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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Roger Nichols
From: Mikey
2. Kenny Laguna
From: Mark Frumento
3. My Dad... Fluffy... Honey...
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
4. Earl Sink; Roger Nichols; Buck Ram
From: Paul Payton
5. cover girls uncovered
From: john rausch
6. RN & SCOF
From: Bill Reed
7. RE: Canadian G
From: Mike Demers
8. Re: The Ronettes' "Lovers"
From: Paul Underwood
9. Faithful/Hopkins
From: Jack Fitzpatrick
10. Bobby Sheen/Bob B Soxx Tribute
From: Jack Fitzpatrick
11. Re: Earl Sink; Roger Nichols; Buck Ram
From: Mikey
12. Later, Girls
From: simon white
13. Re: The Ronettes 'Lovers'
From: Keith Beach
14. Re: Roger Nichols songs
From: Stewart Mason
15. Re: Later, Girls
From: Phil Milstein
16. Re: Roger Nichols songs
From: Paul R.
17. Re: Later, Girls
From: Paul R.
18. Re: Buck Ram.
From: Guy Lawrence
19. Re: RONNIE SPECTOR'S "LOVE ME LA-DE-DAY"
From: Mick Patrick
20. The Liquid Room 6/02/02
From: David Ponak
21. Re: Later, Girls
From: Vincent Degiorgio
22. Re: Kenny Laguna
From: Deborah Albericci
23. Golden-voiced "Hairspray"
From: Spector Collector
24. Re: My Dad..It Was Mama...etc
From: james botticelli
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:47:03 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Roger Nichols
laughingmood:
> Does anybody have any copies of these Roger Nichols songs?
I've got The Pastors LP, not sure if SM is on it tho.
Mikey
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 23:20:42 -0400
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Kenny Laguna
Whoever recommended or posted info about Laguna Tunes gets an A+ in my book.
I found a used copy on Amazon and I am well delighted with it. It's got to
be the most diverse CD I've purchased in some time. Certainly "Dario (Can
You Get Me Into Sudio 54)" has to rank as one of the great, late bubblegum
tunes of all time?
Now here's my question for anyone who knows Kenny or has met him: what's he
like? I ask this because I found the liner notes very entertaining.
Sometimes quite frank and even sarcastic, maybe even a tad bitter in places.
Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression but this is almost certainly an
interesting person?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:15:21 EDT
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
Subject: My Dad... Fluffy... Honey...
Okay... I lose it during "My Dad..." I haven't heard "Fluffy." Is it about a
dog? Or a cat? However... the one song that made me crazy for most of the
year it was a hit was Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey". I know there's nothing
redeeming about it, and it pushes all the wonk buttons and manipulates the
listener's tear ducts to near dryness, but objectively-speaking... it does me
in every time.
OY.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:41:54 -0400
From: Paul Payton
Subject: Earl Sink; Roger Nichols; Buck Ram
Noting David Ponak's professional association leads me to enquire regarding
some interesting early 60's Warner Brothers product. Most specifically at
the moment, a gentleman named Earl Sink with a great uptempo pop song,
"Little Suzy Parker," possibly 1961 or so. Nice background vocals - a girl
ground and some novelty stuff that works. Any info on him? Any more records
on WB or elsewhere? Any albums or CD's? Similar style?
From Matt Howell:
> the limited edition CD of Roger Nicholls and the Small Circle of Friends...
http://cdnow.com/switch/from=cr-9635397-1/target=buyweb_purchase/itemid=1493353
Yikes! Looks good, but must pass - not for the faint of wallet....
Things I Didn't Realize Dept.: Having just seen a picture of him for the
first time, I never knew that Buck Ram (producer/writer/manager of the
Platters) was white! Not that it makes a difference... Incidentally, it is
posted on a page on the Penguins ("Earth Angel"), reached via the DooWop
Society site http://electricearl.com/dws/ - seems the Penguins were lured
away from Dooto[ne] to Mercury by Ram, who then abandoned them to
concentrate on the Platters, of whom he owned a share. Ram certainly made
quite an impact on the soft side of doo-wop.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:56:31 -0400
From: john rausch
Subject: cover girls uncovered
Kingsley Abbott wrote:
> .....and returning to the 80s, you might
> like to look out for The Cover Girls 1987 album "Show Me"
> (Fever Records SFS 004). Mostly 80s synth predictability
> save for one track "That Boy Of Mine" that re-creates '64
> girlies sounds right from its 'boom-di-boom' intro.
