________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Jamie LePage (1953-2002) http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Party, Party, PARTY! From: Spectropop 2. Re: Dodie, Mel & Caroline Too From: Martin Roberts 3. Re: Queens From: Phil Milstein 4. Wayne, Wine & Song(s) From: Bob Rashkow 5. Re: Lee Hazlewood on Jamie From: Frank Lipsius 6. Banana Splits and Beagles From: Lounge Laura Taylor 7. VH1 From: Steve Harvey 8. Shirley From: Phil Milstein 9. Re: Craig Douglas From: jennyluvver 10. Shangri-Las CDs From: Doc Rock 11. Re: Les Baxter From: Allen Roberds 12. Re: Jeff Barry, Bobby Russell, Artie Wayne, Toni Wine, etc From: Country Paul 13. Re: Shirley From: Ian Chapman 14. Re: Francoise, Mel & Caroline Too From: David Bell 15. Bobby Russell / Craig Douglas From: Norman 16. 1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero From: Dan Hughes 17. Craig Douglas From: Ian Chapman 18. Re: Banana Splits and Beagles From: Astroboy 19. Re: Les Baxter From: Lounge Laura Taylor 20. Michael Stewart From: Bill George 21. Lisa Hartman/Jeff Barry From: Bill George 22. Re: Craig Douglas From: Phil Chapman 23. Bo Diddley launches new website From: David Blakey 24. Gary Criss on musica From: Mike Edwards 25. RE: Shirley label listing From: Mike Edwards ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:30:56 -0000 From: Spectropop Subject: Party, Party, PARTY! Dear Members, The Spectropop Team had such a good time at the last party that we have decided to dip our hands into our pockets and kick off the New Year in style. Hey, that's just the kind of people we are! The event will take place at the same venue in West London on Saturday January 4th. All members and their partners are invited to attend. Entrance will be free of charge. All you need to do to get your name on the official guest list is reply to party@spectropop.com - So do it now! Further details to follow. Watch this space! Click below to see pictures of the last party: http://www.spectropop.com/party/ See you all there in January hopefully. The Spectropop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:50:38 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: Dodie, Mel & Caroline Too Thanks Mike for playing Dodie Stevens' "I Cried", terrific arrangement, and Mel Carter's "Tar And Cement", very good. Although as far as the 'Battle Of The Bands' goes; close but just not close enough. Caroline Munro gets the gold! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:28:30 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Queens Kingsley Abbott wrote: > temporary home. It is housed in an old staples factory, > and the surrounding area is SO different to Manhattan. Queens, along with Staten Island, are the two NYC boroughs (of five in all) that are more suburban than urban. Most Americans' knowledge of it comes from All In The Family, the '70s sitcom that remains one of the most famous and successful TV shows in U.S. history. The show's setting there was largely incidental to its content, but the intro shot included an aerial sweep over the neighborhood, which gave a pretty good sense of its style of housing stock (although entirely overlooking its stock of sub-&-pizza joints). The show, by the way, was based on the British show Til Death Do Us Part. > corner. It was easy to close your eyes in both locations > and imagine The Shangs or Dion hanging out. You'd have to do much more imagining to conjure up Dion, as he came from the Bronx -- near Belmont Ave. hence the group name. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:18:11 -0500 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Wayne, Wine & Song(s) Nice Rockin' Robin update by our wonderful Artie Wayne! Did Roger Miller really record Bobby Russell's "Little Green Apples" (much less successfully) in 1966, 02 years before O.C. Smith's hit? Spotted it Bubblin' under the Hot 100. Simon: >...later done by Jay & The Techniques as "Number Onederful"... Am I missing something here--didn't Jay Proctor and his group break up in late '69 or early '70? Were they possibly still recording in 1972 when the Rock Flowers charted--unless they followed "Silver Lining"'s version? Allan Rinde, welcome. Columbia had Ronnie Dyson when you were there (I think!) and what a great talent you had with him as well as the then relatively unknown Billy Joel. Toni Wine's work, particularly with Carole Bayer and Neil Sedaka, is just fantastic, all through the 6Ts. Standing in the Shadows of Motown is a great documentary with great footage and interviews. If there are still Spectropoppers who haven't seen it, let me add my high recommendation. Especially a treat...Bootsy Collins, Chaka Khan, Gerald Levert et al doing their utmost best to recreate a few of the original songs with those Funk Brothers still living. The legend lives on at 2648 Grand Boulevard! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:22:07 -0500 From: Frank Lipsius Subject: Re: Lee Hazlewood on Jamie Country Paul: > The Lee Hazlewood Ace Records promotional article was also > a treat. The book-length version must be a true treasure... > Are there any CD collections of Hazlewood's production work > at Jamie and elsewhere aside from Duane Eddy - like Sanford > Clark (particular the Jamie tracks), Connie Conway, etc.? Yes there is. The CD, The Twang Gang, Jamie 4017, was conceived as a tribute to Duane Eddy and Lee Hazlewood's collaborators and fellow musicians in Phoenix. John Dixon's excellent liner notes recreate the time when Phoenix, ever so briefly, seemed to catch the fair wind of rock 'n roll inspiration and ride it to prolific output and a fair amount of success. Besides Lee Hazlewood's two Jamie sides, "Girl on Death Row" and "Words Mean Nothing," the CD includes Hazlewood's first single, using the pseudonym Mark Robinson, which was a Cash Box pick at the time. BTW, the cover photo on the CD of Duane Eddy was meant to be on the sleeve of the single "Girl on Death Row" but was never used and the black-and-white side of the tray card notes which tracks Duane Eddy plays on. Remixed in stereo by Tom Moulton, the CD's available in record stores and from Jamie/Guyden's website: http://www.jamguy.com Thanks for asking, Paul. Frank Lipsius -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lounge Laura Taylor Subject: Banana Splits and Beagles Stuffed Animal wrote: > Thank you so much. Toni Wine has settled once and for all the > question of whether she and Ellie Greenwich sang together on > Archies records. Speaking of the Archies, does anybody know the personnel of either the Banana Splits or The Beagles, the latter of which had some exceptionally good pop songs! LLT -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: VH1 You can go to the VH1 website and find out there when shows are repeated. All sorts of schedules and search devices to find out when shows are rebroadcast. http://www.vh1.com/shows/schedule/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:32:35 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Shirley A friend just sent me a dub of a brilliant record, a hardcore scuzzbucket urban blues titled "Tin Pan Alley" by Ray Agee. He listed it as being from 1962, on Shirley 111. My questions are: * Is this Spector's Shirley label? (The date and catalogue number lead me to presume it is.) * If so, was Spector's role beyond that of merely releasing it on his label? * Is there a Shirley discography online somewhere? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:28:53 -0000 From: jennyluvver Subject: Re: Craig Douglas Craig Douglas had quite a few hits on the UK charts in the early '60s, most of them cover versions of American hits such as "Pretty Blue Eyes", "Only Sixteen", "When My Little Girl is Smiling", "a Teenager in Love" and "A Hundred Pounds of Clay". He had a few originals like "The Heart of a Teenage Girl" as well. I've never heard of "Love Her While She's Young", though. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:50:38 -0500 From: Doc Rock Subject: Shangri-Las CDs Here is a 1996 review of mine from Discoveries magazine. I thought about revising it with the new information, but decided to leave it alone. THE SHANGRI-LAS The Best of the Shangri-Las Mercury 314 512 371-2 July 28, 1996, Marge Ganser died of breast cancer at age 48. Full name Marguerite Ganser Dorste, Marge was one of the dark-haired backup singers in the Shangri-Las. Her twin sister, Maryann, died of an illness in 1971. Although Marge was a backup singer, in concert the girls would trade off leads for variety. The day I got word of Marge's passing, I received this CD in the mail. That afternoon, I listened to the Shangs music with a perspective I'd never had before. With sisters Mary and Liz Weiss, the Shangri-Las formed at Andrew Jackson High School in Queens, and their career started with a few forgotten singles on the Smash and Spokane labels. But when George "Shadow" Morton hired them as demo singers for his new/first composition, "Remember (Walkin' In the Sand)," their lives changed forever. Five minutes were cut from that demo for the single release on the Red Bird record label. The demo must be either lost or terrible, as it has never surfaced. But on this CD, 25 cuts, practically everything they recorded for Red Bird (I counted four missing songs), are presented in crystal-clear sound. "Leader of the Pack" is cut two, and Mercury wisely chose to use the mono 45 mix. The stereo mix invariably skips the first line of the second verse, "One day my Dad said find someone new." I've always wondered if someone back in the '60s censored that line to make the Shangs less controversial, or if there was just a glitch in the stereo tape that had to be edited out. Seems unlikely that they were censored. With "Remember" portraying a near-suicidal anguish; "Past, Present and Future" being about rape; and death featured as the topic of "Leader," "Give Us Your Blessings,"and "Dressed In Black," censorship of such a tame line begs credulity. Too bad the one line hasn't been restored from the mono tape. Or maybe they tried it, and it was too jarring? Besides Shadow, arranger Artie Butler and writers Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry are the ones to be held accountable for most of the Shangri-Las two-minute-tragedies. Liz was the original lead of the foursome, but the gang at Red Bird immediately replaced her with sister Mary, whose voice was not as "good," but it was perfect for rock and roll. After that, Liz appeared with the group sometimes, and other times they appeared as a trio. Don Charles wrote the insightful and informative liner notes for this album, and his first paragraph sums up the Shangri-Las situation in a nutshell. After several sentences of black humor describing their musical vignettes, including death, dismemberment, and finally elopement he ends with, "That is, if you live long enough to repeat your marriage vows." If these songs had been released a few years earlier, instead of in 1964, they would all have been banned! Truth be told, it was never the doom and gloom lyrics that were the attraction for me, but the sound of the Shangri-Las music that was the attraction. They instrumental arrangements were superb, and they had some of the best girl groups harmonies ever waxed. I for never discriminated between the tragedy tunes and the lighter songs, like "Sophisticated Boom Boom," "What Is Love," "Long Live Our Love," "Maybe," and the fun "Give Him A Great Big Kiss," with the thrown kiss a la Dinah Shore. It was the sound that I tuned in for. This is what CDs were made for. Like "Leader," "Give Him A Great Big Kiss" is featured here in mono. The rare stereo version has a drum introduction instead of the "When I say I'm in love, you best believe I'm in love, L-U-V!" intro. In another difference, the stereo version ends with "The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker" instead of "How does he dance? Close, very very close." The stereo version would have made a nice bonus track on this CD. When Red Bird shut down in 1966, The Shangri-Las moved to Mercury records. But their time had passed, and although their Mercury recordings showed promise, the times they were a-changin' and the new material didn't catch on. The CD ends with four of the fine Mercury recordings. A few years ago, a set of bogus touring Shangri-Las were caught in the act, then were given legal permission to appear as the Shangs. One thing for sure -- if you want to hear the originals, from July 28th on, it'll have to be on recordings like this one. Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: Allen Roberds Subject: Re: Les Baxter Lounge Laura Taylor wrote: > Hello, just wanted to say hi! DJ Jimmy Bee drafted me, and I bet I > know some other folks, too. Looking forward to learning a lot! I remember Les Baxter. Murray McLeod and I wrote a song for him for a group he was producing back in the 60s. Smokey Roberds -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:18:24 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Jeff Barry, Bobby Russell, Artie Wayne, Toni Wine, etc Stuffed Animal: > Amassing a comprehensive collection of Jeff Barry productions isn't > hard to do if you go the route of vinyl LPs.... How can you leave out The Raindrops "What A Guy" and the still-astounding "The Kind of Boy You Can't Forget" and Berry's Marvin Gaye-styled turn on Red Bird, "I'll Still Love You"? To my ears, no Jeff Barry collection would be complete without those. My question to the experts - are there any more sides like the Red Bird track out there somewhere? And a big "amen" on Bobby Bloom, especially the underappreciated gems "Montego Bay" and "We're All Going Home." I also cast a couple of votes for the even-more-underappreciated Hank Shifter's Steed 45's, "Saturday Noontime" and to a lesser degree "Mary on the Beach." Artie Wayne, I've only heard Joey Powers' "Midnight Mary" single, but would love to hear the album. Also, I had asked Al Gorgoni about a group on Jubilee called The Front Porch, which he worked with but didn't remember any details. Were you involved in anyway? I'm particularly interested in their first 45 (all 3 I know of on Jubilee), "Song for St. Agnes"/"Shake Rattle & Roll." Also, was there an album that included these? (I'm very glad you've joined the group - it's great to have another first-person source, and I hope you don't mind being bombarded with questions!) And to Allan Rinde for Toni Wine: I have Toni's "Sisters of Sorrow" on Colpix. Am I really hearing it right as a song about bigamy?!? Great refrain on this record! Eddy Smit: > Does anybody have any information on Bobby Russell, mainly known as > composer of the Bobby Goldsboro hit "Honey"?... I can't top Jeff Lemlich's Bobby Russell info (how'd you know all that stuff?!?), but to add some mainstream info