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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: music in commercials
From: Patrick Beckers
2. Re: Then He Kissed Me
From: Mikey
3. Toni Jones/Cupcakes
From: John Clemente
4. Vontastic Voyage
From: Bill Craig
5. Re: Gomez
From: Stewart Mason
6. Re: Rascals
From: Steve Harvey
7. Oh the pain!
From: Martin Roberts
8. Re: music in commercials
From: Martin Roberts
9. Tea's ready, Cupcakes time!
From: Martin Roberts
10. Toni Jones/Cupcakes
From: Ian and Pat Slater
11. Re: Rascals
From: James Botticelli
12. Re: Vontastics
From: zombie7123
13. Jim Backus On Vacation
From: zombie7123
14. Marginal girls
From: Doc
15. Doo-Lang
From: Doc
16. Cupcakes and Toni Jones
From: Mike Edwards
17. Hale & The Hushabyes
From: Martin Roberts
18. I own a Hale & The Hushabyes
From: Steve Harvey
19. Re: Jim Backus On Vacation
From: Dave
20. Where Have You Been The Last Month?!
From: Martin Roberts
21. Dear dear
From: thomas taber
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:58:44 +0100
From: Patrick Beckers
Subject: Re: music in commercials
Alan Gordon:
> Does anyone know who does that really nice sparse arrangement
> of The Beatles "Getting Better" for the Philips ads on
> American tv? Sounds a little like Jellyfish.
If Philips hasn't made a new recording by a new artists, it must be the
British band Gomez.
Patrick Beckers
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 08:49:02 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Then He Kissed Me
Robert:
> What is the instrument playing the solo on this song's
> introductory bars? [Then He Kissed Me]
Robert, that's a guitar and piano in unison.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:10:44 -0500
From: John Clemente
Subject: Toni Jones/Cupcakes
Hello All,
This is in answer to Mike Edwards' inquiry about the
Toni Jones/Cupcakes records. I'm surprised that you
haven't found an original copy of "Pied Piper", as it
is fairly common. As far as the Toni Jones single goes,
it seems that collectors are still in bidding wars over
that one. I haven't seen a copy go for less than $25.00
in private auctions. Sorry, I can't help you with CD
versions of either.
Regards,
John Clemente
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:44:52 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Vontastic Voyage
The discussion about the possibility that Lennon and McCartney
had not written one of the Beatles' hits that they are credited
with, made me think of a somewhat similar story.
In the mid-nineties a friend of mine named Andy had become
friendly with Jimmy Webb. When I heard that he knew Mr. Webb I
asked him to mention to him at some point that a friend of his
(me)had always suspected that the Johnny Rivers song Poor Side
Of Town had actually been written by Jim Webb although he was
not so credited. When Andy brought this up with J.W. he avoided
giving him a definitive answer but implied that he might be on to
something. Thus began, over a few months, a series of conversations
between Andy and J.W. in which the legendary writer and Grammy
winner confessed that over the years, mostly late '60s, early 70's,
he had ghost-written many big hits for other artists and let them
claim writing credits for themselves,including THE BEATLES!
When Andy reported this in strictest confidence back to me and
another friend, we were, of course, skeptical but intrigued.
To make a fairly long story short, after totally convincing Andy
that this was true and adding enough detail to the story to have
the rest of us almost wavering on the brink of suspending disbelief,
Jimmy admitted that the whole thing was a goof. I guess anybody who
can write such great pop classics is also creative enough to spin
a convincing yarn.
Regards to all,
Bill Craig
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:03:29 -0500
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Gomez
Alan Gordon asks:
> Does anyone know who does that really nice sparse arrangement
> of The Beatles "Getting Better" for the Philips ads on American
> TV? Sounds a little like Jellyfish.
As noted by others, it's the British pop group Gomez -- the
full version is on their odd'n'sods album ABANDONED SHOPPING
TROLLEY HOTLINE (Virgin, 2000).
S
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:56:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Rascals
Country Paul,
If you see Eddie ask him if he's talked to Mari Thelander
lately. She was the one holding the Rascals torch aloft
during the 90s.
By the way, how did you get into voiceovers? [offlist]
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:05:21 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Oh the pain!
> If I were Mo Ostin, I'd probably have chosen not to release
> it either.
Country Paul's words went through me like a knife! Oh the pain,
the hurt and the rejection!!! Or am I over reacting? :-)
Ain't it funny though how bears like honey and you want EVERYONE
to love the music you love?
Earlier postings of mine might have indicated that if a record
release has a date post '66/'67 my eyes (and ears) start to glaze
over. The impression is correct! It's not that I don't know I'll
love some post punk era music - this was about the time I gave
up on 'modern' stuff-more to do with the still vast amount of
60s discs I've yet to hear. How many records, books, films,
websites and magazines can one person consume! Around this 'real
world' I've somehow got to find the time to run my business,
feed my family and sleep!
