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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tico; Motor City and similar US labels
From: Country Paul
2. Re: The Balladeers
From: Bryan
3. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
From: Simon White
4. Spector sessions?
From: Marc
5. The Forum and the Spectropop range
From: Don Lonie"
6. Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman......
From: Bob Hanes
7. Re: Forum / (Les Baxter's) Balladeers
From: Ron
8. Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
From: Leonardo Flores
9. one Kama Sutra answer
From: Tom Taber
10. Motorcity Records / Drum Machines
From: Leonardo Flores
11. Re: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
From: George Leonard
12. Re: Tico notes....
From: George Leonard
13. Re: Spector sessions?
From: Alias
14. Artie Ripp
From: Mike Edwards
15. Charlatans Know
From: Steve Harvey
16. Eddie Rambeau music
From: Michael Edwards
17. Rocky Fellers
From: marshalrd
18. Eddie Rambeau's fan club URL
From: Michael Edwards
19. Re: Motorcity Records
From: Shawn Baldwin
20. Ian Matthews; Lovelites; Grads; Spree
From: Country Paul
21. Re: Charlatans
From: Leonardo Flores
22. Re: Surfer Girl / Four Freshmen
From: Brian Chidester
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:43:29 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Tico; Motor City and similar US labels
Re Mambo Gee Gee - The Story Of George Goldner & Tico Records:
http://www.spectropop.com/tico/index.htm
Minor glitches aside, the complete work (which I've read) is very scholarly
and thorough, and up to the usual Spectropop standard in my opinion.
I think the major connection to this list is obviously George Goldner, the
label's founder. Goldner also founded Rama, Gee, End and Gone, all 50's
powerhouses. Does this mean we're going to embark on a doo-wop and early r&b
discussion? Personally, I'd cheer if we did - there are some astonishingly
great artists on all those labels, many of whom are the roots of Spectropop's
main interest.
The Motor City Records information is fascinating to this American who had
never heard of it before. Was any of their product issued on American
labels? It sounds like something similar to what Ambient Sound and Classic
Artist Recordings (in the 80's and 90's) did for doo-wop era artists - gave
them some new material to record (and older stuff to re-rerecord) and give
them a fresh shot in the market. Only one such song was a major hit: the
Capris' "Morse Code of Love" in '82. But what a record. And the Capris story
itself is fascinating - two major hits, both accidents. The first, "There's
A Moon Out Tonight," died on a small label called Planet; the master was
bought for $50.00 (salvage fee?) by a collector who had fallen in love with
it, and who arranged its re-release on Old Town three years later.
In the Four Freshmen discussion, has anyone heard their beautiful version of
"Old Cape Cod" (mid-60's)? The 45 got some airplay and, I assume, sales in
New England. Sort of Freshman do the Beach Boys doing the Freshmen - and a
treat.
Dan Hughes:
> "Hot Smoke and Sassafras"] ...had a 31-second intro. I loved playing a
> 30-second voice-only PSA over the intro. Start the turntable, hit the cart
> machine, and listen to the nice lady talk right up to the post.
I worked with a guy who talked over the entire 1:45 intro to John
Mellencamp's "I Need A Lover." Every time. Cute. And I didn't know they were
Demian on ABC. How was that album?
Country Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:21:39 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: The Balladeers
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for
> Del-Fi? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine
> sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range, undoubtedly, but they
> did a great job with their adaptation of "Morning Star", a kind
> of spin-off from Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me. They never made a
> dent in the charts, did they. Sad.
Al DeLory, Joe Van Winkle and Fred Darian were Del-Fi's group,
(Van Winkle/Darian co-authored and produced the million-seller
"Please Mr. Custer.") According to my information, their album,
ALIVE-O, had five songs that received airplay, but not enough to
chart (I could be wrong about this, but don't have that information
if they *did* chart). However, the Balladeers never made a personal
appearance or appeared in concert.
