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Spectropop - Digest Number 723
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
From: Martin Roberts
2. Re: Toni Wine, Leslie Miller and Ellie Greenwich
From: Stuffed Animal
3. Walking In A Winter Wonderland
From: Martin Roberts
4. Re: Satisfaction etc
From: James Botticelli
5. Re: Carrie Nations
From: Paul Richards
6. Re: Everlys' two-fers
From: Andrew Sandoval
7. Estelle and Nedra of the Ronettes
From: Sean
8. At The Movies With Jack Nitzsche
From: Martin Roberts
9. Oldies CDs
From: Mike Edwards
10. Re: Satisfaction etc
From: Alec Harvey
11. Re: Elvis covers - Burnin' Love
From: Roger
12. Ronettes on tour with the Beatles
From: Energy B
13. Re: The harmonica and the Beatles
From: Richard Williams
14. Plagiarize it again Sam!
From: Phil Chapman
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:38:32 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
Jack Nitzsche's "Rumble" is the first winner of The Battle Of The
Nitzsches and is the current Record of the Week now playing at:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.php3 For those who don't
know the track, it's a great gift for Christmas. Continuing the heads
you win, tails you win theme, next week's choice is between Guy
Mitchell and Jamie Horton. Phil C, has worked his Christmas magic on
the latest Jingle, No.8 (Adventure), which is now available to hear
on the Radio page.
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:42:08 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Re: Toni Wine, Leslie Miller and Ellie Greenwich
Mick Patrick:
> In the very early 1970s, Toni Wine and Ellie Greenwich co-> wrote
> two excellent songs for the Rock Flowers; "Gettin' Together" and
> "If You Loved Me Once". Ellie subsequently recorded her own
> versions of both on her "Let It Be Written, Let It Be Sung" LP on
> Verve. But who sang the original demo versions, Toni or Ellie? Did
> the two ladies collaborate on any other songs? And is it true that
> they sang backups together on "Candida" and "Knock Three Times" by
> Dawn? Oh, to have been there!
Allan Rinde:
> As Toni remembers it, neither of these two songs were written with
> the Rock Flowers in mind. "Gettin' Together," in fact, was written
> for a potential TV show of the same name. They also wrote one other
> tune, "The Palmist," which Toni thinks Ellie recorded, although it's
> not on either her Verve album or her UA album. Both of these LPs,
> along with three bonus tracks, were reissued on one CD by Raven
> Records of Australia in 1999 [ http://www.ravenrecords.com.au/ ]
> which is still in print. If the exchange rate still holds, you can
> probably order it cheaper (including shipping) direct from Raven.
> Toni sang the demos for these songs. As for Dawn, the backgrounds for
> Candida and the entire first album were done by Toni, Jay Seigel of
> the Tokens, and Robin Greon.
Tony Orlando has gone on record as saying Ellie Greenwich sang backups
on "Candida" and "Knock Three Times" with Toni Wine (this was before
Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent were hired as his onstage partners).
However, Ellie has said she doesn't remember doing this session. Rumor
has it that Toni is actually singing the backgrounds with Leslie Miller.
I wonder if people have been confusing Leslie with Ellie in some cases?
Leslie also sang background on some Archies recording dates, something
Miss Ellie has also (erroneously) been credited with.
Stuff
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:39:22 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Walking In A Winter Wonderland
Guess this deserves a mention; one of the 'funny' papers, The Sunday
Express gave over the cover of it's S:2 magazine to Phil Spector, The
ic is Phil in his Santa suit, same shoot, different pic, to the one
on the S'pop members page. The caption reads 'Exclusive interview',
"Walking In A Winter Wonderland; PHIL SPECTOR; The Recluse Who Made
Christmas Rock". Inside a two page spread, the usual pics, Ronettes,
Crystals, Phil behind the Gold Star mixing desk, etc. The interview by
Chris Goodman is fairly pointless, Phil coming over as pretentious and
arrogant with Chris displaying mock outrage at Phil's behavior. Good
to have Phil Spector getting this attention though. How is the
Christmas LP doing sales wise? Anyone keep up with the pop charts?
Martin
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:28:44 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Satisfaction etc
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> An argument can also be made about the influence of "It's The Same
> Old Song" on the Stones' "Under My Thumb"...
Add "Black Is Black"...that particular combination of notes is the
essence of garage rock IMHO
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:03:41 EST
From: Paul Richards
Subject: Re: Carrie Nations
Stu Phillips' autobiography 'Stu Who?' is a great read, with
fascinating chapters on the Carrie Nations, Colpix, The Marcels,
Battlestar Galactica etc.
http://www.stuwho.com/images/stusoon.jpg
http://www.stuwho.com
Paul
(Admin Note: Stu Phillips has a Spectropop page devoted to him:
http://www.spectropop.com/StuPhillips.htm - The spectropop Team)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:56:01 EST
From: Andrew Sandoval
Subject: Re: Everlys' two-fers
The next Everlys sets are mastered but the artwork is not done
and there are no dates scheduled. The Kentucky shop will take
your money and hold it, but what's the point? They won't get
the product to you any sooner than any other shop.
andrew sandoval
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:08:33 -0000
From: Sean
Subject: Estelle and Nedra of the Ronettes
Does anyone know the complete list of songs that Estelle and Nedra
sang on out of the Ronettes and Crystals songs? So far the only ones
I know are...
