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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. R.I.P. Skip Battin
From: Bryan
2. Re: Murray The K Live LP
From: Phil Milstein
3. Re: People Who Died
From: Scott
4. Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks!
From: Mary
5. Re: Carol Vega - Chicago - '60s?
From: Rich
6. New European internet Radio Network
From: Herbert Petzold
7. Skip Battin
From: Richard Hattersley
8. Re: Orbisonic Orbisongs
From: Peter Lerner
9. Re: Barry White R.I.P.
From: Peter Lerner
10. Re: People Who Died
From: Stewart Mason
11. Pete Best "The Beatles: True Beginnings"
From: David Coyle
12. Help ! FFZ ?
From: Lor
13. Re: Skip Battin
From: Steve Harvey
14. Re: Cynthia Weil Speaks . . . and SINGS (oh, no!)
From: Mick Patrick
15. Re: Chiffons' reissues
From: Will Stos
16. David Hemmings Happens LP
From: Art Longmire
17. Re: Help ! FFZ ?
From: Stephane Rebeschini
18. Re: Pete Best
From: Mike Edwards
19. Chiffons' mastertapes
From: Mike Edwards
20. Re: Kelly
From: Tom Taber
21. Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
From: Cheryl Jennings
22. Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
From: Scott
23. Re: Orbisonic Orbisongs
From: TD
24. Re: Pete Best
From: Steve Harvey
25. Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
From: Steve Harvey
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:18:30 -0700
From: Bryan
Subject: R.I.P. Skip Battin
Skip Battin has passed away:
http://users.skynet.be/byrdsflyght/main.htm
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:31:59 -0400
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Murray The K Live LP
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Murray The K Presents:
> The Rascals: I Ain't Gonna Eat Out My Heart Anymore
> Janis Ian: Society's Child
> The Bee Gees: Holiday
> Vanilla Fudge: You Keep Me Hangin' On
> Janis Ian: Younger Generation Blues
> The Bee Gees: To Love Somebody
> The Blues Project: Wake Me, Shake Me
> Joe Tex: Hold Onto What You've Got
> Joe Tex: You've Got What It Takes
> The Shangri-Las: I Can Never Go Home Anymore
> The Royalettes: It's Gonna Take A Miracle
> Deon Jackson: Love Makes The World Go 'Round
>
> They sound like live to me. Pick a track, and I'll try to post it
> to musica.
What a rube. This gentleman must have had his ears wired wrong or
something. Clearly the first six tracks are the usual studio takes; the
Blues Project cut is either live or fake-live; and the rest of the LP,
constituting the entire side 2, is genuine live. I think it's time for
that otolaryngylogical check-up, dude!
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:06:16 -0000
From: Scott
Subject: Re: People Who Died
Mike Nathan wrote:
> Does anyone remember the record "(Those are) People Who Died"?
> Who recorded it, when, etc.
Jim Carroll Band, 1980, don't know if it was ever issued as a single
but I remember it getting heavy rotation on my local college radio
station station when it came out. It's on his first LP, Catholic Boy,
which should be available on CD.
Scott
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:08:37 -0000
From: Mary
Subject: Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks!
Mick Patrick:
> I have posted an edit of the Cynthia Weil interview to musica.
> She and Barry Mann are in conversation with S'pop's very own
> Alan Warner, of their publishing company EMI Music. To hear it,
> just click here, and select "Cynthia Weil Speaks":
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hi Mick,
I heard the interview. I agree with you. I think the host Alan
Warner was speaking of the released Capitol recording and Cynthia
Weil was talking about the demos she did. Thank you for responding
so quickly. I will come back later with the link for my web site.
I had a little delay.
Thanks again,
Mary
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:24:16 -0400
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Carol Vega - Chicago - '60s?
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Carol Vega and Denise Craig each recorded for the independent
> production company of Chicago-based William "Billy The Kid"
> Emerson. The Florida-born rock 'n' roller-turned-entrepreneur
> leased Carol's debut, "Sugar Over You", to the Constellation
> label in 1964, followed by "One Little Thing" to Chess' Argo
> subsidiary the following year. Another year later he utilised
> the very same Argo backing track of the latter title when he
> re-cut the song with Denise, which he issued as the flip-side
> of her debut, "A Love Reputation", on his Tarpon logo. Ms
> Craig went on to achieve great fame as Denise LaSalle, while
> Carol Vega, unfortunately, was not heard from again.
Mick,
This is great information! Don't you just love a mystery? "Carol
Vega, unfortunately, was not heard from again..." That statement
just makes me even more determined to discover her fate. I'm
hoping that there may be some other connections that I can make
to perhaps track her down. Please keep this thread going, to see
if I can get some answers!
Kal David (of Kal David & the Exceptions, which included Marty
Grebb and Peter Cetera as its members) says of Carol, "She was
known for doing covers like 'Hello Stranger' and 'My Guy'."