But since I started collecting and editing the Nitzsche site
it seemed only proper to obtain Jack's discs, CDs etc; Even if
this meant finding dates attached to them as alien to me as
1971, 1988, 2001!! Yikes! For the most part I have, as expected,
enjoyed them. "3 Piece Suite", although not an immediate
smasharoony really gets under my skin. I love it. "Lower
California", "The Loneliest Fool", "Little Al", "Sleeping
Daughter" and "Marie" (pure beauty on plastic!), for example.
And just to let you know Jack never took himself too seriously,
the 'fun' of "New Mexico" and "On The Moodus Run". As surreal
as the lyrics by Robert Downey are, it is Jack's use of music
to create a mood that hits me in the guts.
Van Dyke Parkisms? Some, agreed, but I'm not clued up enough on
Van Dyke to be sure they were not originally Nitzscheisms!
Certainly echoes of this facet of Jack can be heard on a fair
few of his 60s records. And just as I was putting away my still
soggy hankie, the latest part of C.P.'s review came in and put
the smile back on my face! Pleased you enjoyed two of the demos
Paul, what about Carly and Reno?
As for the rather gorgeous Priscilla and her sisters, yes I have
the LP and used to have 3 of the 45s but I went through a phase
of disposing of 'duplicate' records, shame. Channelling the
mysticism induced by Marie, I feel a Paris Sisters 45 might
turn up as next week's Record Of The Week!
Martin
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:49:38 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: music in commercials
Alan Gordon wrote:
> Does anyone know who does that really nice sparse arrangement
> of The Beatles "Getting Better" for the Philips ads on
American tv? Sounds a little like Jellyfish.
...and Phil Milstein replied:
> I presumed it to be studio hands, rather than an intact combo.
....and Bryan replied:
> Actually, the version you may be thinking of is by the British
> group Gomez. The Wondermints, Liquor Giants and other bands
> I know and love (some of 'em) turned in versions of "Getting
> Better" to the ad company as well, but they went with Gomez.
And Martin replied: Strewth, is there no end to the knowledge
you can find on this site!
Martin
PS Mentioning the Beatles again, Day Tripper, UK slang? Maybe it's
my convent education but in our family we used to have a few 'day
trips' to the seaside etc. Maybe some kids from the tougher side
of the tracks can elaborate?! :-)
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:34:22 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Tea's ready, Cupcakes time!
Hi Mike,
I was chatting off line with another 'popper and he also wanted
to hear Cupcakes. I still have it on my hard drive, so nice
and easy mp3 playing on musica. I had intended to use Toni
Jones on Jack's Record Of The Week in the near future. If nobody
else posts it, I'll play it then.
Martin
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:46:10 -0000
From: Ian and Pat Slater
Subject: Toni Jones/Cupcakes
Like me, and doubtless others on the group, Mike Edwards has
been hunting down Alan Betrock's top 131 girl group records.
He asked about the availability of:
Toni Jones - Here Comes My Baby (Smash, 1963)
Cupcakes - Pied Piper (Diamond, 1965)
The first was reissued under the title "Dear (Here Comes My
Baby)" on the Japanese "A-Side" label CD "Phil Spector Master
-piece Vol. 2". It's a gimmicky, fast, doo-woppy record with
a male-lead chorus croaking "Dear dear dear dear..." in the
background. A great party record. Written, I think, by Uncle
Phil (the sleeve notes are mostly in Japanese) but I'm sur
someone on this site will be able to confirm or refute that
with authority.
I'm pretty sure the CD is deleted now and quite scarce.
The Cupcakes record is absolutely classic girl -group sound,
about a boy who has all the girls running after him (you
probably guessed that). Written by Ritchie Cordell and....
Paul Simon!) The flip, a ballad - "Winter Blue", is almost
as good, written by Ritchie Cordell who produced both tracks.
To my knowledge neither side has ever been reissued,
more's the pity.
Ian Slater
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:23:53 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Rascals
James B Gerwitz wrote:
> Of course in those days "More" was filler compared to all
. their other killer stuff.
for a modern take on "More" check out Balanco on Nicola Conte's
label out of Italy. Bossa-fied with live instruments. A gem of
a version IMHO
JB
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:23:27 -0000
From: zombie7123
Subject: Re: Vontastics
Billy:
> I always thought "Day Tripper" was a British (slang) term,
> and no American black musican could have come up using
> that term.
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Daytripper was about a prostitute. One of three hooker tunes
> the Fabs did.
No, not according to John and Paul: a "day tripper" is more like
a part-time hippie, a poseur. Here are some quotes they said
about writing the song (if you do indeed accept the fact that they
wrote the song -- notice the discrepancies in their accounts):
JOHN 1980: "That's mine. Including the guitar lick, the guitar
break, and the whole bit. It's just a rock 'n roll song. Day trippers
are people who go on a day trip, right? Usually on a ferry boat or
something. But it was kind of-- you know, you're just a weekend
hippie. Get it?"
