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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Darlene & the Pelicans
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      2. Kalin Twins; Orpheus and BossTown, Diane Renay
           From: Paul Payton 
      3. Re: Kalin Twins
           From: Frank 
      4. Re: MARK WIRTZ & THE BREAKAWAYS
           From: Mick Patrick 
      5. Re: Motown bass players
           From: Nick Archer 
      6. It's My Party (NOT the Lesley Gore hit)
           From: Brett Wheadon 
      7. Re: Multiple Group Names
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
      8. Re: It's My Party (NOT the Lesley Gore hit)
           From: Patrick Rands 
      9. The 45 Club @ The Knitting Factory
           From: Leonardo FLores 
     10. The Liquid Room 5/19/02
           From: David Ponak 
     11. jackie de s. demos
           From: Phil Milstein 
     12. siesta time...
           From: Kingsley Abbot 
     13. Re: Kalin Twins; Orpheus and BossTown, Diane Renay
           From: james botticelli 
     14. Re: Dean's "The Blue Fox" T-Shirt
           From: Jared Martine 
     15. Re: Motown bass players/Motown Magic
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     16. Bedazzled
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     17. Re: Kalin Twins
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     18. Brians Wilson & Gari
           From: Will George 
     19. Another Ricky Nelson Q, ++
           From: Mark Wirtz 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:28:15 EDT
   From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
Subject: Darlene & the Pelicans

This was a BIG Spectropop edition, so I hope I'm not repeating 
anyone's info: apparently Moose & The Pelicans were Darlene Love, 
some Blossoms... and I don't know who else.
Anyone know... ?



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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:34:30 -0400 From: Paul Payton Subject: Kalin Twins; Orpheus and BossTown, Diane Renay Mark Wirtz asks: > Also - any of you remember the Kalin Twins - "When"? > Did they make any other records? Herbie and Hal. I remember seeing them jumping around while lip-synching "When" on a Dick Clark Saturday evening show. Definitely an exciting single! There was at least one album I know of on Decca, and I seem to have another single around somewhere (probably from the LP, and definitely not of the quality of the hit). Thanks, Phil Milstein, for their song-poem info; I never knew. Mark continues: > Finally, do any of you know the names of THE original Motown > drummer/bass player? Wasn't the bassist James Jamerson? Phil Chapman, the MGM Orpheus and Red Bird Orpheus are entirely different; I know nothing about the Red Bird artist, but also have the 45 floating around somewhere. For those not up on the tale, the MGM group was the most successful of the Bosstown Sound hypefest of the late 60's, where MGM Records tried to shamelessly cash in on the "groovy hippie movement" by "manufacturing" a Boston trend, which was supposed to be the "next big rock scene" after San Francisco. All three bands involved - Orpheus, Ultimate Spinach, and Beacon Street Union - were existing groups, but totally unripe. (Another band, Phluph, on MGM's Verve subsidiary, wasn't "officially" a Bosstown Sound band, nor was Ill Wind on ABC, although both were caught in the debacle by association.) The most progressive and pompous of these groups was Ultimate Spinach, and the least-ready-for-prime-time was the Beacon Street Union. To their credit, Orpheus managed some decent pop hits, but were quite obviously not the album rock group MGM had hoped for. For several years after, unless you were a folkie, being a progressive artist from Boston was somewhat of an embarrassment thanks to MGM's idiocy. Interestingly, Atlantic/Atco had two Boston acts at about the same time. The J. Geils Band was on the parent label and thus far removed from the MGM quagmire. Also, unlike the MGM groups, they were musically ready, both in the studio and live. Having their lead singer, Peter Wolf, on the air nightly on pioneering freeform station WBCN didn't hurt either - he was a knowledgeable and exciting on-air rapper and personality, plus he had some of the best taste in blues, rock and r&b of anyone before or since. Over on Atco, Bo Grumpus had an album regrettably overproduced by Felix Pappalardi. They were much more like a Lovin' Spoonful in person - also a great live act, as I remember. Martin Roberts, I won the new Diane Renay CD from our friend Ronnie of the great radio interviews. While I'm glad to have it, I'm afraid my opinion differs from Patrick Rands and Mick Patrick. She handled a variety of reworked standards beautifully, which were recorded in the "Navy Blue" era; but I found the lo-fidelity sound of some of the transfers hard to listen to. Sadly, except for the first few moments of the discofied "Navy Blue" (she ultimately breaks into a talking section which "jumps the shark" bigtime), I found most of the new stuff was a letdown. Changing subjects, I haven't heard the Untouchables CD (I only have my original 45 which I bought new upon release), but I think "Raisin' Sugar Cane' is an exceptional track. Do you have a link for the CD, or do you know the track listing? Off for a week - play nice! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:54:07 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Kalin Twins Mark Wirtz wrote: > Also - any of you remember the Kalin Twins - "When"? > Did they make any other records? The Kalin Twins did indeed record more than this hit single. I have a compilation CD of their songs. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:56:56 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: MARK WIRTZ & THE BREAKAWAYS Hi, Anyway, getting back to THE BREAKAWAYS. Thanks for letting us know exactly who was singing on "I Can Hear Music", Mark. Since then I've got myself a copy of "The Go Go Music Of Mark Wirtz" CD on RPM and I'm itching to know who the vocalists are on some of the other tracks. Am I correct in assuming that it's the Breakaways on "Come Back And Shake Me" (from the German LP of the same title) plus "Comin' Home Baby" and "Don't Do It Baby" (from the US "Wirtz & Music" / UK "Latin A Go-Go" album)? Or is it the Ladybirds? Or both? Who's on lead? Vicki? Margot? Jean? Do tell. By the way, Mojo magazine comes with a FREE "Movie Soundtrack" CD this month. Contained on it is the theme song from the Peter Cook & Dudley Moore flick "BEDAZZLED", one of the best records the Breakaways ever made. It alone is worth the cost of admission. And just wait until you hear "You Cut Up The Clothes In The Closet Of My Dreams" by "Joshie" Jo Armstead from the film "Don't Play Us Cheap", a deep soul treasure in the Jennifer Holliday style. Only for those with nerves of molybdenum! :-) MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:46:00 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: Motown bass players Mark continues: > Finally, do any of you know the names of THE original Motown > drummer/bass player? If I may quote from the book, "Standing In the Shadows of Motown - the Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson", by Dr. Licks(?), "Although James is the unquestioned "King of the Motown Bass", he was definitely not the first to lay down a groove for Berry Gordy. Clarence Isabell, Tweed Beard, Willie Green, and a high school principal named Professor Joe Williams all preceded him.. In fact, Professor Williams played on Marv Johnson's "Come to Me", which is the record that is considered to be the birth of Motown. However, Berry's thirst for perfection was apparently not satisfied by any of these players, because they quickly become history when Jamerson arrived on the scene." This is an incredible book, and I've seen later editions that include a CD with split music tracks of Jamerson songs that have been re-recorded by famous present day bass players to allow you isolate the original Jamerson bass line, or play along. The book I have is ISBN 0-88188-852-4. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881888826/qid=1022248077/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-3016105-4507926 Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at http://www.live365.com/stations/289419 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:25:42 -0000 From: Brett Wheadon Subject: It's My Party (NOT the Lesley Gore hit) Hi, I've been over to an independent CD store http://www.cdbaby.com which lists a group called "It's My Party." The tracks I've heard on the site sound pretty swell, can anyone give me a review of this disc, and more information about the writer/producer? Bret W. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:51:59 +0200 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: Multiple Group Names Will Stos a écrit : > Many thanks to Mick and Phil for solving the mystery of the > Darlettes on "Lost". I wonder what kind of rules were in place > when deciding on a name.................. > ........This week on the UK charts a group > originally called Liberty had to rename themselves Liberty X > because another Liberty complained, but I've never heard of > anything similar happening during the 60s. Did it? From what I know, that also happened with 60's/early 70's rock groups, with various results. - Circa 1969, Mountain Bus (a hippie group) was sued by Mountain (Pappalardi/Leslie West) for stealing the name. In actual fact they had the name first but never really recovered from the law suit which required them to state on their album cover that they were in no way connected with Mountain !! - Circa 1970, an "Help" group changed their name to Azitis, due to a conflict with the Decca band "Help" and released their album on Elco and a single featuring two cuts