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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Goffin-King "He Knows..."
From: Mark Wirtz
2. Re: Kim Fowley Stories
From: Mark Wirtz
3. Bonnie, other treasures, and a bunch of questions
From: Paul Payton
4. Re: I Can Hear Music
From: james botticelli
5. Re: Best of Red-Bird/Blue Cat CD
From: james botticelli
6. Re: Millennium CD set on Sundazed
From: Jeff Lemlich
7. BERNADETTE PETERS MEETS BRUTE FORCE . . . TWICE!
From: mick patrick
8. Mel 'N Verdelle
From: Jeff Lemlich
9. Richest men - Carter vs Singer
From: Mark Wirtz
10. Re: Millennium CD set on Sundazed
From: Simon Rigot
11. CD booklets too fat
From: Dan Hughes
12. Pat Zill
From: Dan Hughes
13. Re: Group Therapy
From: Stephane Rebeschini
14. Open letter from Mark Wirtz
From: Mark Wirtz
15. Ikettes on Kent/Chiffons on Ace
From: Will Stos
16. Re: Chiffons on Ace
From: Mark Frumento
17. Reparata
From: Ken Silverwood
18. Re: Mel 'N Verdelle
From: Phil Chapman
19. Re: Goffin-King "He Knows..."
From: Phil Chapman
20. Re: Ikettes on Kent/Chiffons on Ace
From: Peter Lerner
21. Re: Reparata
From: Phil Chapman
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 23:23:34 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Goffin-King "He Knows..."
Phil Chapman writes:
> Well, I, or Boris, could do you a CD burn. I recommended "He Knows..."
> to Spectropeeps last year as an example of your work, and an
> original treatment of the Goffin-King song. It's a quirky combo
> of quasi-funk drums & bass, dbl-tempo arpeggiated acoustic guitars,
> lazy mariachi trumpets, Baja Band marimba and a Paris Sisters vocal.
> And - it's a 'b' side!
*** Oh yes, I would love a copy of this! (both sides)! :):) For some
reason, I have always remembered this single and the recording session with
particular fondness - there was such an abundant air of warmth and passion
about the whole thing. The more surprising that my brain somehow believed
retrospectively that It was Peanut, not Valerie who performed - booooh! Mind
you, they were such a team at the time, it was easy to get them mixed up).
Oddly enough, out of all the records I made, this (as well as "Tar and
Cement", of course) seems to have been the most ignored and obscured one of
all. It'd be a treat to hear these tracks again, just for the memory of it,
as well as the Goffin-King song :)
Mark W.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 23:57:27 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Kim Fowley Stories
Mike Demers:
>That reminds me....does anyone else here have any Kim Fowley stories?
Check out my novel "Sisyphus Rocks" (available via Amazon under my
author name Michael Sinclair), which is a virtual tribute to Kim
(my all time hero) - the perennial commuter between the gutter and
esoteric supremacy.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1588517306/qid=1020586078/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/103-9860912-3248602
Having not only spent many hours with Kim as a friend (as much as anybody
can be his friend, considering his raging fear of intimacy) as well as a
collaborator on numerous significant recording projects, I took much loving
care and effort to portray Kim (in the guise of one of the book's pivotal
characters) in his various, maniacally rapid transformations, not only
conveying his notorious outrageousness, but also his deep, virtually unknown
sensitivity and humanity.
Mark W :)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 00:46:42 -0400
From: Paul Payton
Subject: Bonnie, other treasures, and a bunch of questions
I missed you folks for a couple of days....
Peter Lerner wrote:
> I'd like to know more about Bernadette. Is she still recording?
> What have I missed?
She also did an acting gig on "Ally McBeal" a few months ago - no
singing, though.
Mick Patrick wrote:
> And talking of "Home Of The Brave"...some friends and I happened to
> meet RONNIE SPECTOR back in the late-1970s and we asked her if she
> ever recorded the song. Back then, some (deaf!) people still thought
> that Ronnie WAS Bonnie of Bonnie & the Treasures.
At the WFMU Record Fair today I scored the Phil Spector Flips & Rarities CD.
No liner notes; Mick, were you on strike? :-) (Particularly for
collector-oriented reissues, I agree: intelligent liners add so much to the
enjoyment.) "Home of the Brave" was on there, and listening to it leads me
to conclude that the Bonnie is one and the same as the singer on the Gary
Zekley-produced "Close Your Eyes," which in my opinion out-Spectors Phil in
it's delicious production. So who is or was Bonnie? Does she have a last
name? Or a fascinating back-story like Robin Ward? By the way, someone
standing near me at the Record Fair picked up a 45 on Philips by "Jacky" -
one name only - and the last name Ward was somewhere on the label; he was
curious if this was the same person as Robin Ward? I didn't know. Does
anyone?
