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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Happy New Year
From: Ken Levine
2. Re: TAMI Show
From: Steve Harvey
3. Re: Thane Russal / Doug Gibbons (with an "s"!)
From: Lindsay Martin
4. Re: Johnny Young
From: Lindsay Martin
5. Re: MORE STRANGELOVES
From: John Rausch
6. The Parade Interview
From: Allen Roberds
7. Re: Lucy In London
From: Charles Ellis
8. Re: Museum of Radio and Television NY
From: Javed Jafri
9. Re: The Ronettes' Cousin Elaine
From: Tony
10. Re: Denis Gagnon Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
From: Norman
11. Lucy In London
From: John Rausch
12. Re: Museum of Radio and Television NY
From: Tony
13. I Love Lucid
From: Steve Harvey
14. Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
From: Teri Landi
15. Re: Lucy In London
From: Mikey
16. Re: Peter James Proby?
From: Peter Lerner
17. Re: Lucy In London/Lesley Gore
From: Teri Landi
18. Lucy in London
From: David A Young
19. Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
From: Richard Havers
20. Brian Wilson, Oldies reissues
From: Guy Lawrence
21. Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
From: Eddy Smit
22. Jive Fiveing with FGG
From: Martin Roberts
23. Re: The Big Hurt
From: Mike Rashkow
24. The Ronettes and M the K
From: Bill Craig
25. Three questions
From: Andrew Jones
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:14:59 -0800
From: Ken Levine
Subject: Happy New Year
I want to wish you a happy New Years. May 2003 be for you what 2002 was for
the Angels and BEAUTIFUL MIND and the Lakers and Lance Armstrong and FRIENDS
and Norah Jones and Kelly Clarkson and the New England Patriots and SIX FEET
UNDER and Adam Sandler and Barry Bonds and Spiderman and Edie Falco and Dr.
Phil and Halle Barre and Denzel Washington and Sponge Bob and Jimmy Carter and
Harry Potter and Starbucks coffee and the U. of Miami football team and CSI and
Tiger Woods and George Lucas and Reese Witherspoon and Brian from Survivor and
me for knowing all of you.
Ken Levine
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:56:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: TAMI Show
I thought it was the Beach Boys that were cut from the
TAMI show. I recall seeing the Stones bit in the film,
but had to see the Beach Boys portion through another
Beach Boy fan who had it on a compilation.
Wasn't the Lucy In London special the one with the
DC5? Why would the Ronettes have something to do with a
special set in England?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:15:25 +1000
From: Lindsay Martin
Subject: Re: Thane Russal / Doug Gibbons (with an "s"!)
Peter wrote:
> Doug Gibbon? The same Doug Gibbons who recorded Jackie DeShannon / Jimmy
> Page's "I got my tears to remind me"...
Sorry, I rechecked my source (Glenn A. Baker's liner notes for "Hard To Get
Hits" Vol 1) and Thane Russal was indeed Doug GIBBONS, not Gibbon as I
mistyped it. I think this must be the same guy. Internet search reveals a
varied career.
Happy '03,
Lindsay
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:33:14 +1000
From: Lindsay Martin
Subject: Re: Johnny Young
Jeff wrote:
> ..."Craise Finton Kirk" & "Every Christian Lion-Hearted"?...
> I know of at least two other early Gibb Brothers songs recorded by
> Young: "After Dark" and "I Am The World". He also did a good
> version of the Easybeats' "Good Evening Girl".
Johnny Young also wrote, among others, Russell Morris's magnum opus "The Real
Thing" (not a bad little item to have on your CV!), and "The Star", covered by
Herman's Hermits. In the 60s he compered a national pop TV show, The Go Show,
and has been a disc jockey at various times, in recent years at Melbourne
station Magic FM. But he's probably best known to the average Australian for
fronting and masterminding a cheesy long-running kids' music show called "Young
Talent Time" (Tina Arena, for example, got her start there).
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:38:07 -0500
From: John Rausch
Subject: Re: MORE STRANGELOVES
Pretty cool to see so much talk re: The Strangeloves. A long time favorite of
mine. What a great sound on those Bang 45s. I have the Legacy cd mentioned and
great to hear in stereo and yes, as described, the stereo tracks still pack a
mean wallop. Interesting to learn there was a recording by Giles Strange on the
Boom label. I have and only knew of the 2 45s by The Sheep.Hide & Seek/Twelve
Months Later and I Feel Good/Dynamite. Also recorded by Strangeloves along with
the Swan label is one from 68 on Sire called I Wanna Do It/Honeydo. Also
interesting is learning Strangeloves records were coverd by other artists in
other countries.
