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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Jackie vs. Randy
From: Bill George
2. Twinn Connexion; Four Jacks + a Jill
From: Bob Rashkow
3. Stereo Connie/Latin Music in the Brill Building
From: Stuffed Animal
4. Quentin E Klopjaeger & Beards
From: Mark Frumento
5. Re: The Cookies
From: Jimmy
6. Re: please... don't... stop...
From: Mark Frumento
7. Re: Master Jack
From: Steve Harvey
8. Re: Brute Force "Tapeworm Of Love"
From: Rat Pfink
9. Jack Nitzsche Update
From: Martin Roberts
10. Laura Nyro's background singers
From: Tony Leong
11. Phil Spector article
From: David Bell
12. Connie Francis
From: Stuffed Animal
13. Origins of "High Coin"
From: Art Longmire
14. Chiffons on musica
From: Mike Edwards
15. Lollipop Lips/Jawbreaker
From: Tom
16. Parkway
From: Simon White
17. Righteous Brothers /Johnnie Wimber
From: Peter Richmond
18. Re: Back up vocals on "Lightning Strikes" (Toni Wine chimes in)
From: Allan Rinde
19. Jaedes Album 1969
From: Frederick Blackmon
20. Re: Toni Wine chimes in
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
21. Burt Bacharach
From: Guy Lawrence
22. Re: Righteous Brothers/Johnnie Wimber/Jack Nitzsche
From: Martin Roberts
23. Re: The Cat Came Back
From: Ian Chapman
24. Re: Origins of "High Coin"
From: Guy Lawrence
25. Re: Jaedes Album 1969
From: Simon White
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:23:47 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Jackie vs. Randy
> In 1980 I finally got to meet Randy Newman and discuss
> the various early stages of his career: He did admit
> writing several tunes with Jackie DeShannon. Probably
> a connection via his childhood friend, Lenny Waronker.
Jackie and Randy were both house writers for Metric Music,
which is how they got together. They wrote a handful of tunes
together. One of the best is a british-invasion style tune
called "Why Can't You Be Loving Me." As far as I know, that
was never recorded. Does anyone know of a cut on that song?
- Bill
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:50:38 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Twinn Connexion; Four Jacks + a Jill
David Coyle wrote:
> ..It goes to show how misleading songwriting credits can be...
Indeed. LO1KD ("Land of 1,000 Dances") to paraphrase James
Cassidy in a previous posting that still cracks me up, on the
Treasure Chest repressing of the Cannibal version, is credited
to Frankie Garcia, their dynamic lead singer, but if I'm not
mistaken it was written by Chris Kenner, who also did the
original. Anyone know if the Rampart label gets it right?
Twinn Connexion's 45 "I Think I Know Him" is a gorgeous soft-pop
with a gorgeous organ shimmering throughout. The lyrics are
halfway decent too. Kind of a 6Ts take on Melissa Manchester's
"You Should Hear How She Talks About You." Weird version of
"Turn-Down Day" on the flip. Co-produced by the prolific Jerry
Keller.
To me, "Master Jack" is about the "hippie generation" growing up
and away from the influence of their Establishment parents (forgive
me if I'm getting a little bit PUC here). The lyrics are nothing
short of brilliant, and you've gotta look beyond the deceptive
whimsy of "You're a very strange man and I thank you...." etc.
It's quite a relic of 1968, and out of all the songs that made
Top 20 nationally that year, although it's actually not one of my
personal faves, is arguably one of the most outstanding for the
reasons cited previously by other S'poppers.
Bobster
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:55:05 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Stereo Connie/Latin Music in the Brill Building
I just remembered something . . . during the pre-production
process of CONNIE FRANCIS SOUVENIRS, Pat Niglio revealed to me
that he had in his possession a stereo mix of Connie's hit "I
Was Such A Fool (To Fall In Love With You)." He swore that no
one would ever hear it because it was "horrible." However, he
provided the stereo mix of "Born Free" that is heard on the box
set. I wouldn't be surprised if Pat Niglio has access to other
Connie Francis recordings in stereo. "Don't Ever Leave Me,"
"Roundabout" and "Love Is Me, Love Is You" (the latter two are
excellent Tony Hatch compositions and productions) evidently do
not exist in stereo in their English versions, but stereophonic
Japanese versions have surfaced over the years. Stereo mixes of
"Over-The-Hill Underground" and "Drownin' My Sorrows" were found
in the PolyGram vaults, but the latter recording was unfinished.
On another subject, I recently discovered that there was a Latin
music label housed in the Brill Building (1619 Broadway)! The
CEO and A & R director was one Jose Morand, a Latin orchestra
leader who'd been working in New York at least since the 1930s.