Probably old news to most, but on the Spector CD is a super Gene Pitney
track with writing credited to Spector-Phillips called "Dream for Sale."
Anyone have any history to share on this one? There's also a beautiful
version of a somewhat rewritten (in the bridge) "Unchained Melody" by the
Blackwells, a Fleetwoods-sounding trio who also recorded for Guyden (the
very delicate "Oh My Love"). Does anyone have any background on them, too?
Did they ever have hits to speak of?
Tom Taber, thanks for the info on Swan. I checked - Tony Galla & the Rising
Sons "In Love" (proper title) was Swan #4275, the number before my pressing
of "Rats," the reissue you mention. I never "Rats" came out previously (on
Swan? Shan-Todd? other?), nor did I know of a follow-up. With Swan folding
shortly thereafter, I'd mistakenly thought those two were the end of the
line. By the way, I met Joey Reynolds twice, and each time I thought him to
be one of the biggest jerks I'd ever encountered. However, he was also one
of the funniest, sharpest, most musically astute and most creative radio
personalities I have heard in my entire life, as well as one of the best
co-ordinated technically; perhaps his attitude is part of what fueled his
brilliance. (I confess, during my first personality radio job in 1964, to
driving around after my 10pm signoff just listening to Joey so I could steal
material for the following evening!)
BTW, Tom, do I know you from Hartford or elsewhere? Contact me off-list if
you'd like to follow up.
Finally, I wish I could be of help with the "Unidentified female" (yep, I
actually got it to play for me!!!); the track really gets exciting about 2/3
through. The fuzz guitar makes me think this would be about 1966-67.
Country Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:17:30 -0400
From: james botticelli
Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music
Phil Chapman wrote:
> Thanks for the link, Jimmy B - I did find a Parade album in the
> 'lounge' area, but no details, just a price. Is it the same crew?
The Parade I believe only recorded one LP and I don't believe it was
actually released. I think--THINK, mind you, that this LP was released by
the Japanese only recently despite its age. So, yes, I am reasonably sure
they are one and the same. If you want to know beyond a shadow, call Other
Music. They are on East Fourth Street in Greenwich Village between Bleeker
and The Bowery
--
Jimmy Botticelli
Taking The E-Z...Way Out!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:26:56 -0400
From: james botticelli
Subject: Re: Best of Red-Bird/Blue Cat CD
Don Charles wrote:
> No need to trade! This Taragon CD is still in print and available
> for purchase online at CDNOW, AMAZON.COM and other music outlets.
> http://www.cdnow.com
Actually CDNow only advertises it, then says they are out of stock, asks for
your credit card number and tells you there may be a wait...A month later
they email you and tell you it won't be available..
--
Jimmy Botticelli
Taking The E-Z...Way Out!
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:21:01 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Millennium CD set on Sundazed
laughingmood wrote:
> YES!!!!! You have to get it! It's absolutely phenomonal. Other
> stuff on Sundazed you may like: Any of the Harper's Bizzare albums,
> The Yellow Balloon album, The Genesis album by Wendy and Bonnie,
> Distant Shores by Chad and Jeremy, Present Tense by Saggitarius.
> There are many others. Sundazed is one of the great reissue companies.
And don't forget "Mirror Of Our Minds" by We The People.
Versatile, fantastic, and flawless!
Jeff Lemlich
http://pub64.ezboard.com/blimestonelounge
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 06:57:40 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: BERNADETTE PETERS MEETS BRUTE FORCE . . . TWICE!
Hi,
For Rex & Peter, a few more words from me on Vargas-wrapped,
hamster-cheeked pop princess turned Sondheim goddess
BERNADETTE PETERS:
WILL YOU CARE WHAT'S HAP'NIN' TO ME, BABY,
Bernadette's 1967 Columbia 45, was written by the one and only
BRUTE FORCE of the Tokens, author of such genre treasures
as the Chiffons' "Nobody Knows What's Goin' On (In My Mind But
Me)". Thirty-odd years after the event I asked the enigmatic
songsmith about the song. Here's what he told me:
"I remember Bernadette sitting right next to me as I auditioned
songs for her. I was at once taken by her Betty Boop voice. And
she was SO pretty. Five or six years ago I was working as a waiter
at a private function and Bernadette was a guest at the party. So
there I was, bringing her plates of this and that, taking her
dishes away, pouring her wine. I looked into her eyes once. You
know, I wanted to say something to her, but I didn't."
