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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Story Behind The Song
From: Artie Wayne
2. Welcome, Randy Poe
From: Mick Patrick
3. Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
From: Hans Olof Gottfridsson
4. Welcome, Randy Poe
From: Paul Oliverio
5. Re: Deano,Tiger Bay
From: Mark Maldwyn
6. Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
From: Martin Roberts
7. Re: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
From: Lyn Nuttall
8. Nutty Squirrels Christmas song
From: Matt Spero
9. Re: Is Nino Tempo actually Stan Getz?
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
10. I'm hip man
From: Martin Roberts
11. Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
From: Mick Patrick
12. Re: Ciao Baby - help!
From: Lyn Nuttall
13. Re; Randy Poe/ Leiber and Stoller
From: Artie Wayne
14. Cathy Saint
From: Randy Poe
15. Re: KING KONG mystery solved
From: Artie Wayne
16. Tony Meehan > Scarlett O'Hara
From: Justin McDevitt
17. Re: Ciao Baby - help!
From: Lyn Nuttall
18. Marty Machat
From: Randy Poe
19. Deano on video
From: David Bell
20. Ray Rivera - Ciao Baby
From: Lyn Nuttall
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:55:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: The Story Behind The Song
How ya' doin'? As a long time lover of pop music I've always
been curious about the story behind the song. Knowing that
many of my Spectropals feel the same way, I'd like to share
the story behind "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas",
the new song that I wrote with Tony Wine ["Groovy Kind of
Love", "Candida"] which is on the Tony Orlando and Dawn
"Reunion" album.
In 1995, after 20 years of being in the music buisness as a
singer, songwriter, producer, being an exec at April-
Blackwood, Warner Brothers music, and running musicIrving/
Almo, I had become too weak to even hold a guitar.
Finally, I could no longer work at Allan Rinde's legendary
Chinese restaurant in Hollywood, Gengis Cohen, [which I
named and hosted off and on for ten years], where I also
created clothes for the rich and famous.
When I kept falling down in the street, I knew that
something was seriously wrong with me! I was uninsured, and
was facing this crisis all alone. My two closest friends,
Allan Rinde, was spending more and more time in Nashville
with his fiance, Toni Wine...and Patti Dahlstrom, had moved
back to Houston, to teach music and critical thinking at the
Art Institute of Houston.
I had taken to wearing all black, as I stumbled around the
back streets of Hollywood, hoping I wouldn't see anybody that
I knew. I felt, for the first time in my life, that I had
reached the end of the road.
Fortunately, Patti was in town for a conference, and came
over to visit. I didn't want her to see me broke and broken...
but now I'm glad I did. She convinced me to swallow my pride,
and seek help from social services...which saved my life! I
went to the USC medical center for 2 days of tests, and they
kept me for 3 weeks.
It was a few days before Christmas, I was in a ward with many
who were far worse off than me...and we did our best to keep
each others' spirits up. Somehow, I lost my phone book, and
the only numbers that I could remember was my Mothers', who
had moved to West Virginia, and that my long time friend Alan
O'Day, who was on his way out of town.
It's a policy of most hospitals to send as many patients home
for the holidays to be with their family and friends. Soon, I
was the only one left in the ward, since I had nowhere else
to go.
One lonely night, as I sat feeling sorry for myself, I heard
a group down the hall, singing Christmas carols. I followed
the voices to the the children's ward...where I heard the
joyous sounds of "Jingle Bells". It was the Salvation Army,
passing out toys and candy, and singing to the kids, who were
confined to their beds. I joined in on "Silent Night",
"Jingle Bell Rock", and "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer", but
when they started singing "White Christmas"...tears started
running down my face, and I had to sit in another room to
compose myself.
This song, written by Irving Berlin, always brings back
memories of family and friends in a snow covered New York City
...flooding me with emotions.
10 years later, I told Toni Wine [whom I've known since she
was 14]...and showed her some lyrics I had written that
fateful night "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas".
She loved it, but wanted to make the story more universal.
Over two writing sessions, we came up with....
"I LOSE IT WHEN THEY HEAR "WHITE CHRISTMAS"
words and music by Toni Wine and Artie Wayne
They can play "Jingle Bells" all day
talk about Santa's Sleigh
I'm alright on a very "Silent Night"
But then my tears begin
when they sing I can't join in
'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas"
Bein' without you just ain't no fun
What kind of thrill is cookin' for one?
Can't deny I wanna' cry myself out
Here's to Holiday spirit
don't wanna' be anywhere near it
'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas"
And Baby I know...You needed to go
But why did you have to leave me now?