PAUL circa-1994: "Acid was coming on the scene, and we'd
often do these songs about 'the girl who thought she was it.'
Mainly the impetus for that used to come from John-- I think John
met quite a few girls who thought they were it... But this was just
a tongue-in-cheek song about someone who was a day tripper, a
sunday painter, a sunday driver, somebody who was committed only
in part to the idea. Where we saw ourselves as full-time trippers,
fully committed drivers, she was just a day tripper. That was a
co-written effort-- we were both making it all up but I would give
John the main credit."
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:35:28 -0000
From: zombie7123
Subject: Jim Backus On Vacation
I have been searching for quite a long time for a novelty song by
Jim Backus called (I believe) either "On Vacation" "On Vacation
From My Last Vacation", or simply "Vacation." As far as I know,
it's the flip side of one of his most famous singles, "Delicious".
Does anybody have a copy? Post it to musica? I realize that Jim
Backus isn't quite in the Spectropop purview, but perhaps
playing the father of James Dean in "Rebel Without a Cause" will
earn him one free pass to the inner sanctum of rock 'n' roll.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:27:26 -0500
From: Doc
Subject: Marginal girls
Patrick:
> Does anyone have any information on these compilations
> on Marginal? Thanks a bunch!
I have 9 volumes. They are so-so. The early volumes are best.
Doc
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:30:30 -0500
From: Doc
Subject: Doo-Lang
Tony:
> I hope Varese can locate Andrea Carroll. It seem to me
> there was an interview some time ago in Goldmine with her.
> I'd also love to get Doo Lang on CD by her, but that track
> may be too obscure for you.
It is on Marginal 080, Meet the Carroll "Family" Girls CD.
Doc
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:44 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Cupcakes and Toni Jones
A big thank-you to John Clemente, Martin Roberts and Ian
Slater for responding to my enquiry about The Cupcakes and
Toni Jones 45s.
Martin played "Pied Piper" to musica in super quality (how
DO you do that?) and he's promised to play Toni Jones too.
An extra thanks to you, Martin. I like the Betty & Karen
song as well.
But, who is Jack? And how do we hear his record of the week?
Mike Edwards
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:49:37 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Hale & The Hushabyes
Just read John's message on the $25 selling price of Toni
Jones' "Dear" on Smash. Quite dear.
Just noticed that Hale & The Hushabyes' "Yes Sir That's My
Baby" on Apogee has sold on an eBay auction 'buy now' for a
price of $300. Now that's VERY dear!
Do I own a copy? No. I'll have to make do with the later York
release.
Martin
["dear" == UK-speak for "expensive"]
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:26:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: I own a Hale & The Hushabyes
Got that single years ago and only kept it because I
knew the B side is by Sonny Bono (anything that
mentions Quetzal has a Bono connection). Later found
out that Brian Wilson and Blossoms were on it. That
the session where Hal Blaine stopped drumming to get
his camera because the Rolling Stones had walked in
and nobody had seen anybody with hair like that at the
time.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:11:32 -0500
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Jim Backus On Vacation
zombie7123 writes:
> I have been searching for quite a long time for a novelty song by
> Jim Backus called (I believe) either "On Vacation" "On Vacation
> From My Last Vacation", or simply "Vacation." As far as I know,
> it's the flip side of one of his most famous singles, "Delicious".
> Does anybody have a copy? Post it to musica?
"I Need A Vacation" is, indeed, the flip of "Delicious"
(Jubilee 5330). Unfortunately, I'm not set up to play it to musica.
-dave
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:46:45 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Where Have You Been The Last Month?!
Mike Edwards:
> But, who is Jack? And how do we hear his record of the week?
Hi Mike,
'Jack' is the Mr Nitzsche who arranged the Spector-written song
"Dear", which was originally recorded by Bob B Soxx & the Bluejeans
on their "Zip A Dee Doo Dah" LP. This, of course, was produced by
Mr Spector and also arranged by Mr. Nitzsche. Some smug b* has a
London American copy signed by Bobby Sheen & Darlene Love. But he
ain't got Hale And The Hushabyes!
Record Of The Week for Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
is currently Ramona King's "Ballyhoo".
Glad you're enjoying the music,
Martin
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:51:07 -0800 (PST)
From: thomas taber
Subject: Dear dear
We Americans have known what "dear" meant to the
British for nearly 35 years now, ever since we started
wondering if we too would be able to afford, in our
dotage, to "summer" on the Isle of Wight! My dotage
is now less than 12 years away!
re: songs that choke me up - "The Great Mandala" by
P.P. & Mary gets me every time.
Tom Taber
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