Artists on the label included Ramon Marquez, Monchito, Jose
Curbelo and Rene Touzet (Desi Arnaz's pianist). Does anyone
have any other information about FIESTA RECORDS?
Stuffed Animal
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:53:48 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Quentin E Klopjaeger & Beards
Quentin recorded some nice stuff. Would like to find more of
his work. He covered John Bromley's "Weatherman" to great
(McCartney-esque) effect.
Did QEK have a beard like John Kongos? And yes Martin, I do,
and I'm proud of it! Especially to be in the company of the
others you mention!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:53:52 EDT
From: Jimmy
Subject: Re: The Cookies
Hi David,
Morrissey eh??! Who knew!
I was playing "I Want A Boy..." at work yesterday on our
overhead CD system at the bookstore -- sounds great-- and a
woman stopped in her tracks and exclaimed "Oh my God, what IS
that? That's beautiful!!!"
Jimmy
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:55:14 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: please... don't... stop...
Steve Harvey:
> ...keep your eyes peeled for a copy of that rare Philippines
> disc, "Beat the Beatles"....
Stop. You're killing me. Really, I mean it, stop!
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Master Jack
The first act I ever saw at the legendary Main Point in Bryn
Mawr was Four Jacks and a Jill. Very nice easy listening type
pop. MASTER JACK was the one hit they had. The second album
didn't make much noise and they ended up back in South Africa.
I remember somebody who used to work at the Main Point telling
me one of the Jacks went up the hill with Jill, but not to fetch
a pail of water. I think they got married soon after.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:07:39 -0400
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: Brute Force "Tapeworm Of Love"
David Coyle:
> I have this song [Brute Force - Tapeworm Of Love] on the Sony
> CD "Whole Lotta Lava."
Noiro:
> I have their LP entitled "Brute Force". It is a one man band
> and all of the LP is pretty much the same type song. It is
> OOP and not on CD to the best of my knowledge.
Is that LP by the same Brute Force?
He put out two LPs (that I know of) "I, Brute Force, Confections
of Love", which contains "Tapeworm of Love" and "To Sit on a
Sandwich" and can be usually be found for US$15-20, and
"Extemporaneous" which is extremely rare, the last copy I saw was
going for US$1200. Oh yeah, and George Harrison signed him to Apple
where he did the infamous "King of Fuh" single.
He's currently selling a CD compilation, "Tour de Brute Force",
on his web site (http://www.brutesforce.com/).
RP
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:16:50 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche Update
The Record Of The Week on the home page,
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm is fab -
The Pleasures' "Music City". ("Music City" reminds me of a
song that contains the lyric, "and the cat came back", can
someone put me out of my misery and remind me which one,
please!)
Next week, the 'strange but true department' brings you the
choice of Lou Christie's "Wild Life's In Season" or Jackie
DeShannon's, "Dancing Silhouettes", two favourites and both
amazingly, unavailable on CD.
On The Radio, http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
is playing, "KHJ7 Tijuana".
Martin
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:52:06 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Laura Nyro's background singers
Hi Group:
Does anybody know who the background singers were on
Laura Nyro's original recordings of "Wedding Bell Blues"
and "Stoney End" (yes, Laura recorded that in 1966 long
before the Blossoms and Ms. Barbra!!!!)?
Tony
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:42:22 -0000
From: David Bell
Subject: Phil Spector article
A bit late in the day, I know, but I've just noticed that
there was a Phil Spector story in Sunday's Observer newspaper
in the Review section. There's the usual squalid story but a
wonderful picture (oft used) of Phil being held by all 3
Ronettes - lucky guy!
David.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:27:44 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Connie Francis
David wrote:
> It seems to me, Stuff, that the team should get together
> again and produce another set similar to 'Souvenirs'. Connie
> recorded some wonderful tracks in the mid to late 60s that
> are hugely neglected.
Not much chance of that happening, I'm afraid . . . saleswise,
CONNIE FRANCIS SOUVENIRS did not perform up to PolyGram's
expectations upon release. In addition to that, my relation-
ship with Bill Levenson soured for reasons I won't go into.
As for Pat Niglio, as essential as his many contributions to the
box set were, he made no secret of the fact that he considered
me an interloper. He absolutely did not want me working on that
project, and indeed, as time passed, my role diminished (though
I'm certainly not blaming him for that). Still, the concept,
compilation, research and liner notes are 90% mine! Nothing and
nobody can take that away from me. I doubt I'll ever get the
chance to work on another Connie Francis release, but I'm proud
to say that I took full advantage of the opportunity when I got
it...Stuffed Animal worked his furry ass off, and loved (almost)
every minute of it!
