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Spectropop - Digest Number 763
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003
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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
From: Martin Roberts
2. Re: Four Seasons - Little Boy (In Grown up Clothes) / Oldies radio.
From: Billy G Spradlin
3. Re: Falsetto memory syndrome
From: James Botticelli
4. Re: falsettos (and close harmony in general)
From: Shawn Baldwin
5. Re: Four Seasons remixes
From: James Botticelli
6. Re: Miss Frankie Nolan / Bob Crewe
From: Mike Miller
7. Re: Foskett
From: James Botticelli
8. Re: Andy Pratt
From: Steve Harvey
9. Re: Daylight And Darkness
From: Eric Charge
10. Re: Four Seasons remixes
From: Eddy Smit
11. Radio & Power Pop; Eclection; melismas; Ronny & the Philharmonic; more
From: Country Paul
12. Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
From: Teri Landi
13. Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
From: Mike Edwards
14. Re: Four Seasons remixes
From: Mikey
15. Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
From: Guy Lawrence
16. More Ronnie Milsap
From: Guy Lawrence
17. Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
From: Charles Ellis
18. Re: Ronny & the Philharmonic
From: Jeff Lemlich
19. Mae West backing group
From: Claus
20. Christmas in January Pt 1 - Where The Girls Are Vol.5
From: Martin Roberts
21. Christmas in January Pt 2 - All American Boys
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:55:53 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
Hi all, the Record Of The Week at
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
is Daniel A. Stone's "It Must Be Raining" on Capitol (early '61).
This features Jack Nitzsche's first credited arrangement.
Next week: Garry Bonner and Gentle Soul battle it out.
There is another new-ish jingle playing on the Nitzsche Radio page.
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:09:43 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Four Seasons - Little Boy (In Grown up Clothes) / Oldies radio.
BTW I bought a copy of The 4 Seasons "Little Boy (In Grown up
Clothes)" from E-bay and posted it to musica yesterday. I wasn't
happy the way the 45 arrived - it came in a box stuffed with
newspaper and no sleeve. It was in worn shape but playable.
Its a fine song, right in line with the Seasons 65-66 period.
My guess it wasnt a big hit because radio had gotten wise of
Vee-Jay's re-releasing of the Seasons catalog by then. Had it
come out on Philips you'd proably hear it on your local oldies
along with their other classics. A great record that doesnt
knock you out on the first listen but slowly grows on you..
WSIA 1530 AM in Cincinatti has flipped from MOR standards to
"Real Oldies" - pre-british invasion oldies from 1955 to 1963
with a few from the mid 60s sneaking in ('66 Bobby Herb's -
"Sunny") They are a 50,000 "blowtorch" but their signal doesn't
beam well to the southwest on the nighttime pattern. Has anyone
on the east coast heard them and what songs are they spinning?
Also I have read that Buffalo's WWKB 1520 is planning to return
to oldies soon. On a sad note 1520 KOMA-AM in Oklahoma City which
has run oldies since 1988 is planning to stop simulcasting with
their FM and go all news/talk next month, just what AM listeners
need!
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:51:46 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Falsetto memory syndrome
Richard Williams wrote:
> Another big guy with a wonderful falsetto gift: the late,
> great Billy Stewart (particularly "I Do Love You").
I was just thinking of also adding the late great Keith Barrow.
I think Billy falls into the lower than false tenor register
actually. Man could play that organ too!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:27:56 -0600
From: Shawn Baldwin
Subject: Re: falsettos (and close harmony in general)
Stuart Miller:
> I was surprised by the support that Russell Tompkins had.
> Compared to the sweet soul of the Delfonics, this was chicken
> in a basket nite club stuff. Did the guy ever sing in anything
> other than alto? He seemd to be stuck up there permanently.
Speaking as a man who naturally sings alto! Russell and the
gentlemen in the Delfonics have often gone beyond what is
technically the alto and are into the second Soprano range.
The sound of the male falsetto is much higher than the actual
notes a when done by a woman. Ruth Pointer of the Pointer Sisters
is not a true alto she's a contralto which basically mean she's a
high tenor.
Shawn
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:06:54 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Four Seasons remixes
Vincent Degiorgio wrote:
> Ben Liebrand, very famous in Holland and parts of Europe for
> his productions and remixes, did a great job on "Oh" as well
> "Long Train Running" by The Doobies.
The Long Train is a staple of my mobile DJ diet...packs the
floor with rockers and discophiles alike. I just heard of a
brand new remix of Van Morrison's "I've Been Workin'". Anyone
know anything about this? Like where it might be found?
