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Spectropop - Digest Number 851
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Three Blonde Mice - 1964
From: Andres
2. Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
From: Mick Patrick
3. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
From: Billy G Spradlin
4. Re: Cryan Shames, New Colony 6
From: Mike Edwards
5. The one and only Cher
From: John Rausch
6. Re: Buckinghams
From: Dave Swanson
7. Re: Cranking up the speed
From: Billy G Spradlin
8. Re: Ciao Baby
From: Michael Robson
9. RIP Little Eva
From: Phil Chapman
10. Re: Buckinghams - almost forgot!
From: Dave Swanson
11. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Gordian Knot
From: JJ
13. Re: Gordian Knot
From: Scott
14. Re: Warren Schatz
From: Michael Rashkow
15. Re: Shirley
From: Tom Taber
16. Re: Rose Garden
From: Bob Rashkow
17. Re: The one and only Cher
From: James Botticelli
18. Beatles Anthology DVD trouble
From: Richard Hattersley
19. Re: Warren Schatz
From: Bill Reed
20. Re: war songs etc.
From: Alan Gordon
21. Independence for All
From: Bob Rashkow
22. Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
From: Bob Rashkow
23. Re: The Montanas
From: Rob Stride
24. Chicago scene
From: Guy Lawrence
25. Re: RIP Little Eva
From: Stephanie
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:31:18 -0000
From: Andres
Subject: Three Blonde Mice - 1964
I have posted "Ringo Bells" by the Three Blonde Mice to musica.
It's a cute song to dance to before going to bed:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Any info about this trio of peroxide rodents?
Thanks,
Andres
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:07:34 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted by a computer
malfunction........
Seems like the other day
Her baby went away
He went away 'cross the sea
...to Germany?
To find out what the hell I'm talking about, follow the link
below and take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named
Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Mick Patrick
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:49:19 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
One Way blew it with their reissue of Emmitt Rhodes first album
- the track "Lullabye" segues right into "Fresh as a Daisy" on
the original ABC Dunhill LP. On the CD they added a two second
gap. I WISH more remastering engineers and compilers would get
an original copy of the LP/45 before they do any remixing or
remastering for reference.
As for the Cryan Shames I need to dig out my old Columbia LP
and see if those two songs bang right into each other. I can't
remember if they did. I know the segue exists on the "Sugar And
Spice - a Collection" CD from CBS/Legacy.
Another Cryan Shames favorite is the great segue from "Up On
The Roof" to "It Could Be That We're in Love" on the "Scratch
In The Sky" CD - but on the Legacy comp they reversed the songs!
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:08:05 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Cryan Shames, New Colony 6
Kingsley Abbott writes:
> Is the Shames CD on Varese? Still available?
> I really enjoyed them when I got their singles in the
> sixties (they were issued in the UK on CBS), but
> I seemed to have missed the arrival of a CD.
David Coyle writes:
> Sundazed Records has done well in covering the earlier
> garage roots of the New Colony Six, but I think it's
> high time for a comprehensive overview of their later
> harmony-pop output, typified by "I Will Always Think
> About You" and "Things I'd Like To Say," their two
> 1968 hits and the songs they are best remembered for
> outside of Chicago.
Well now, looky here: Amazon.com has taken care of our needs. They
are offering Rhino's "Colonized! The Best Of The New Colony Six" and
Sony's "Cryan Shames – Sugar And Spice – A Collection" for the
combined price of $23.96. The deal is at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000032YY/qid=50011793/sr==1-1/ref==sr_1_1/103-3112512-0769416?v==glance&s==music
Now granted, this is coming from an old Freddy Cannon fan, but these
are two good CDs and, for most of us, will be all we ever need by
these two likeable groups.
After you've bought 'em, enjoy 'em,
Mike Edwards
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:37:36 -0400
From: John Rausch
Subject: The one and only Cher
Hi all
Unfortunately I missed the NBC broadcast of the CHER Final Tour, which
aired tuesday past. Wondering if anyone has recorded it, looking for a
VHS copy. Any help is appreciated, please email me off list jonr@ohio.net
Also wondering if anyone has any comments on her show, or her 40 year
career for that matter.
John Rausch
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:27:53 -0500
From: Dave Swanson
Subject: Re: Buckinghams
The Buckinghams are yet another under appreciated band. Great singles band
for sure, what a run of cool songs. I agree that "Back In Love Again" is
one of their very best. That middle break in "Susan" is corny, but pretty
gone nonetheless. The promo single version of it has that "psychedelic"
part edited out. All their LP's are also well worth checking out. Sundazed
has re-issued all of them in great sound + extras.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:00:20 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Cranking up the speed
Dan Hughes wrote:
> I think I remember hearing the LP version of "Sweet Mary"
> by Wadsworth Mansion and it was ENTIRELY different from the
> 45--about half the speed and totally disappointing.