"Morning Star"/ "Tom Gets The Last Laugh" Del-Fi 4123 August 1959
"Turtle Dove"/ "Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4127 October 1959
"Hurtin'"/"Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4138 December 1959
"Tom Dooley" Unreleased 1959
"Roll Call Company 'J'"/"Durant Jail" Del-Fi 4138 March 1960
ALIVE-O: "Alive-O!," "Bells Of Laredo," "Callin'," "Cindy," "Hey! Fifi,"
"I'll Wait For You," "Poor Little Turtledove," "Whistling Thru Rome,"
"Morning Star," "Tom Gets The Last Laugh," "Hurtin'," "Durant Jail"
DFLP 1204 - 1959
Bryan
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:21:26 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
This Sunday 16th Febuary 2003 on Soul 24-7 7pm-9pm GMT
http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm
The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW
2 solid hours of 60's,70's but mainly Northern, Soul
This week - - - - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White
I had a request for the playlist from last weekend's [9th Febuary]
Soul 24-7 show:
Look Back Over Your Shoulder - Archie Bell And The Drells
I'm Gonna Love You - The Intrigues
You've got your Mind on Other Things - Beverly Ann
Too Many People - Bobby Goldsboro
Shake Me Wake Me -Detroit Strings
Going Down For The Third Time -Diana Ross and The Supremes
Falling - Gabrielle
Key To Your Heart - The Soul Generation
You Cant Dress Up A Broken Heart - The Loveables
I Cant Change - Yvone Baker
The Shelter Of Your Arms - Bobby Sheen
Fancy Free - Bob And Earl
Hold On To What I've Got - The Ohio Players
Easy Baby - The Adventurers
Need Somebody - Marvin Gaye
Love Having You Around - The Voices Of East Harlem
Don't Want To be A Fool - Luther Vandross
Jack In A Box -David Morris
I Didn't Know What Time It Was - Cathy Carlson
You Got My Heart - George McCrae
No Deposit, No Return -Debbie Taylor
I've Been Blessed -Martha Reeves And The Vandellas
Say Something Sweet To Me - Jeanie Thomas
I'll Never Need More Than This -Ike And Tina turner
Good - Dee Dee Sharp
You Can Count On That - Shirley Matthews And The Big City Girls
Where Is The Love - Glenn Miller
Somethings Worrying Me -Otis Redding
Action Line -Dorothy Ashby
Well Alright ! - Little Richard
Stop Look And Listen - The Chiffons
Better Use Your Head - Marion Ryan
Comin Home Baby - Dee Dee Sharpe
Comin Home Baby - The Soulful Strings
Theme From The Other Side - Hoagy Lands [sic]
Keep An Eye On Love - Ernestine Anderson
Fire Alarm - The Lovetones
True Love At Last - Hoagy Lands
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:31:28 -0500
From: Marc
Subject: Spector sessions?
Hello.
I just (finally) got my hands on the Phil Spector Sessions bootleg CDs -
absolutely, jaw-droppingly wonderful. My question: Is there a Spector
"sessionography" which lists what was recorded when (not necessarily just
for this stuff, but all of his sessions)?
Marc
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:47:16 -0500
From: Don Lonie"
Subject: The Forum and the Spectropop range
Bob Rashkow:
> The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for
> Del-Fi?? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine
> sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range,
I can't get over all this talk about The Forum, a record I happened to
find a couple of years ago and took a chance on. I don't think anyone
has mentioned this yet and I know it's petty but the above comment about
"outside the Spectropop range" inspired this. It's about how they looked.
It's about the picture of them on the back of the record. I'd say they
look a bit outside the spectropop range too, even if there is no such
thing. It's a lounge act. The guy's wearing a tux and looks like a stand-
in for Sandler and Young, if one of them gets sick. The two women are
wearing long dresses - low cut - and have teased-up hair. In the liner
notes, Les Baxter says the guy Phil Campos was a folk singer. Here's some
nice purpleish prose: "With only a guitar accompaniment, he attacked the
audience like a leopard and they loved it. He was gentle and they loved
it - he was brutal and they loved that too". If I was a girl, that would
give me goosebumps. Actually the vaguely S&M metaphor continues throughout
the liner notes. The two women are referred to as "animal trainers" and
one of them Riselle Bain is referred to as "another lady wielding a whip".
