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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Everlys
From: Steve Harvey
2. Re: < < < < Party Talk > > > >
From: James Botticelli
3. Re: sly Sly/Everlys vs. Matt Helm
From: Phil Milstein
4. Re: 4 Seasons' update
From: Mike Edwards
5. Re: Remains, Ronettes, long oldies, r&b originals, more
From: Country Paul
6. Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
From: Mary
7. Re: Jive 5
From: David Feldman
8. Re: Clinger Sisters / Johnny Cymbal
From: Patrick Rands
9. Re: Watering down lyrics
From: Frank
10. Re: Seasonal sounds
From: Kingsley Abbott
11. Re: sly Sly
From: Simon White
12. Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:13:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Everlys
Paul:
> ...the horrendously punny and sexist "Lovey Kravezit", which even the EB's
> couldn't save despite a valiant effort.
Dino, Don and Phil and a soundtrack couldn't make it a hit. I think somebody at
Warner Bros. had the publishing rights and was determined to make money off it.
Probably threatened to kill the Everlys' film career if they didn't do more
tripe like it. Don and Phil opted to stick to music instead of films after that
one.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:26:06 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: < < < < Party Talk > > > >
Elisabeth's S'pop Party setlist:
> It may be winter outside ('Nettes & Elisabeth)
> Walking in the rain (Elisabeth)
I'm wondering Elisabeth, have you ever considered covering Barry White's
"Walking In The Rain (With The One I Love)" by Love Unlimited? Into "It May
Be Winter Outside", both Love Unlimited and Felice Taylor's, then into
"Walking In The Rain"? Just a thought...
JB
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:30:14 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: sly Sly/Everlys vs. Matt Helm
Simon White wrote:
> Loathe as I am to impart this info....the A side, "Danse A La Musique", was a
> Northern Soul play.
Is that a French-language version of Dance To The Music, or something more
sinister?
Country Paul wrote:
> Steve Harvey...the horrendously punny and sexist "Lovey Kravezit", which even
> the Everlys couldn't save despite a valiant effort.
Could either Steve or Paul clarify this reference a bit further? "Lovey
Kravezit" was the surrogate Miss Moneypenny in Dean Martin's Matt Helm series.
I'm curious to learn what the Everlys had to do with any of that.
--Phil M.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:42:16 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: 4 Seasons' update
Andrew Jones writes:
> I don't know if any of the other Seasons were involved in this, but I have an
> old promo 45 (on the Smash label!) of Frankie Valli, "You're Ready Now"
> b/w "Cry for Me." Both sides are produced by Bob Crewe, Side A is written by
> Crewe-Gaudio and Side B by Gaudio, and it sounds just like an average Four
> Seasons single except that the background singers sound more like overdubbed
> Frankie than the other Seasons.
Andrew, thanks for putting this great 45 out there on Spectropop where it
belongs. I always thought that girl session singers backed Frankie on this one.
Released in 1966, it got to # 112 in the US and even lower in the UK. But it
didn't rest there: "the great North West (of England) took it to heart and
played it religiously every Saturday." It was reissued in the UK and "was
arguably the first Northern 45 to chart based on regional demand": it reached #
11 in 1971. The quotes are from Kev Roberts' "Northern Soul Top 500" and he
goes on to say that "in terms of real commercial Northern, this possibly is the
forerunner of a generation, and although scorned by purists, if it were not for
such sides the scene might never have flourished."
Rex Strother writes:
> Can anyone tell me ANYTHING about Kool Cad & The Tailfins?
Sorry, Rex.
Martin Roberts has cited some tracks on which the Seasons sang back-up and I
have some questions:
"Pollyanna" (not the Classics IV song). The Crewe-Gaudio song was recorded by
John Corey on VJ in 1962 with the Seasons on back-up. Was this the same song as
by Even Mitchell on Mala in 1963? Vic Thomas on US Philips – "Down The Stream
To The River" and "Napoleon Bonaparte" (both 1964). He was backed by the 4
Evers as you indicated. I have not heard the other titles you mention: Evan
Mitchell – "Dirty Lies"/" I'll Wait"; the Rays – "Are You Happy Now"/"Bright
Brown Eyes"; 4 Kings – "One Night". (You know what's coming next). If it's
not too much trouble could you play some of these to musica? They sound
fabulous.
