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Spectropop - Digest Number 871
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sat, 03 May 2003
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Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: I Wonder
From: John S. Weathers
2. Re: Paul Peek
From: Mike Edwards
3. Tony Hatch and the Undertakers
From: David Coyle
4. Re: The Shadow's Nose
From: Steve Harvey
5. Five Emprees
From: Bob Rashkow
6. Saturday Morning Playlist
From: Simon White
7. Re: Paul Peek's Shadow Knows
From: Tom Taber
8. Re: Lou Stallman
From: Mike Rashkow
9. Re: Linda Laurie
From: Phil Milstein
10. Re: Lou Stallman
From: Phil Milstein
11. The Tokens / Keith
From: Artie Wayne
12. Re: The Shadow
From: Dan Hughes
13. Re: Bert Berns, the Keetch label and Lou Christie
From: Mick Patrick
14. Re: I Wonder
From: Andres
15. Re: Dick Campbell Song
From: Clark Besch
16. Re: The Chicago Sound
From: Clark Besch
17. Re: Emitt Rhodes
From: Clark Besch
18. Re: The Chicago Sound --the Del-Sonics
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: Cousins; The Buckinghams
From: Clark Besch
20. Re: Teenage Opera
From: Clark Besch
21. Re: Many's The Slip...
From: Clark Besch
22. Re: Chicago scene
From: Clark Besch
23. Re: Banned songs
From: Clark Besch
24. Kane & Abel of Chicago
From: Mick Patrick
25. Re: Linda Laurie (part 5)
From: Patrick Rands
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:07:30 -0400
From: John S. Weathers
Subject: Re: I Wonder
Mikey:
> ..."I Wonder", my favorite Ronettes song. How did Spector
> not hear that as a single? My take is it would have gone
> Top 20.
Mikey, I agree on the Ronettes' version of "I Wonder". It ranks
with the best of Spector's work, in my opinion. I am not sure
of the recording date. Perhaps it would have conflicted with
one of their other releases, although as you say, it doesn't
take a back seat to many, if any. "I Wonder" bubbled under @#117
in January of 1965 (Red Bird 016) for the Butterflys. I haven't
heard the Crystals' version.
John
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:13:40 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Paul Peek
Simon writes:
> Paul Peek's Columbia 45, the Northern soul-played "I'm Moving
> Uptown" is, of course, the 'b' side. I notice, however, the
> 'plug side' is 'The Shadow Knows", which I rather like. Can
> someone - one of our American cuzzins perhaps - shed some light
> on it for me? Was it something to do with a TV series?
I would doubt it, Simon. Paul Peek wrote "The Shadow Knows" and
it would be nice to think that someone would have given him the
opportunity to write a TV theme. Alas, those gigs tended to go to
such persons as Mike Post. The song is not the same as Leiber and
Stoller's similarly named title for the Coasters.
Another fine Paul Peek song is "When You Hurt Me I Cry", which was
also recorded by Helen Shapiro on her "Helen In Nashville" album in
1963. It's mellower than the equally good "I'm Moving Uptown". "When
You Hurt Me I Cry" was written by Paul Evans and Fred Tobias, which
leads me into asking do any of our UK cuzzins know anything about the
new Paul Evans CD from UK's Castle Music?
Freddy Cannon has vacated musica so I have replaced his song with
Paul Peek's "When You Hurt Me I Cry". Freddy, of course, can't
complain because he did have a TV tune, "Action" (WB, 1965).
Mike Edwards
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Tony Hatch and the Undertakers
I noticed Hatch mentioned the Undertakers in his
recollections of the Searchers, but he glossed over
them since it was the Searchers he was talking about.
But I would like to hear Hatch's insights on the
Undertakers, since he says they were different from
the Searchers -- what he thought of their music, their
stage presence, whether he thought of writing anything
for them even though they were a rough and tumble R&B
band.
The Undertakers, of course, are known for their image
as top hat and frock wearing hearse drivers, an image
they didn't very much like. They had a fairly unique
sound for a Liverpool group, owing to Jackie Lomax's
tremulous falsetto, which he later refined in his solo
career as an artist on the Beatles' Apple label. Oddly
enough, their last UK single was released as the
Takers, as Pye Records finally thought after a couple
years that the undertaker image might offend. They
went over to the US in 1965, along with the Pete Best
Combo, and made a cache of recordings that were only
released a few years ago on Big Beat. Their last ever
single was for a small indie lable called Black Watch.
