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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Jingles and commercials
From: Guy Lawrence
2. Re: Steve Kipner and Steve Groves
From: Peter Rechter
3. The Peanut Butter Conspiracy Is (Still) Spreading
From: Jason Penick
4. PMS pressings
From: Billy G. Spradlin
5. Re: The Critters
From: Billy G. Spradlin
6. More info about Brian Wilson's 'Smile' tour
From: Neb Rodgers
7. Dance With The Guitar Man
From: Justin McDevitt
8. Geator with the Heator, the Big Boss with the Hot Sauce
From: Justin McDevitt
9. Re: Mickie Most
From: Frank
10. Brian Wilson not in NJ; Nino & April; pix; Geator; Rinky Dink
From: Country Paul
11. Name that Artist !!!
From: Music Chef
12. There's Gonna Be A Storm
From: David Goodwin
13. Jack Nitzsche update
From: Martin Roberts
14. Linda Laurie
From: Steven
15. Alternate Eva redux
From: David A. Young
16. Bassic chord progressions.
From: Steve Harvey
17. On The Flip Side
From: David Ponak
18. The Robbs
From: Patrick Rands
19. Re: The Critters
From: David Coyle
20. Alternate Coasters
From: David Coyle
21. The Chanter Sisters/The Other Two
From: Ian Chapman
22. Re: PMS pressings
From: James Botticelli
23. Re: Jack Nitzsche update
From: Phil Milstein
24. Re: The Other Two
From: Richard Havers
25. "Diane Renay And Friends" show is archived
From: Ronnie Allen
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:30:41 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Jingles and commercials
All this talk of commercials reminded me of an odd 45 that
I bought a few years ago: The Lively Set - "There's Nothing
Like Coffee" (Burland/Balk/Brookfield) Straight Ahead Records
SB102066. Pr. Sascha Burland, arr. Billy Mure.
The flip is an instrumental of the same track credited to
Jack & The Beans. I'd say it's from about '66 or '67 and is
obviously some kind of commercial tie-in. It's an extremely
bright and breezy harmony number and comes in a picture sleeve
showing a preppy looking boy/girl group. Anyone know anything
about this 45? Was this an ad at the time?
Guy
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:03:28 +0000
From: Peter Rechter
Subject: Re: Steve Kipner and Steve Groves
Mark Frumento wrote:
>Does anyone know the history of Tin Tin in the early 70s? I have a
>single called "I'm Afraid" which doesn't have writing credits from
>either Steve. Pete Beckett is the writer and producer. It sounds like
>Tin Tin but I'm wondering if either Steve was still in the group and
>who Pete Beckett is?
Hello Mark,
I can't answer your questions on Tin Tin, or the single "I'm Afraid",
but I did work with Steve Kipner for a very brief period in the early
70s. I was a signed writer to Image Music here in Melbourne, we
were recording a number of demos at "Crystal Clear" studios in South
Melbourne and Steve played guitar on 4 of my songs. I still have copies
of the tracks & maybe one day we will put them on our web site!
All the best from Oz,
Peter.
http://www.secretdeals.com.au
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:05:21 -0000
From: Jason Penick
Subject: The Peanut Butter Conspiracy Is (Still) Spreading
I just wanted to take the opportunity to invite all fans of
the great L.A. band the Peanut Butter Conspiracy to check
out my new website for them. I was inspired to create this
site because so little information is currently available
about this group via the internet. If you dig this band,
please stop by and don't forget to check out the message board
too!
Thanks... Jason Penick
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jason.penick/pbc/pbc_home.html
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:09:30 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: PMS pressings
Country Paul wrote:
> Also worth noting about Philips/Mercury/Smash albums c.
> '65-'68 is that they often used the exact same pressing -
> the stereo pressing - and sold them in different mono &
> stereo sleeves! (At least this was true for the DJ copies
> we got.)
My only guess is that if a mono plate wore out they'd just
use the stereo plate instead to save cash. Nobody's gonna notice
and if they did they got a bonus. I have a mono copy of the
Walker Brothers first LP on Smash - and the second side is in
stereo - no mentioning of stereo on the label.
I remember reading on a classical music record collectors site
that when Mercury was bought out by Phonogram (Dutch Philips and
German Polydor) in the early 60s, the quality of LP pressings
started going downhill (using cheaper vinyl) since Phonogram
shelled out a lot of cash to buy a company in the USA to release
product here.