Real name Bernadette Lazzara, our subject began her showbiz career
with an appearance on TV's Name That Tune at age three. She has a
Star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame and two Tony awards. Bernadette
Peters also holds the distinction of being the youngest ever
inductee of the Theater Hall Of Fame. Find out more at:
http://www.bernadettepeters.com or http://www.bernadettepeters.net
MICK PATRICK
(Forthcoming attraction - The Shangri-Las meet the Mothers Of
Invention. Straight Up!)
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:29:31 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Mel 'N Verdelle
Phil Chapman wrote:
> Is his "Tar And Cement" the same as Verdelle Smith?
> Now there's someone that rarely gets a mention.
Same song as Verdelle Smith/Francoise Hardy, and done very well,
too. It's the flip of one of his MOR tunes ("Take Good Care Of Her")
but it blows the A side away.
My favorite by Verdelle Smith is "Life Goes On".
There WILL be another spring!
Jeff Lemlich
http://pub64.ezboard.com/blimestonelounge
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:07:02 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Richest men - Carter vs Singer
For the record, I thought Mel's voice was awesome on just about
anything he did - pure, unbastardized soul. Regarding the difference
between Ray Singer's and Mel Carter's version of "Richest Man Alive"
(just about the difference between apples and oranges) will you
accept my suggestion that Mel sounds like he means being the richest
man at heart, whereas Ray sounds like he means being the richest man
money-wise …?
Mark W ;)
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:11:21 +0200
From: Simon Rigot
Subject: Re: Millennium CD set on Sundazed
From: DJ Steve
> Anyone know if this is worth getting. Also looking for any
> Sundazed label recommendations on CD. Thanks
If you don't have The "Begin" album, indeed it's worth it.
But honestly, I listened to it at my local store in Brussels/Belgium,
and I must confess that the "Begin" material is the best stuff.
So as I already have it, I didn't buy the CD set.
Simon
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:21:52 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: CD booklets too fat
Rex complains:
> Of course, when the book is too thick to be held in the cover
> clips (and I ended up mangling it), I also pout a bit.
Rex, here's the trick:
When you replace the CD booklet, DON'T slide it in from the side, under
the first set of top/bottom plastic tabs, then the second. Instead,
carefully insert the bottom of the booklet under the two bottom tabs at
the same time, without sliding it at all. Then gently arch the booklet
so the top of it can slide under the top two tabs, again at the same time
without sliding the booklet horizontally.
This method of replacing the booklet is faster, easier, and safer than
trying to slide the booklet in from the side.
I learned this method from seeing a video of a CD factory, and this is
how the employees who put the CDs together for sale insert the booklet
before they shrinkwrap the CD.
---Dan
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:32:44 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Pat Zill
Country Paul mentions,
> and a country hit by Pat Zill (right name?), "Pick Me
> Up On Your Way Down".
I got a Pat Zill record in one of those 5-for-88 cents Kresge's
packages, maybe about 1962. It was called Bouquet of Roses ("I'm
sending you a big bouquet of red, red roses / One for every time
you broke my heart"), and it was on the Dove label. Very country,
almost a travesty of country, and my mother loved that record;
played it over and over while she did laundry in the basement.
---Dan
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 19:00:07 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Group Therapy
Dan Hughes a écrit :
> I have two albums by Group Therapy: People Get Ready For Group
> Therapy, RCA LSP-3976 (1968), and 37 Minutes of Group Therapy,
> Phillips PHS-600-303 (1969). Same group I assume?
No, a different one. The Group Therapy moniker was used by at least four
bands in the '60s.
I also have the Canterbury single and it's indeed good, and very
different from what the RCA/Philips group released.
Stephane
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 14:37:48 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Open letter from Mark Wirtz
Dear fellow Poppers,
Ever since Mark Frumento invited me to become a member of the gang, I have
not only been in utter awe of how many loyal fans and supporters my music
has around the world, but I have moreover been deeply touched by how much
of a personal impression my work has made on so many of you.