[instumental]
Don't feel like spreading good cheer
Just wanna' sleep in the New Year
'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas"
'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas"
Copyright 2005-CasmoTwine/ WayneArt Music BMI
Now I've finally recovered...and am able to paint and write
again! Thanks for your continued support...I want to wish
all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!
Regards, Artie Wayne
P.S. My 2005 Guestbook will close on December 31st, but remain
on permenant display. Along with my old friends from the music
biz, I want all my new Spectropop pals to leave their mark for
posterity Just click on to http:artiewayne.com It's not
about how many units you sell, but how many friends you make
along the way.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:55:28 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Welcome, Randy Poe
Randy Poe:
> I've worked for Leiber & Stoller for the last 20 years.
> When I had lunch with Nino (Tempo) the other day, he told
> me that he actually met Mike before Jerry did.
Randy Poe! Welcome to S'pop! Say "Hi" to Mike and Jerry from
us all. They're two bona fide S'pop heroes, for sure. Just
yesterday, I was playing "Leiber & Stoller Present The Daisy/
Tiger Records Story" CD on Sundazed. It's one of my absolute
favourite CDs.
A question for you: Do you have a photo of Cathy Saint? Just
askin'. :-)
I don't know if you've had time to investigate the S'pop site
at all, but among the things you'll find is an interview with
your pal Nino Tempo, another of our heroes:
http://www.spectropop.com/NinoTempo/index.htm
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:46:48 -0000
From: Hans Olof Gottfridsson
Subject: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
Dear Friends,
A couple of years ago I wrote the book "The Beatles - From Cavern
to Star-Club". Since then I have also been involved in the Bear
Family Record CD/Book box release "Beatles Bop - Hamburg Days".
Now I work on my third book about British Beat in Hamburg in the
early 60's. This book is also the main reason I ask for your help.
I'm keen learn more about any groups playing in Hamburg (Germany)
in 1960-62. The book also includes a piece about the career of
Pete Best (ex-Beatle). I'm keen to learn more about his career in
1963-66, especially the illfated US/Canada visit in 1965.
Regards,
Hans Olof Gottfridsson
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:38:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Oliverio
Subject: Welcome, Randy Poe
Randy, Are you the guy from the Leiber & Stoller office?
Welcome!!! We spoke back in the Eighties when I was a
teacher at Jefferson HS in Los Angeles. That is the school
with various Lieber & Stoller connections: Richard Berry,
Obie "Young" Jessie, the Coasters...
Enjoy the pop-chat!
Paul Oliverio
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:05:44 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Deano,Tiger Bay
Michael Robson wrote:
> i have posted a glossy MAY 1966 press photo of DEANO to the
> SPECTROPOP photos section. the little blurb on the back of
> the photo is as follows-
> "Tiger Bay, Cardiff, that gave us Shirley Bassey, becomes
> bountiful again and sends us talented, melodious 13 year old
> DEANO. With her current recording of "Starlight, Starbright",
> DEANO is to tour all over Britain, gathering fans as she goes.
> Her singing, and her vivacious personality will surely put her,
> in record time, in the top class."
Thanks Michael, Apart from Deano and Bassey, it's interesting
how Tiger Bay also produced Lorne Lesley and has connections
with Hayley Mills, Horst Buchholz and Saint Etienne.
Mark M
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:34:13 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
Kim Cooper:
> Direct from group member Bibbe Hansen, here's the story of how
> three little panhandlers ended up making one of the silliest
> Beatles tribute recordings, "Let's Go Go Go With Ringo."
> Featuring Jack Kerouac's daughter, the Tokens, Colpix, Laurie,
> Murray the K's mom and a link to hear the song.
> Where? Lost in the Grooves, natch: http://tinyurl.com/c86ro
Thanks to Kim for posting the link to the inside scoop on The
Whippets, Bibbe Hansen told a cool story. I know some folks will
do almost anything for a Beatles-related 45 but me, I'd like to
hear the other side, "I Want To Talk With You"! (hint, hint)
Sorry to hear of Steve Duboff's passing, his name appears on many
groovy 45s.
Martin
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:12:38 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
Hans Olof Gottfridsson wrote:
> I'm keen learn more about any groups playing in Hamburg in
> 1960-62.
You may well know this site already, but just in case you don't
(and it may interest others here):
>From the Mersey to the Elbe 1960-1966
http://members.lycos.nl/dph2/connection/merseybeat.htm
This site by George Evans includes UK and German discographies,
and a lot of detail (he even goes into some pre-Merseybeat
history about Indonesion & Malay bands in Germany).