Phonogram tried to establish a distribution deal with (I think)
Capitol but that fell through because of a conflict with parent
EMI. So they bought Mercury/Smash instead and started the conglom-
eration of many companies that became Polygram and later merged
with MCA to become Universal Music.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:24:46 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Critters
Taragon Records put together a excellent single disc anthology
of the Kapp era materal on the Critters. But it's been out of
print here in the USA for a couple years. Phantom Records in
Japan has re-issued the "Younger Girl" CD with 8 bonus tracks.
$33.49 from Amazon.
I haven't heard any of the Project 3 material except for an
excellent single called "Lisa, But Not The Same" that I heard
on Jeffery Glenn's Wes Farrell/Tony Romeo compilation. Just as
great as any of the Kapp singles, and if anyone wants to hear
it I'll play it to musica.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neb Rodgers
Subject: More info about Brian Wilson's 'Smile' tour
Here's an exchange of messages posted at the official Brian
Wilson site about the upcoming 'Smile' tour. The first one
is from a fan, and the second one is from Brian himself!
-Neb
---Original Messages Follow---
Hey Brian -
Can you give us Americans any hope for a Smile tour after
Britain yet?
---------------------------------------
Rick -
(posted by Brian Wilson on May 31, 2003)
I think the plan for America is to do maybe three or four shows
in the major cities.........I know we have plans for Los Angeles,
and the rest is yet to be determined.
L&M Brian
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http://www.brianwilson.com/messages/Message_Board/message_board.html
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:19:32 -0700
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Dance With The Guitar Man
Hello Spectropop friends,
In early 1963, a song was played on my local favorite radio
station that has been mentioned, along with some other tunes
recorded by the same girl group. The song I am referring to is
"Dance With The Guitar Man," recorded with Duane Eddy. This
group also recorded "Surfin' Hootennany," which I believe was
the followup, if my memory serves me correctly.
Are these tracks included on a Girl Group comp, or record label
comp, or a Duane Eddy box set?
It would be great to have these questions answered.
Justin McDevitt
P.S. A wonderful springtime here in the upper midwest.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:00:05 -0700
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Geator with the Heator, the Big Boss with the Hot Sauce
Good Fella wrote:
> I spent last night at Memories Nite Club in Ventnor NJ, just
> a 10 minute ride from Atlantic City NJ. Owner and DJed by
> Jerry Blavat, better know as the "Geator with the Heator,
> the Big Boss with the Hot Sauce.
How fine it is to see the Geator's name mentioned on Spectropop,
a man who has left his indelible musical mark on rock 'n roll
as listened to by natives of the Philadelphia, South Jersey area
and those of us who have spent a fair amount of time in this
region.
So many folks thought he was a black DJ. Hands down, Jerry Blavat
was and still is the fast-talkinest, white DJ that I ever heard,
even faster than that 60s DJ in Toronto, Mickey (can't think of
his last name).
The Geator put out a patter when he spun a platter. I miss hearing
his voice. Next time I'm in South Jersey, I'll have to visit this
club.
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:20:25 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Mickie Most
I had the luck to work several times with Mickie when he came
over to France to record some of his acts in a castle near
Paris. He had a vision of the music he liked which was at the
same time clear and fascinating. I remember him telling me
about his clear cut policy about Donovan's releases. Let him
do all his non-commercial stuff on his LPs but always fight for
a very commercial single track. And did it work !
A great guy with an uncanny sense of what was popular.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:46:51 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Brian Wilson not in NJ; Nino & April; pix; Geator; Rinky Dink
Dave Mirich:
> ...The Brian Wilson NJ gig just got cancelled due to lack
> of ticket sales
Andrew Hickey:
> the Brian Wilson thing amazes me - I'm absolutely flabber-
> gasted. This is a man who should be selling out any venue
> he plays the day tickets go on sale...
Glad I got NYC tix. I'm frankly rather surprised too - but the
prices *were* indeed quite highly cranked for both shows. Plus...
Stuart Miller:
> I think we're forgetting our history. The Beach Boys were
> never that strong in the New Jersey area in the first place.
> And for that matter The Beatles weren't either as compared
> to other states. This was the very heartland of 4 Seasons
> blue collar support and as far as most Jerseyites were
> concerned, those blue eyed wonders from the west coast could
> shove their surfboards in the one place where the blessed
> sun didn't shine.
As a proud but recent (early '90s) New Jerseyan, here's a
reminder that Brian Wilson sold out the PNC Arts Center in
2000 for the Pet Sounds tour, and again had a full house for
the dual tour with Paul Simon in 2001. NJPAC is an unusual
place to host a concert like Brian Wilson - it is essentially
a classical and fine arts hall hosting world-class orchestras
like the NY Philharmonic, London Symphony Orchestra, etc., and
is in downtown Newark, a city currently in positive turnaround
(thanks in significant part to NJPAC's influence) but still
(sadly) best known for its 1967 riots which cost it almost 2/3
of its population.