Interesting group, even though they weren't
particularly "Spectropoppish."
David
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Shadow's Nose
Simon, The Shadow Knows was a musical tribute to the old
time radio drama, The Shadow. He could read the minds
of men! Anyway, I think the original version was done
by the Coasters (I'm sure some 'Popper out there will
correct me). Lots of people did it. I have a version
by The Charlatans, the first San Fran pysch rockers
(actually more like folk-rock). Paul Peek was involved
with Esquerita too.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:35:03 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Five Emprees
Country Paul had asked about The 5 Emprees who managed to get their supercool
dance song "Little Miss Sad" on the Billboard charts (#74) about a year after
the Addrisi Brothers, doing some of their best stuff ever IMHO, failed to
chart with their own-penned tune. All I know is what Mister Whitburn has to
tell us: they were from Benton Harbor MI, which explains the high popularity
of the record in Chicagoland. Don Cook was their lead singer, harmonies on
LMS most likely provided by one or two of the other musicians. I was only 9
and I remember the record vividly from airplay, if I have to guess they were
much in demand for parties and club gigs. As far as I know the group never
had another single released, nor do I know anything about the Freeport label
which presumably was out of somewhere in SW Michigan. Probably
recordmaster.com will indicate if any more 45s are available.
Bobster
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:02:21 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Saturday Morning Playlist
Number 369 in an occasional series.
Memories Are Made Of This - Little Richard - Vee Jay
Who Would Deny Me - Ed Townsend - MGM
Lost and Found - Vic Damone - Warner Bros
Last Tango In Paris -Willie Mitchell - London U.K.
Without Her - Preston Guild - Guild
An Occasional Man - Marion Ryan - Columbia U.K.
If You Wait For Love - Bobby Goldsboro - Liberty u.K.
Sweet Sweet Love - Bobby Sheen - Warner Bros
More Today Than Yesterday - Sam Fletcher -
Action Line - Dorothy Ashby - Cadet
Stranger In Paradise - The Supremes - Motown
Get Out - Shirley Ellis - Congress
Blue Tango - The Four Score Pianos - Ranwood L.P.
Til The End Of Time - Ketty Lester - Tower L.P.
A King For Tonight - Billy Fury - Decca
I'm Gonna Cry Some Tears - Hoagy Lands - ABC
I Won't Give Him Up - Dora Hall - Calamo
Tiger Shake - Miss L.L. Louise Lewis Three Kings and a Queen - Skyway
When I'm Walking [Let Me Walk ] - Fats Domino - HMV U.K.
The Fly - Brendon Bower with The Royal Showband Waterford
Hot Spot - The Bronzettes - Parkway
The Weekend's Here - Chubby Checker - Cameo Parkway U.K.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:45:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Paul Peek's Shadow Knows
Simon White wrote:
> ...I notice, however, the 'plug side' is 'The Shadow Knows", which I
> rather like. Can someone - one of our American cuzzins perhaps -
> shed some light on it for me? Was it something to do with a TV series?
If it's the Coasters' song, it's referring to an American Radio serial
of the 40s - something near and dear to the hearts of both Leiber and
Stoller. Not nearly as successful as their other serial based "Searchin'"
Tom Taber
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:45:08 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Lou Stallman
Mick Patrick:
> Tell us more about Lou. Was he of the "old school" (a la Ben
> Raleigh, Hal David, etc) or a younger generation songsmith? I
> know he also wrote Perry Como's 1956 #1 "Round And Round" and
> Clyde McPhatter's "Treasure Of Love". Did you and he work together
> on anything?
I think Lou was in his late 30's early 40's when I was 25 or 30, so
I guess he was between generations. I only worked with Lou once. As
engineer on a little film score he did for an industrial film -- kind
of head arrangements with a small group of musicians. I spent some
time with him, knew him kind of tangentially, went to a party at his
apt., but never became close or worked with him creatively.