JB
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:04:24 EST
From: Mike Miller
Subject: Re: Miss Frankie Nolan / Bob Crewe
Ronnie,
Yes, there was a single by Frankie Nolan, possibly 2, on the
ABC label. On the song "I Still Care", there is a definite
woman vocal lead, and you can hear Valli singing high at
different times throughout the song.
Nobody seems to know anything about "Frankie Nolan". Who was she??
It was definitely not frankie valli, although he appears on the
record. could it have been hedy sontag, who crewe was already
working with around this time?? I have not compared the voices,
but it's possible.
Anyone else with info on "Frankie Nolan" ??????
doowopdaddy
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:19:21 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Foskett
> Kingsley Abbott:
> any current discussion on classy falsettos should include
> Jeff Foskett, currently with Brian Wilson's band.
> http://www.new-surf.com
Thanks Kingsley for the link. I was surprised to learn that
Jeff once sang with Theresa Bright whom I had the pleasure of
seeing perform with Hawaii's Don Tiki at the closing of the
mighty Kahiki supperclub in Columbus, Ohio back in '00.
Oh, what a night indeed!
JB
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:47:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Andy Pratt
There's a local record store owner who told me he
recently heard Andy Pratt in concert. Said Andy asked
him to manage him, but he's not too sure he wants to.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:27:37 -0000
From: Eric Charge
Subject: Re: Daylight And Darkness
"Daylight & Darkness" is on Smokey's solo Ultimate Collection.
He has had a more recent Anthology released and I think it's
there too.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:56:34 +0100
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: Four Seasons remixes
Stewart:
> I'm sure there must be at least one CD of remixed
> Frankie Valli/Four Seasons hits out there.
There's *Best of* - American Superstars (Series) on Curb
CUR 7766-2 (CD), a European release from 1991.
Eddy
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:58:09 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Radio & Power Pop; Eclection; melismas; Ronny & the Philharmonic; more
Javed wrote:
> Speaking of the 70s, I was an F.M. snob and still enjoy much
> of the music mentioned over the last few days but I have to
> confess that I was missing out on some of the AM gold at the
> time and have come to appreciate it....
> Magic/Pilot
> Moon Light Feels Right--Starbuck (included members of Eternity's
> Children)
> Sugar Baby Love/The Rubettes
> Let Your Love Grow/Bread
> Beach Baby/First Class
> Some Sing Some Dance/Pagliaro
> The Raspberries (actually I liked them from the get-go)
Javed, you should have been in central Connecticut in the early
70's. WHCN didn't touch the Rubettes, First Class or Pagliaro
(I confess to being totally unfamiliar with this name, for which
I will surely be raked over the coals!). However, Raspberries
and Badfinger were mainstays of our freeform/progressive station,
and we did give a bit of airtime to Pilot and Big Star, as well
as artists like Greg Kihn, Dwight Twilley (another mainstay and,
IMO, thoroughly under-rated), the Wackers ("Hot Wacks" was a
station fave), and more pop-borderline artists. I admit to having
a soft spot for Bread, particularly on their "deeper" songs, such
as "If", my fave by them, although Starbuck and First Class still
haven't found their way into my heart. I just heard the Rubettes
for the first time last year, and really like "Sugar Baby Love."
I always have felt that good pop music is timeless, and am
impressed at how much better is has stood the test of time than
some of the more self-important bands of the 70s, like Yes
(better earlier, when they cooked as well as thought), EL&P
(who I always thought to be first-rate showmen but who made
second-rate music, despite their popular acclaim); and even
my obscure personal favorites Gentle Giant, who were towering
in musical and lyrical intellect but much of whose music has
not aged well. (I know there are many "fightin' words" in the
above paragraph, and I expect to be roasted, but they are only
my opinions, not my dictates, and I welcome yours - opinion,
not dictates!)
One of the most interesting radio stations I worked at was
WDRC-FM, which during the mid-to-late 70's had a unique hybrid
format on the border of pop and album rock - "AOR with Top 40
hits, or was it Top 40 with album cuts?" While mainstream in
its execution, it always begged to be expanded some into power
pop, which effectively straddled that fine line. I agree that
in significant part "[p]ower pop as a movement...was also a
natural extension of the core music we discuss on this list."
Richard Havers:
> that's not a hint to have a thread about Eclection, the
> pre-Fotheringay Elektra band!
But there are some astonishing tracks there, like "St. George &
The Dragon," despite the fact that the drummer learned how to
play between this and Fairport! [That, to me was Eclection's
biggest weakness - he couldn't roll around the set in that band,
but he "got good" in Fairport. More fightin' words, I'm sure:-)]
This LP was another WHCN turntable hit as well. But we were also
a station that gave significant of airplay to Fairport, Steeleye
Span, Renaissance and Pentangle as well as the artists mentioned
above.
