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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: No Direction Home - Dylan Documentary
From: Various
2. Re: DC5
From: Matt Spero
3. Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
From: Paul Urbahns
4. Re: Cruisin series
From: Pres
5. Re: DC5 HOF?
From: Bill Mulvy
6. Re: Teddy Vann discography
From: Hans Huss
7. Re: Carole King and the Monkees
From: David Gofstein
8. Shindig!
From: Hans Huss
9. Night Train To Nashville
From: Paul Urbahns
10. Re: Cruisin series
From: Hans Huss
11. Re: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
From: James Botticelli
12. Re: Cruisin' series
From: Frank
13. Motorpsycho nightmare
From: Phil X Milstein
14. Interview with Ron Dante
From: Country Paul
15. The hidden faces
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:52:54 -0000
From: Various
Subject: Re: No Direction Home - Dylan Documentary
Kurt Benbenek wrote:
> The day after the Dylan documentary was aired, some friends and I
> were discussing it over dinner. One of my more creative friends
> brought up his own theory that Dylan never really met and hung out
> with Woody Guthrie, and that this claim was just another in a long
> line of Dylan put-ons. I don't mean to be naive, but is there any
> tangible evidence of Dylan having been an acquaintance of Woody?
> For instance, photographs of them together, Guthrie family
> reminiscences, etc. Musically, Woody and Dylan were connected, but
> did they really hang out together?
I seem to recall Arlo or her mother talking about Bobby Dylan
visiting Woody when he was sick. Woody wasn't do much by that time
other than listening to Dylan sing.
Steve Harvey
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Kurt, I know from Nora Guthrie and the family in general that Bob
did visit Woody.The other bit of info in the docu that I DO feel
was portrayed over-dramatically, (and at the time, fictionally),
was the motorcycle accident. I remember just before JOHN WESLEY
HARDING came out, we all wondered what Dylan would look like on the
album cover. The accident had been portrayed by the press and
Grossman's camp as horrific, as if Bob had been mangled. This now
appears to've been Bob trying to mythologize himself, ala James
Dean. My sense of it from people in Woodstock who knew Bob is that
he fell off his bike and was somewhat hurt.
I also remember we were all shocked by how odd he looked on the
JOHN WESLEY HARDING album cover. Some people said that Bob was
actually the strange looking guy in the front of the shot and that
the accident had disfigured him. Also, the music was a shock, with
the turn towards country, which only further enforced the sense
that Dylan had gone through a radical transfiguration.
C. Ponti
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They certainly did not 'hang out together'. Guthrie was well past
the point of hanging out with anyone, as he was already committed
to hospital by the time Dylan arrived in NY. Dylan made some visits
to Guthrie's hospital bed (as did many other folkies), but that's
about all. In 1961 Guthrie was still fit enough to be taken to
concerts and sessions, and so may have attended some that Dylan
also was present at, but I seriously doubt that Guthrie would have
taken much notice of Dylan at the time. On the other hand Dylan has
acknowledged Guthrie's influence throughout his career, not just in
his "song to woody" and "last thoughts etc" monologue, so I don't
really see why this should be an instance of a 'put on' ...
Jens Koch
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I'd hope the family would be able to corroborate, but I'm not sure
that Arlo was even a very frequent visitor when his dad was in
decline.
Has Dylan ever offered any kind of explanation for his essential
denial of hiw own family (parents and brother)? He seems to be
almost allergic to any kind of reference to them that is anything
more than superficial.
Anita
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:46:29 EDT
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Re: DC5
I never bought that compilation as it is in MONO when I have
all of them in TRUE STEREO on their greatest hits LP on Epic.
A propper STEREO CD should be put out.
Matt Spero
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:28:03 -0400
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
I think I can answer both Phil X Milstein's question, "How are
the song transfers in the series? Proper versions? Stereo? Etc.?
Generally speaking, of course. " and Hasse Huss' comment. "My
memory is not clear on this, but I recall being very
disappointed with what I think was a later re-release of the
series, in the same sleeves and with similar track listings,
but with some tracks missing (or with inferior commercials) and
poorer sound. Anyone remember this?"
The original Cruisisin' series was excellent is every respect.
