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Spectropop - Digest Number 771
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003
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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "We Can't Go On This Way" / Teddy & the Pandas
From: Rosemarie Edwards
2. Re: Frank Ifield
From: Richard Havers
3. Re: Frank Ifield
From: Dan Hughes
4. Re: Ifield in D.C.
From: Phil Milstein
5. Re: "We Can't Go On This Way"
From: Mark Frumento
6. another song title request.
From: Justin McDevitt
7. Boenzee Cryque
From: James F. Cassidy
8. Re: Earth Opera
From: Richard Williams
9. Re: Teddy & the Pandas
From: Rat Pfink
10. Re: Earth Opera
From: Richard Havers
11. Re: another song title request.
From: Dan Hughes
12. Re: Teddy & the Pandas
From: Bob Wallis
13. Re: another song title request.
From: Paul Underwood
14. Re: Frank Ifield
From: George Leonard
15. Re: Frank Ifield
From: James Botticelli
16. Re: Gentle Soul
From: Efram Turchick
17. Still Another Goldstar Acetate...
From: Leonardo Flores
18. Re: Re: Donna Lynn
From: John S. Weathers
19. Re: Potato Latkes
From: Phil Milstein
20. More on Carter/Gilbert
From: Claus
21. Not so Boss Town; good music source in Canada; other notes
From: Country Paul
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:33:23 -0000
From: Rosemarie Edwards
Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On This Way" / Teddy & the Pandas
Bob - I have visited you website for 'Teddy and the Pandas' and I
love their music ... I think I will be ordering one of the CD's
soon ..which one do you recommend?
Rosemarie (Leeds Uk)
http://www.edrambeau.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:31:28 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Frank Ifield
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> In the late autumn of 1963, a song by Frank Ifield was played on WPGC
> (the Big 1580), serving the Washington d.c. metro area. I would like to
> find out the title of this track.
My guess would be Please/Mule Train (Capitol 5089) released in late 1963.
Best
Richard
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:34:43 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Frank Ifield
Re Justin's Frank Ifield query: Frank's big hit, I Remember You, charted
in '62. In '63 he charted in September with I'm Confessin' (That I Love
You), a song from 1930 (hit for both Guy Lombardo and Rudy Vallee); and
in December, a song entitled Please (a 1932 Bing Crosby hit).
Ring any bells for you?
---Dan
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:41:05 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Ifield in D.C.
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> In the late autumn of 1963, a song by Frank Ifield was played on WPGC (the
> Big 1580), serving the Washington d.c. metro area. I would like to find out
> the title of this track.
You may wanna check in at http://www.capitolrock.com, which tends to
cover slightly later DC rock but may yet have some resources that could help.
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:49:48 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On This Way"
Artie Wayne wrote:
> I'm curious about a track that Teddy and the Pandas cut "[You're so
> young and] We can't go on this way" that my freind Bob [Gypsys,
> Tramps and Thieves] wrote and I published [at one time]...can you
> post it on Musica? I remember it as being a really good song and a
> true story.
It is a great song. It actually came out officially on LP/CD in the
80s. Rhino originally included it on their old "Nuggets" series. I
suppose licensing (or musical preference) prevented it from getting
on the revamped Nuggets? To me it was one of the best Rhino "discoveries"
at the time. Though I have a decent CDR of all their material I wonder
when/if The Pandas will get their own CD like the Wildweeds etc? Their
three early singles are great pop tunes.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:50:04 -0600
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: another song title request.
Hello again Spectropop group,
I have yet another song title request. There is a song that I've heard over
the years, often song when a number of folks have consumed a fair amount of
some libation or other and are in a nostalgic place. I also recall hearing
it on the radio by a group that sounds somewhat like the Sandpipers. The
opening lyrics are: "Today while the blossom clings to the vine, I'll taste
your strawberries, and drink your sweet wine". What is the correct song
title and the group who performed this specific version?
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:44:06 -0500
From: James F. Cassidy
Subject: Boenzee Cryque
Jeff Glenn asked about the Frank Slay-produced Boenzee Cryque track;
I don't have it and haven't heard it, but I do know that Boenzee
Cryque was the Denver-based group that Rusty Young and George
Grantham were in before teaming up with Richie Furay, Jim Messina,
and Randy Meisner to form Poco.