John Rausch
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:16:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Allen Roberds
Subject: The Parade Interview
Hello everyone and Season's Greetings,
Thank you to Mike for posting the Parade interview on
http://www.60sgaragebands.com
Smokey Roberds
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 04:27:22 -0000
From: Charles Ellis
Subject: Re: Lucy In London
Keith Beach:
> I went to the Museum Of Television And Radio, NY some 10 years back. My
> first priority was to look for the Lucille Ball TV special from the 60s
> 'Lucy in London'. They didn't have it then, but they might now. Just in case
> it needs explanation...it's important because we believe the Ronettes did a
> song over the opening credits. I don't know anyone who has this in any form.
> Maybe the next Spectropop member there could check it out for us.
Good news, Keith- the "Lucy In London" special IS there- watched it a
few months ago. For those who don't know, Phil Spector performs the
theme song for the program, which was directed by Steve Binder, two
years before doing Elvis' 1968 NBC special. To my shock, the same
vocalist on the "Lucy In London" theme song is the same lead vocalist
of the Modern Folk Quartet's "This Could Be The Night", the TAMI Show
theme! Does this mean that it's Phil himself singing, or a member of
the Folk Quartet? Please solve this mystery. BTW, the copy of the
TAMI show at the Museum doesn't have the Beach Boys in it, though-
when will a COMPLETE version of this legendary filmed concert make it
to DVD?
Charles Ellis
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:11:59 -0500
From: Javed Jafri
Subject: Re: Museum of Radio and Television NY
From: "Vlaovic B"
> Or maybe the number was cut for legal purposes
> (like the Rolling Stones in TAMI show).
Wasn't it the Beach Boys who were cut from the original TV
version of the TAMI Show ?
Javed
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 05:26:13 -0000
From: Tony
Subject: Re: The Ronettes' Cousin Elaine
John Rausch wrote:
> ....Also of interest, in the pics with text, notice how Estelle
> seems to be the "spokesperson" ... No Ronnie. Also, I seem to
> remember reading (?) somewhere that Elaine was told to keep her
> head down so no one might realize she was an "imposter" and not
> Ronnie. In the pic of the girls walking across the playing field
> it's clearly not Ronnie with her head down....
John and group: The most interesting thing about the Ronettes photos
performing live with Elaine was that NEDRA was the lead
singer!!!!!!!!! I once read that, but the photos prove it!!!!!
Tony Leong
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:09:29 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: Re: Denis Gagnon Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
C5 Records released an album in 1988 by Andrew Oldham under
the title "The Andrew Oldham Orchestra & Chorus" under the
title "Rarities" (with friends The Rolling Stones, Ian Stewart,
John Paul Jones, Kim Fowley, Mike Leander, Harry Robinson,
David Whittaker and Charles Blackwell).
Track 1 Side 1 is DA DOO RON RON 1964 Originally released on
Decca LP "16 Hip Hits" . I suppose if the Stones were used on
the original sessions Andrew Oldham was bound to use Mick Jagger's
vocals somewhere.
Now I will nick off and give the track a listen.
Norman
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:38:24 -0500
From: John Rausch
Subject: Lucy In London
Keith Beach:
> ...Lucille Ball TV special from the 60's 'Lucy in London'...
Keith,
The opening credit has Phil Spector sing Lucy In London.
A catchy tune by the way.
John Rausch
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 05:18:40 -0000
From: Tony
Subject: Re: Museum of Radio and Television NY
Vlaovic B wrote:
> Curiously though one episode [of Hullabaloo] introduces the
> Ronettes as a featured act on the show but they never perform
> ..at the end of the programme when it comes to the Hullaballoo
> A Go Go segment they're seen dancing among the 'kids'....
Hi, the Ronettes performed "You Baby" on the 12/6/65 Hullabaloo
appearance in question. A friend of mine has the entire episode on
tape. That appearance was never released on commercial video due to
legalities. Personally, I love the song, but thought it was a strange
cut to do on that show. I guess it was about to be lifted as a
single even though it was already over a year old as an LP cut???
Tony
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 09:32:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: I Love Lucid
Jerry Yester of the MFQ, later the Spoonful, sang
"This Could Be the Night" that starts the TNT flick.
Never released officially until the 70s when it came
out on a compilation of unreleased Phil Spector stuff.
So if the guy singing on the Lucy special is the same
one that sang on the TNT it has to be Jerry. Brian
Wilson's favorite Spector tune, by the way.
I have that Chuck Berry hosted video compilation of
TAMI and TNT shows that came out in the 80s. It has
the Stones, but not the Beach Boys portion.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 12:45:18 -0500
From: Teri Landi
Subject: Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
Denis,
You're right, it is Mick Jagger. What you have is a recording
by the Andrew Oldham Orchestra and it was released in 1964 on
an LP called 16 Hip Hits. Andrew made several recordings (mostly
instrumental) with the "Orchestra" which basically consisted of
the top session players in England at the time but also included
the Stones themselves on some cuts. Recorded were songs originally
done by the Beach Boys, Four Seasons and Spector's Philles roster
as well as miscellaneous hits of the day. Much remains unissued.