They were mono but as far as I can tell used the right versions
(the singles of coarse). The intent was you make it sound like
you was listening to AM radio in its glory days. Then from what
someone told me the original producers were sued by some of the
record companies because they (being radio people, not record
execs) failed to get proper clearance on some of the songs. The
series went out of circulation totally and I assume the
lawsuits went on for years.
Finally the series resurfaced on a reedited series (a nd a
different number series) where there were fewer songs on the
albums, and most of the songs were represented by new Ktel re-
recordings. They apparently did not have original work parts so
the original version may play for a few seconds under the DJ
and the when he stopped talking the song switched to the remake.
I wrote to the company and ask why. They said they could not get
permission to use some of the original songs on the series.
The series has gone through maybe two more edits since then.
They put the original performances on the newer ones but they
had to substitute some songs all together. But during these
edits, the DJ patter had to remain the same because they could
not recut it.
There was a sampler disk made called, "The Cruisin' Years" which
was finally issued commerically.I have it, and it contains,
excerpts from the original series of albums. Since I have most
of the original albums, I have not purchased any of the CDs so
someone else would have to report on them.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:52:32 -0400
From: Pres
Subject: Re: Cruisin series
I'm glad someone brought this up as the 1962 and 1958 editions
were on endless rotation in my parents car (yes, I remember 8
tracks) and I could practically recite all the patter and
commercials by the time I was 8. Yet, when I stumbled upon the
cd version of 1962, it seemed wrong. First, I am pretty sure
that at least one song - "I Know", by Barbara George - was not
on the original and it's definitely missing one song that was
on the original - Little Eva's "The Locomotion". The latter is
made more glaring by it's inclusion in the liner notes. The cd
version has Don & Juan's "What's Your Name" which I don't recall
being on the 8 track version but it could just be the passing of
years. Also, as I listen while I type, I realize that "You'll
Lose A Good Thing" is an edit. Oh, and I just remembered the
other missing song: "Johnny Angel". This song and The
Locomotion share a Colpix/Dimension label so perhaps they could
not license the tracks. I'm pretty sure that "Goodbye Cruel
World" was on the original issue as well, furthering that
connection.
Does anyone have the original version/track list of this comp?
Also, I am positive that The Weird Beard's "high in the Dallas
Sky" routine is not only pared, but also split into two sections
and repositioned. It was originally used as an intro for
"Soldier Boy" by The Shirelles ("let me get my kicks from these
groovy chicks"). On the cd version, the end of the routine still
introduces "Soldier Boy" but the first few lines show up later
in the program prior to "Sealed With A Kiss". And the attempt
to take over.
On a positive note, my favorite part, The Morris the Motorcycle
Rider routine, is intact and, given that the cd re-issues were
on K-tel, at least the songs weren't re-recorded versions. The
L&M cigarettes and Mennen Skin Bracer commercials seem to be
intact as well as the attempt to bring KIXL through KLIF (THIS
IS NOT ORSON WELLES).
Regarding 1958 edition, I have very little recall as it's been
at least 30 years since I heard it but I'm sure it would all
come back if played for me. One question remains after all
these years, though: who the hell was Pookie Snackenberg?
pres
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:43:04 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: DC5 HOF?
Les, Their entire output was released on bootleg about four years
ago, but is no longer available. That Hollwood CD is notorious for
only having three songs out of 50 in stereo. The last three.
There are many songs which were mono on that CD that were released
in stereo on the bootlegs. I much prefer the early his in stereo
as opposed to mono. And it is not electronically reprocessed, it
is discrete stereo.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 03:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: Teddy Vann discography
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Zizz? Never heard of that label! Was it another Jubilee subsidiary
> like Blaine? Any chance of hearing "Let's Shindig" @ musica?
> Talking of Teddy Vann . . . I've never seen a picture of him. Does
> anyone have one?
Don't think it was a Jubilee subsidiary. More likely a cupboard-
under-the-stairs kind of operation and a complete one-off. The label
lists an address and a New York telephone number, if I remember
correctly. I'll pull it out. When I find it, I'll try to post it to
musica; if I don't succeed, I can send you an mp3 off-list (and you
can pass it on). It's a great tune, I like it better than 'The Jet
Set'.
As for a pic of Mr. Vann, there's a great one on the back of the
Johnny Thunder album. Very cool looking dude! Well, he would be,
wouldn't he?