Jim Cassidy
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:48:30 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Re: Earth Opera
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Earth Opera's 1st LP ranks very highly in my book...
If there's anyone out there with Earth Opera's The Great American Eagle
Tragedy in their collection, now would be a good time to play it. And if
someone could get a copy to George W Bush in the next few days, so much
the better. Couldn't be more relevant.
Richard Williams
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:13:10 -0500
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: Teddy & the Pandas
Rosemarie Edwards wrote:
> ...I have visited...website for 'Teddy and the Pandas' and I
> love their music ... I think I will be ordering one of the CD's
> soon ..which one do you recommend?
All three are great and worth getting. If you want to get just one
to start with go with "The 45s".
RP
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:14:13 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Earth Opera
Richard Williams wrote:
> If there's anyone out there with Earth Opera's The Great American Eagle
> Tragedy in their collection, now would be a good time to play it. And
> if someone could get a copy to George W Bush in the next few days, so much
> the better. Couldn't be more relevant.
Spot on Richard......time to dust off all those anti-war protest songs.....
Richard
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:30:13 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: another song title request.
Justin's mystery song:
> The opening lyrics are: "Today while the blossom clings to the vine,
> I'll taste your strawberries, and drink your sweet wine". What is the
> correct song title and the group who performed this specific version?
"Today" by the New Christy Minstrels (lead male singer Barry McGuire),
1964. From the film Advance to the Rear.
---Dan
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:41:46 -0000
From: Bob Wallis
Subject: Re: Teddy & the Pandas
Rosemarie:
> I love (Teddy & the Pandas') music ... I think I will be ordering one
> of the CD's soon ..which one do you recommend?
Hi Rosemarie,
If I were you, I'd opt first for "The 45s" - it has all their great
Musicor singles. They recorded at Olmsted Studio in NYC with some
great studio session folk like Hugh McCracken and Toni Wine
contributing to their work. If you like that and need more, I'd go to
the "Rarities and Fogotten Gems" with more of the same era stuff from
unreleased acetates. "Basic Magnetism" has some great tunes mixed in
with forced "Bosstown" era psychedelia which seems to have developed a
cult popularity, although the band has never been happy with the
release. So far I've been unable to find their Musicor masters (probably
owned by Moe Lytle, who purchased Musicor) or their Tower master (maybe
Capitol Records).
BW
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:50:41 +0100
From: Paul Underwood
Subject: Re: another song title request.
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> I have yet another song title request...
Hello there,
The song's called (surprise, surprise) "Today" and was written by Randy
Sparks of (I think) the New Christy Minstrels. Jimmie Rodgers had a
single of the song on A&M but I don't know if that was the original.
Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 03 12:26:10 -0800
From: George Leonard
Subject: Re: Frank Ifield
> Re Justin's Frank Ifield query: Frank's big hit, I Remember You, charted
> in '62.
I Remember You!? I'm an amateur compared to you gentlemen, but isn't that
the song which includes the funniest scene in popular music?
When the angels ask me to recall
The Thrill of them all
I will tell them I remember
tell them I remember
tell them I remember
You....
This scene broke new ground in theology. The angels respectfully
gathered around Big Frank, like so many Greasers around John Travolta,
asking him, "Aw, come on, Frank, tell us about all the girls!" "Spill it,
Dude!"
"Nah, boys--"
Angelic Chorus: "Frank! Come on! Please! The thrill of them all!"
Finally, Frank flips away his Marlboro and says, "Well, boys, just one.
There was this little number in Tulsa-- made me forget all the rest...."
Music up (Summer Days)
Angels: "Tell me more! tell me more! tell me more--"
Best,
George
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George Leonard
Conception and Choreography
Sha Na Na
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:47:40 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Frank Ifield
Dan Hughes:
> Re Justin's Frank Ifield query: Frank's big hit, I Remember You, charted
> in '62. In '63 he charted in September with I'm Confessin' (That I Love
> You)...and in December, a song entitled Please...