He also made an album called The Rolling Stones Songbook for Decca
which of course consisted of instrumental versions of Stones' songs.
It's great stuff - well worth checking out if you can find the originals.
For those Stones fans out there check out the Rolling Stones Database.
It's an exhaustive year by year overview of sessions, release dates,
concert dates, TV & radio appearances - you name it, it's here:
http://www.nzentgraf.de/books/zent.htm
Teri Landi
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:32:18 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Lucy In London
Charles Ellis:
> Good news, Keith- the "Lucy In London" special IS there-
> watched it a few months ago.
Charles......I know Lucy does a scene with the Dave Clark Five
in Top Hats, but do The Dave Clak Five play any tunes in the
special?
thanks,
Mikey
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:48:15 -0000
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Peter James Proby?
A little while ago Scott Swanson declared:
> "You Won't Forget Me" definitely sounds like P.J. Proby
I've finally found it lurking on a tape - I knew it was somewhere
- and it doesn't sound like Jimmy Smith to me. Well, a little,
possibly, on a bad night in the dark, but not really.
Nice idea though.
Peter
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:34:16 -0500
From: Teri Landi
Subject: Re: Lucy In London/Lesley Gore
Keith,
I have seen Lucy In London (not at MTR). The story line -
Lucy wins a trip to London and her tour guide just happens
to be Anthony Newley. Of course in typical Lucy fashion, she
gets herself into some predicaments and along the way she has
an encounter with the Dave Clark Five. To answer your question
there is no Ronettes song over the opening credits however there
is a theme song sung by Phil Spector halfway through the show.
The song, "Lucy In London", is also written by Phil. Fun song
("Lucy's in London, bridges are falling down..." - "It's Lucy,
with the Dave Clark Five!").
And for something kind of Spector related - I just recently got the
Bear Family 5CD box set on Lesley Gore. I've always been a fan and
this set truly shows her great talent and just how underrated she
really is. The Mercury Anthology is great but for anyone seeking
more, this is it. One track I am fascinated with is "I Just Don't
Know If I Can" written by Lesley Gore and Carole Bayer. It's a
little folk rock masterpiece - very Jackie DeShannon with Spectorish
production. Shelby Singleton is listed as the producer (recorded
December 1964 at A&R in NYC) but it doesn't sound anything like
the recordings he produced for her in 1965. The arranger at the
'65 sessions was Alan Lorber. Anyone have any idea who may have
arranged the Dec '64 session? The booklet lacks details except for
the titles of songs from that session that were unfortunately lost.
She went on to work with Jack Nitzsche who produced a session in
March '65 which resulted in the beautiful "What Am I Gonna Do With
You" which sounds like a long lost Philles single.
Interestingly, Lesley layed down a new vocal for this song in July
under Quincy Jones. Nitzsche's track however pretty much remained
the same and the new recording ended up on the My Town, My Guy & Me
LP. Nitzsche is not credited for his arrangement or production. When
Mercury released their 2CD anthology in 1996 Claus Ogermann is even
credited as arranger. The original Nitzsche session is available on
the box set.
Teri Landi
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:56:13 +0000
From: David A Young
Subject: Lucy in London
Keith Beach wrote:
>I went to the Museum Of Television And Radio, NY some 10 years back.
>My first priority was to look for the Lucille Ball TV special from the
>60's 'Lucy in London'. They didn't have it then, but they might now.
>Just in case it needs explanation...it's important because we believe
>the Ronettes did a song over the opening credits. I don't know anyone
>who has this in any form. Maybe the next Spectropop member there could
>check it out for us.
Keith,
The source of this misinformation may be a January 8, 2000 Spectropop
post by Rein Smilde, in which he wrote, "Does anybody know the Ronettes
singing 'When Lucy was in London, she wore my miniskirt' (or something
like this). I do think I remember a Lucy Ball show in the sixties 'Lucy
in London', with music from Dave Clarck 5 and something of a titlesong
by The Ronettes."
It's Phil himself, not The Ronettes, that feature in this special.
Originally broadcast in the States on October 24, 1966, "Lucy in London"
includes a montage sequence in which the a song of that name, written,
performed, and produced by an offscreen Phil Spector, is used as the
musical backdrop for much self-conscious psychedelia. Theoretically, one
can view this video clip at the link below:
http://www.youns.com/lucy/videospecials.asp
The tune is an utterly over-the-top latter-day Spector production
incorporating a very unusual, slow interlude that suggests a bit of
Brian Wilson influence; all in all, it lasts about four minutes. My
web research reveals that a one-sided eight-inch acetate of the song
sold at auction in Japan in March 1997 for the equivalent (then) of
$2025. I don't suppose the lucky owner is one of you, now, is it?