Anyway that's for people who will never see the record. This reminds me of
a fascinating discussion a couple of years ago about the relationship
between hair length and sunshine pop. I have to think that The Forum put
away the hairspray and the tuxedos after they took that picture.
Don
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:25:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Hanes
Subject: Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman......
> Surfer Girl written for the 4 Freshman......
.....legend!
The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic
Overdub
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:48:38 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Forum / (Les Baxter's) Balladeers
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> The Forum used to be the Balladeers--the ones that recorded for
> Del-Fi? They were kind of like the Kingston Trio and had a fine
> sound--a bit outside the Spectropop range, undoubtedly, but they
> did a great job with their adaptation of "Morning Star", a kind
> of spin-off from Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me. They never made a
> dent in the charts, did they. Sad.
I'm not sure if the Balladeers on Delfi were the same as Les Baxter's
Balladeers who had an LP on Reprise in 1961. At that time their
membership included Phil Campos of the Forum and Jerry Yester among
others. In 1963 they had several songs on "Jack Linkletter Presents
a Folk Festival" on GNP. By this time David Crosby was a member of
the group.
Ron
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:04:14 -0000
From: Leonardo Flores
Subject: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
Hello all,
I'm hoping some of you can help me out:
Here are 4 records on my Kama Sutra discography that I
cannot find a release or records for: 202,230,233,258.
According to the Tim Neely discography he sent to me
the only one of the original five unreleased 45s I found
is #260: J.C.W. Ratfink - "Hong Kong Flu"/"Silent Black Jack".
I would have to assume that the Nikel Bags had a 45 as they
had a LP on the label. The Charlatans were also supposed to
have a 45 on Kama Sutra; was it assigned a number? The same
with Jimmy Dean and the truly amazing third "lost" Goodtimes
psych 45 "You're Just What I'm Looking For Today"/?
On the LP side, has anybody ever seen the yellow label Outrage
LP? I'm going to have to assume it was never released.
Also inquiring if anybody has seen the Rosie's Boy 45 (KS 263)
"One Way Conversation"/"If You Could See Yourself".
Just don't want to be looking for ghosts.
Cheers
Leonardo Flores
Uplandmod
www.the45club.com
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:59:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: one Kama Sutra answer
A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans 45 "The Shadow
Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an actual release.
While I have the floor, has anyone ever made a list of:
1) Groups that should only be named with "The" in front of their name
[The The, for instance]
2) Groups that are ok either way [i.e. Beatles or the Beatles]
3)Groups that shouldn't have "the" as part of their name [i.e. Cream]???
Tom Taber
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:10:20 -0000
From: Leonardo Flores
Subject: Motorcity Records / Drum Machines
Hello,
I have a Motorcity question: In attempting to recapture Motown-sounding
music, why was the choice made to use a drum machine, or was it more or
less in the spirit of capturing 70's era crossover? I do have the
wonderful Ian Levine produced Doris Jones 45 No Way Out on UA. If Motor
City was supposed to have either sound, it would be great to find some
of those 45's on the label. For anybody not familiar with the label,
the book Too Darn Soulful has some insight on the label. How 'Bout some
top 10 Lists for Motorcity ? Any Cd comps for the label?
Cheers
Leonardo Flores
http://www.the45club.com
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 03 13:13:52 -0800
From: George Leonard
Subject: Re: Kama Sutra Questions Need Kama Sutra Answers
Leonardo:
> I'm hoping some of you can help me out...Just don't want to be looking
> for ghosts.