Lyn
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:16:49 EST
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Nutty Squirrels Christmas song
Hi, I am trying to find the Nutty Squirrels Christmas song
"Please Don't Take Our Tree For Christmas". Anyone out there
have this little gem to share?
Matt Spero
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:45:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Is Nino Tempo actually Stan Getz?
Anna wrote:
> I was looking at a Stan Getz information website that had
> some sort of link to Wikipedia, which I understand has been
> having problems with people putting false info on it. Much
> to my shock, a jokester had stated that "Nino Tempo" is
> actually a pseudonym for Stan Getz!
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> As I understand it Wikipedia is a free on line encyclopedia,
> but the source material is anyone who volunteers info and so
> they are not reliable. You could probably make up a previously
> unknown subject and write something up and it would probably be
> accepted as fact. Don't trust it. The internet is the biggest
> spreader of mistruths ever devised already.
As a wikipedian I suggest that you all make up your own minds
about wikipedia. Here is what the BBC just reported on the
subject:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm
Both the Nino Tempo article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nino_Tempo
and the Stan Getz article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Getz
have been corrected since August and October. I suggest that
you all do your own tests of wikipedia - and while you are
testing it you might just add to some of the articles since
this forum has a total of 382,719 years of great experience
behind it.
Einar
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:35:14 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: I'm hip man
At the risk of sounding as if I've got my finger on the musical
pulse, an event that hasn't really occurred since I was at the
IOW festival in '70. MOJO have chosen their Top Ten CD releases
of the year. In the reissue category, three of my faves feature:
no. 6 Hearing Is Believing - The Jack Nitzsche Story (Ace)
no. 5 One Kiss Can Lead To Another - Girl Group Sounds (Rhino)
no. 4 Joe Meek - The RGM Legacy - Portrait Of A Genius (Castle)
Martin
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:17:55 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
Kim Cooper:
> Direct from group member Bibbe Hansen, here's the story of how
> three little panhandlers ended up making one of the silliest
> Beatles tribute recordings, "Let's Go Go Go With Ringo."
> Featuring Jack Kerouac's daughter, the Tokens, Colpix, Laurie,
> Murray the K's mom and a link to hear the song.
> Where? Lost in the Grooves, natch: http://tinyurl.com/c86ro
Martin Roberts:
> Thanks to Kim for posting the link to the inside scoop on The
> Whippets, Bibbe Hansen told a cool story. I know some folks
> will do almost anything for a Beatles-related 45 but me, I'd
> like to hear the other side, "I Wanna Talk With You"!
Say no more, find it playing at musica right now. As a rule, I
find the best thing to do with Beatles tribute records is turn
'em over. (The same applies to northern soul 45s, but don't tell
anyone I said that.) Details are: The Whippets "I Wanna Talk
With You" (Josie 921, 1964); written by Neil Levinson:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
> Sorry to hear of Steve Duboff's passing, his name appears on
> many groovy 45s.
Steve Duboff died on Feb 28th, 2004. A brief obituary is
available at S'pop Remembers:
http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/SDobit.htm
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:04:18 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: Ciao Baby - help!
Randy asked about a lost male version of 'Ciao Baby':
Inspired by your post, I've just updated my page about the
Larry Weiss-Scott English 'Ciao Baby':
http://www.poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=&4
I've listed versions by: The Toys, The Montanas, Lynne Randell,
Eternal Flame (all 1967), Catherine McKinnon (Canada 1970),
Craig Scott (NZ 1971). (Not to say there aren't others I don't
know about.)
Larry Weiss's song list at his own site doesn't list any further
versions: http://www.rhinestonecowboy.com/discography.htm
All of which is probably of no help at all!
Lyn
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:10:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re; Randy Poe/ Leiber and Stoller
Randy...How ya' doin'? It's been a long time. Being on
Spectropop is like going to the Turf, after a long
hard day at the Brill Building! You never know who
you're gonna' meet...but you know you're gonna' have a
good time!
I'm amazed that after all these years, you're still
sending me royalties for "Train to the sky [Raleigh/
Wayne], that Bobby Darin recorded, and "Better Now
Than Later" {Raleigh/ Wayne] which was the b-side of
"Danke Schoen" by Wayne Newton!
The last time I saw Mike, was at a quiet dinner with
my late manager Marty Machat. I was spellbound by his
tale of having been rescued from the Andrea Doria, the
luxury liner that was shipwrecked in 1956!