Finally, I would urge all members to write in re: the 4 Seasons. After all
everybody has a few favorite Seasons' songs, so let's start the New Year right
(the New York Jets did).
Mike Edwards
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 02:05:12 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Remains, Ronettes, long oldies, r&b originals, more
JB wrote:
> Barry & The Remains are now reunited for touring purposes and were seen a
> couple of years back on their Maiden Voyage right here in Boston. They sound
> EXACTLY the same as their legendary Epic LP of 1966.
The Remains did the first high-volume high-energy rock show I'd ever seen - at
Brown University's Spring Weekend in '66. Why Do I Cry had been a huge campus
hit, and the band lived up to every expectation - and then some. Still a
memorable experience!
Deena Canale, thanks for the great retelling of the "Murray The K's Dancing
Girls" story. I've read both the Ronnie Spector book and the Wolfman Jack
autobiography (found in a cut-out bin in hardcover for only $1.99!). Both
are must reading for folks on this list. Wolfie was quite the character....
BTW, I went looking for the "Cousin Elaine" photos at
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst and got an error message.
Is there another URL, please?
Bill Craig, "House of the Rising Sun" as mrequently played on oldies stations
today does indeed have a full-volume ending after a fairly long organ ride. If
I remember, that was the "original" album version. The same happened
(stateside, at least) with the Fortunes' "You've Got Your Troubles" - a longer
almost full-volume ending was "added" to the "oldies" ersion. Yet, "Penny Lane"
by the Beatles had that wonderful soprano trumpet ride at the end of the
original pressing, only to be lost on subsequent 45rpm pressings (and restored
on the "Rarities" album). This could be an interesting thread - variants on the
hit versions. Anyone?
Special coolness points awarded for Mike Edwards citing Freddie Cannon's
FGG-written "What's Gonna Happen When Summer's Done." By now most of you know
the Chuck Barris (author of Cannon's "Palisades Park") alleged biographical
movie, "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind," has been released. Has anyone seen it
yet? Is it worthwhile?
Dan Hughes, the "Love, Love" you're referring to was a pre-rock 1950's song
properly titled "That's All I Want From You." (In my head I hear the Ames
Brothers doing it, but I may well be wrong.) There was also a circa 1958
version, retitled "Chi Wa Wa" [sp?] after the vocal group's backing chant
released on the black-label Argo [later Cadet] with an accordion (!) backing;
it was a small hit, but I forget the name of the one-shot group. (Help, anyone?)
John Rausch: "I Wanna Do It," covered by the Strangeloves, was originally by
Bobby Comstock & The Counts, Lawn Records, 1963 (dist. by Swan). Great frat
party toon! (BTW, never knew FGG were the Sheep. It got a couple of plays in
Providence, RI without any "financial support"!)
All this Strangeloves/Sloopy talk makes me think that an album of original r&b
versions of songs that became garage classics would be kinda cool. The
Vibrations' "Hang on Sloopy," The Olympics' "Good Lovin'," Cannibal & The
Headhunters' "Land of 1000 Dances," the Marvelows' "I Do" and the Marathons'
"Peanut Butter" would be good places to start. Not covered like the others but
still wonderful additions would be the Vibrations' "The Watusi" and the
Olympics' "Dance By The Light of the Moon."
Dan Hughes: Power Records was owned by SPC, the Specialty Plastics Corporation,
a record-pressing contractor as well as label owner. I seem to remember some
reissues of hits by the original artists on the same label as well.
Almost caught up - but MEGO, so I go.
Country Paul
(burning the 2am oil)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:26:47 -0000
From: Mary
Subject: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
Does anyone know or heard of Standing in the Shadow of Motown? It's a
Movie...
thanks..Mary
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 04:04:41 -0500
From: David Feldman
Subject: Re: Jive 5
Kingsley Abbott said:
> On the Jive 5, I'd love to see their later UA material out on CD - I have
> the "I'm A Happy Man" album, which has long been a fave - great songs - no
> filler there...also a very good line up of the group, with an especially rich
> bass voice on it. One of the later real true Doo Wop albums, but with
> sixties production/songwriting /production values!