If, at first, my joining the Spectropop fold may have appeared as a strategy
on my part to promote my "products", I hope that it has by now become
apparent that, to the contrary, I first and foremost joined as a fan, to
participate in what the group is all about - to share. To share, in tribal
spirit, enthusiasm for and appreciation of music and its history so close to
our hearts; to share and exchange knowledge and information. And, last not
least, to protect accuracy and truth, so easily distorted and twisted in the
multidimensional maze of the music business.
In that spirit, allow me to convey the following:
It was by sheer coincidence that Mark's invitation overlapped with the
publication of my novel "Sisyphus Rocks". It was by further chance irony
that the book (a fictional, if brutally authentic - and politically
incorrect! - portrayal of the record business) happens to be about music. Of
the subsequent books that I have completed since Sisyphus, or that are works
in-progress, the only one that is even remotely related to the music world is
the "Sisyphus Rocks" sequel "Sisyphus Rocks On... GATOR'S GOTTA EAT" And even
there, the music business link takes place only in the book's early potion
for continuity sake, before the plot takes off into entirely different worlds.
The point of my writing all this is to clarify that my motive for having
brought up the book in Spectropop in the first place was not to sell a bunch
of books, but to share the essence of my past, unique music business
experiences with those of you that might be interested.
I still stand by that. Thus, as the book is a relatively expensive item,
and not readily affordable by many as a mere "luxury" expense, I would like
to make it available to interested Spectropop members as free reading. Simply
write to me at markwirtz11@aol.com, and, at your request I shall e-mail you a
personal file of the book.
As there is no money transaction, nor profit involved whatsoever, there
is no likely copyright conflict and you will receive the file as a standard
free sample. However, please note that I am making this offer exclusively to
fellow Spectropop (and CherrySmash) members!
Very best,
Mark Wirtz (aka, Michael Sinclair)
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:58:44 -0400
From: Will Stos
Subject: Ikettes on Kent/Chiffons on Ace
Question for people familiar with Ace Records,
I was just visiting the site and came upon a cd called "Fine Fine
Fine" by the Ikettes that has about 20 songs on it from their
Modern sessions, but no links to any liner notes. Does anybody
have this cd? I'm a big fan of what I have heard from the Ikettes
on Modern, but is there any blanatnt filler? Also, seeing as I now
know I'm not the only liner note junkie on the list, anybody want
to comment on the info that (hopefully) goes along with this?
Kent/Ace are usually great about including liner notes.
Next question to Mick, I noticed RPM records recently reissued
your fab Shangri-las compilation, but the biggest item on my
Christmas wish-list (I know it's rather early) is a new Chiffons
comp. Your Greatest Recordings package on Ace from 1990 is the
best one around, but it's out of print. And recent comps just have
the 10-12 hits. Do you have any plans to go and mine out the other
great songs not on cd yet? Specifically the great tracks from
their "Sweet Talkin' Guy" album or "My Secret Love" album?
Please please, please?
Will "Chiffonaholic" Stos
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 18:13:47 -0400
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Chiffons on Ace
From: "Will Stos"
> Your Greatest Recordings package on Ace from 1990 is the
> best one around, but it's out of print. And recent comps just
> have the 10-12 hits.
Disc Collector had this in stock and was advertising it at sale
price about a year ago. I'd go to the end of the earth to find it.
It was the only place I could find my fave Chiffons song,
"Tonight I'm Gonna Dream".
That comp was pretty ground breaking for a 1990 release....
33 tracks, 77 minutes!
Mick, maybe now I see the irony. It took Will's post for me to find
"When The Boy's Happy" in my collection. Perhap it was more laziness
than forgetfulness on my part?
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:01:05 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Reparata
Hello all,
I've just come across a Reparata & Delrons track produced
by Jeff Barry on RCA 8820, entitled "I'm Nobody's Baby Now". I'm
familiar with "I Can Hear The Rain " but not this song. It has a
spoken section a la "don't try to touch me" only the boots on the
other foot, so to speak! Was it ever released in UK?
Ken on the West Coast
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 20:53:29 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Mel 'N Verdelle
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
[Tar And Cement]
> Same song as Verdelle Smith/Francoise Hardy, and done very well,
> too. It's the flip of one of his MOR tunes ("Take Good Care Of
> Her") but it blows the A side away.
Any chance of it finding its way to musica, pleeze?
The somewhat folksy original Italian recording by Adriano Celentano
is out on CD, it's interesting to note the transition. I think
Vance/Pockriss did a great job picking out the melodic strong points.
> My favorite by Verdelle Smith is "Life Goes On".