Bill Reed, very nice interview at
http://www.spectropop.com/NinoTempo/index.htm ! Their website,
http://www.ninoandapril.com , which you reference, is also
fascinating. What long and productive careers they've had.
(Good info on April Stevens, although "officialized," is also
there.)
Mick Patrick:
> I've just posted a nice big (and I'm talking BIG!) picture of
> the little miss to S'pop's members page. Go to the photos
> section: http://www.spectropop.com/go2/members.html
Nice, indeed. Also nice to see the Linda Laurie pix posted; she
reminds me a bit of Renee Zellweger.
Good to see the Jerry Blavat "Geator with the Heator" mentions.
Although always on low-power indie stations, the Geator's
influence was huge in Philadelphia and felt among rock cognoscenti
nationwide with his excellent series of anthology albums in Lost
Nite - graced with (or marred by, depending on your taste) his
unique DJ style. Credit where due - he's still "keeping with
faith" with his music.
Phil Milstein:
> Does anybody know anything about the origins of the tune
> "Rinky Dink," the source of Dave Baby Cortez's 1960 hit? I
> recently returned from the cultural oasis of Branson, Missouri,
> where I saw a brilliant lounge organist named Jimmy Nicholas,
> who claimed that he wrote that song, as well as another Cortez
> hit "The Happy Organ," when he was 14 years old.
My record collection is totally sheathed in plastic to protect
it from a mammoth home renovation project, but I'll check when I
unwrap it. I seem to remember a writer credit of "Clowney," Dave
Clowney being his real name. Remind me off-list to check in a
couple of weeks.
RIP Mickie Most.
And congratulations, Spectropop, on 900 digests and 932 members
- and counting!
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:07:00 -0000
From: Music Chef
Subject: Name that Artist !!!
Ok, Spectropop faithful... I need your help !!! I'm
currently digitizing the collection of William "Popsie"
Randolph and we are stumped on a few of the 8 x 10s we have
in the archives. This is your chance to SHINE! For every
correct answer I get for the people here in the archive that
I post, I'll send that person an 8 x 10 of their choice from
our 60,000 images. I'll be posting new images daily and I'll
check back for any feedback. LET THE GAMES BEGIN !!!
BTW, the photos will be kept in a file called "Name that Artist"
in the photo section
Thanks
Musicchef
http://www.popsiephotos.com
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:22:26 -0500
From: David Goodwin
Subject: There's Gonna Be A Storm
Is this out of print all of a sudden? I've seen multiple
copies of it *everywhere* for years, and suddenly I see it
going for $30 on eBay...?
-D
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:51:54 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche update
Record of this Week is, (surprisingly) Suzi Jane Hokom & Lee
Hazlewood. The track chosen - "Califia (Stone Rider)":
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
Next week an A or B side pick between "What About You" - the
Cannon Sisters' song and "Mind Reader" - only just confirmed
as a Nitzsche track and sung by the delightful Ramona King on
Eden.
The Jingle is the first of the drum sessions:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
Martin
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:56:01 -0000
From: Steven
Subject: Linda Laurie
I have just been browsing through last month's messages.
I see Linda Laurie has been mentioned. You can hear her
"Prince Charming" on the following site along with loads
of other great tracks:
http://www.maronis-world.de/Seiten/mp3-demos.htm
Please can we recommend sites like these? Great free
listening! Does anyone know any other sites where one can
listen to early 60s stuff?? Can anyone better the material
on the site above?
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:51:21 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Alternate Eva redux
Thank you, Mr Patrick, for corroborating and expanding upon
my research in reply to Mr White's initial query. How great
to have "Sugar Plum" to look forward to! Thanks to Mike Edwards,
I have confirmed that the Jimmy Jones/Little Eva duet of "Don't
You Just Know It" that I have on a compilation LP is the one
released on Parkway credited only to Jones and included on his
recent "Good Timin' " anthology. So my questions remain: Is
Eva on both sides of this single, and Mick, is this the record
to which you were referring when you said in the liner notes to
"Here Come the Girls 7: The Trouble with Boys" that she recorded
on Parkway, or did she have something under her own name there
as well?
David
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Bassic chord progressions.