> Anybody know about that one?
From what I heard Sussex records made the band re-record the song,
because the original 45 was never mixed for true stereo. I guess they
licenced the song from a smaller company and never got a stereo mix.
Another strange thing about "Sweet Mary" is some copies of the 45
fade out and some go to a cold stop.
Billy
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:58:21 +0100
From: Michael Robson
Subject: Re: Ciao Baby
There's two other British versions of "Ciao Baby" - by Nola York on
Philips (BF 1714, 1968) and a previously unreleased version by Long
John Baldry included on the Sequel 2CD compilation, "Let The
Heartaches Begin - The Pye Anthology" (NEECD 298, 1998).
MICHAEL CLUNKIE VINYL JUNKIE
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:19:05 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: RIP Little Eva
Sad to read yesterday of the departure of Loco-Motion legend
and S'pop star, Little Eva.
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1863950
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:31:01 -0500
From: Dave Swanson
Subject: Re: Buckinghams - almost forgot!
Bobster:
> Even tho' my personal favorite of the Buckinghams' hits is
> "Back In Love Again" (coincidentally the last record of
> theirs to chart nationally--super intro!!!) I will Amen
> Mike Edwards re "Kind of a Drag".....
Woah, I almost forgot to mention the real winner -
"This Is How Much I Love You". One of their last singles.
It has some killer fuzz guitar, as well as the usual great
harmonies and horns.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:08:30 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
David Coyle wrote:
> One thing I miss about the original Cryan Shames CD on
> Columbia is that "I Wanna Meet You" immediately
> followed "Ben Franklin's Almanac," meaning the
> extended "freakout" at the end stopped suddenly,
> perfectly seguing into "I Wanna Meet You."
David, funny you caught that! That is one of the things
I wanted Bob Irwin to do on that Cd! One of several
suggestions he accepted for that Cd from me. The idea
actually was something that had happened twice previously
on Shames Lps! First on the "Scratch in the Sky" Lp, I loved
the way "It Could Be We're in Love" followed directly
after "Up on the Roof". Then, in '85 when Backtrack put out
their 8 track greatest hits Lp, they did the same thing with
"Up on the Roof" and "Young Birds Fly". Since we were doing
the Anthology Cd chronologically, the best and most exciting
place for such a thing were "Ben" and "Meet You". I wanted
them really close together, but Bob opted for a little space
in case radio had a problem playing "Meet You" if they were
too close. It still worked well, I thought! I'm glad someone
else liked it! Thanks, David!
By the way, wasn't "Sugar Shack" in 1963, not '66?? Come to
think of it, I believe Dot did re-release it in '66 after
similar success with "Wipe Out" on same label. As for your
previous Chicago groups commentary, I agree with a lot of it.
The New Colony 6 Mercury stuff has been reissued in Japan,
but is now a deleted title costing a fortune. Apparently,
Polygram US is a bear to deal with and thus, no one wants
to touch that stuff these days. I understand your comments
on the group Chicago, but think you are oversimplifying their
product. I think their music was great throughout the 70s.
By the way, you wanna keep that '91 Cryan Shames Cd, since it
has stereo versions of songs that are not stereo on the reissue
Lps in certain cases.
As for Mr. Abbott's question about the "Varese Shames" Cd, you
are confusing two groups here. The Cryan Shames Cds are on
Sundazed and Sony. The American Breed Cd was on Varese. As
far as I know, only the Shames Sundazed Cds are still in print
of these. The others can be found via Ebay often. Also, yes,
love Montanas' "Let's Ride"! For some reason, the Independence
45 "Heaven Help You" (originally an Everly Brothers 45 titled
"The Devil's Child") was not on the great Sequel Cd. It charted
in Omaha up to #31 and I really liked it. Of course, their later
material is not on the cd either. Nor are their great BBC
performances of "Hey Grandma" (Moby Grape), "You've Gotta
Be Loved" or their version of the Chitown classic "Bend Me
Shape Me"! There are one or two early Brit releases that are not
on it either, if I remember correctly. As for Mr. Martin's
assessment of the Montanas' "Ciao Baby" and Lynn Randell's,
I agree. I really like the Montanas' version, but Lynn's is
good too--plus it comes with a groooovy picture sleeve!
Finally, Bobster, you have great taste talking of the
Buckinghams' "Back in Love Again" being great. It truly is!
I have little doubt that the changing times of 1968 led it to
chart destruction, not its lack of greatness. The Buckinghams
had dropped Guercio as producer, but also were getting a little
backlash from some who felt they were what was wrong with pop
music at that point. Too much polish and sunshine and not enough
progressive ideas. Even the Buckinghams themselves were dealing
with such things. Listen to the cool "Portraits" Lp (another
great Sundazed reissue!) and how they could provide progressive
sound and then here would come the great pop piece "Where Did
You Come From" and "It's A Beautiful Day" which could have been
top 10 in 1967! They did it all, and got nothing from it.