The last time I saw Jerry, was at a little sushi
bar, in Hollywood. He had me, and my friend, Patti
Dahlstrom laughing so hard...that we forgot that we
had an opening to go to at the Troubador!
OK...Enough frivolity! I finally recovered from a
spinal operation I had 10 years ago...and I'm able to
paint and write songs again! A new song I wrote Toni
Wine, "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas", is in
the Tony Orlando and Dawn "Reunion" CD.
I'd be honored if You, Mike and Jerry would drop by my
website and sign my new Guest book in celebration of
my rising from the ashes. Just click onto
http:artiewayne.com A lot of your old freinds and
former staff writers are already in there, along with
many of my new Spectropop pals, who've encouraged and
supported me over the past few years and made me
believe in myself again.
We'll be closing the 2005 guest book, to new entries,
on December 31st, but I'm sure it will remain on
view...forever!
Merry Christmas, thanks and regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:19:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Randy Poe
Subject: Cathy Saint
Mick Patrick wrote:
> A question for you: Do you have a photo of Cathy Saint?
> Just askin'. :-)
We tried to find a photo of her when we were putting together
the Daisy/Tiger Story CD with no luck. Haven't had any luck
finding her or finding out much about her.
Randy
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:20:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: KING KONG mystery solved
How ya' doin'? I want thank everyone who responded to
my KING KONG KWESTION. If You are one of them please,
contact me offline...I'll send you a special MP3
reward!
Thanks, and regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:21:16 -0600
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Tony Meehan > Scarlett O'Hara
Hello Spectro-experts,
In a recent post, Mick Patrick wrote:
> In 1963 Tony returned to performing, as a duo with Jet Harris,
> another ex-Shadow. Together they charted with the memorable
> "Diamonds", "Scarlett O'Hara" and "Applejack"...
With respect to the second of the above-referenced tracks, I
have a recording of Scarlett O'Hara from a 1963 Lawrence Welk
Lp, which I remember hearing on American Bandstand. I also
recall hearing a second version of this track, a bit more up-
tempo, (with even a saxophone in the instrumental mix) which I
heard on one of the local rock stations.
I wouldn't think the second version that I heard was the Tony
Meehan-Jet Harris production since I would imagine that it was
similar in sound to the Welk recording, minus the violins.
Therefore, was there a third version which had minor airplay
on some US radio stations in the late spring of 1963?
A Merry Christmas and a healthy blessed New Hear to all of you
as I begin my fourth year as a member of this truly
knowledgeable, diverse and interesting group.
Justin McDevitt
P.S. two degrees above zero Fahrenheit today in Saint Paul MN.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:02:58 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: Ciao Baby - help!
More on the lost male version of 'Ciao Baby':
Three more male versions I've found:
1. Mel Torme
2. Long John Baldry
However, both appear as bonus tracks on CD reissues, both
apparently previously unreleased. (Both appear to be late 60s,
and they are the Weiss-English song.)
However:
3. Ray Rivera & his Orchestra had a "Ciao Baby" on "Latin
Workout", a 1968 album on Mercury. Sadly, I can't verify 100%
whether it's the same song. (Interestingly, the LP has "Bend
Me Shape Me" on it, another Weiss-English song.) Produced by
Claus Ogerman. http://www.bjbear71.com/Ogerman/Claus-b1a.html
Could Ray be your man?
Lyn
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:26:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Randy Poe
Subject: Marty Machat
Artie Wayne wrote:
> The last time I saw Mike, was at a quiet dinner with my late
> manager Marty Machat...
A few years ago we were having a slight discrepancy with Phil
Spector. Marty Machat was his lawyer at the time. Our lawyer
wrote to Marty, and then we waited for a reply. We waited
several days, then several weeks. I figured it was nothing out
of the norm since Phil works in myserious ways. Finally, after
a couple of months of waiting, I opened the paper one day and
read that Marty had died. The next thing I knew, the phone
rang and it was Allen Klein telling me he was Phil's new
representative. And the rest is history....or something.
Randy
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:39:22 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: Deano on video
I've just been googling around, idly passing away the time,
when I came across an old friend, the videobeat.com. There
are only 3 Thank Your Lucky Stars shows that exist and one
of them from 14th May 1966 features Deano singing "Starlight".
Just thought someone would like to know. One day I'll get
around to ordering it but not just yet. There are too many
fabulous cds that I still need.
David.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:44:23 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Ray Rivera - Ciao Baby
Lyn wrote:
> Could Ray (Rivera) be your man?
No, Lyn.
Same song, but it's an instrumental.
Got that from Ray himself.
Lyn
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