baby,
> Can't You Hear Me Call Your Name" (Jubilee 5505, 6/65--B-side is
> not the same song as "You Hear Me Call Your Name" from their
> "Renaissance" album).
S.J., I've always thought that "Baby, Can't You Hear Me Call Your
Name" was the same song as "You Hear Me Call Your Name". Is the
single title out on CD? If not, would it be possible for you to
upload it into musica? I would like to hear it, but we surely
can't buy it anywhere.
Michel
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:37:36 -0000
From: Sean
Subject: Re: The Mosaics
Kingsley Abbott wrote:
> I don't seem to be able to find anything about them either,
> though I do have a demo of the record. One of the few Brit
> Surf/Drag records of that era that made it to the A Side! The
> old and revered Forbidden Fruit publications suggest that they
> may have been linked to Mood Mosaic, but I'm almost certain not
> (Mark W could probably confirm this). All I can say is that
> from what I have is that they don't seem to have issued any
> others at the time.
So you definetely think they are English, not American? I also
thought I detected signs of an English accent, but wasn't positive.
I'm hoping someone has an old magazine with an article on them?
They seemed too talented not to have recorded more. I hope Mr.
Wirtz can confirm, as I expect also, that there is no relation to
Mood Mosaic?
Nick Archer:
> All I know is that I want to hear it in musica.
Yeah, I'd like to hear "Run Shaker Life" by Paul Nicholas, if
anyone could post that to Musica?
Sean
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:15:30 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Burt Bacharach; Charlie Ryan; The C-P Tempttions
Hans Huss mentioned:
> John Walsh's Burt Bacharach interview in today's (15 September)
> online edition of the Independent:
> http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/article312673.ece
Interestingly, on the heels of this afternoon (Sunday 9/25/05)
Gaylord Fields of WFMU played the original Broadway cast version
of "I'll Never Fall In Love Again" sung by Jill O'Hara and the
late Jerry Orbach. I'd never heard that version before; it cast
the song in a whole new light, and was wonderful. Recommended if
you can find it. (The article's very interesting, too; Mr.
Bacharach has had quite a life so far. I guess it's true that
you're never too old to rock & roll. Thanks, Hasse.)
Dennis re: "hot rod" in lyrics traces its first use to Hank
Williams. Williams did record "Hey Good Lookin'" in the early
'50s, but Charlie Ryan claims to have written "Hot Rod Lincoln"
in 1950, although it wasn't recorded until 1955 and released
until 1957 (on 4-Star). The song is better known today in the
1972 Commander Cody version (on Paramount) and also the 1988
Asleep At The Wheel version. Amazingly, Charlie Ryan is still
alive and booking gigs at age 90 (eclipsing Burt Bacharach by
eight years). He released his latest CD in 2002, and has a
website: http://www.hot-rod-lincoln.com/ (from whence some of
this information came) including a photo of "the" Hot Rod
Lincoln. The internet certainly is a cool place....
Fred Clemens:
> The Temptations group on Parkway were of course not the Motown
> group, nor the Goldisc group. The Temptations in question were
> actually the first to use the name, beginning in 1956 and first
> recording in 1958 for the Savoy label.
Thanks for the info, Fred. (And this after I made a fool of
myself speculating that they were the Goldisc crew.) I think
their track is one of most interesting on the C-P box set, not
just because it's good but because it's so unexpected as well.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:53:20 -0000
From: Rob Pingel
Subject: Re: Brooks Arthur
Mick Patrick wrote:
> ... I've spent the day researching the career of Brooks Arthur,
> like you do. Which leads me to ask if anyone out there has
> copies of the following records: ... If so, I'd really like to
> know who wrote the songs. It seems likely that Brooks Arthur
> was involved in them all. Maybe some kind soul can confirm, or
> otherwise.
Mick, I don't have the records, but BMI lists Brooks Arthur as
the writer on all of them. Co-writers listed after each song.
Anything Your Little Heart Desires (Helen Miller)
At the Edge of Tears (Paul Kaufman)
Gotta Give My Teardrops a Chance to Dry (Alan Lorber)
History of Love (Norman Mann)
Johnny Doesn't Talk Much (Art Kaplan and Paul Kaufman)
Memories, Memories (Alan Lorber)
My Locket Lost a Picture (Gloria Adele Regney)
My Love Keeps Walkin' Away (Alan Lorber)
The Heartaches Are Here To Stay (Alan Lorber)
They Call Me the Fool (Art Kaplan and Paul Kaufman)
Year and a Day (Art Kaplan and Paul Kaufman)
On second thought, I might have the Judy Scott record.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:35:46 -0000
From: Rex Strother
Subject: Al Kooper on NPR
For those who missed NPR's Morning Edition this a.m., hear Al
Kooper reminiscing and discussing his new album on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4864066
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:41:30 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Martin Scorsese's Dylan doc
Bob Celli:
> I donated some photos of Bobby Vee and the Shadows for that
> film. Were any shown, and was Dylan's stint in Vee's band
> mentioned?
It was definitely mentioned, and I do believe some photos were
shown very briefly. That segment probably lasted no more than
five seconds!
Jens
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:45:39 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Couch Potato Alert
Today's TV listings show that, beside pt. 1 of the Dylan special, an
appearance on the Letterman show (following Bill Murray) by the great
Bettye LaVette!
Your alternate option at that time is Buddy Guy on the Leno show, so
late-night viewers can hardy go wrong.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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