Jerry Urban who was also a member of the Starfires says, "She was
a very nice person, and could really sing. Wonderful and powerful
voice."
The Starfires were a shortlived outfit and did not record. They
were originally known as the Mus-twangs and prior to that, the
Capitols. The Mus-twangs released two 45's and the Capitols
recorded a demo album that never saw the light of day. Carol was
not involved until the band changed its name to the Starfires and
that only lasted a year or so. She was married to the Starfires
bass player, Johnny Moore for a brief time.
For more info and pictures relating to the Capitols, Mus-twangs
and Starfires:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/musiclink/paulcotton/capitols.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/musiclink/paulcotton/mus-twangs.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/musiclink/paulcotton/starfires.html
Thanks for connecting with me!
Rich
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:05:47 -0000
From: Herbert Petzold
Subject: New European internet Radio Network
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You can see all important informations on this sites:
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We'll set up an English yahoo group for our Network soon.
keep on rockin
Herbert - DoowopKing Network
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:42:19 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Skip Battin
Just heard that Skip Battin, the final Byrds bass player has died.
The piece I read said he was 69-years-old.
Richard
www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:21:16 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Orbisonic Orbisongs
Before this thread dies away, what about Del Shannon's "Kelly"?
This brilliant little song got lots of radio plays here in the UK,
I recall, even though it was just the B-side of "Two kinds of
teardrops". It has all the ingredients of great Roy and great Del
- a rising and falling cadence to the song, crystal clear
production, that drum trick which you often find on Del's records,
that girl group, a tragic theme (well, only Del and Roy could make
copping off with your best mate's woman tragic), and mega
marytyrdom (for heaven's sake, Del asks this woman what HE should
be doing about the situation). And, like all the best Del / Roys,
you can sing along with it.
Do all the 'poppers in the US know this song?
Peter
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:29:53 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Barry White R.I.P.
We've not written much to date about Barry. The obituary by Garth
Cartwright in Monday's (UK) Guardian newspaper tells how Barry
played piano on Jesse Belvin's "Goodnight my love" at age 11,
arranged Bob and Earl's cracking "Harlem Shuffle" and of course
produced hits for Felice Taylor (and Elisabeth K).
Perhaps fewer people know that he was part of Jackie DeShannon's
backing band in the late 60s around the time of her "Laurel Canyon"
album, along with future greats such as Mac (Dr John) Rebennack.
Barry wrote one song for the album and sang backing vocals. I have
a video of Jackie's contemporary performance at the Playboy Club
with Barry singing along there, and yes they did all have their
clothes on.
Sad loss of a nice guy.
Peter
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:15:34 -0400
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: People Who Died
Mike Nathan asks:
> Does anyone remember the record "(Those are) People Who Died"?
> Who recorded it, when, etc.
I assume you mean "People Who Died" by Jim Carroll, a New York
poet (and author of THE BASKETBALL DIARIES, a memoir of his
teenage smack addiction) who recorded a few albums in the early
'80s with Lenny Kaye, NUGGETS compiler and Patti Smith Group
guitarist. You'll find it on his 1980 debut album, CATHOLIC BOY.
Hey La? I had no idea Mick was from Liverpool...
S
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Pete Best "The Beatles: True Beginnings"
I saw this book at Barnes & Noble for 30+ bucks, and
it looked almost worth it...if I had 30 bucks. Lots of
great photos of the early and Best Beatles lineup,
almost on par with Mike McCartney's book "Remember,"
which is now o.o.p.
But the problem I have with the various books written
by and about Pete Best, is that they all have this
kind of theme that says "There wouldn't have been any
Beatles if my mother hadn't opened up a coffee shop in
our basement." It's not so much that the Beatles
sacked Pete, but everybody talks about the Cavern
days, or the Star-Club, but the Casbah always gets a
short shrift. At least that's the impression I get
from reading Best's autobiography "Beatle!"
Still I am looking forward to picking up this book one
of these days. I always like seeing rare photos of the
early days of British rock.
David
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:00:15 -0000
From: Lor
Subject: Help ! FFZ ?
Does anyone have any information on a band called FFZ? I remember a
single called "Everybody Get Out Of Bed" from 1969 or 70. I have had
no luck tracing this, does anyone have any facts? Perhaps I have the
band's name wrong?
Thanks, Lor
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Skip Battin
My fondest memories as a Byrdsmaniac was the winter of 1978.
Stuck out in Iowa City during a snow storm I made my way over
to see the Mock Burritoes. Got there early with albums in hand.
Talked with Gene Parsons and Skip Battin about all things Byrds.
Two of the nicest guys from that band. Heard some really funny
stories about McGuinn.