Thanks so much, believe it or not you just uncovered an age old mystery for me.
Years back a friend had a cassette that I heard and it was an 80s girl group
and I remembered hearing the Be My Baby drum intro and asked later on to borrow
it and he gave me another cassette by another 80s girl group Sweet Sensation,
well, the song I was after was not on there and he assured me that was the tape
I had heard. I since have collected that type of 80s girl pop after really
getting into Sweet Sensation but all these years I have wondered just what did
I hear on cassette. As soon as I read your post I knew that I was not dreaming
and I did hear the song you mentioned That Boy Of Mine. A quick search to Kazaa
yeilded a hit.
Thanks for solving an age old mystery for me.
John Rausch
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:10:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Reed
Subject: RN & SCOF
Matt Howell
>Here is a link to the CD Now page for the limited edition CD
> of Roger Nicholls and the Small Circle of Friends. I hope
> this is what you're looking for:
The problem with this release is that it is not the
complete Small Circle. There is another CD still
available in Japan that has seven more tracks than
this one. This is the so-called limited edition
Japanese format, meaning that it appeals to the fetish
of some listeners from that nation who would rather
have an EXACT replica of the original album rather
than a version "defiled" by bonus tracks.
Curiously, that CD Now link lists the arrangers as
being Marty Paich and Van Dyke Parks. But as far as
know Parks had little or nothing to do with the album,
and Paich contributed only one or two arrangements.
Instead, the lion's share of arrangments were done by
Nick DeCaro, who himself performs that little airy
filligree at the end of "Snow Queen," that prefigures
that same La-a-a-a-ah hook on Carpenters' "Close to
You" by more than a year.
Bill Reed
http://msn.communities.com/NickDeCaro
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:15:13 -0700
From: Mike Demers
Subject: RE: Canadian G
Probably stretching this a bit but certainly the Wilson sisters from
Heart certainly helped to put Mushroom Studios and Vancouver on the map.
(I know they were Americans but we thought of them as our own).
Mushroom Studios, for anyone who has the pleasure to record there, is
one of the most amazing sounding studios! No longer any good for
mixing, but all sorts of srtists continue to record beds there!
Mike Demers
http://www.victoriahauntedhouse.com
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:13:50 +0200
From: Paul Underwood
Subject: Re: The Ronettes' "Lovers"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> To set the record straight, it was not until the release, five years
> later, of that label's "The Wall Of Sound" box set (WOS 001), that
> "Lovers" by the Ronettes was unleashed. It was featured on the
> group's "The Greatest Hits, Volume 11" (PSI 2335 233), one of nine
> LPs contained within said box. I remember that this album was
> subsequently made available as a 'stand alone' item, much to the
> chagrin of many who had already shelled out for the entire box to
> obtain it.
>
> Alas this track has yet to gain issue on a legal CD. I suspect it
> never will.
I bought the "stand-alone" album in a sale and I think I saw other items
from the box set at the same time so I suppose shops like HMV were just
trying to cut their losses. "Lovers" is a curiosity: the Ronnie Spector
autiobiography lists it as a 1965 recording (like the similar-sounding
and equally curious "Oh I Love You"). Also, in Alan Betrock's "Girl
Groups" book, she refers to the song as "Baby let's be lovers". Strange
that no writer has been found, though. I wonder if Anders & Poncia or
Harry Nilsson were involved.
Paul
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:50:38 -0000
From: Jack Fitzpatrick
Subject: Faithful/Hopkins
Hi all,
I am just sitting here playing the Decca import Marianne Faithful CD
which has eluded me until this afternoon. It hits me like a ton of
bricks that Marianne would have been perfect for all the songs that
went to Mary Hopkin, especially "Those were the Days", "Temma Harbour"
etc.. Did Sir Paul ever consider recording these with her, or was she
too far embroiled in the Rolling Stones lifestyle at the time. Anyway,
there are great similarities between Ms Faithful and Ms Hopkin. Anyone
else hear it?
Love to hear from you on this.