He also recorded "Lovesick Blues" which was a Hank-type song to the best of
my memory. Dave Edmunds also did it in the early 80's.
JB
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:33:56 -0500
From: Efram Turchick
Subject: Re: Gentle Soul
Country Paul, inspired by the recent remarks about the value of first-hand
input from those who were there, I ran your question and comments by Pamela
Polland. Her reply follows:
> Any idea who DID do the arranging?
"Me, Terry and Rick pretty much collaborated as a team on the arrangements,
except for the orchestrations which were arranged by Jack Nitzsche."
> By the way, the original Epic/Columbia paperwork has no indication of any
> involvement from Nitzsche on "Our National Anthem" or "Song For Three."
"Agreed. Those were not truly "orchestrated"..... I'd give Terry the
bulk of the credit for Our National Anthem, although, as I said, we
worked as a creative team. I've never been very shy in the studio. :)
I always have a lot of input."
> The recordings sound like a cross between Mamas and Papas, Jefferson
> Airplane and second-album Stone Poneys.
"I agree, although none of that was by design....I would call it a
'coincidence of the times'....or to get totally New Agey on ya...a
Jungian 'Collective Consciousness' kind of thing...all tuned in to a
similar wave length.
"We never had a thought about trying to sound like anyone else, or
even trying to be 'commercial' - we just wrote our songs, came up
with cool harmonic concepts, got really playful in the studio with
picking a source of musical instrumentation that appealed to us, (for
instance, I was totally into the harpsichord , and we knew Van Dyke,
so we asked him to play that instead of piano), and we just 'went for
it'. I will NEVER forget how SURE we ALL were that we had a MAJOR
HIT on our hands with 'Our National Anthem.' I think the fact that
the record company didn't promote us with that single is the ultimate
factor that blew us apart as a band. We were so sure we had something
really viable, and it went nowhere. That was mind blowing (in the
most negative sense of the term), heart breaking, and we never quite
recovered.
"That's why ya'll at Sundazed are now my personal heros. :)"
Regards,
Efram Turchick
Sundazed Music
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:45:04 -0000
From: Leonardo Flores
Subject: Still Another Goldstar Acetate...
Hello all!
I picked up another GOLDSTAR Acetate the other day. It sounds like a
commercial for a product.
The one sided Acetate reads:
"Potato Latkes"
(Potato Pancakes)
(Vera Heifetz)
It sound like a commercial for Potato snacks or something. It's quite
interesting and funny. Any info crew?
Thanks!
Leonardo Flores
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:11:32 -0500
From: John S. Weathers
Subject: Re: Re: Donna Lynn
Doc Rock wrote:
> I'm a big fan of Donna Lynn...
Andres:
> Is it the same Donna Lynn who once made `My Boyfriend Got A Beatle
> Haircut' in 1964? ...If it's she, what has happened to her after
> that more or less successful single? Were there any more releases?
> Any connections with Donna Lynn, who made a cover photo for the
> album The Very Best of Ashford & Simpson (released May 2002)?
Donnna Lynn 45s:
My Boyfriend Got a Beatle Haircut (also released lp by same name)/That
Winter Weekend (1964)
Ronnie/That's Me, I'm the Brother (1963)
Java Jones/Things That I Feel (1964)
Silly Girl/There Goes The Boy I Love With Mary (1964)
I'd Much Rather Be With the Girls/I'm Sorry More Than You Know (1965)
True Blue/When Your Heart Rings, Answer (1965)
Don't You Dare/I was Raining (1967)
Don't know about Ashford & Simpson.
JW
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:53:30 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Potato Latkes
Leonardo Flores wrote:
> I picked up another GOLDSTAR Acetate the other day. It sounds like a
> commercial for a product. The one sided Acetate reads: "Potato Latkes"
> (Potato Pancakes)
I hope it was something other than a commercial, as the thought of mass-
produced potato latkes is the stuff of nightmares. Like matzoh balls, if
they are made with anything less than great delicacy and care the result
will be first-class belly-bombers.
--Phil M.