from an article by Sandra Brennan is from the All Music Guide: "Although Bobby Russell had a successful recording career, he is best remembered as the songwriter who penned the 1960s hits "Honey" and "Little Green Apples." Born and raised in Nashville, Russell first attracted notice with "The Joker Went Wild," which provided Brian Hyland with a Top 20 pop hit. Two years later, he penned "Little Green Apples" for Roger Miller, which became a Top Ten country hit and crossed over to the pop Top 40. Later in 1968, Bobby Goldsboro earned a number one hit and a gold record for his rendition of "Honey"; O.C. Smith also recorded "Little Green Apples," and had a number three hit....He died of coronary disease in 1992, and two years later was posthumously inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame." "Little Green Apples" was a nominee for the Country Music Association's 1968 song of the year; it won that title in the Grammies. "Honey" won it in the CMA. "1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero," on Elf Records, was a sorta wimpy ode to the suburban dad who's a hero to his kids. There was some phenomenal Nashville pop - just not this song to my ears! Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:42:32 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: Shirley Phil Milstein wrote: > A friend just sent me a dub of a brilliant record, a > hardcore scuzzbucket urban blues titled "Tin Pan Alley" by > Ray Agee. He listed it as being from 1962, on Shirley 111. > Is this Spector's Shirley label? (The date and catalogue > number lead me to presume it is.) We're talking two different Shirley labels here, Phil. The Spector label (Shirley 500) was strictly a one-off, with the Treasures' "Hold Me Tight" appearing in '64. The excellent Fitzpatrick/Fogerty book "Collecting Phil Spector" says it was only issued in demo form. The Shirley label with the Ray Agee release ran from 1960 to 1963 with a total of 12 releases, the first being a duet by Doc Bagby and Doris Payne (who we all know and love as Doris Troy). Mostly R&B, other artists on the label included Jesse James, Allen Baldwin & the Uniques, and Earl "Good Rockin'" Brown Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:28:53 EST From: David Bell Subject: Re: Francoise, Mel & Caroline Too Martin wrote: > ...Mel Carter's "Tar And Cement", very good. Although as > far as the 'Battle Of The Bands' goes; close but just not > close enough. Caroline Munro gets the gold! I agree with that. Caroline gets my vote too in the Battle of the Bands. However, neither version is a patch on the Francoise Hardy version "La Maison Ou J'Ai Grandi". Wonderful, wonderful recording. David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:15:02 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Bobby Russell / Craig Douglas Following up on Bobby Russell's "Honey": Wasn't his first wife called Honey? Craig Douglas: Interesting to note that Craig Douglas went to #9 on the Adelaide (South Australia) charts with "Time" in November 1961. But that was it, no more was heard from him. I prefer Jimmy Justice's version of "When My Little Girl Is Smiling" to Craig Douglas'. But then again being a Drifters fan I prefer their version overall. I wonder how Tony Orlando would have sounded doing that song? Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:28:23 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: 1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero Country Paul sez: > "1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero," on Elf Records, was a > sorta wimpy ode to the suburban dad who's a hero to his kids. > There was some phenomenal Nashville pop - just not this song > to my ears! You call it wimpy--I call it warm. I like to think of myself as that guy. ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:09:53 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Craig Douglas "Our Favourite Melodies" has always been my er, favourite Craig Douglas record - a #9 UK for him in '62. Apart from being a good early Brill-type song (think Steve Lawrence's "Footsteps") it also mentions other hits of the day in the lyrics: "..they're playing 'Hit The Road Jack' …..they're playing 'Run To Him', my baby…...." I love this kind of stuff. However, I believe the U.S. original was done by Gary Criss on Diamond. I've always wanted to find/hear this. I wonder if any kind Spectropop soul out there who has it could maybe play to musica? Let me also mention that in '65 Craig did a nice version of the Gene Pitney song "Across The Street" – some of you may know it by Ray Peterson, Eddie Hodges or (in the U.K.) the She Trinity. Craig's version is played to musica for anyone interested. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:21:19 -0500 From: Astroboy Subject: Re: Banana Splits and Beagles From: Lounge Laura Taylor > Speaking of the Archies, does anybody know the personnel of > either the Banana Splits or The Beagles, the latter of which > had some exceptionally good pop songs! Didn't Barry White pen at least one of the Banana Splits tunes? The Beagles: apparently the original masters for this program are lost, which is why the show has been mia since their network airings in the 60s (I know I've never seen copies in circulation). The negatives were in the possession of an editor who died before returning them to the production studio, TTV Prods, and his widow unknowingly threw them out. Here's a website which gives the details, plus it has a rare clip from a b&w kinescope of an original telecast. http://www.toontracker.com/beagles/beagles.htm Astroboy (who's new to spectropop list) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: Lounge Laura Taylor Subject: Re: Les Baxter Allen Roberds wrote: > I remember Les Baxter. Murray McLeod and I wrote a song > for him for a group he was producing back in the 60s. Hmmmmm-----do tell!?! LLT -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:17:27 EST From: Bill George Subject: Michael Stewart Michael Stewart also produced Jackie DeShannon's 1975 LP "New Arrangement" which is arguably her strongest work. That album included her original version of "Bette Davis Eyes." She now complains about the production on that project, but in interviews given at the time of its release she was very enthusiastic about it. -Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:17:00 EST From: Bill George Subject: Lisa Hartman/Jeff Barry The TV Land cable channel is currently re-running the 70's series "Tabitha" starring a very young Lisa Hartman. I noticed that she sings the theme song at the beginning, which was written by Jeff Barry. The end reprise of the theme also features a male voice singing with her. Could this be Jeff Barry? I've never heard his singing. That also reminded me of the recent thread about their work together. I've finally been successful in playing to musica, so now you can hear a song from her first album, produced by Jeff Barry. It was released in 1976. The track was co-written by Jeff Barry, Lisa Hartman, Dene Hofheinz and (?). Enjoy! Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:07:04 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Craig Douglas Ian Chapman wrote: > "Our Favourite Melodies" has always been my er, favourite > Craig Douglas record - a #9 UK for him in '62.... However, > I believe the U.S. original was done by Gary Criss on Diamond. > I've always wanted to find/hear this. I wonder if any kind > Spectropop soul out there who has it could maybe play to musica? Sure, it also had a UK release in 1962 on Stateside. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:26:30 -0000 From: David Blakey Subject: Bo Diddley launches new website Bo Diddley, one of the founding fathers of rock & roll and the popularizer of the world-famous "Bo Diddley beat", has announced that he will be launching his new website this coming Thanksgiving. (He made his first ever TV appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show at Thanksgiving, 1955). The website, named with typical idiosyncracy, "Bo Bo Diddley's Turnup Root", is at http://www.turnup-root.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:16:37 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Gary Criss on musica Ian Chapman writes re: "Our Favorite Melodies": > I believe the U.S. original was done by Gary Criss on Diamond. > I've always wanted to find/hear this. I wonder if any kind > Spectropop soul out there who has it could maybe play to musica? It's up there now, Ian and it is a tough 45 to find. I eventually purchased a copy from someone in Keswick, UK. It is an absolute gem – such a perfectly constructed pop record. Gary's b-side, "Welcome Home To My Heart" is a little more bluesier but also a very fine pop song and I know of one cover by Sacha Distel in French. This is also a very strong record on the Belgian popcorn scene. I have been meaning to mention Gary Criss for some time. I believe he was the guy who showed up on Salsoul Records in the late 70s with "Rio De Janeiro". If he was, that's quite a stretch. I would welcome any info on Gary from Spectropop members. In the meantime, Ian, how about sending Ginny Arnell's "Tell Me What He Said" to musica. That's a song I would like to hear. Thanks. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:41:14 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: RE: Shirley label listing Phil Milstein asks: "Is there a Shirley discography online somewhere?" There sure is, Phil. Go to International Discographies http://www.recordmaster.com under the Concise Reference Guide tab in Spectropop. My search for "Shirley" under labels and 7" format brought up 20 titles including "Tin Pan Alley" and the Treaures' "Hold Me Tight". Spectropop really is a full service website! Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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