from the album. When the Decca group broke up they took the Help name back with its new more specific definition. - And there are also several examples of US groups having to change their name for the UK market (The US "Gypsy" became "American Gypsy" for the British market, as there already was a UK "Gypsy"), or UK going to the US (I think the Charlatans had to change to "The UK Charlatans" in the 80's because of the 60's San Francisco group). Regards Stephane -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:32:16 -0400 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: It's My Party (NOT the Lesley Gore hit) Brett Wheadon wrote: > Hi, > I've been over to an independent CD store http://www.cdbaby.com > which lists a group called "It's My Party." The tracks I've > heard on the site sound pretty swell, can anyone give me a > review of this disc, and more information about the > writer/producer? It's My Party - the band have an interesting history. You can read about them at http://www.allmusic.com/ and also check out their own website at http://www.itsmypartyonline.com/ - I personally recommend them, they do a good job recreating that sound we know and love. Interestingly, they don't do any LG covers, though I've heard they do live. I bet they are fun live! :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:46:12 -0000 From: Leonardo FLores Subject: The 45 Club @ The Knitting Factory Hello All, Just want to remind you that Southern Califorina's newest Soul Night, The 45 Club will be making it's debut at the Knitting Factory tomorrow (Saturday, May 25th) for a full night of SOUL, SOUL And More SOUL ! Dj's Uplandmod, Austin Martini, Mojo Justin and Special Guest DJ Brian Waters from LA finest, The Flash Express, will spinning an uninterupted set of both Rare and Known Soul 45's for all. For more information or record requests please visit our web site, http://www.the45club.com Hope to see you all there, Cheers, Leonardo Flores -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:02:17 -0700 From: David Ponak Subject: The Liquid Room 5/19/02 The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), airs every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as streaming at http://kpfk.org Please join me this weekend! The Liquid Room 5/19/02 1.The Association/Come On In Birthday (WB) 2.Mansfield/Rally Motor Popp E.P. (Readymade International-Japan) 3.Dudley Moore/Love Me Bedazzled (soundtrack) (Harkit-UK) 4.Double Naught Spy Car/Danger High Danger Hight (Pascal) 5.Pico/I Love You (It's A Man's Man's Mansfield Ultimate Yukari Mix) ABC (Kitty-Japan) 6.Qypthone/Scooter single (Happiness-Japan) 7.Piero Umiliani/Fotomodelle Svezia, Inferno Y Paradiso (Right Tempo-Italy) 8.Eel/Ca Ne Va Pas Du Tout Early Works (File Unique-Japan) 9.Johnny Jones And The King Casuals/Purple Haze David Homes: Come Get It I Got It (13 Amp) 10.Francoiz Brut/L'Affair D'un Jour Vingt A Trente Mille Jours 11.The Cyrkle/It Doesn't Matter Anymore Neon (Sundazed) 12.Rajput & The Sepoy/Up Up And Away Incredibly Strange Music Volume 1 (Caroline) 13.Phoenix/If I Ever Feel Better United (Astralwerks) 14.The Love Generation/Groovy Summertime Mondo For Flower Age (EMI-Japan) 15.R.E.M./I've Been Hgiht (Her Space Holiday/March Blanchi Mix) R.E.M.ix (WB-Promo) 16.Kirinji/The Sunny Side Of The Street Music And Words Of Pizzicato Five-A Tribute Album (Readymade International-Japan) 17.Blossom Dearie/Quiet Nights (Corcovado) May I Come In? (Capitol) 18.Daft Punk/Digital Love Discovery (Virgin) 19.Paul Anka/She's A Lady Live In Las Vegas (Varese Sarabande) 20.PuffyAmiYumi/Jet Police An Illustrated History (Bar/None) 21.Peanuts/Ai No Fuuga Best Of J-Pop Hit Parade 22.Mellow/Take Me Higher C.Q. (soundtrack) (Emperor Norton) 23.Manfred Mann/My Little Red Book What's New Pussycat? (soundtrack) (Rykodisc) 24.Eels/Fresh Feeling Souljacker (Dreamworks) 25.Gary Zekley/Other Towns, Other Girls The Melody Goes On (M&M-Japan) 26.Roland Shaw And His Orchestra/Let Love Come Through In Flight Entertainment (Deram-UK) 27.Les Hommes/Intraspettro Les Homme (Schema-Italy) 28.Mild Euphoria/Delicious Pie Let's Dissolve (Siesta-France) 29.Takkyu Ishino/Stereo Nights Japan For Sale Volume 2 (Sony Music Imports) 30.Synergy/Classical Gas Release 2 (Polygram) 31.Ursuala 1000/Tigerbeat Kinda Kinky (ESL) 32.The First Moog Quartet/Hey Hey The Best Of Moog (Loud) 33.Lemon Jelly/Kneel Before Your God Lemon Jelly (XL) 34.Lee Hazlewood/Leather And Lace A Cowboy In Sweden (SLR) 35.Pink Martini/Song Of The Black Lizard Lounge Story (Naive) 36.Julie Driscoll/I Know You Love Me Not If Your Memory Serves You Well (Dressed to Kill-UK) 37.Craig Armstrong (featuring David McAlmont)/Snow As If To Nothing (Astralwerks) 38.The Ray Makers/Contact High Cook Book CD (Eenie Meenie) 39.Gary Wilson/6.4=Make Out You Think You Really Know Me (Motel) 40.Luke Slater/I Can Complete You Alright On Top (Mute) 41.Paul Weller/Wild Wood (Portishead Mix) Boys (soundtrack) (A&M) 42.The J. Girls/The World Of Yellow Good Night Tokyo (Readymade-Japan) 43.Paul Williams/Morning I'll Be Moving On Someday Man (Reprise) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:14:05 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: jackie de s. demos I've been thoroughly enjoying volume 1 (or whichever vol. includes Jimmy Baby and I Shook The World) of the demos collection put out by the Jackie DeShannon Appreciation Society. Can anyone suggest whether or not another $20 invested in the remaining volume would be equally well-spent? Sharon Sheeley, RIP: the only person I know of to have co-written with both DeShannon and Del Shannon. --Phil Milstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:21:28 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbot Subject: siesta time... Nice to see the lovely Siesta label getting a mention. This Spanish label have put out some very nice Free Design compilations, and a smile-inducing series called Reverie which includes a CD called "Simultaneous Ice Cream" which features a variety of what are pretty well 'house' artists. Lead off track here is a splendid cover of Eternity's Children's "Mrs Bluebird" (mainly organised by the excellent Louis Philippe). Whilst on the subject of Euro labels and indeed Mr Phillippe, I must completely recommend his album "Azure" on XIII Bis Records. It is an album of rare beauty, for anyone who loves the romanticism of Pet Sounds. Put Louis into a search engine and you'll be surprised how prolific he is. Don't forget the Marina label as well - Caroline Now collection, and albums by Scotland's Pearlfishers. Lastly, the eclectic el label (Part of Cherry Red) where again you'll find the lovely Louis and many sunshiney collections like "Sunshine Pop 99" (El acme 28). You'll find el records via http://www.cherryred.co.uk You'll find Seista at http://www.siesta.es Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:48:27 -0400 From: james botticelli Subject: Re: Kalin Twins; Orpheus and BossTown, Diane Renay Paul Payton wrote: > MGM group was the most > successful of the Bosstown Sound hypefest of the late 60's, where MGM > Records tried to shamelessly cash in on the "groovy hippie movement" by > "manufacturing" a Boston trend, which was supposed to be the "next big rock > scene" after San Francisco. All three bands involved - Orpheus, Ultimate > Spinach, and Beacon Street Union - were existing groups, but totally unripe. > (Another band, Phluph, on MGM's Verve subsidiary, wasn't "officially" a > Bosstown Sound band, nor was Ill Wind on ABC, although both were caught in > the debacle by association.) The most progressive and pompous of these > groups was Ultimate Spinach, and the least-ready-for-prime-time was the > Beacon Street Union. To their credit, Orpheus managed some decent pop hits, > but were quite obviously not the album rock group MGM had hoped for. For > several years after, unless you were a folkie, being a progressive artist > from Boston was somewhat of an embarrassment thanks to MGM's idiocy..... .....but like anything that happened over 20 years ago, it has become the property of post ironists, Newspeak look-backs, and lastly, but not leastly, CD Re-Issueists. Country Paul IMHO correctly labels Orpheus as the best of the bosstown bunch. There was an Orpheus reissue a few years back that pretty well encapsulates their poppishly orchestrated and jazzily melodic music, but as is the case with nearly all well-intentioned CD reissues, managed to leave out some essential material. To own the Orpheus without having the tune "Lesley's World" is to be essentially Orpheus-less. Again, IMHO! I recommend the first Orpheus LP which starts with "Congress Alley" and has their only hit, "Can't Find The Time To Tell You." The LP rarely turns up and for some reason--hopefully local (Boston) only--is garishly overpriced. I will add that I was there when the Bosstown Sound hype began. Its local shill was a cool AM DJ named Dick Summers who urged us all to take a paper clip and fashion it into an "S" to "spread the sound". To his credit, Dick started the "Subway" show in 1967 which only aired Sunday. nights and played selections from the emerging underground (Fugs, CJFish, Hendrix LP trax, etc). When Dick came to my high school to play my senior prom in 68, I was crushed that he "sold out" by playing our pop faves...And so it goes -- Jimmy Botticelli Taking The E-Z...Way Out! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jared Martine Subject: Re: Dean's "The Blue Fox" T-Shirt Leonardo Flores: > Where is the Blue Fox that Dean so proudly wears on > his shirt The Blue Fox was a bar in TJ, back in the 60s. Supposedly the site of one of the "donkey shows". I found it to be quite dark and populated with hustlers. Jake -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:13:50 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Motown bass players/Motown Magic Nick, Thank you for that great info!! Now, do you by any chance know why Berry Gordy didn't transplant James Jamerson (as well as the other key Motown rhythm section players) to LA when Motown moved out there? After initially still cutting rhythm tracks in Detroit with the original section, which were then sent to LA for vocal recordings and "sweetening" by transplanted arranger Gene Page at Poppy Studios (later taken over by Motown as their own studio), Berry eventually used an LA rhythm section made up of local studio musicians, including drummer Ed Green and female bassist Carol Kaye. That brings two things to mind: 1) Is Gene Page recognized as the extraordinary arranger that he was, not only responsible for so many unforgettable Motown arrangements, but later also as Phil Spector's arranger for some awesome productions, incl. "Black Pearl" ?? 2) Having always been a Motown nut, I was thrilled to bits when I got invited to an L.A, Motown session by ace sax player Jim Horn (whose album "Through the Eyes of a Horn" I was producing and mixing at the time for Denny Cordell's Shelter Records). Expecting to witness that "Motown Magic" experience, I was deeply disappointed. There was no buzz, and no magic. Everybody just "showed up" and "clocked in" factory-like to work, and then "clocked out" when the session was over... CONVERSELY--- A totally different experience, perhaps somewhat related at least to the "Motown Magic," was a session I was hired for as arranger/conducter by Lamont Dozier, who had split from the Hollands and Motown to start his own record production company. The session took place in South L.A.'s ghetto area and I must have been the only white guy in miles when I showed up at the studio, scared to death, to be greeted by an all black orchestra. As it turned out, it was one of the most joyful music celebrations I ever attended, and the players were awesome, truly putting their whole soul into their parts. No drugs, but I was high as a weather balloon when I left the studio, just on the sheer jubilant energy and passion that pervaded the whole session. How did I get hired for this in the first place? That was in my "Marc Peters" days, when I had a #1 R&B record with John Valenti's "Anything You want." John, though white, sounded like Stevie Wonder, and everybody thought that he, as well as I, were black. But when I showed up at Lamont's session, and once the musicians had run through the parts I had written, I couldn't have felt more accepted. They played their nuts off for me, and I felt like part of the family. Thought you might be interested in knowing a bit about the "unknown" sides of "Mark Wirtz" LOL Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:23:44 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Bedazzled Is The Breakaways' Bedazzled the cool version heard in the flick, in the sequence in which Cook appears to be stealing Moore's thunder as an idolized popster (or is that popstar?!) ?? I understand that Peter & Dudley also have their own recording of this. Millenium of Molybdenum, 2002 AD Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:22:36 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Kalin Twins Frank writes: > The Kalin Twins did indeed record more than this hit single. > I have a compilation CD of their songs. Thank you for the info, Frank, and those of you who also responded to me on that point. Do the other tracks on the CD measure up to "When", Frank?? Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:46:57 EDT From: Will George Subject: Brians Wilson & Gari Some of you Brian Wilson fans may be interested in checking out singer/songwriter Brian Gari's website http://www.briangari.com He has recorded a CD of Brian Wilson tunes, and not the big hits. I invited Brian to drop in as well, so maybe he'll show up around these parts soon. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:14:18 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Another Ricky Nelson Q, ++ While still curious to learn who the back-up vocalists on the early Ricky Nelson recordings were, another (obvious) question comes to mind: Who produced those early recordings? I am particularly curious as it raises a technical issue: While Snuff Garrett is commonly credited as the first producer to have a vocalist double-track/self-harmonize with Bobby Vee (double tracking, essentially, was surely originated by guitarist Les Paul), shouldn't that honor go to whoever produced "Hello Mary Lou"? As I ponder these kind of things, being able to come here for answers, it occurs to me how wonderful the Spectropop living archive-in-progress truly is, a veritable treasure. My salute and appreciation to the "heads" of it, as well as all of you that contribute with such dedication - just for the love of it. Makes me feel proud to be a member! Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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