Anyway, the thing that stuck in my mind was Skip seeing the
single "One of America's Great National Pasttimes" for the first
time. He got a great kick out of seeing one his tunes released
as a single. Up until then he hadn't known about its existance.
Reminded me of the time Gene Clark signed his solo Columbia
singles for me.
Met most of the Byrds at one time or the other, but none of them
match the level of civility Gene and Skip did that night. At one
point one of them said, "I ought to go get ?, but I guess I'll
just stay hear and talk about the Byrds with you". How many
"stars" could be bothered to take the time these days?
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:42:35 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Cynthia Weil Speaks . . . and SINGS (oh, no!)
Mary:
> I heard the interview. I agree with you. I think the host
> Alan Warner was speaking of the released Capitol recording
> and Cynthia Weil was talking about the demos she did. Thank
> you for responding so quickly.
Hey la,
Cynthia Weil *did* make a record, you know. As a special treat,
or punishment, depending on your taste, I have posted her
platter to musica. To hear it, follow the link below, then
click on Cynthia Weil Sings:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Details are:
Miss Prim and the Classroom Kids "The Toddle" (Amy 872, 1962).
Written by Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil and Mike Anthony.
Arranged by Stanley Applebaum.
Produced by Barry Mann for Nevins-Kirshner.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:33:40 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Chiffons' reissues
Mike Edwards wrote:
> Impact Records (which I believe is a subsidiary of UK Ace) put out
> two fine albums... ...These 32 tracks are probably all we'll
> ever need by the group.
Oh, Mike, have you never heard the My Secret Love album? As great as
it would be to have Flips, Flops and Rarities reissued on CD, there
are some cuts on the BT Puppy album that are CD reissue worthy. I
mentioned in another post that I would personally nominate "Every
Boy, Every Girl," "Strange Strange Feeling" and particularly the
great "Remember Me Baby," but thinking back I would also
suggest "Soul" (which is the grittiest I've ever heard the group) and
probably the title track too. I'd also really like to hear the real
version of Stop Look and Listen (because the imposter version on CDs
is one of my favourites). I was excahnging emails with someone, I
believe he was in Australia, who said he had a mint version of the My
Secret Love album he'd be willing to sacrifice if the original tapes
are lost, but if a label ever did search for the stuff, they'd
probably have to wade through red tape to see if the recordings were
owned by Laurie or BT Puppy. The other thing working against a big
compilation is how many skimpy Chiffons CDs are on the market.
Whoever licences Laurie seems willing to give budget labels access to
the hits, which is all they want. Hopefully a new retrospective will
come out soon. Hey, if Judy's willing, I'd nominate including a live
cut or too from her current shows.
Will : )
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:11:17 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: David Hemmings Happens LP
Anybody else heard this, I came first came across this album back in
the early 90's. Hemmings recorded it in Los Angeles in 1967 with
backing by the Byrds. One of the most whacked-out albums I've heard
in a while. I think a track from it was included on a Byrds rarities
CD recently. I can't remember who produced it, but it definitely
could be of interest to Byrds and Los Angeles pop fans.
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:05:18 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Help ! FFZ ?
Lor a écrit:
> Does anyone have any information on a band called FFZ? I remember a
> single called "Everybody Get Out Of Bed" from 1969 or 70. I have had
> no luck tracing this, does anyone have any facts? Perhaps I have the
> band's name wrong?
Bonsoir,
Not FFZ, or F, F, Z but "F F & Z" : (Paula) Fishbaugh, (Gary) Fishbaugh
& (Pete) Zorn, a trio of US hippies then living in UK, where they
recorded one LP as FFZ in 1972 with Junior Campbell, Terry Cox, Ray
Duffy...
"Everybody Get Out of Bed" was the title of their (only?) single, the
flip being "Spaced On Happy". Pete Zorn kept on recording with various
UK rock, pop... groups (including TAX LOSS, "Hey Mister Record Man" in
1979).
I hope that helps.
Stephane
OCTOPUS MUSIC
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NB: I have this single for sale on my site
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:00:58 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Pete Best
David writes re Pete Best's new book, "The Beatles – The True
Beginnings":
> I saw this book at Barnes & Noble for 30+ bucks, and it
> looked almost worth it...if I had 30 bucks.
It should be cheaper at amazon.com (especially through one of their
affiliated dealers). The saving in sales tax should offset the
shipping charge.
> But the problem I have with the various books written by and
> about Pete Best, is that they all have this kind of theme that
> says "There wouldn't have been any Beatles if my mother hadn't
> opened up a coffee shop in our basement." It's not so much that
> the Beatles sacked Pete, but everybody talks about the Cavern
> days, or the Star-Club, but the Casbah always gets a short
> shrift. At least that's the impression I get from reading Best's
> autobiography "Beatle!"