Quite a shame.
Hope you guys keep the Chicago comments going. I love it! Any
WLS/WCFL commentary????
Take care all, Clark Besch
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:51:59 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Gordian Knot
Patrick Rands wrote:
> The 1960s Gordian Knot LP is worth picking up... but it
> has never been reissued on CD. If anything for the awesome
> artwork which shows the group tied up with huge pieces of rope!
> I love songs about Merry go rounds and it's got one of those :)
**"Carraway Stream", "Year of the sun" = FAB!
JJ/Sweden
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:06:31 EDT
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Gordian Knot
Patrick Rands:
> It just seems you are not coming from a soft rock
> aficionado perspective which gives your reviews a certain
> pedestrian (read as rock-n-roll) slant. On the Canterbury Music
> Festival review you only seem to like their upbeat songs, a sign
> that you aren't into the more delicate introspective side of soft
> rock/sunshine pop.
I'd beg to disagree. I am a big fan of the genre and if you
poke around some of the other offerings on my website you'd
see that I give some excellent (personal) reviews to LPs such
as The Cuff Links, The Free Design, Graham Gouldman Thing, Lt.
Garcia's Magic Music Box, etc. etc. The comments on my site
reflect my opinions - nothing more. My thoughts were that I
would try to provide an objective opinion to folks who were
willing to spend a decent amount of their hard earned money on
an LP. From a personal perspective, I get tired of reading the
same old dealer hype.
In this case you apparently like an LP that I thought was boring
(Gordian Knot is one of the few LPs I've ever given a single star
to). I'm sure we'd find examples where the opposite was true (I
like it, you don't), as well as case where we both agree on an LP.
> As for the prices, you might be right - especially if the LPs are
> as clean as you claim. I did a search at past ebay auctions and
> the Gordian Knot LP sold for anywhere between $9.99 to $31.00 -
> many of the auctions had multiple bids too.
Prices are subject to endless debate. A price is only as good as
what a person is willing to pay. As for using eBay as a pricing
guide ... well I occasionally buy and sell on eBay and I can't
even begin to explain the mysteries associated with ebay sales
prices. One week something is hot, the next it's not. I've seen
LPs sell for way more than they are worth. I've seen LPs sell for
a fraction of their worth. On ebay it seems to be a mixture of
timing and luck. Again, the key factor is what is a person willing
to pay.
No doubt $350.00 is a lot of money for a record and I can tell you
that I would not pay this much for an LP. That said, in terms of
rarity and condition the Canterbury Music Festival may well be worth
the asking price. It was a sealed copy that has been opened and only
played once to make a CD copy for personal use. Good luck finding
another original, let alone a copy in this shape.
I respect your opinion on pricing and will tell you that I am no
expert. Of course, as a consumer you have the ultimate power to
keep your wallet in your pocket. Even though I've only been selling
records for a couple of months, there seems to be a market for folks
selling quality material at fair prices.
Take care,
Scott
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:47:42 EDT
From: Michael Rashkow
Subject: Re: Warren Schatz
George Ritter writes:
> I noticed your thread and wonder if you might know where
> veteran producer Warren Schatz is working these days. Band
> members of a group (Banchee) he produced 35 years ago are
> looking for him.
I'm sorry, I have no idea. Possibly you could try BMI or ASCAP
or SESAC, they may be able to forward a message.
I have also copied this to someone who may be able to help.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Shirley
Mick Patrick wrote:
> ...take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named
> Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964:
I prefer her remake of the Earls tune - "Verg, Verg,
Verg; Verg-Verg Vergessen"!!!
Tom Taber
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:45 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Rose Garden
Thanks Jeff Glenn for setting me straight on the LP title
of The Rose Garden's song "Till Today" which I had mixed up
with "Here's Today" (their own Atco 45) and had wondered if
it was same as Brian Wilson's "Here Today" (the B-side of
"Darlin"") Whoa--do I need to be any more confused!!! :--{{{
OK, now for some serious eye-rubbing...is it Today or Tomorrow??
Bobster
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:10:19 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: The one and only Cher
John Rausch wrote:
> Unfortunately I missed the NBC broadcast of the CHER Final
> Tour, which aired tuesday past.
I missed it as well, but I DID catch her last Final Tour...
there's always another one around the corner.....
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:24:45 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Beatles Anthology DVD trouble
Hi all,
I just got my Anthology DVDs and they have some troubles.
The audio ranges between slightly out of synch to wildly
out of synch. Also the menus flicker. Anyone else had a copy
with similar faults?