But in terms of what PolyGram/Universal should be doing with
the Connie Francis catalog nowadays (which I understand is in
litigation right now), I think the time is right to exploit her
extensive Spanish-language catalog. And I can't advocate enough
the reissue of her jazz-oriented albums (SONGS TO A SWINGIN' BAND
(a masterpiece!), A NEW KIND OF CONNIE, CONNIE AND CLYDE, THE
EXCITING CONNIE FRANCIS, CONNIE FRANCIS SINGS BACHARACH AND DAVID
and WHO'S SORRY NOW).
Stuff
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:50:20 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Origins of "High Coin"
Does anybody know who was the first to record the song
"High Coin" that was written by Van Dyke Parks? I think
I heard that it was Bobby Vee but I'm not sure. I first
heard it on the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band's
first Reprise LP, as an instrumental. I also have it on
a Harper's Bizarre album. Both versions are very good -
I'm wondering what other acts have recorded this song.
Art Longmire
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:22:43 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Chiffons on musica
Third entry in the "Keeping The Summer Alive" series is the
Chiffons with "When Summer's Through" (Laurie, 1963). Written
by the Tokens, it was originally recorded by them on RCA in
1961 and issued on 45 as the b-side of "Sincerely". It was one
of two singles the Tokens put out on RCA before "The Lion Sleeps
Tonight". The Chiffons version appeared on their "One Fine Day"
album in 1963 and again as the b-side of "Sailor Boy", a #81 hit
in 1964. The Tokens didn't stop there, as they produced a version
of "When Summer Is Through" by the Happenings for their "Psycle"
album in 1967. The song also came out as the b-side of the
Happenings #41 hit, "Why Do Fools Fall In Love".
"When Summer's Through" is an excellent seasonal song in spite of
its bridesmaid status. Enjoy this version by the Chiffons now
playing at musica.
Mike
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:42:32 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Lollipop Lips/Jawbreaker
I remember reading in a tabloid about a year ago about
Connie's lawsuit against the inclusion of "Lollipop Lips"
in a movie. It's funny, but I remember watching a movie
called "Jawbreaker" around 1998 or 1999 and hearing the
song in it. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear a good
song in a new movie. However, I can tell you, despite the
title, "Jawbreaker" is not a porn movie at all. If it was,
I would not have been watching it. On the contrary, it's a
mildly amusing teenage black comedy. I don't remember the
details, except that it was something about a a group of
girls that formed a clique and started to murder people
unintentionally at first, and then intentionally afterwards.
Anyway, the song "Lollipop Lips" is used in a scene in which
one of the characters, played by Rose MacGowan of the TV
series "Charmed", seduces one of the male characters on a bed
while eating a lollipop. It's all quite funny in the way it
is done, and I thought the song worked quite well in the scene.
That being said, when I read about the lawsuit, I was surprised
that it was being referred to as a porn movie when it is
anything but. It's just another dark teen comedy, like many of
the teenage movies being made currently. Unless, of course, the
lawsuit is referring to another film that the song was used in.
Whatever the case, I found its inclusion in "Jawbreaker" to be a
refreshing break from the typical contemporary rock used in films.
Tom
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:59:30 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Parkway
Do we have any Cameo Parkway experts out there? I need to
know this - was the backing track of Mike Finnegan and The
Serfs' Parkway side "Bread And Water" ever released? Is it
Googie Rene? It sounds a lot like Googie's "Beautiful Weekend".
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:54:39 +0100
From: Peter Richmond
Subject: Righteous Brothers /Johnnie Wimber
Stuffed Animal wrote:
> Hmmm ... so Wimber didn't arrange the Righteous Brothers
> albums SOME BLUE-EYED SOUL and THIS IS NEW! I love RIGHT
> NOW! but the latter two LPs are actually my favorites of
> the Brothers' Moonglow output. Any idea who wrote the
> arrangements for those albums, Peter? They are out of this
> world, especially on "Fannie Mae," "Night Owl," "Baby, What
> You Want Me To Do," "I Just Wanna Make Love To You" and "Gotta
> Tell You How I Feel!"
It is possible that Johnnie Wimber had involvement with some
of the tracks on the Righteous Brothers album "This Is New"
released on Moonglow 1003 in July 1965 because it was anything
but new as the title implied. Some tracks were probably recorded
prior to Johnnie Wimber leaving in late 1963. (In the UK "This
Is New" was issued on Sue 937 by a different title, "In Action"
with several track changes.)
The album was a showcase for the song "Justine" which the Righteous
Brothers had performed in the just released film "Swingin' Summer".