He had a very unusual characteristic for someone who was a really
nice, gentle person. He had the most foul mouth you have ever heard
in your life--non-stop obscenities. He told me that his "therapist"
said he should not try to control it --- just let it go. And he did,
full time, full bore.
The last two you mentioned, Round And Round and Treasure Of Love,
were co-written with a guy (possbibly Sid Jacobsen or something like
that) who only wrote as a sideline. He was a career schoolteacher.
Lou was always positive, always had a smile. Nice vibes.
That's what I remember anyway. Last time I saw him he was waiting
for a bus on 57th St. with his guitar case in hand.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:16:03 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Linda Laurie
I happened to have a nice 8x10 promo shot of Linda Laurie lying around,
so I added it to the growing collection at
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst
Although there's no effective way for me to share this with everyone,
I also recently acquired a videotape of the old game show To Tell The
Truth (or perhaps it was its near-twin What's My Line or I've Got A
Secret; memory fails), in which the "mystery guest" is the lovely Miss
Laurie. Three women all pose as Linda Laurie, and the panel of four
near-celebrities must ask yes/no questions of them to determine which of
the three is the real Linda. The appearance was timed to promote Ambrose.
She was still in high school at the time, and demonstrated how she
conjured the voice of not only the girl but Ambrose himself, without
studio trickery.
I also have a note here that says she sang the theme song to the Krofft
Bros. show Land Of The Lost. The lady she did get around.
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:18:28 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Lou Stallman
Mike Rashkow wrote:
> (Lou Stallman) had a very unusual characteristic for someone who was
> a really nice, gentle person. He had the most foul mouth you have ever
> heard in your life--non-stop obscenities. He told me that his
> "therapist" said he should not try to control it --- just let it go.
> And he did, full time, full bore.
Sounds like a Tourette's case to me.
--Sigmund Milstein
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: The Tokens / Keith
Mike.....How ya' doin'? The Tokens didn't sing on "Ain't gonna' lie"
.....but I arranged for them to sing for my friend producer Jerry
Ross on "98.6" [on which I sang the high harmony part] and 3 more
songs for Keith which I co-wrote with Jerry - "The Teeny Bopper Song",
"Candy, Candy" and "I Can't Go Wrong".
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:06:22 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: The Shadow
Steve sez:
>... The Shadow. He could read the minds of men!
and then Simon sez:
>... it's referring to an American Radio serial of the 40s
Hmmm. Wrong on both counts. The Shadow couldn't read minds. Rather,
he "had the power to cloud men's minds". Which meant that he became
invisible by blanking out whatever mental synapses were used to see
him. You knew when he had gone invisible because his voice took on
an echo.
And it wasn't a serial. Every half-hour episode was a complete story.
A friend of mine saw a live performance of an episode of the Shadow
when she was about eight. (Her father was the conductor of Kate
Smith's orchestra). She told me she was really excited, because she
wanted to see the Shadow disappear. "But all he did was walk inside
this phone booth and his voice changed!" (The sound booth had the
echo mike in it). Broke a little girl's heart.
---Dan, who works with the lady whose father-in-law painted many a
cover for The Shadow magazine back in the 30's and 40's....
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:37:14 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bert Berns, the Keetch label and Lou Christie
From Brett Berns:
> The four Keetch records that I'm aware of are:
> 6000 The Pussycats Mickey Mouse Club March
> 6001 Linda Laurie Jose He Say/Chico
> 6002 The Mustangs Baby Let Me Take You Home/Davie Was A Bad Boy
> 6003 The Pussycats You May Be Holding My Baby/Come On And Ska
>
> ("YMBHMB") was co-written by a very close friend to my father -
> the legendary Paul Colby of The Bitter End in NYC, and that it was
> covered in 1966 by Lou Christie on Roulette...it remains one of my
> all-time favorite songs written and produced by Bert Berns.
Hello Brett, very good to have you with us. Thanks for the gen on the
Keetch label. Here's a few bits of extra info.
The other side of Keetch 6000 is "Anniversary Of Love".
In May 1964, the Mustangs recorded three further tracks; "Sweet To
Me", "I Remember" and "Everything Is All Right". Were these tracks
ever released?