(with Ronettes)
1. Be My Baby
2. Why Don't they let us fall in love
3. I Wonder
4. Do I Love You
5. You Baby
6. How Does It Feel
7. You're My Everything
(with Crystals)
1. Mashed Potato Time (Estelle)
2. Parade of the Wooden Soldiers (Nedra)
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:59:51 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: At The Movies With Jack Nitzsche
One of the biggest lines of questions I get sent about Jack Nitzsche
is his film music. I'm far removed from being a film buff and wonder
if other 'poppers might be able to help with the latest couple of
questions I've received:
1. 9½ Weeks - Has any of Jack's music from this been released and
what is the name of the piece that repeats throughout the movie?
2. Streets Of Gold - Main theme title? [I'd guess Streets Of Gold!]
There are some great music scores on some of Jack's films and I've
plans for a 'movie' "Battle of the Nitzsches' coming soon. Watch this
space!
Martin
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:28:37 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Oldies CDs
Has anybody noticed the slowdown in the release rate of oldies' CDs
by the big companies, particularly in the US? In the early 90s the
big companies set up labels for oldies, such as:
EMI – Legendary Masters' Series
Polygram/Mercury – Chronicles
Sony – Legacy
Warner-Reprise – Achive.
We had some great releases (and probably none finer than the
Mercury double CD girl-group compilation) but they seem to have
dried up. This seems strange given that companies can easily find
their niche markets cheaply by means of the Internet. It appears
as if label bosses prefer to lease their product to specialist
oldies' labels such as Rhino and Collectables. How successful has
this been? I haven't purchased a Rhino CD in years and don't tend
to regard them as an oldies' label any more. Collectables seem to
have a basic disregard for their audience – their releases are
threadbare in terms of track selection and packaging. They also
seem to limit themselves to doo-wop. Other labels such as Sundazed,
Taragon and Varese Saraband do a better job but even they do not
put out compilation CDs and their release schedules are pretty thin.
The UK has come to our aid with Ace/Kent releasing some excellent
recent compilation CDs (Golden Age Of American Rock N Roll, Where
The Girls Are etc). See For Miles, Sequel, Westside and RPM are
others that have pitched in but they tend to concentrate on one
artist or the independent US labels such as Roulette.
My point is that big labels such as Capitol, Reprise, Liberty, UA,
Columbia and Mercury have back 45 catalogs brimming with surf, girl-
group and garage rock items and I see no attempt to put these out on
CD. As the years go by and the baby boomers join that big 45 maker
in the sky you wonder if these 45s will ever see the light of day.
Well, a New Year brings new releases, so we can hope!
Mike Edwards
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:53:36 -0000
From: Alec Harvey
Subject: Re: Satisfaction etc
And isn't the Stones' "Under Assistant West Coast Promo Man" really
Buster Brown's "Fanny Mae" with different words? The only reason I
can think of that the composers of "Fanny Mae" wouldn't get a
songwriting credit would be if "Fanny Mae" is a version of some
in-the-public-domain blues song - who knows? The Stones apparently
performed "Fanny Mae" too.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:12:36 -0000
From: Roger
Subject: Re: Elvis covers - Burnin' Love
Phil Milstein wrote:
> ..."Burning Love"...Arthur Alexander's version...Is this
> musica-able?
Phil,
Arthur Alexander's version is on the "Rainbow Road - The Complete
Warner Brother Recordings" CD that came out in the mid '90s. Not
sure if its still in print, but fairly easy to find. I can try to
play the original version by Dennis Linde, the guy who wrote it,
to musica if you're interested?
Roger
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:29:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Energy B
Subject: Ronettes on tour with the Beatles
According to Ronnie's biography, her cousin Elaine
filled on for her during the Ronettes 1966 Tour with
the Beatles. Are there any live or promotional shots
from that time in existence showing Elaine as part of
the group?
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:40:53 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Re: The harmonica and the Beatles
Re the original post: I believe that would be Max Geldray, not
Geldred, who played on The Goon Show.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:24:22 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Plagiarize it again Sam!
[from my two penn'orth]
> > ....it was ALO who played The Supremes' "My World Is Empty
> > Without You" to Mick & Keith in order to 'influence' the
> > writing of their next hit "Paint It Black".............
Seems it's still an 'influence' on some:
Currently being played on the radio here in the UK is a track
called "Dreaming Of You" by The Coral. Every time I hear it, I
just can't help singing along with "My World Is Empty Without
You", it fits so well.
It can't be played to musica, but is available as a mobile phone
ringtone at http://www.mrtones.com/codice.mt?m=1&s=5128
I read somewhere that MWIEWY was Motown's first foray into two-bar
rhythm patterns, and that Phil (or Jack) had this in mind when
working on the arrangement of "River Deep...". The early session
takes appear to bear that out.
JB:
> Add "Black Is Black"...that particular combination of notes is
> the essence of garage rock IMHO
I've always paired those: "Under My Thumb" reflects "It's The
Same Old Song", "Black Is Black" refers to "I Can't Help Myself".
As they say, it's made round to go round.
Phil
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