Dear Leonardo,
I do want to look for ghosts. We were a Kama Sutra group, and it just
struck me that if anybody can tell me what happened to Artie Ripp it
would be Spectropop.
Thanks in advance,
George Leonard
Conception and Choreograpy
Sha Na Na
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 03 13:15:20 -0800
From: George Leonard
Subject: Re: Tico notes....
Country Paul:
> ...Radio Station WEVD is mislabeld as WVED. WEVD is one of the
> oldest sets of call letters in New York, the station having been
> named for Eugene V. Debs, the Socialist Party leader of the 1920's.
Paul, good god!
George
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:46:04 +0100
From: Alias
Subject: Re: Spector sessions?
> I just (finally) got my hands on the Phil Spector Sessions bootleg
> CDs - absolutely, jaw-droppingly wonderful.
Tell us more! What's on it?
/Alias
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:14:14 -0500
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Artie Ripp
George Leonard asks:
> and it just struck me that if anybody can tell me what
> happened to Artie Ripp it would be Spectropop.
Artie Ripp was at Hollywood's Magic Castle on January 18th
picking up an award for services to the bubblegum genre.
He looked well. The organizers are now selling videos of
the event:
http://www.geocities.com/scramarama/magiccastle.html
Artie might be on it and so might I, making it awesome value
for $25. Seriously, Spectropop member and Scram magazine
editor, Kim Cooper (also one of the 01/18 event organizers)
may be able to give you some up to date info on Artie.
Simon Say's Scram's website is at:
http://www.scrammagazine.com/
Mike Edwards (just heading off to Lulu's)
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:36:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Charlatans Know
Tom Taber wrote:
> A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans
> 45 "The Shadow Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an actual
> release.
I got that record back in the 70s in a trade for a
Dylan single with a ps. It is a promo so I don't know
if stock copies made it out, but the djs exist.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:09:40 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Eddie Rambeau music
The following titles are now playing in the music lounge at
Eddie Rambeau's fan club site (go to Files>>Music>>):
· Bob Crewe Generation – Concrete And Clay (LP: Music To Watch
Girls By)
· Dee Dee Sharp – Deep Dark Secret
· Eddie Rambeau – Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely (new
recording)
· Eddie Rambeau – Summertime Guy (wr: Chuck "C.I.A." Barris)
· Marcy Jo & Eddie Rambeau – Lovers' Medley
· Marcy Jo & Eddie Rambeau – Those Golden Oldies
· Tracey Dey – Hangin' On To My Baby
These may be rotated soon so please take the opportunity to
"listen" to them. They are songs either recorded or written by
Eddie. Yes, I know about Bob Crewe but Frank Vidman is trying
to show us how clever he is! Good thing too, because this is
a great track from an LP that is crying out for a Collectors'
Choice CD reissue – if they haven't already done so.
There are a few more items on this fan club site so please take
a look round and add some comments.
Mike Edwards (now looking for that big 45 by Hal Miller on Amy
from 1964. It's the one called "On My Own Two Feet")
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:10:27 -0000
From: marshalrd
Subject: Rocky Fellers
I read an archived message regarding the Rocky Fellers that
noted lil Albert and Eddie are alive and well and working in
the music biz in Hawaii. Just wanted to give an update.
My father-in-law is Tony Maligmat and he too is alive and
well and working in the Carson, Long Beach area of California.
Junior is retired and living in Carson. Dorotao, ("lolo" the
dad, creator and manager of the Rocky Fellers) passed away in
late 1995 or early 1996.
Albert just returned to Hawaii after several successful years
as a band leader in Las Vegas.
The boys are just four of a family of 10 kids. Everyone of the
girls could have pursued a singing career of their own had they
chosen that direction.
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:25:59 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Eddie Rambeau's fan club URL
Sorry, I forgot to add this. It all goes down at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rambeau_fan_club/?yguid=67449765
Mike Edwards
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:49:27 -0600
From: Shawn Baldwin
Subject: Re: Motorcity Records
Leonardo:
> How 'Bout some top 10 Lists for Motorcity?