Lou Christie recorded his version of "You May Be Holding My Baby" on
January 8th 1964 with Bert Berns and Nick Cenci producing. Backing
vocals were supplied by not only the Tammys but also Ellie Greenwich.
The Pussycats' version was recorded on Feb 28th, making Christie's
the original.
Who are the present owners of the Keetch label? At the time, it was
distributed by Atlantic, but does that company retain ownership still?
Some years ago it was announced that a biography of Bert Berns was
to be published. What happened to that project?
Mick Patrick
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:36:32 -0000
From: Andres
Subject: Re: I Wonder
Mikey:
> ..."I Wonder", my favorite Ronettes song. How did Spector
> not hear that as a single? My take is it would have gone
> Top 20.
Actually any song by Spector was worth releasing as a single.
Just recently I was listening to The Screw. Even this 'song' is
pretty good (especially The Crystals female background vocals,
really good!)
Andres
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:39:06 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Dick Campbell Song
Gary Campbell wrote:
> I posted a Dick Campbell mp3 to musica called "She's My Girl."
Hi Gary, Hope you're still reading Spectropop. I am surprised no one
has commented on your postings. My friend, Doug, and I have talked
about you being on here. I enjoyed "She's My Girl" and would enjoy
more postings of Dick's early works. Altho I do not have his Mercury
Lp, I do have the pic sleeve 45. Also, one of the Mercury Lp tunes
Dick wrote became Chicago's Exceptions' only Mercury "A" side, "Ask
me if i Care". The Exceptions boasted Pete Cetera, Kal David, Billy
Herman, Marty Grebb and James Vincent over the short span they were
around. Most of these appeared on the Campbell album too as well as
other stars. Doug filled me in on all that, but cannot remember who
all was on it. Quite a tribute for your dad's talents! I guess the
answers to above matters are mentioned below.
Anyway, Gary, in case you did not know, England's label Cherry Red
is reissuing the Dick Campbell album on Cd! Thanks to Harry Young
for letting me in on this! Check their website for more:
http://www.cherryred.co.uk
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:21:48 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Chicago Sound
David Coyle wrote:
> I didn't keep my copy of the original Columbia CD of the Cryan
> Shames, although I realized that the Sundazed CDs would be comprised
> of the original 45 mixes of the songs that were remixed for the 1991
> CD. Seems a lot of '60s reissues from those years went for the
> "first-time stereo remixes," not anticipating the whole "mono vs.
> stereo" debates that have flared up with the progressing years.
Certainly, the mono/stereo debate is a tough subject. I love it when
we get a new stereo track of original mono, as was the case with the
Shames 1991 Cd. Since then, it seems original mono has become
a "cool" thing--especially with garage rock. Thus, Rhino's "Nuggets"
series with mostly mono when many could have been in stereo. Also,
on the new Cryan Shames Cd reissues, you'll find the 45 mixes in mono
of the bonus cuts. I prefer stereo if it still has the same punch as
the 45.
> On the other hand, I found I just had to have the Sundazed reissues
> because the liner notes for the Columbia CD really piqued my interest,
> describing a lot of fantastic songs that weren't ON it.
Hey, I'll take the compliment anytime! Thanks!
> Re the Buckinghams, I haven't really gotten into "Time And Charges"
> as much as I have the other albums, given its experimental nature.
> The obvious hits are a given, of course. I love the raw faux-British
> sound of the first album, and many of their finest moments near the
> end of their heyday are on the "In One Ear And Gone Tomorrow" LP. I
> just can't get into "Time And Charges," but I'm trying.
I have to agree that all segments of the Buckinghams music was
great! Loved the USA album, but much of the other albums are great
and do show they grew like the Shames over a short period. A good
comparison is "I've Been Wrong" with "We Just Know & Reprise". It's
like jumping from "I Want to Hold Your Hand" to "I Am The Walrus"
with the Beatles.
> I had Sundazed's "At The River's Edge" compilation of their early
> Sentar recordings, in which the writer of the liner notes pretty much
> trashed anything that the New Colony Six did after 1966. But ignoring
> those 1968 hits for the sake of garage-punk aesthetics would be akin
> to ignoring anything Roy Orbison did after he left Sun Records.