Hasse Huss
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Gofstein
Subject: Re: Carole King and the Monkees
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Hey, hey . . . Question: How many Carole King compositions
> did the Monkees record? Don't worry, I don't need an answer,
> because I already know it. How do I know? Well, there wasn't
> a sight for me to do at work this afternoon, so I spent most
> of the time leafing through Andrew Sandoval's new book "The
> Monkees: The Day-By-Day Story Of The 60s TV Pop Sensation".
> What this tome can't tell you about the Monkees ain't worth
> knowing. Although it's not long out, copies are going for a
> fiver on Amazon. A bargain, or what? Find more details here:
> http://tinyurl.com/8adql and here: http://tinyurl.com/8tznx
Andrew Sandoval:
> Mick, glad you found some good info in my book - there is lots
> to spare. I've always found it funny that I have been a
> Spectropop member for years and no one has ever asked me a
> single question about such facts. Never mind, I am here because
> of my friend Page and in fact now have a cat named after our
> late founder. I saved him from an animal shelter, and take
> great pleasure in having a furry friend to keep the name of
> Page Porrazo alive.
Hi Andrew: Just a quick note to tell you just how much I LOVED
the book!! It is an ASTONISHING work of research and was
absolutely fascinating from cover to cover. I've been a Monkees
fan since the series was new and I was a kid in grade school but
there was still an amazing amount of new info to my long since
Monkee saturated brain! Great work my fellow listmate...
Thank you for many hours of involving reading,
dave gofstein
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 04:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Shindig!
Speaking of Shindig... Has anyone ever compiled a list of songs
with 'Shindig' in the title? Off the top of my head, I can think
of some great ones: The Kittens, 'Shindig' (ABC-Paramount);
Dorothy Berry, 'Shindig City' (Planetary), Freddy Williams & the
Shindigs, 'Let's Do The Shindig' (Zizz); Sidney Barnes,
'Talkin' 'Bout A Shindig' (Blues Tone); Danny Hutton, 'Monster
Shindig' (HBR) - there must be many more... Most likely this has
been done already; if not, it seems like a Spectropop task! It
would a great CD, too...
Hasse Huss
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:03:33 -0400
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Night Train To Nashville
Thanks to the post from Willie C I drove over 300 miles yeasterday
and spent the day in Nashville doing a little record buyiong and
attending the 3 PM concert at the Country Music Hall Of Fame
celebrating the release of "Night Train To Nashville Part 2" on
Lost Highway Records.
The concert at Ford Theatre was standing room only and featuring
some of the surviving Original Nashville Rhythm and Blues artists
will perform songs featured on Vol 1 and Vol 2.
The exhibit will continue through December 31, 2005. Lots of stuff
to learn. Bobby Hebb was there and performed his hit Sunny. They
have a picture in the exhibit of young Bobby Hebb appearing on the
Grand Old Opry with Roy Acuff's Smokey Mountain Boys. Theat's
apparently where Bobby got his start, as a member of the Smokey
Mountain Boys. In retrospect, Acuff was probably the only country
performer that was big enough to have gotten away with adding a
black young man to his show in those days.
Here is the link to the exhibit information:
http://www.countrymusichalloffame.com/exhibits/special
If you can't make it to the exhibit, there was a book prepared of
the whole exhibit (except the songs) titled, Night Train To
Nashville: Music City Rhythm & Blues 1945-1970 Souvenir Exhibition
Book and it can be purchased at this link:
http://www.countrymusichalloffame.com/shop/books1.html?id=1576
Great show and great exhibit.
Paul Urbahns
Radcliff, Ky.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 05:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: Cruisin series
Pres wrote:
> Does anyone have the original version/track list of this comp?
Here's the track listing. As you can see, your memory is spot-on!
CRUISIN' 1962 (Increase 2007, 1970)
side one
KLIF News Headlines
Peppermint Twist -Joey Dee
Soldier Boy - The Shirelles
KLIF Summer Spectacular
I Need Your Lovin' - Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford
This Knight's Bullseye
Hey Baby- Bruce Channel
KLIF Master Control
Let Me In - Sensations
Skyland Chrysler Commercial
Johnny Angel - Shelley Fabares
KLIF Station I.D.
side two
Duke of Earl - Gene Chandler
You'll Lose A Good Thing - Barabra Lynn
Gillette Commercial
The Wanderer - Dion
KLIF E.S.P. Promo
Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren
Flying High in the Dallas Sky
Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland
KLIF D.J. Trading Stamp Promo'
Locomotion [sic] - Little Eva
And, for just one more cruise down memory lane, here are the the
1958 tracks...