Phil Chapman:
> ...worst falsetto...Dick & Dee Dee (I'm thinking of "Thou Shalt
> Not Steal")
Agreed - but "The Mountain's High" would be included in my best.
I've always been song- and record-oriented, and the song and
arrangement on "Mountain" make the sound work.
By the way, Phil M., I don't blame it all on Patti Labelle, but
a lot of it, certainly. Back as far as "Down The Aisle," she did
some of the most ear-splitting over-the-top wailing yet committed
to record. On the other hand, the single "Lady Marmalade" is tight
and cookin' (if totally overplayed), and any melismas are controlled
and appropriate. May I also add that I met her at that time, and a
nicer and warmer person would be hard to find. Same for the rest of
the trio.
Jeff Lemlich:
> Now for bonus points, name the link between Nashville cats
> Ronny & The Daytonas and the Neon Philharmonic.
Let's see...Ronny was Buck Wilkin, son of Marijohn Wilkin,
proprietor of "the other" Nashville backing group (not Anita Kerr
Singers or Jordanaires). The Daytonas were all Nashville session
cats. Family connection somewhere? Same cats in both groups? Also,
Marijohn's group did her song "Long Black Veil" on Capitol in the
early 60s as The Nashville Street Singers, and I'm looking for a
copy of that intense version. (Think "I Ain't Never" without Webb
Pierce or Mel Tillis - and with a dash of irony). Could someone
who has it play it to musica, pretty please?
Worth repeating:
> "NRBQ: Rock 'n' Roll's Best Kept Secret", a thoroughly
> entertaining one-hour documentary that will air as part
> of A&E's "Breakfast With the Arts" program on Sunday
> from 8 to 10 a.m. EST, PST.
Re: Joe Melson, would the song "Barbara" have been writte about
Barbara Orbison, the widowed Mrs. Roy? Perhaps one of our
Nashville-based members, i.e. the knowledgeable and connected
Nick Archer, could find her and request any Joe Melson information
she might have.
Incidentally, at http://www.janetklein.com is a thumbnail bio of
Ian Whitcomb as well as lots of other stuff. (Takes a long time to
load on a 56K modem, though, but worth it.)
Matt The Cat: Ronnie Milsap's original version of "Let's Go Get
Stoned" is also on a Scepter 45. I hadn't realized there was a
2nd 45. Nice find.
Country Paul
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:17:49 -0500
From: Teri Landi
Subject: Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
Matt,
Ronnie Milsap made many fine soulful singles for Scepter between
1965 and 1969. To my knowledge, they have not been reissued on CD
save for "Never Had It So Good" which came out on the 3 disc
Scepter Records Story. He also made recordings for Warner, Chips
(a Chips Moman label?) and Crazy Cajun before moving to RCA. The
Scepter, Chips & Warner recordings would make a great CD collection
showcasing his R & B side (Razor & Tie are you listening?).
I do not know the flip side of "A Thousand Miles..." but I do have
these Scepter singles myself:
Never Had It So Good/Let's Go Get Stoned (12109) (Prod by Stan Green)
I Can't Tell A Lie/House Of The Rising Sun (12206) (Prod by Chips Moman)
Do What You Gotta Do/Mr. Mailman (12228) (Prod by Chips Moman)
Denver/Nothing Is As Good As It Used To Be (12246) (Prod by Chips Moman)
Love Will Never Pass Us By/What's Your Game (12272)
(Prod by Mark James & Glen Spreen)
Other non-Scepter singles I know the existence of are:
It Went To Your Head/???? (Warner 5405) (1963)
Loving You Is A Natural Thing/??? (Chips 2889) (1970)
A Rose By Any Other Name/Sermonette (Chips 2987) (1970)
Incidentally, the backing tracks for "Never Had It So Good",
"Do What You Gotta Do" and "Mr. Mailman" are the same tracks
that were used for the B.J. Thomas recordings, also produced
by Chips Moman. B.J. of course was also on Scepter.
Teri Landi
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:56:22 -0500
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Update
Martin:
> Hi all, the Record Of The Week at
> http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
> is Daniel A. Stone's "It Must Be Raining" on Capitol
Better go there now before we get into trouble!
Thanks, Martin
Mike Edwards
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:27:54 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Four Seasons remixes
> Stewart:
> I'm sure there must be at least one CD of remixed
> Frankie Valli/Four Seasons hits out there.
Eddy:
> There's *Best of* - American Superstars (Series) on Curb
> CUR 7766-2 (CD), a European release from 1991.
Yea, it's HORRIBLE. They put "Disco" Backing to the songs.