(If it is, though, the words "musica" and "please" spring immediately
to mind.)
Best wishes, and happy New Year, everybody.
David
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:01:16 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
Hi Denis
It will probably be a demo of the Andrew Oldham Orchestra, with
Mick on vocals from September 1964. It was produced by John Paul
Jones of Led Zep fame.
Richard
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:12:49 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Brian Wilson, Oldies reissues
Beach Boys addicts might want to keep a close eye on the new
releases at http://www.acerecords.co.uk
Seems there's a rather exciting collection of his outside
production work due any moment. I've been praying for an album
like this (Survivors, Glen Campbell, Rachel & The Revolvers etc)
for years! I always seem to be raving about Ace to the group
lately - no, I don't work for them! They just seem to release
something wonderful every month. OK the majors don't seem to be
releasing many "oldies" lately, but I do think this is a golden
age for reissues. Labels like Ace and Sundazed consistently release
reissues of a higher quality than we've ever seen before.
Remember how we thought CD would mean the death of minority interest
releases? In 2002 I bought new CDs by the Blades Of Grass, the
Flares and the Rocky Fellers. These are great times!
P.S. Ace have got some girl group album coming out too!
Regards, Guy.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 11:51:09 +0100
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: Da doo ron ron by Mick Jagger ????
The only thing I know about Jagger doing Da Doo Ron Ron, is on
the Andrew Oldham Orchestra & Chorus album "16 hip hits" from 1964.
Besides the song appearing on that album (& also officially on the
comp Hard up Heroes, 1974), it was included on several Stones
bootlegs, including Da Doo Ron Ron, Dr No presents the Rolling Stones
and Out of Time.
Happy New Year to you all!
Eddy
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:58:44 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jive Fiveing with FGG
Mike Rashkow's message on the Jive 5 and Teacho Wiltshire's
"You Gotta Run" had me digging around to see if I had the track.
Found it on their EMI released CD "The Complete United Artists
Recordings" pleased with Mike's prompting to replay it. "You
Gotta ..." is a tad too raw for my delicate sensibilities, but
the whole CD is filled with great New York soul/doo wop. This
find prompted me to play their earlier CD issued by Ace, "Our
True Story" containing the Beltone material. Again excellent
and I was remindedof the Feldman-Goldstein-Gottehrer, tracks
particularly "What Time It Is" and "She's My Girl". The style
of the latter is more like The Tokens/Four Seasons than RnB,
in a similar style is their producing of The Concords on a
version of Jackie DeShannon/Jack Nitzsche's "Should I Cry".
A bopping uptempoed, bell ringing wonder! FGG are better
known for their girl group records but a very talented trio
in any guise (Australian Sheep Farmers included!) and I'm
surprised there isn't more 'chat' on their work.
Martin
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:54:59 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: The Big Hurt
Re The Big Hurt:
We had a lot of discussion about this around 15 months ago.
You might search the archives.
Try "phasing" or try "Mirrors Of Your Mind".
http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?query=phasing&crid=3139029a15576827
Rashkovsky
Member with no Standing
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 02:47:13 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: The Ronettes and M the K
Thanks to Deena Canale for the scoop on Murray and his dancing girls.
I did see a Murray The K show at the Paramount Theatre in NYC in
1967.This was a bit of a different era from the Brooklyn Fox shows
and included on the bill, The Who, Cream, and The Blues Project.It
was the Who's first New York if not first American performance and
they were for the most part the act I came to see.
Speaking of all the Strangeloves lore, does anyone know what Richard
Gottehrer is up to these days? I've always been a fan of his production
on the first Marshall Crenshaw album.
Happy New Year to all,
Bill Craig
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:41:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Jones
Subject: Three questions
Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers, and welcome to M-M-Ai-Yi-Yi!
First question: Back when he was playing The Riddler on the
"Batman" TV show, the great Frank Gorshin put out a single
(on A&M); Side A was a Mel Torme composition called "The Riddler",
while Side B was "Never Let Her Go", the same song that would later
become a minor hit for its composer, David Gates, and his group Bread.
Has anyone heard this single? Is it worth seeking out?
Second question: Billy Joe Royal's DOWN IN THE BOONDOCKS album opens
with a song called "Pollyanna". I'm sure I've heard this tune by some
other act, a Four Seasons-style vocal group (though not the Seasons
themselves). Anyone know who it could've been?
Third question: Judging from the recent Bobby Russell message string,
we've got some experts on the "Hit Records" knockoffs. Whenever the
soloist was female, the label usually identified her as "Kathy Shannon".
Was this a real name? If not, does anyone know who she really was?
Thanks.
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