I loved the new mix of "I Am The Walrus" despite.
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 04:04:48 -0000
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Re: Warren Schatz
George Ritter writes:
> I noticed your thread and wonder if you might know where
> veteran producer Warren Schatz is working these days. Band
> members of a group (Banchee) he produced 35 years ago are
> looking for him.
Warren Schatz co-produced, The Real Thing, one of the truly finest
jazz vocal albums, for my friend Nancy Marano and her one-time
partner, Eddie Montero. I know Nancy keeps in touch, even though the
last time she worked with Schatz was in 1988. I will contact her
tomorrow to find out Warrens' current whereabouts.
Bill Reed
www.pinkywinters.com
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:30:46 -0700
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: war songs etc.
Fellow S'popsters:
Has anyone compiled a list of the "War" songs that have been bandied
about these last few weeks? I'd love to have the list.
Also: What about a song list of "Politics As A Bad Thing?" Stuff like
"Won't Get Fooled Again" (I am always surprised when I find out that a
lot of people didn't notice that the band had all just piddled on the
obelisk on the cover of that album).
...or maybe happy stuff like armageddon songs (Eve Of Destruction).
peace,
albabe
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:51:58 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Independence for All
I guess you COULD say there was a "Peoria Sound." The Warner Brothers
mentioned earlier were from there, I have their cute little Destination
label song "Please Mr. (Ed) Sullivan" but they did several others on at
least 2 other labels as well. Third Booth were from that area too,
their "I Need Love" (DYNAMO rocker from summer '68!) made it to LA's
Independence label too. Midwest bands, British bands hoping for more US
exposure--guess you could say that this was truly an "indie" label!
Bobster
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 17:34:46 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: I Wanna Meet You -- Cryan Shames
Clark (Besch not Weber!!!), re Super CFL--as a youngster I was MADLY
in love with the late Barney Pip. Looking back he could get extremely
obnoxious, but so could Lujack, tho I always suspected 89 WLS wasn't
quite as "hip" as Big 10 was. Typically, Barney sent me an autographed
picture of him at the mike, addressed to "Bobbi". (If he'd only known!)
Picked up "Face The Autumn" (The Family on USA) on a hunch at Raffe
Simonian's store on the NW Side last week. Knew it had charted here in
Chicago. And didn't it all come back to me. G R E A T R E C O R D! !
Heard it constantly when The Box Tops and Lulu were fighting for the No.
1 slot in the fall of '67. I remember thinking it was a commercial the
first time I heard it. I thought they were singing something like
"Autos.....Hasty Autos!" or some such gobbledy-gook!! Check out Jeff
Glenn's Lost Juke Box for another presumed Chicago groovy psyke-sound by
a band on Cadet called The Truth: "I Can" b/w "A Day Like Today".....
Bobster
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:53:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Rob Stride
Subject: Re: The Montanas
Thanks to Clark, Norman, David and all the others for the info on the
Montanas. It's nice to know that there are others out there that love
thier stuff, and perhaps weve tempted a few into checking them out.
Thanks Again
Rob
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:42:17 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Chicago scene
A few Chicago related points...
Although they are often derided by garage purists, the American Breed
recorded some wonderful music. One track no one's mentioned so far is
their version of Goffin/King's "The Right To Cry". Nothing like Erma
Franklin's classic version discussed here recently, the Breed play it
a lot straighter - similar to say, the Monkees doing Goffin/King on
"Sometime In The Morning". And while the whole world goes soft pop mad,
it would do well to check out their fourth and final album, "Lonely
Side Of The City". Complete with Roger Nichols and Paul Williams
credits, it's a real case of soft-for-soft's-sake. For me, the pick of
the Buckinghams catalogue is the superb "Time & Charges" album
(available at www.sundazed.com).I'm a recent convert to this album and
can't believe there isn't more fuss about it. James William Guercio was
in full boy genius mode at the time and he dressed up the band's beat
combo sound in the most amazing orchestral arrangements. Nearly every
track begins with a beautiful, poignant melody and Guercio scatters jaw
dropping moments of musical dexterity all over the place. Early Randy
Newman spotters will need Saturdays Children's "Leave That Baby Alone"
and as for the more rocking side of things, surely the Del-Vetts "Last
Time Around" is one of the most thrilling records of all time! Both are
also available at Sundazed, on their "Oh Yeah!" compilation.
Guy
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:40:43 -0000
From: Stephanie
Subject: Re: RIP Little Eva
> Sad to read yesterday of the departure of Loco-Motion
> legend and S'pop star, Little Eva.
> http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1863950
She had been battling cervical cancer...RIP....I love her song
"Turkey Trot" and "Swingin' On A Star" with Big Dee Irwin..
Stephanie
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