As an aspiring bassist I noticed that most rock
bassists of note started in the 60s. I think the
bassists of the 50s suffered from the handicap of
having to play the same old chord progressions over
and over. When you started getting the songwriters
like Brian Wilson and Lennon & McCartney they made
their songs more interesting because they usually
played in and out of various keys. That provided
bassists a lot more room to experiment with.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:31:11 -0700
From: David Ponak
Subject: On The Flip Side
"On The Flip Side" was reissued on CD by Universal Music
Japan about 5 or 6 years ago. I'm not sure if it's still
in print or not.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:20:24 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: The Robbs
The song of the week this month is "Cynthia Loves" - by one
of the biggest should've been but never did bands of the 1960s
- The Robbs. Check out this album track and b-side for a great
lost 60s tune.
http://prands.kity.nu/pramarama/sounds/
(click the image to access the song of the week page)
Also you can tune into my special Robbs' radio show spotlight
on Friday June 6th, 2003 (mark it on your calendars!) - from
6 to 7 pm Eastern Standard time on 90.3 WZBC FM Newton in the
Boston area or online here:
http://www.zbconline.com/testpattern.html
(the name of the feature show is Test Pattern, click the link
to find out more information. Hopefully they will actually
update the schedule soon, this is the first show of the new
season).
:Patrick
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: The Critters
I think it's about time to upgrade the Critters on CD.
The "Kapp Anthology" disc has fairly spotty sound
quality to my ears, and they could have done a lot
better with the packaging. "Mr. Dieingly Sad," and their
version of "Younger Girl" are both amazing great hits,
but the flip sides, "It Just Won't Be That Way" and
"Gone For Awhile" were equally boss. The CD pointed to
by Ciccone's website seems pretty steep at 34 bucks,
but I guess it's a Japanese CD, is it not?
A label like Sundazed or Big Beat could do the
Critters justice.
David
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Alternate Coasters
A year or so ago, I passed on a Coasters CD at a
record fair. It looked at first like a regular
greatest hits type package, but looking at the track
listing, it seemed to be primarily alternate versions,
demos and unreleased tracks. I can't remember the name
of it. Is such a CD still in print?
David
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:37:04 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: The Chanter Sisters/The Other Two
No Kind Of Superstar wrote:
> Back in 2001 I interviewed the legendary session guitarist
> Big Jim Sullivan. One of the records I brought along to show
> him was a See For Miles comp called "Decade Of Instrumentals:
> 1959-1967". One of the tracks that really grabbed me on that
> album was the Bo Diddleyesque "Grumbling Guitar" by the Other
> Two. Big Jim was adamant that it was the Chanter Sisters'
> studio debut, even though the liner notes mention Carol Attwood
> and Jemima Smith. Is his memory playing tricks with him?
> By the way, That Will Never Happen Again has been a big
> influence on my zine. It's great to see you and Mick Patrick
> as regular posters here.
Thanks, er, No Kind. Well, if Jim's implication was that the
Other Two and the Chanter Sisters were one and the same, I
can quite categorically state that they weren't. The Other
Two were indeed Jemima Smith and Caroline Attard and "Grumbling
Guitar" was the (mostly) instrumental "B" side of their first
45 in 1964. The duo had three singles released in total, which
included versions of the Tammys' "Hold Back The Light Of Dawn"
and the Goffin/King song, "Don't You Wanna Love Me Baby".
There's some previous discussion of their output in the
Spectropop archives:
http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/m618.html
The girls were a little way-out for the time and had a
memorable "one-blonde-one-brunette" image. Check out the
"pictures" section, where Mick has posted a great 60s shot
showing Jemima, left and Caroline, right. They split after
Jemima married Duane Eddy; Caroline went on to join the
band Storyteller in '69, marrying Andy Bown, previously of
the Herd. As Carolyn Bown, she gave an interview to John
Tobler in '97, which can be found at Andy Bown's website:
http://www.andybown.com/ and follow the link to Storyteller.
In it, Carolyn gives the story of the Other Two's unusual
entry into the music biz (they were managed by Don Arden)
and mentions their stint at the Star Club and touring with
Chuck Berry. Sadly, Carolyn passed away in July 2001.
The Chanter Sisters came a little later, and other than the
fact that they too were one blonde and one brunette, there's
little similarity in their stories. Irene and Doreen, real
sisters, didn't begin as a duo, but recorded with their
brothers Alex and Charlie - this foursome comprised the
Chanters on CBS, whose first 45, "Everytime" appeared in late
'66. It seems they didn't become a duo until they became Birds
of a Feather in '69. The list of artists they backed in the
70s and 80s is too unwieldy to list here, but includes Bryan
Ferry, David Essex, Rod Stewart, Manfred Mann, Kiki Dee - plus
(attention, Phil!) Gary Shearston and Sue Glover, of Sue &
Sunny (any memories on the Chanters, Phil?!!)