It contained both sides of a 1963 Bill Medley single on Moonglow
221, "Gotta Tell You How I Feel"/"If You're Lyin, You'll Be Cryin"
and the B side of Bobby Hatfield's 1963 Moonglow 220 single "I Need
A Girl" - the main side, "Hot Tamales" was to later appear on the
Philles 4009 album "Back To Back" in 1966 after the Righteous
Brothers had split from Phil Spector.
Also included was a track by the Paramours (featuring Bill Medley)
"There She Goes" originally issued on Moonglow 214.
The only known arranger credits for any of the tracks on the album
is Jack Nitzsche. He is credited on the Moonglow 239 issue of "You
Can Have Her", produced by Ahmet Ertegun and recorded much earlier
as some kind of demo. This was interesting in that the whole backing
track (including girl backing singers singing "You Can have Her")
had earlier been utilised on Moonglow 231 "Try To Find Another Man"
released in mid 1964. The B side, "I Still Love You", written by
Nino Tempo (also on this album) credits Jack Nitzsche as arranger
and conductor.
As for the tracks on the "Some Blue Eyed Soul" album, Bill Medley
and Barry Rillera are credited as arrangers on the Moonglow single
releases of "Bring Your Love To Me" on Moonglow 234 and "This Little
Girl Of Mine" on Moonglow 235. Jack Nitzsche is credited as arranger
and conductor of Moonglow 231 "Try To Find Another Man".
No arranger credits are given on the two tracks, "Night Owl"/"My
Tears Will Go Away", which uses the same backing tracks on versions
by the Righteous Brothers and the Clouds (produced by Bill Medley on
Medley Records 1001).
Peter Richmond.
Righteous Brothers Discography
http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:30:27 -0000
From: Allan Rinde
Subject: Re: Back up vocals on "Lightning Strikes" (Toni Wine chimes in)
Louis wrote:
> Denise Ferri sent me an email message with this answer:
>
> Hi...yes I did sing back-up on several of Patty Duke's songs...
> "Don't Just Stand There'...and a few others I can't remember
> off-hand....the other back-up singers were Bernadette Carroll
> and Peggy Santiglia...we recorded Patty's stuff around the same
> time we did Lou Christie's "Lightning Strikes".....thanks for
> your interest....
Don't know about the rest of the album, but the BG's on the
"Lightning Strikes" single included Toni Wine and Ellie
Greenwich. It's possible that Denise was also on that date,
(Toni's memory can be foggy, but she has no trouble recognizing
her own voice on the bottom of this track) but improbable that
all three girls (Denise, Bernadette and Peggy) were. Toni and
Ellie can also be heard on Lou's not-quite-a-hit but great
nevertheless "I'm Gonna Make You Mine," one of her favorites.
Speaking of favorites, and continuing another thread, one of her
other favorites is the Cookie's "I Never Dreamed," which she
recently performed (on last January's Oldies Cruise) as an
impromptu duet with Alex Chilton. Should have had the tape going
for that one.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:37:03 -0400
From: Frederick Blackmon
Subject: Jaedes Album 1969
To Spectropop:
My name is Frederick Blackmon, and I am responding to an
e-mail inquiry to Spectropop from Nick Archer concerning The
Jaedes 1969 album. I was a cofounding member and songwriter
with that group, so it is a great pleasure to hear of Mr.
Archer’s interest.
The Jaedes were composed of five guys who met at Stillman
College, Tuscaloosa, Alabama in 1968. All of us were musical
and loved singing. Our voices blended well so we decided to
form a vocal group like so many young men of that time period.
A booking agent and manager from Tuscaloosa heard us sing and
signed us to a contract with him. His name was William Mitchell
and he helped us tremendously in getting bookings all over the
south. On one particular booking, a little known band at the
time from Tuskegee, Alabama, called the Commodores backed us in
a performance in Mobile, Alabama in 1968.
Back then, we never would have imagined those guys, along with
Lionel Ritchie, would go on to be such international stars.
During the years 1968 to 1971, The Jaedes performed on shows with
many great acts such as The Drifters, The Showmen, Percy Sledge,
The Platters and many more legendary acts. We also performed as
a complete show, usually with a four piece rhythm section and
The Jaedes - performing vocally with choreography. We were hot,
and by 1969, could hold our own with anybody in the business.
Around the early part of 1969, The Jaedes performed at a frat
house on the campus of Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee.