And I love their 1982 album, "Here We Are," on Ambient Sound (distributed by
CBS), part of a series in which doo-wop groups tackled new and old material. I
assume none of the albums in this series (the other particularly strong ones
were the Harptones and the Capris) ever made it to CD.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:43:49 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: Clinger Sisters / Johnny Cymbal
I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I am trying to find a copy of the
following Clinger Sisters 45 on Jo-Bee Records:
Clinger Sisters Jo-Bee 1002 - A side: Bread and Butter; B side: ? I believe
this 45 came out sometime around 1965-1966.
I am also trying to locate copies of the following songs written by Peggy
Clinger and Johnny Cymbal. Johnny Cymbal released a lot of music under many
different aliases like: Derek / Milk / Taurus / Simonshy / Dallas / American
Machine / Eye-Full Tower / Brother John
I have been finding that he has sprinkled Cymbal-Clinger compositions on some
of these releases. These are the tunes that I am looking for, for which I do
not know the artists:
All songs by PEGGY CLINGER/JOHNNY CYMBAL:
* FEED ME
* FLUFF
* HEADS OR TAILS
* ME LOVING YOU
* ONE MORE MILE
* PICTURES (aka PICTURE YOU PICTURE ME)
* SOMETHING TO BELIEVE
* STANDIN IN THE NEED OF LOVE
* VOO DOO WOMAN
* YOU BETTER THINK IT OVER
If you have any information on these songs or have copies of these songs please
let me know!
:Patrick
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:44:38 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Watering down lyrics
I guess you got a point, Richard, though I still feel that most of the pop hits
from the 50's and 60's were ridiculously adapted in French. The advice to "Shop
Around" (The Miracles) became an advice not to Shop Around. "(Girls) Were Made
To Love" became stay faithful and don't look at all the girls... and so on. The
idea was to make those lyrics as politically correct as possible.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:46:03 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: Seasonal sounds
I seem to recall that the Seasons are on Scott Oberle's "Cupid's Poison Dart" -
certainly sounds like it. Other Season soundalikes faves of mine include:
Be My Girl - 04 Evers (anything of theirs is great)
You're My Girl - Rising Sons
She's My Girl - Coastliners
Wait A Minute - Tim Tam & Turn Ons
Arlene - Four Winds
Cold & Frosty Morning - Concords
Summer's Gone - Wild Things
Baby Toys- Victorians (Massi's post 4S project)
April - Rip Tides
Cry Baby Boy - In Crowd
Michelle - Dahills
Playgirl - 04 Winds
Give My Love A Chance - Deltas
plus the Gaudio produced 70s Beverly Hills Blues Band's "Just Because"...plus
the recently discussed 4S soundalikes CD that emerged.
I hear talk of a Rhino 4S box set sometime soon - long overdue, but probably
won't have too many unreleased songs simply as there were very few that weren't
used at the time...shame!
Kingsley
PS re Spector/Pet Sounds influences...whilst Phil certainly influenced Brian
massively and gave him some of his instrumental combinations notions, I would
argue strongly that Brian's personal soundscape journey can be traced from
as far back as Lana and Farmer's Daughter on the second BB album, thru to side
two of the BB's "Today" album For real "Pet Sounds" in the making check out
the amazing track to Glen Campbell's "Guess I'm Dumb" (recorded Oct 14th 1964)
where almost all the PS combinations are being worked along with the Burt B
influences which are at least as strong as Phil.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:13:45 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: sly Sly
Phil Milstein wrote:
> ..."Danse A La Musique"...Is that a French-language version of Dance To The
> Music, or something more sinister?
I cannot begin to describe it!
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:41:59 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
Mary asked:
> Does anyone know or heard of Standing in the Shadow of Motown?
> It's a Movie...
Hi Mary,
This movie was the talk of S'pop some weeks ago. A gang of us went to see it
in London. I searched the Forum Archives to find something for you to read. To
read. Visit the URL below to see some of the results. It might also be worth
searching for "Motown Documentary", "Funk Brothers" or "London Film Festival":
http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=3139029a15576827&query=standing+in+the+shadows+of+motown
The Spectropop site has an excellent search facility, I find. Click below
and try it: http://www.spectropop.com/archive/index.html
MICK PATRICK
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