Don't have any old publicity shots of the sisters, but you can
find a couple of contemporary pics of Irene and Doreen at Chris
Farlowe's website, they having recently provided backing vocals
for his new "Farlowe That!" album:
http://www.simplyws.co.uk/chrisfarlowe/reviews/kds_2002_2.html
So having established the Chanter Sisters weren't the Other Two,
is it possible that they were *at* the "Grumbling Guitar" session,
adding vocals? Unlikely - '64 would have been too early for Irene
and Doreen to be on the the UK session circuit, which was pretty
much sewn up in the early 60s. As Lesley Duncan once told me,
"at that time, it was either the Ladybirds, the Breakaways or
the Mike Sammes Singers!"
Ian
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:57:26 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: PMS pressings
Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> I have a mono copy of the Walker Brothers first LP on Smash
> - and the second side is in stereo - no mentioning of stereo
> on the label.
I have a stereo copy of The Rose Garden LP on Atco, most songs
of which are in mono with the exception of "Next Plane To London".
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:37:18 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche update
> Next week an A or B side pick between "What About You" - the
> Cannon Sisters' song and "Mind Reader" - only just confirmed
> as a Nitzsche track and sung by the delightful Ramona King on
> Eden.
I'd like to hear both, so my suggestion is that whichever one
doesn't make it this time becomes the ROTW the week after that.
--Ph.
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:18:40 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: The Other Two
Ian Chapman wrote:
> the Other Two.....were a little way-out for the time and
> had a memorable "one-blonde-one-brunette" image. Check out
> the "pictures" section, where Mick has posted a great 60s
> shot showing Jemima, left and Caroline, right.
I have a page scanned from a magazine about the girls; it
includes the same pic as Mick posted. If anyone wants a copy
please mail me off list and I will be happy to send it along.
Best
Richard
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:04:35 EDT
From: Ronnie Allen
Subject: "Diane Renay And Friends" show is archived
To all,
I am very pleased to report that WBCB has archived my entire
"Diane Renay And Friends" show on their website.
I did the show live-by-phone with Diane from the WBCB studios
(1490-AM Fairless Hills, PA) on May 22nd. You can now listen
to all three hours of the show whenever you want ..... 24/7.
Diane and I played her big hit "Navy Blue" and several tracks
from her current double-CD "Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old
And Some Things New."
Sixteen different "friends" joined us: people she has performed
and/or toured with, recorded with, studied with and/or become
personal friends with. All her friends appeared in pre-recorded
interview segments except for Artie Singer and Bob Crewe, who
appeared both pre-recorded and live-by-phone during the show.
Crewe -- our "top secret" mystery guest -- was, in fact, live-by
-phone with Diane and myself for the final 45 minutes of the show,
one of his very rare radio interviews!
Diane's friends, in order of appearance were:
HOUR 1:
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Artie Singer (her vocal teacher 45 years ago)
Eddie Rambeau (co-writer of "Navy Blue")
Bobby Vee
Johnny Tillotson
Barbara Harris (lead singer of the Toys)
Bobby "Boris" Pickett
HOUR 2:
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Peggy March
Paul Petersen
Gerry Granahan (a/k/a Dickey Doo and the Don'ts)
Sue Thompson
Lou Christie
Bobby Goldsboro
HOUR 3:
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Terry Fischer (lead singer of the Murmaids)
Dee Dee Sharp
Charlie Gracie
Bob Crewe
To access the show, use the link specified in this post
http://www.wbcb1490.com which gets you to the WBCB homepage.
On the upper right hand portion of the page single-click
"Listen to Ronnie Allen's - Diane Renay And Friends
Interview". Within seconds the show will begin to play from
the beginning.
Whatever player you have will automatically load the show one
hour at a time. When the first hour is complete there will be
a few seconds of silence and then the second hour will
automatically start. When the second hour is complete there
will be a few seconds of silence and then the third hour will
automatically start.
Some (but not all) players will allow you to pick out the
specific hour you want to begin with by selecting Clip 1,
Clip 2 or Clip 3.
Most players allow you to fast-forward to a later portion within
that hour (or to rewind to a previous portion). Depending on
whether you have cable or dial-up the buffering may be quick
or slow.
Diane and I are most grateful to all of her friends who
participated in this very unusual show and to those who heard
the show live and have already commented about it.
And I would like to express my personal gratitude to Diane for
her efforts in assisting me in contacting many of the guests
who appeared on the show.
The show was fun for all of us and we hope that you all enjoy it!
I very much value your feedback. I welcome comments and/or
suggestions for future shows!
Thanks everybody!
Ronnie Allen
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