I agree that there was a disservice done to the NC6 in the liner
notes on Sundazed's Cds when they ripped the Mercury years, but the
writer, Jeff Jarema is a friend and he just spoke what he felt. I
just wish he'd left that part out.
> Another Chi-group that we've been talking about is the American Breed.
> I really enjoy the Varese CD, and it led me to work my way up to their
> entire LP output and a couple of Acta 45s. In fact, I had one of their
> 45s, "Green Light" b/w "Don't It Make You Cry," even before I got
> their CD. That and hearing "Step Out Of Your Mind" on some oldies
> radio show cinched it for me. Still I didn't get their CD until I got
> the first Dunwich Records compilation on Sundazed. So it was fun to
> then hear the songs which were appropriated for their jingles for
> Coca-Cola ("Cool It") and Partridge Meats ("Ready Willing And Able").
> Certainly a "commercial" group!
I am happy that the American Breed are getting some nice comments. I
thought most of their work was very powerful and fun to listen to.
Very energetic.
> Of course, thanks to "Oh Yeah" and "If You're Ready," I got into
> Saturday's Children, the Del-Vetts, Sounds Unlimited (did they really
> try out for the Monkees?), the Warner Brothers ("Dirty Ernie" and
> "Oleo Margarine" are wigged-out garage classics), the Banshees
> ("Project Blue" made it to a "headache mix" tape I did once), and the
> Knaves, and further piqued my curiosity about the Shadows Of Knight.
I just wish there were more Cellar tapes like the Sundazed' Shadows
of Knight Cd gave us. All of the Dunwich groups played there and
most were recorded supposedly. Where are those tapes, Mr. Sampson?
> Re Clark's question about my screen name: Yes, "Sugar Shack" by Jimmy
> Gilmer and the Fireballs came out in 1963, but I took my username
> from a teen nightclub called the Sugar Shack that opened in my
> hometown in 1966. The number also doesn't reference by birth year. I
> actually was born several years after many of the groups I now listen
> to broke up!
Hey, BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! You gotta good ear!
> P.S. Clark, are you or were you a deejay for WLS? I've always been
> fascinated by WLS, not for '60s rock, but for the fact that it was
> the station of reporter Herb Morrison, who did the famous recording
> of the "Hindenburg" disaster in 1937. Of course, it was also the home
> of the National Barn Dance, which actually predated the Grand Ole Opry,
> did it not?
I was never a DJ at WLS, but in 60's it was my lifetime dream! By
the time I was on the Nebraska U college station, it was 1974 and
disco was hitting and it just wasn't the same anymore. The seventies
were not the sixties (understatement)! I have the old "Hindenberg"
tape too and thought it cool it was WLS! "Oh the Humanity!"
Take care, Clark
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:27:44 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes
David Parkinson wrote:
> And all of the Rhodes albums are now available on CD!! It's sad
> that he is still so alienated from the music business, but anyone
> who knows that story will understand. (ably summarized at
> http://users2.ev1.net/~kryan73/emitt/emittstory.html)
I agree, it'd be great to get some of the demos that were listed as a
possible Cd in the early days of his website. It is no longer
mentioned. It would be great to get "Mirror" on Cd, but can't see
paying $25 for "Farewell to Paradise". I also wonder about his later
recordings yet unreleased. His song recorded in 1981 that got on the
Varese "Listen, Listen" Cd sounded more like Gino Vanelli than Emitt
Rhodes. Emitt don't come back unless you give us the Beatlesque pop
we heard in 71.
Clark
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:29:37 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Chicago Sound --the Del-Sonics
Nick Archer wrote:
> Does anyone know of a Chicago group called the Del-Sonics?
> One of the group members, Gerry Barber, lives here in Nashville.
> About ten years ago, he brought over some 4 track masters to
> listen to on my old Ampex machine. We did some mixdowns, but
> with no reference masters I have no idea if they match the
> originals. The sound did fit right in with other Chicago groups,
> though. I could play a cut to musica if anyone's interested.
Nick, I've never heard of the Del-Sonics, but would love to hear
some stuff on Musica!
Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:40:35 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Cousins; The Buckinghams
Justin McDevitt wrote:
> I believe that the correct lyrics to the Patty Duke show
> theme song are: "but they're cousins, identical cousins and
> you'll find, they laugh alike, they walk alike and sometimes
> even talk alike, you can loose your mind, when cousins are
> two of a kind".
What a great song that was growing up hearing every week! Great show
too! I remember Patty calling her dad "Pop-O" as sounding really
hip!
> I have really enjoyed the Chicago sound discussions. Not much
> to add, though whenever I hear "Back In Love Again", ( a song
> that packs a lot of wonderful up-tempo punch into its 2-min 20
> or so seconds, I always feel a little wistful, a little sad.
> This was the last real chart hit for the Buckinghams. This was
> such a great song and at the time it was being played on the radio,
> I hoped that they would continue to chart, at least for a while
> longer. Also, let's face it, 1968 wasn't a great year, what with
> the assassinations of Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy, the Chicago riots
> at the Democratic national convention and Richard Daly's abhorrent
> treatment of many of the protesters, the capture of the Pueblo
> by North Korea, the brief taste of freedom by Czech citizens and
> their subsequent put-down by the Soviet Union etc. "Back In Love
. Again" was truly a bright light during the summer of that year.
I agree that "Back in Love Again" was a great record. I figured most
had forgotten it, but apparently not. However, 1968 was a great year
for music in my opinion. My fave years in order would be 1. 67, 02 .
66, 03 .68, 04 . 65, 05 . 64, 06 . 69. As for the reply that 1968 summer was
for easy listening, how bout the earlier mentioned Third Booth "I
Need Love"???
Take care, Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:46:33 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Teenage Opera
Ken Silverwood wrote:
> I think there are some "marmalade labels" in there, no criticism
> intended but was this a case as in Alice Cooper's "School's Out" of
> "we can't even think of a word that rhymes". (Thinks) Do they have
> marmalade in USA? Well the Beatles used it "tangerine trees with
> marmalade skies" so it's not uncommon. Bet the Lemon Pipers used it
> as well!
At the risk of being laughed outta here, I thought "Jelly Jungle" one
of the great 45s of 1968. Also, I thought "Teenage Opera" was a great
song in 67. Thanks to WLS British Billboard for letting me hear the
latter, or I would never have heard even an "excerpt"!! ;)
Take care, Clark
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:57:29 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Many's The Slip...
gabrielle 233 wrote:
> I was a member of the group named "The Present" that recorded
> "Many's The Slip...". It WAS a hit in Florida and also in England
> as I'm told. About two years ago, someone had posted a message on
> Spectro talking about the use of a "rock and roll" harp. I played
> the organ, and sang backup. The studio, during production, added
> the harp. That song was actually recorded with the entire band
> playing together in real time but the voices were tracked. Tony
> Powers (who wrote "98.6") wrote this song with George Fischoff at
> Columbia. What a blast it was actually making a record in New York!
I always wanted to hear this record. Can you post to Musica?? I
have a radio chart from summer 67 with it at #1 I think on WIBM in
Illinois or Indiana, I think.
Thanks, Clark
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:06:49 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Chicago scene
Guy Lawrence wrote:
> A couple more Chicago points... I'm afraid I've always thought
> that "I Call My Baby STP" was a really weak follow up to "Last
> Time Around". The subject matter was a couple of years out of
> date and structurally the song is a bit of a mess. Don't get me
> wrong, I could listen to hot rod songs all day, I just think the
> Del-vettshad something stronger in them. Obviously Clark and
> Bob would disagree - I wish I shared their appreciation - it's
> the only Del-vetts 45 I actually own! There is actually a pretty
> decent Del-vetts website at:
> http://members.aol.com/delvett/welcomepage.index.html
> Did any of you Chicago experts ever catch the group live?
I agree that the Del-Vetts website is cool. Ernie has some good
pics of them in concert in the heydeys. I loved "STP" and "Last Time
Around". I think "STP" was a more commercial sounding song, even tho
it didn't sell better.
> I would strongly recommend American Breed fans to search out
> the soundtrack to the Rod Steiger/Lee Remick movie "No Way To
> Treat A Lady" (Dot '68) as it contains the Breed singing "A
> Quiet Place". This track, which didn't appear on any of their
> LPs is, for me, the best of all their "soft" stuff - a really
> beautiful piece of music. As far as I know the album has never
> been reissued.