JF
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:48:20 -0000
From: Jack Fitzpatrick
Subject: Bobby Sheen/Bob B Soxx Tribute
Hi
Would like to challenge site members to DISCOVER the influence that
Bobby Sheen and the Blossoms aka Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans had
on the industry following their hits "Zip a dee do-dah" and "Why Do
Lovers Break Each Other's Hearts". Look for these singles and hear
the influence:
Swingin' on a star - Big Dee Irwin and Little Eva (Dimension 1010)
Mockingbird - Charles and Inez Fox (Symbol 919)
Mr Magic Moon - Gleams (Kapp 565)
Anything you can do - Majors (Imperial x5914)
But I do - Jewels (Dimension 1048)
Timmy Boy - Timmy & Persianettes (Olympia 100)
What makes little girls cry - Victorians (Liberty 55574)
Hickory Dickory Dock - Baby Jane & Rockabyes (Spokane 4001)
Book of Love - Raindrops (Jubilee single)
Christmas Song/We wish you a merry - Irwin & Eva (Dimension 1021)
These are probably but a small sampling of how that Bob B Soxx sound
influenced an industry...investigate and enjoy.
God Bless Bobby Sheen...we miss him.
Regards
JF
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:16:07 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Earl Sink; Roger Nichols; Buck Ram
Paul Payton:
> Most specifically at the moment, a gentleman named Earl Sink
> with a great uptempo pop song, "Little Suzy Parker," possibly
> 1961 or so.
>>>>For those who dont know, Earl Sink was the guy who replaced
Buddy Holly in The Crickets. He sang with the group for a short
while, then left to go solo. He was a talented guy, who deserved
to be more than he was. Probably the hardest job in rock would
have been to try to replace Buddy Holly.
Your Friend,
Mikey
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:11:30 +0100
From: simon white
Subject: Later, Girls
On the subject of later girl sounds, can I just ask what we know
collectively about The Pearls on Bell in the U.K ?
Also maybe Thunder Thighs [surely the best girl group name ever],
The Paper Dolls and a young lady called Sharon Benson who had a
nice little thing called "Get It Over With" produced by, I seem
to remember, the people who did The Nolan Sisters, surely the
greatest girl group in the history of the universe?
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:22:47 -0000
From: Keith Beach
Subject: Re: The Ronettes 'Lovers'
I was with Mick Patrick on one occasion that he visited the Polygram
(Polydor?) offices to discuss the planning and production of the
vinyl box-set of Spector albums. The guy we met was running through
the various track listings/packaging etc. as well as discussing what
other material had been sent by Phil. There was a lot of 'bought in'
material that was obviously not produced by Phil (The Brewers springs
to mind - a Manhattan transfer type group) and was probably sent to
fulfill contracts. Many of the tapes were very basically labelled,
sometimes just an artist/title name and no other details. 'Lovers'
was one of these. We were told that as they wanted to use the track
on 'Ronettes Greatest II' they'd done their best to source the
writers and publishing house, but had drawn a blank. I remember
commenting at the time that perhaps they should have checked
on 'Baby, let's be lovers' or 'Let's be lovers', as the information
on the tapes was so unreliable. Of course now we can do this
ourselves (via the internet) at BMI or ASCAP. But I've had no luck
tracking down this song.
Just in case it's never been mentioned before..."Girls Can Tell" was
listed as by the Crystals on 'Rare Masters' because some Polydor
minion assumed that's who it was - it was obvious to the rest of us
it was really The Ronettes. Mick and I pointed this out to the guy at
Polydor who seemed a little embarassed about it. We only later
discovered that The Crystals had indeed also recorded the song
(finally issued on Back to Mono box-set)
Re Chiffons "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me"/"Lovely La-De-Day"
Do we know for a fact who wrote the Ronnie Spector "Lovely la-de-
day"? I don't recall if writers credits were on the acetate. "I Love
Him Like I Love My Very Life' was recorded at the same time and is a
Toni Wine song, so is it an assumption that both songs are Toni Wine,
in which case it seems strange to me that she would have
written two songs that contain an almost identical phrase. Perhaps
Ronnie's acetate was so labelled because someone misheard the phrase?
"Love Me Laddy Day" is such a distinctive/poetic phrase...could it be
an American children's thing (like "Iko Iko").
Keith Beach
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:38:29 -0400
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Roger Nichols songs
I don't believe anyone's mentioned the Sunshine Company's version
of "To Put Up With You" (Nichols/Williams) on their 1968 album
SUNSHINE AND SHADOWS.
S
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:55:29 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Later, Girls
simon white wrote:
> On the subject of later girl sounds, can I just ask what we know
> collectively about The Pearls on Bell in the U.K ?
> Also maybe Thunder Thighs [surely the best girl group name ever],
There was a Thunder Thighs credited for backing vocals on Lou Reed's
Transformer album (from c.1973).
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:09:21 EDT
From: Paul R.