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:27:06 -0000
From: Claus
Subject: More on Carter/Gilbert
I'll add Hardwater a Colerado group who headed to the West Coast to
record one album on Capitol in 68. Their much underrated album
includes three Carter/Gilbert songs. By the way... several of the
members were earlier in the surf combo Astronauts. The album should
interest fans of wc-rock in Kak and Quicksilver school.
Also Yankee Dollar recorded four Carter/Gilbert songs released on Dot
in 1968, one of them called "City Sidewalks" which was also included
on the mentioned Hardwater album. The album is strongly recommended.
I'll be pleased to hear more in this subject.
Regards, Claus
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/peakimp/00.html
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:42:26 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Not so Boss Town; good music source in Canada; other notes
Dan Hughes:
> So what did you think of Orpheus, the Beacon Street Union, and Ultimate
> Spinach? THOSE were the MGM Bosstown Sound groups.
And Phluph, who were on Verve, and a late (and luckily overlooked)
attachment. Where I was (in Providence, RI, an hour south), all three
groups were considered to be "not ready for prime time." All were
presented as hip album groups, but only Orpheus had success - as a singles
act with "Can't Find The Time." The late producer Tom Wilson hosted a
short-lived weekly show produced and distributed by MGM which presented
mostly (but not exclusively) MGM "hippie" acts. I attended the taping of
one with Ian Bruce-Douglas of the Ultimate Spinach, who was quiet yet kind
of self-important and pretentious - much like the album, as I remember.
The spectacular failure of the Bosstown hype ("Hey," though the MGM suits,
"if it can happen in San Francisco, let's make it happen in Boston!")
tarnished dozens of good-to-exceptional contemporaneous bands who would
have had an easier time growing and developing at their own pace: the
aforementioned Earth Opera and Teddy & The Pandas, plus Ill Wind ("In My
Dark World" on ABC), Bo Grumpus (Atco) and more. Those who made it biggest
despite the hype seemed to be the most sonically different from the hyped
groups, such as J. Geils, Swallow (to a much lesser extent) and the legion
of folkies, some (like Tom Rush and Joan Baez) who were already established.
And what did we think of them? Orpheus - some decent pop; Spinach - pompous;
Union - way too loose. Phluph - sort of okay as I remember. I wonder what a
listen today would reveal.
This could be a true find: I've finally located The Esquires' "So Many Other
Boys" (Capitol of Canada, 1964) in a Canadian hits compilation. The same
page offers CD's by Andy Kim, very early Carole King, Ray Peterson
(1957-62), the Castells, the Poppy Family, the Coca-Cola radio ads discussed
here recently, and more: http://www.gocontinental.com/classic4.htm And
that's just one of (what they say are) 300 pages of music at
http://www.gocontinental.com/index.html The Continental Record Company is
Canadian; their home page says they bought the inventory of Zirkon in 1970
and just kept on building. The roster of music is almost unbelievable. They
say delivery to the US is slow, but since I've waited 37 years for a copy of
this, I can wait a couple of weeks more.
Patrick wrote:
> Frank has a link and pokes some fun at Way Out West:
> http://franklarosa.com/vinyl/Exhibit.jsp?AlbumID=52
IMO, Mae West started out knowing who she was and what she was doing, then
kept the "joke" going a couple of decades too long until the joke was on
her.
Freeman Carmack, Jeff Glenn and Bob Rashkow, thanks for the Tim Gilbert
info. "J. Carter" was indeed the co-writer of both sides of his 45. And the
Tim Buckley comparison is appropriate. Gotta find my Rainy Daze 45!
JJ:
> Re Everly Brothers' "The Ferris Wheel": Great song, but was this the orig
> version made? It´s written by Dwayne & Ronald Blackwell...
As in The Blackwells ("Oh My Love") on Guyden? Agreed - Ferris Wheel is very
nice.
Department of Corrections: "Sea Of Heartbreak" was indeed written by Paul
Hampton and Hal David, according to the record label. Thanks, Mike Edwards,
for catching me on this one.
Sheila:
> The party will be held in the Springtime...
Looking forward to it!!!!
Country Paul
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