CRUISIN' 1958 (Increase 2003, 1970)
side one
Jack Carney Theme
At The Hop - Danny & the Juniors
WIL Back To School Contest
Tequila - The Champs
1958 Mercury Commercial
Book Of Love - The Monotones
WIL Summertime Jingle
Rock And Roll Music - Chuck Berry
Pookie Snackenberg Button Bit
KIsses Sweeter Than Wine - Jimmie Rodgers
WIL College of Musical Knowledge Contest
Short Shorts - Royal Teens
WIl Station I.D.
side two
Chantilly Lace - Big Bopper
Gillette Commercial
Do You Wanna Dance - Bobby Freeman
Old Spice Commercial
Rockin' Robin - Bobby Day
WIL Jingle
Get A Job - The Silhouettes
Gary Owns Show Plug
Ten Commandments Of Love - Harvey & the Moonglows
1958 Chevrolet Commercial
Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy
Hasse Huss
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:37:04 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> I recall being very disappointed with what I think was a later
> re-release of the series, in the same sleeves and with similar
> track listings, but with some tracks missing (or with inferior
> commercials) and poorer sound. Anyone remember this?
I remember because compleatist that I am I had only gotten the 1961
Arnie Ginsburg one in '72 or so due to being from Boston and
growing up with the Woo Woo. However after going into radio
broadcasting in the mid 7T's, I finally decided by about '80 to get
the whole set. I first got Johnny Holiday. Bingo! True to form. Had
found an original copy. They were sill out there, surmised I. But
when I got the LA guy (forget his name at the moment, Dick Biondi
maybe?) I heard it in stereo and it definitely had the aural
earmarks of a phony. We all have good ears here. You know what I'm
sayin'...So yes, I'm with you on that one Paul. The later ones were
NFG.
Pres wrote:
> Mennen Skin Bracer commercials
Cools rather than burns....
Hans Huss wrote:
> Here's the track listing. As you can see, your memory is spot-on!
Yeah, but ask him what he had for dinner yesterday.
JB
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:02:48 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Cruisin' series
Pres a écrit:
> Regarding 1958 edition, I have very little recall as it's been
> at least 30 years since I heard it but I'm sure it would all
> come back if played for me. One question remains after all
> these years, though: who the hell was Pookie Snackenberg?
I just hate it when someone reminds me that it's been 30 years
already. I have the whole series which I bought at the time and
have never stopped loving it. I won't give you the track listing
since it's been posted already. I remember listening to the CD
reissues once and wondering what had happened to this great series.
Well, it's clear that if you really want to enjoy it go for the
original vinyls.
Frank
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:56:18 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Motorpsycho nightmare
Chris Ponti wrote:
> Kurt, I know from Nora Guthrie and the family in general that Bob
> did visit Woody. The other bit of info in the docu that I DO feel
> was portrayed over-dramatically, (and at the time, fictionally),
> was the motorcycle accident.
Yes, but toward a vital purpose: to put the distance between himself
and the demands and intrusions of superstardom that he had come to
crave by then. A Freudian would argue that he subconsciously brought
the accident on himself in order to effect that end, whereas a cynic
(such as myself) would say that he merely exploited an unfortunate
event to create a desired end.
I didn't think the accident was overemphasized in the documentary,
though.
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:16:22 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Interview with Ron Dante
Has this been mentioned yet? If not, check out:
http://www.allbutforgottenoldies.net/interviews/ron-dante/
Even if it has been mentioned, and you haven't checked it out,
here's another chance!
Country Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:18:28 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: The hidden faces
Hans Huss wrote:
> As for a pic of (Teddy) Vann, there's a great one on the back of
> the Johnny Thunder album. Very cool looking dude! Well, he would
> be, wouldn't he?
Does anyone have the gumption to join me in a pet project I've had
in mind for a while: to collect a photographic database of behind-
the-scenes personnel, in other words those for whom photos are few
and far between? I haven't given much thought to what form such a
project would take, but if we could rally the troops here to look
around through their collections, and provide some simple scans of
what they find, we could build up a pretty cool set with a minimum
of effort.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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