Subject: Re: Roger Nichols songs
Another one that hasn't been mentioned is my favourite version of 'Trust' by
the UK group The Two of Each which is on the great Ripples CD 'Rainbows',also
a Spanish version of 'I see only you' by Simpatico on A&M,I think The
Peppermint Trolley Company also did a good version of 'Trust'.
Paul R
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:38:47 EDT
From: Paul R.
Subject: Re: Later, Girls
I've got a great single by 'The Pearls' called 'Wizard of Love', also got
copies of 'Third Finger,left hand' & 'I'll see you in my dreams' on K-Tel
comps,all these singles,as well as their hit 'Guilty' are fantastic.I don't
know much about them apart from being produced by Johnny Arthey & Philip
Swern.I like many of Arthey's productions but can't name any off the top of
my head,Gerry Shury conducted & arranged them,he has a very distinctive
string & guitar sound,again,without research I'm not sure what else he
did.Any info would be appreciated.Shury might have produced Polly Brown's 'Up
in a Puff of Smoke' which is another great 70s production,correct me if I'm
wrong.
Paul R
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2026 08:34:56 -0700
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: Buck Ram.
Paul Payton wrote......
> Things I Didn't Realize Dept.: Having just seen a picture of him for the
> first time, I never knew that Buck Ram (producer/writer/manager of the
> Platters) was white! Not that it makes a difference... Ram certainly made
> quite an impact on the soft side of doo-wop.
I didn't realise he was white either! - even after reading the sleevenotes for
the excellent new Ace CD, "Foot Stompin'" by the Flares (CDCHD841). Seems he
new all about the harder side of doo-wop too!
Regards,
Guy Lawrence
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:14:23 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: RONNIE SPECTOR'S "LOVE ME LA-DE-DAY"
Keith asked:
> Do we know for a fact who wrote the Ronnie Spector "Lovely
> la-de-day" (sic)? I don't recall if writers credits were on
> the acetate. "I Love Him Like I Love My Very Life' was
> recorded at the same time and is a Toni Wine song, so is it
> an assumption that both songs are by Toni Wine, in which case
> it seems strange to me that she would have written two songs
> that contain an almost identical phrase. Perhaps Ronnie's
> acetate was so labelled because someone misheard the phrase?
No songwriters are credited on the acetate of Ronnie Spector's
"Love Me La-de-day". However, back in 1971 Ronnie gave an
interview in Melody Maker in which she referred to the song as
"written by Phil with Toni Wine". It was that interview which
sparked the rumour that that song and the Chiffons' "Love Me
Like You're Gonna Lose Me" (which features the line "Love Me
La-de-day" in the background and is another Toni Wine co-
composition) were one and the same. All these years later we
eventually find out that this is UNFORTUNATELY not the case.
The Chiffons' "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" is a great
song, wonderfully produced and beautifully performed. "Love Me
La-de-day" by Ronnie Spector is NONE of those things.
Yeah, I remember that day at Polydor, Keith. We must have been
all of, what, fourteen years of age. The guy we met was Andrew
Hoy. Didn't I arrive rather blemished? The result of getting
trapped in the closing doors of a tube train. I think I'm still
wearing that jacket.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:58:23 -0400
From: David Ponak
Subject: The Liquid Room 6/02/02
The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), airs every Saturday
night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as
streaming at http://kpfk.org.
Please join me this weekend!
The Liquid Room 6/02/02
1.The Association/Come On In
Birthday (WB)
Someday Man (Reprise)
2.N.E.R.D./Baby Doll
In Search Of (Virgin)
3.Harpers Bizarre/I Love You Alice B. Toklas
4 (Sundazed)
4.La Casa Azul/Galletas (???)
5.PuffyAmiYumi/Love So Pure
An Illustrated History (Bar/None)
6.Soulwax/Push It-No Fun
The Best Bootlegs In The World Ever (NL-UK)
7.The Seed/Mr. Farmer
Web Of Sound (Edsel)
8.Anubian Lights/Stavox
Naz Bar (Crippled Dick Hot Wax-Germany)
9.Percy Faith/Crunchy Granola Suite
Corozon (Columbia)
10.Ursula 1000/Tigerbeat
Kinda Kinky (ESL)
11.The Cryan Shames/First Train To California
Synthesis (Sundazed)
12.Henry Buzz Glass/The Rain Is Falling
Les Chansons De Pervert (Crippled Dick Hot Wax-Germany)
13.Mansfield/Rally
Motor Popp EP (Readymade International-Japan)
14.Mel Torme/She's Leaving Home
A Time For Us (Capitol)
15.Gabor Szabo with the California Dreamers/A Day In The The Life
Wind, Sky & Diamonds
16.Hooper/Milky Lychee (???)