Yes, "A Quiet Place" is one of their better ballad numbers. Too bad
the movie only featured about 10 seconds of the song. The Breed also
did the theme for the movie "The Brain" a year later. It is pretty
cool too, more their normal sound. Altho I thought both could have
been put on their Varese hits package, eventually, Cary and I agreed
to leave them off for earlier things. "You can't always get what you
want".
Clark
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:28:43 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Banned songs
Previously;
> But it gets weirder: according to the Sun, US megalithic
> multi-station owner Clear Channel not only banned anti-war
> songs, but even cleared its playlist of people who died in
> plane crashes (!), like Rick Nelson and Buddy Holly, and even
> restricted the Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian"! (Golly, Mr.
> Channel, thank you for protecting my sensitive ears! :-( )
>
> The story about Clear Channel banning songs isn't true as the
> article at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/radio.htm explains.
In a somewhat related way, there is a website that is good for banned
music at http://ericnuzum.com/banned/ another site of interest is the
archive of misheard lyrics at: http://www.kissthisguy.com The website
title comes from Hendrix' "scuse me while I kiss the sky" being
misheard.
Take care, Clark
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:30:24 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Kane & Abel of Chicago
I'm hoping there is a Chicago expert out there who can assist
me in fathoming the true identities of Kane & Abel, a pair of
splendid Righteous Brothers wannabes from the Red Bird label.
I have at my side a small pile of nice 45s that might help:
Red Bird 10-059, 1965 - Kane & Abel
A: He Will Break Your Heart - Written by Holvay & Peterson.
Arranged by Holvay & Beisbier. A Defrancesco Production.
B: The Twist Is Back - Written, arranged and produced by F &
J DeFrancesco.
Destination 607, 1965 - Kane & Abel
A: Break Down And Cry - Written by Jimmy Holvay. Arranged by
Holvay & Biesbier. A Holvay-Beisbier-DeFrancesco Production.
B: The Twist Is Back - Written, arranged and produced by F &
J DeFrancesco.
Constellation 156, 1965 - Mike & Michael
A: My Neighbourhood - Written by DeFrancesco & Holvay.
Arranged & conducted by Holvay & Beisbier. Produced by J.
DeFrancesco.B: Where Have You Been - Written by Barry Mann &
Cynthia Weil. Arranged & conducted by F.T.P. Produced by
DeFrancesco & Holvay.
"He Will Break Your Heart" and "Break Down And Cry", although
different songs, share the very same backing track.
Red Bird 10-059 B and Destination 607 B are exactly the same.
Gary Beisbier and Jimmy Holvay - both later in Chicago group
the Mob - wrote several hits for classic Windy City outfit
the Buckinghams.
The Holvay/DeFrancesco/Beisbier team were also responsible for
Ral Donner's great Red Bird 45 "It Will Only Make Me love You
More". I believe one or more of them might have been members
of Donner's backing group.
So where was I? Oh yeah, who were Kane & Abel?
Mick Patrick
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:56:33 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: Linda Laurie (part 5)
Brian Ferrari wrote:
> None of her singles are available on CD except "Stay At Home Sue",
> which is my least favorite track that she recorded.
I just wanted to throw my two-cents in - Ambrose (Part Five) has
come out on cd - on the excellent Hey! Look What I found series -
Volume 3. This series is quite akin to the magic of Spectropop, well
worth checking out. Here's a site which lists the tracklistings for
Vols 1 through 9. Take a look at the tracklistings - and if anyone
has thoughts about some of these songs I sure would love to hear
them:
http://www.powerweb.net/meanmountainmusic/shop/heylook.htm
(don't know anything about this site)
FYI: if you live in the Boston area and use the library network Vols
1 through 6 are available so get to your nearest Minuteman local
library and reserve them! While you're at it, do yourself a favor
and take out some Bear Family boxsets too! Somebody at the Waltham
library has done us a huge favor by having a bunch of them - if you
have never heard Hank Snow before, how about a 12 cd box set for
starters??
:Patrick
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