My Top Ten Motorcity:
1) Mary Wilson - Oooh Child
2) Martha Reeves and The Vandellas - Step Into My Shoes
3) Former Ladies Of The Supremes - My Forever Came Today
4) Martha Reeves and The Vandellas - Angel In Disguise
5) Susaye Greene - Free
6) Brenda Holloway - In My Life
7) The Former Ladies Of The Supremes - Crazy About The Guy
8) The Velvelettes - Needle In A Haystack
9) Mary Wilson - Don't Get Mad Get Even
10)Martha Reeves - Number One
Shawn
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:24:58 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Ian Matthews; Lovelites; Grads; Spree
Had a treat tonight - my sweetie and I cuddled up for
Valentine's Day with some favorite Ian Matthews tracks
of yore. In particular: "Seven Bridges Road" and "Old Man
At The Mill" from "Valley Hi" (Elektra, 1973). Oddly
enough, I also found an album by Steve Young, composer of
"Seven Bridges Road" (the LP is the same title) on Blue
Canyon, BCR 505, 1975, featuring the cream of then-contemporary
session players. Young's version is much more country and
more "lonesome." Matthews' just sparkled! He has recorded an
amazing roster of songs. Usually one or two sound as though
they were rehearsed and groomed to be the leading tracks or
singles, and it's interesting how - at least on this and
"Some Days The Bear Eats You..." - so many of the rest sound
like studio jams; and there's something a bit off on each -
a tempo, a wrong chord, too many folks jamming at once.
Nonetheless, I still think ol' Ian is an overlooked gem.
By the way, there's a website(of course) at
http://www.iainmatthews.com.
(Note the extra "i" in his first name.) The bio shows he's
been fairly busy if not commercially successful.
Now back to our regularly-scheduled era....
Re: The Lovelites Story,
http://www.spectropop.com/lovelites
- what a treat! The song's pretty darn nifty, too. Thank
you, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very much looking forward
to Charlotte O'Hara and Bonnie & The Treasures, particularly
since discovering the deliciously Spectorian Jerry Riopelle
-produced, Gary Zekley/Riopelle-penned "Close Your Eyes"
a couple of years back.
The Grads' "Everything In The Garden" is not immortal but
very nice - I actually discovered it in my collection, but it
must not have registered, as I hadn't played it in years (same
reaction as Mary S.).
David Ponak, I note that you played the Polyphonic Spree
"Hanging Around" from "The Beginning Stages Of." What track is
that? (They're only numbered on my copy.) And again I wonder -
what's the scoop on them? Are they a cult? A religion? A legit
group? A put-on? All of the above? Seeing them live only
confused rather than illuminated the issue.
Country Paul
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:26:43 -0800
From: Leonardo Flores
Subject: Re: Charlatans
Tom Taber:
> A google search revealed K.S. 230 as being The Charlatans
> 45 "The Shadow Knows"/"32-20"; don't know if it had an
> actual release.
Steve Harvey:
> I got that record back in the 70s in a trade for a Dylan
> single with a ps. It is a promo so I don't know if stock
> copies made it out, but the djs exist.
Hello,
Is it a yellow label Kama Sutra? Anyway can you send me a scan
of both sides of that very rare 45?
Thanks!
Leonardo Flores
http://www.the45club.com
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:14:12 EST
From: Brian Chidester
Subject: Re: Surfer Girl / Four Freshmen
Doc Rock wrote:
> Hanging together after a recording session, the Four
> Freshmen asked Brian to write a surfing song for THEM.
> So BW wrote "Surfer Girl." But he reneged and kept it
> for himself.
Was Brian hanging around with the Four Freshmen during the
Candix recording sessions? Because there is a version of
"Surfer Girl" that dates from the pre-Capitol demos. Where
did you get this information from?
BC
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