I suppose my favourite will remain "Tar And Cement" as that's what
I first heard from her, but I love all her recordings (that I know
of). Never quite understood why she didn't enjoy some success, it
was certainly deserved. Do you know the (male) Castells version of
"Life Goes On" (Decca) - good, in a Spectropop kind of way.
Phil
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 20:45:22 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Goffin-King "He Knows..."
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> *** Oh yes, I would love a copy of this! (both sides)! :):)
> For some reason, I have always remembered this single and the >
recording session with particular fondness - there was such an
> abundant air of warmth and passion about the whole thing.
Consider it done - Burn, Boris, burn!
> Oddly enough, out of all the records I made, this (as well as
> "Tar and Cement", of course) seems to have been the most ignored
> and obscured one of all.
Oh I don't know, Mark - Ian C. has turned up a Barbara Windsor 45
bearing your name. Don't panic, I haven't heard it - yet!
Actually, I'd forgotten Caroline Munroe's "Tar And Cement" was one
of yours - texturally inventive as ever, who else could have
incorporated a banjo playing "Da Doo Ron Ron"?:-) You took on quite
a challenge there - Verdelle Smith's rendition is sublime, and that
did nothing here (UK) either.
In an earlier message you mentioned a Peanut version of "Rumours".
I can't find any evidence of its release. Is it the J Ferdy song
as recorded by Kippington Lodge?
Phil
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 22:53:14 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Ikettes on Kent/Chiffons on Ace
Will Stos:
> I was just visiting the site and came upon a cd called "Fine Fine
> Fine" by the Ikettes that has about 20 songs on it from their
> Modern sessions, but no links to any liner notes.
Will - my copy of the CD has 24 tracks, some of which were previously
unreleased, all of which are good, plus liner notes by the estimable
Malcolm Baumgart.
Spectropoppers rest-of-the-year resolution for 2002 should be to
combine together and buy a PC with internet connection for Malcolm
and then teach him to use it. What he can't tell us isn't worth knowing!
Peter
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 00:25:46 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Reparata
Ken Silverwood wrote:
> I've just come across a Reparata & Delrons track produced
> by Jeff Barry on RCA 8820, entitled "I'm Nobody's Baby Now".
Congratulations! This is my fave R&D record, and one of my
favourite JB songs. Reparata & the girls were discussed in
some depth last August. Take a look at Spectropop digests
230 onwards http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/m698.html
Meanwhile, here's Ian Chapman's definitive review of the track
from Philately #4.
Phil
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"Damn shame that Reparata & the Delrons are remembered
here in the UK mostly for "Captain Of Your Ship", a
damp piece of sea-sickness if ever there was. But if
you've ever investigated beyond and before that you'll
know that the group was capable of far better things.
"Although the Delrons' earlier stuff on World Artists
provided some truly wonderful moments, Reparata herself
has often said that she felt their best period,
material-wise, was their stint at RCA, which ran from
late-'65 to mid-'67. I, for one, tend to go along with
that, and I'd also venture to suggest that "I'm
Nobody's Baby Now" is in turn the jewel in the RCA
crown, and therefore, Reparata & the Delrons'
finest-ever 2 minutes and 40 seconds. Their Ne Plus
Ultra.
"The song comes from the pen of a solo Jeff Barry - and
if you thought it was always Ellie's touch that
provided the magic, you're in for a surprise. This is
pure Shangri-Las drama from start to finish,
beautifully blended with a Spectorish "Walking In The
Rain"-type backing; but most of all, it has that
essential ingredient that always goes to make up the
best girl-group slowies - bells. As with all the
group's records right from the word go, it's produced
by Steve and Bill Jerome, and arranged by John Abbott;
a team to be reckoned with (check out their Jubilee
sides with Renee St Clair and Marie Applebee). Reparata,
too, turns in one of her best performances, wringing
every drop from the forlorn, love-lost lyrics. She
half-sings, half-murmurs at first, as if in a state of
bewilderment at being abandoned, her voice gradually
building up to the crashing chorus, while the Delrons
supply true Ganser Twin back-ups. Then, to top it all,
she delivers one of the saddest, most beautiful
spoken-parts on vinyl, to the accompaniment of those
bells. She sounds almost suicidal! It's all too much
for flesh and blood to bear." (Ian Chapman, 1984)
"Unfortunately, "I'm Nobody's Baby Now" is one of the
most difficult Delrons discs to find. I made do with a
cracked copy for many years.
Phil
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