The drummer for our backup band asked if we were interested in
recording. He knew of a label there in Nashville, who might be
interested in a good R&B act. We said "yes", of course. Richard
Powell, a producer and arranger for the Athena label auditioned
us and liked what he heard. The very next week, we signed with
Athena and produced one 45 and one album with that company. The
album was finished around August of 1969. The 45 cut, "Uh, Uh,
What Did I Do" was released first, then the album followed. The
Jaedes were elated - our first album. Athena, as you probably know,
was an independent label competing against major labels. We never
made the charts in the U.S. Europe, however, is a different story.
As late as 1999, the album was Number 10 on Andreas Knaufs’ play
list in Frankfurt, Germany. It is still selling in the United
Kingdom and Germany.
Sadly, The Jaedes broke up after all of us graduated from Stillman
College in 1971. Athena Records also disbanded after internal
discord during the early 1970s. It's a shame. Richard Powell was
a great string and horn arranger along with my original songs and
tight rhythm arrangements.
I am the only member performing now as I present a vocal and keyboard
presentation here in Hollywood, Florida. I also teach school. The
other guys live in Tampa, Florida, Alabama, and the Washington, D.C.
area. I know all of them would be thrilled at your interest in The
Jaedes album. So many people have told me how much they enjoy the
songs. They consider the album an underground hit.
The Jaedes members are: Fred Jennings, Naaman Johnson, Earnest
Baskerville, and Curtis Jones (deceased).
Please contact me via e-mail. I hope to hear from you soon.
Frederick Blackmon
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:32:51 +0200
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
Subject: Re: Toni Wine chimes in
Allan Rinde wrote:
> Speaking of favorites, and continuing another thread, one of
> (Toni's)other favorites is the Cookies' "I Never Dreamed,"
> which she recently performed (on last January's Oldies Cruise)
> as an impromptu duet with Alex Chilton. Should have had the tape
> going for that one.
Hello!
Bloody hell! Sounds absolutely fantastic! :)
Take care,
Sebastian
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:39:15 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Burt Bacharach
An amazing new Bacharach compilation has just come to my
attention and I don't think it's been discussed here yet.
It's entitled "Rare Bacharach" and is brought to us by the
good people at Raven Records http://www.ravenrecords.com.au/
Not only is this a compilation of rare Bacharach & David tracks,
it's actually two discs' worth! I haven't bought it yet (not
cheap on import) but the track listing is absolutely mouth-
watering. Pop over to the Raven site now and you'll see what
I mean. Anyone got this yet?
Guy.
TweedleeDumsDrive-In@yahoogroups.com
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:49:31 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Righteous Brothers/Johnnie Wimber/Jack Nitzsche
Peter Richmond wrote:
> Jack Nitzsche, Jack Nitzsche, Jack Nitzsche!
Well done Pete! You managed to include more Jack Nitzsches
than I ever have, thanks! Thanks also for the details of
Moonglow 239, "You Can Have Her" - my (regular) copy credits
Ahmet Ertegun as producer but has no arranger credit.
I'll update Nitzsche's discography next week and include this,
along with Sammi Lynn's original release on Staccato of "You
Should Know I'm Still Your Baby", which unlike the Sue reissue,
credits Jack as arranger.
Martin
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:27:50 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Re: The Cat Came Back
Martin wrote:
> .....Music City" reminds me of a song that contains the
> lyric, "and the cat came back", can someone put me out of
> my misery and remind me which one, please!)
Hate to see a man in misery.......would it be "Big Daddy &
the Cat", by the Blackwells (Jamie/London)?
Ian
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:30:20 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: Origins of "High Coin"
Art Longmire wrote:
> Does anybody know who was the first to record the song
> "High Coin" that was written by Van Dyke Parks? ...I'm
> wondering what other acts have recorded this song.
An interesting question and I'm sure others here can provide
a pretty definitive list. I've often wondered why this song
was recorded by so many artists. Compared to other much-covered
slices of LA pop, its ubiquity seems intriguing. Take, for
instance, Bonner and Gordon's "Me About You", the many recordings
of which have been documented here in the past. It's easy to see
why so many artists covered the song - Bonner and Gordon were a
hot team after the success of "Happy Together" and despite the
fact that the song was never a big hit, it sounds like it should
have been.
"Hey Joe" was another LA anthem that fits into the same bracket.
Compared to these two, "High Coin" is a slight, whimsical kind of
song. I can sense that it would be a lovely piece of music to play
for anybody well schooled in guitar picking but some other factor
must explain how it became what the great Brian Hogg called "a
"Louie Louie" in minature".
Guy.
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:27:57 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Jaedes Album 1969
This is interesting - there's a 45 - "Hotter Than Fire" on
CHERRY RED 144 - by The Jades and the Northern scene always
says it's The Commodores!
Does this mean (gulp!) they're WRONG!!??
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