17.Mum/Green Grass Of Tunnel
Finally We Are No Oone (Fat Cat-UK)
18.Francoise Hardy/Chanson D'o
La Question (Virgin-France)
19.Electrocugat/Dacosta
Visconti Con Hielo (Rambling Records-Japan)
20.Paul McCartney/Temporary Secretary
McCartney II (Parlophone-UK)
21.The Easy Access Orchestra/Swinging London
The Affair (Irma-Italy)
22.Scott Walker/Thanks For Chicago Mr. James
Till The Band Comes In (BGO-UK)
23.The Flaming Lips/Do You Realize?
Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots (WB)
24.The Maxwell Implosion/From Mousy To Marvelous
Small Circle Of Friends (Emperor Norton)
25.Roger Nichols & The Small Circle Of Friends/Kinda Wasted Without You
Roger Nichols & The Small Circle Of Friends (A&M)
26.The Pet Shop Boys/Home And Dry
Release (Sanctuary)
27.Love/Andmoreagain
Forever Changes (Rhino)
28.Miharu Koshi/The World Without You
Music And Words Of Pizzicato Five (Readymade International-Japan)
29.The Singers Unlimited/Angel Eyes
Sentimental Journey (MPS)
30.Jack Jones/Without Her
Without Her (RCA)
31.Double Naught Spy Car/Danger High
Danger High (Pascal)
32.Webster Lewis/On The Town
On The Town (Epic)
33.Ronnie Aldrich And His Two Pianos/Do It Again
This Way "In" (London)
34.Stew/Giselle
The Naked Dutch Painter And Other Songs (Smile)
35.Dengue Fever/Glass Of Wine (CDR)
36.The Elektrik Cokernut/Jungle Juice
Go Moog! (MFP-UK)
37.Rocky Chack/Smile IN The Hole
single (Midi-Japan)
38.Donna Summer & John Barry/Deep Down Inside
John Barry-Lounge Legends (Universal-Germany)
39.Faye Wong/Seperate Ways
single (EMI-Hong Kong)
40.Karl Zero/El Bodeguero
Songs For Cabriolets (Naive)
41.The Beach Boys/Solar System
Love You (Reprise)
42.Mellow/Rivolizione Sessatanovi
CQ (soundtrack) (Emperor Norton)
43.P.F. Sloan/You Baby
Child Of Our Times (Varese Sarabande)
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:27:57 -0700
From: Vincent Degiorgio
Subject: Re: Later, Girls
I am almost sure that Gerry also co-wrote the disco classic "Devil's Gun".
Vince
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0400
From: Deborah Albericci
Subject: Re: Kenny Laguna
Kenny Laguna was recently interviewed on WFMU. It's a great interview IMO.
You can find the archive here:
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JS
Deb
ps Your impressions are not far off!
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:04:04 +0000
From: Spector Collector
Subject: Golden-voiced "Hairspray"
Phil mentioned that whoever sings lead on the Web versions of the
"Hairspray" songs nails Ronnie's "woh-oh-oh" perfectly. She's had practice:
Annie Golden, former lead singer of The Shirts, sang the Ronettes songs in
the original Broadway production of "Leader of the Pack," so it's her voice
you hear on the cast recording. She also did a girl-groupy song "Hang Up the
Phone" on the soundtrack to the movie "Sixteen Candles." (The songs on the
Web site feature singers other than those in the cast, so are probably demos
from the show's early days. It should be safe to assume that the cast's
versions will be on the Sony release.)
David A. Young
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:54:18 -0400
From: james botticelli
Subject: Re: My Dad..It Was Mama...etc
Jimmy Crescitelli wrote:
> OY.
YO! How about BJ Thomas' "It Was Mama". Or have I been out of the loop
too long and this doesn't count?
Paul R. wrote:
> also got copies of 'Third Finger, left hand'
Previously cut by Martha & The Vandellas on the flip side of the "Jimmy Mack"
single, never on any LP. Good tune.
David Ponak wrote:
> Webster Lewis/On The Town On The Town (Epic)
Boston guy...saw him in '74 here at Symphony Hall...on the heels of Love
Unlimited...great show.
The One And Only Jimmy "Mack" B
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