Totally worthless.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:30:18 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
Another Ronnie Milsap 45 on Scepter was "Ain't No Soul (Left
In These Old Shoes)"/"Another Branch From The Old Tree" (12161)
- beloved of not just Northern soul fans but also us Bubblegum
nuts who know that an early Levine/Resnick composition can be
found on the A-side. It was produced by Huey Meaux.
As usual Record Master should have all the answers at
http://www.recordmaster.com
Regards,
Guy.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:08:33 -0000
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: More Ronnie Milsap
Incidentally Ronnie's "Ain't No Soul" has been reissued on CD.
It's available on Kent's "Dancing 'Til Dawn", a compilation of
Northern soul favourites from the Wand and Scepter labels.
Details at http://www.acerecords.co.uk
Guy.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:06:31 -0000
From: Charles Ellis
Subject: Re: Ronnie Milsap on Scepter
Teri Landi:
> Ronnie Milsap made many fine soulful singles for Scepter between
> 1965 and 1969. To my knowledge, they have not been reissued on CD
> save for "Never Had It So Good" which came out on the 3 disc
> Scepter Records Story.
How about posting one or two of the Scepter songs on musica - I
have the Scepter Records StoryBox set, and just love "Never Had
It So Good"!!
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 01:31:27 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Ronny & the Philharmonic
Jeff Lemlich:
> Now for bonus points, name the link between Nashville cats
> Ronny & The Daytonas and the Neon Philharmonic.
> Country Paul: Let's see...Ronny was Buck Wilkin, son of
> Marijohn Wilkin, proprietor of "the other" Nashville backing
> group (not Anita Kerr Singers or Jordanaires). The Daytonas
> were all Nashville session cats. Family connection somewhere?
The session cats -- actually, one in particular, is the link.
Jerry Carrigan played drums for both Ronny & The Daytonas and the
Neon Philharmonic. In between he could be heard on "Listen To The
Band" by the Monkees, and not too long after his credits grew to
include some guy named Presley.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:35:56 -0000
From: Claus
Subject: Mae West backing group
Greetings from Denmark
Can anyone help me with info on Mae West - Way Out West (Tower)
album. The cover mentions a dynamic young group called Somebody's
Children. The album was arranged by David Mallet, Jim Horn and
David Allen. It must be Dave Allen from all the Tower soundtracks.
But is the superb guitar work on this album also played by
Dave Allen?
Regards, Claus at
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/peakimp/00.html
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:55:28 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Christmas in January Pt 1 - Where The Girls Are Vol.5
The postman delivered two marvellous parcels today (more
on the other in Part 2). After a quick check with Sue that it
wasn't my birthday, the first one was ripped open.....
The anticipation and long wait are finally over. M&M's latest
triumph has been released, "Where The Girls Are 5: a decade of
Columbia femme pop". And it is fab - first impression is that
it is the best looking compilation Mick and Malcolm have been
involved with; the pictures are priceless and the layout great,
with a squint I could even read without my specs.
The articles on each artist are of the type that will have any
girl who ever sang a good 60s tune twitching the nets to see
if Mick is rummaging through her locker. Fabulous mini essays
on every artist featured - did you know that Christine Costello,
the lead singer of The Bootiques and writer of "Did You Get Your
Fun", is comedy star Lou's daughter? This and loads more in the
16-page booklet.
And the sound quality is outstanding. I'd forgotten quite how good
April Young's "Gonna Make Him My Baby" or Becky & the Lollipops
"My Boyfriend" are, and now the sound fair jumps out of the speakers.
Add to the aforementioned, groups such as The Orchids, Surfer Girls,
Pussycats and solo girls Dorothy Jones, Bernadette Peters, Jan Tanzy
plus loads more.
My advice is don't bother waiting 'til June for the latest Harry
Potter, start queueing at Tower Records tonight! Or visit the Ace
website at: http://www.acerecords.co.uk/gotrt/jan03/cdchd823.html
Martin
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:21:14 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Christmas in January Pt 2 - All American Boys
The second package I received contained the latest book by
Stephen McParland, the hardest working publisher and writer
connected with pop, on the beginnings of The Walker Brothers.
Despite his enormous output (what is it now, a new book every
fortnight?!) the wonderful thing is the quality doesn't suffer,
the books just get better and better.
This latest, despite Scott Engel's surf connected roots, charts
new waters for Stephen - his "Landlocked" perhaps? Another
departure is the marvellous full colour cover, it looks, and is a
very classy tome.
I guess the Walker Brothers and particularly Scott's story in the
UK is fairly well documented but this book really ends when the
boys board the plane for fame and glory in Britain. If you think
you know what they were up to in the previous years be prepared
for some surprises!
The information, interviews and story telling make this an essential
purchase for anyone interested in early sixties Californian pop.
Martin
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