The Pete Best-Patrick Doncaster book, "Beatle! The Pete Best Story"
is a good read. I guess you cannot blame Pete for putting his slant
on the way things went down during the Beatles' early years and I
imagine the Casbah is going to feature heavily in this new book. I
believe Pete did not contribute to Liverpudlian Spencer Leigh's
book, "Drummed Out! The Sacking Of Pete Best" as he had a contractual
obligation to the publisher of "Beginnings".
Pete looked well on "Good Morning America" and it's fascinating to
think that 40 years after leaving the Beatles, he's still a strong
enough draw to make an (albeit small) appearance on that show.
I understand that he finally saw a big payday in the 90s when he got
his cut from the Beatles' Anthology phenomenon. I wonder if he thinks
that since his dismissal, a number of the Beatles and their
associates having passed on, maybe he was better off out of it.
Mike
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:25:20 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Chiffons' mastertapes
Will writes:
> Oh, Mike, have you never heard the My Secret Love album?
No Will, I haven't. As I noted on this site before, I always
regard the BT Puppy album catalog with suspicion as only very
few of the titles look as if they were ever issued. I remember
seeing ads by the Margo brothers in Goldmine looking for BT
Puppy albums. I'm in the market for a copy of this album though,
if one should come your way. I have "Strange Strange Feeling"
by the Cinnamons on BT Buppy 503 from 1964. I think I read on
this site that this group was the Chiffons.
I have absolutely no information on who has the tapes but I
would surmise that:
The BT Puppy tapes are probably lost as not even the Tokens
know where their BT Puppy tapes are. You have to wonder, though,
how UK Sequel were able to come up with a full set of (BT Puppy)
Happenings' tapes for a mid-90s' CD (including unreleased items!)
Most of the Laurie tapes should be accessible by UK Ace, who have
just released a "Laurie Records Story Vol 1" CD, which includes
"One Fine Day", "He's So Fine", "Nobody Knows What's Going On",
"My Block", "Sweet Talking Guy" and "When The Boy's Happy".
Although, Mick wrote recently that mastertapes no longer exist for
"Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" and "What Am I Gonna Do With
You (Hey Baby)".
More informed commentary is obviously needed.
Mike
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Kelly
Peter wrote re. Del Shannon's "Kelly":
> Do all the 'poppers in the US know this song?
I became familiar with it from Del's early 70s live LP.
Then, my girlfriend's little sister's friend had a kid brother
named Kelly, and every time we'd see him, or hear his name
mentioned, we'd break in to "Kelly and I meet secretly - we
stay out of sight..." The poor little kid must have thought we
were nuts. He grew up to be our local United Parcel Service man,
and hopefully remembers nothing about it. But, 03 decades later,
my (former girlfriend) wife of 25 years and I may drive by him
and his truck, look at each other, and sing "Kelly and I..."
Tom Taber
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:59:36 -0500
From: Cheryl Jennings
Subject: Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
Art Longmire wrote:
> Anybody else heard this, I came first came across this album back
> in the early 90's. Hemmings recorded it in Los Angeles in 1967
> with backing by the Byrds...
Yeah.... very psychedelic! I think Jim Dickson produced the Hemmings
LP. It has the only recording of Gene Clark's song "Back Street
Mirror". Chris Hillman and Roger McGuinn played on the sessions.
Cheryl
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:47:06 -0000
From: Scott
Subject: Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
Art Longmire wrote:
> Anybody else heard this, I came first came across this album back
> in the early 90's. Hemmings recorded it in Los Angeles in 1967
Back Street Mirror: one of many "lost" Gene Clark compositions from
around that time.
Scott
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:08:36 -0400
From: TD
Subject: Re: Orbisonic Orbisongs
Peter Lerner:
> Before this thread dies away, what about Del Shannon's "Kelly"?
I remember the song "Kelly" (Kelly and I met secretly, we stay out
of sight...). It was on Del Shannon's album "Little Town Flirt".
Since other people mentioned Del Shannon, I thought it would be
redundant for me to start listing all the songs in Del Shannon's
repertoire that blend with the "Orbisonic" sound. On that same
album, Del Shannon sang "Hey Little Girl" (Come Let Me Fix Your
Broken Heart), another "Orbisonic" groove. Now that you mention
it, that was a good album -- TD
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Pete Best
When you consider that Pete Best is still alive, probably playing
with his grandchildren, he doesn't seem too bad off. What good is
fame and fortune when it draws out some nutcase that blows you
away? I always felt sorry for Pete up until Dec. 8, 1980. After
that date he seemed to be the lucky one.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:50:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: David Hemmings Happens LP
Yeah, I got a copy signed by Roger and Chris. I think Roger said
it was jiffypop rushed out to cash in on the Blow Up fame. Some
Gene Clark tunes on it so it's a kind of a quazi-Byrds lp. Kinda
like the the Byrds' version of Philmore Lincoln.
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