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Volume #0137 September 4, 1998
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Danny D. Thanx Thee
Subject: ELLIE & G.G.'s
Sent: 09/03/98 4:45 am
Received: 09/03/98 7:25 am
From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Hi Mark (Philles Phanatic)...
and thanks for the assessment re Ellie's song, but I don't recall
mentioning who the (incorrect) producer was. It must have been
another contributor. : )
I'm glad to see "Jimmy Boy" on your list! What a song...
Best to all,
Jimmy (Boy)
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Subject: Ellie G.
Sent: 09/01/98 11:04 am
Received: 09/04/98 12:30 am
From: Mark Landwehr, mslXXXX@XXXbs.com
To: Spectropop List, SpectroXXXX@XXXties.com
> 'Can any of you tell me what Ellie Greenwich's 1967 United Artists
> single (prod. by Bob Gaudio) of 'I Want You To be My Baby' sounds
> like. I wonder how similar it is to Billie Davis' 1968 UK hit
> version'.
>
To add my two cents....
The record you mention (UA 50151) was produced by Bob Crewe, not
Gaudio, and is a loud, brassy number, horns & saxes galore -
Rhythm not unlike Shirley Ellis' "The Clapping Song" - With a
bunch of background singers singing, screaming, etc, and Ellie's
raspy "singing" (if you could call it that), this song could
replace coffee as a morning waker-upper. Ellie's done better...A
Spector imitation gone amuck. But, that's my opinion...
Not familiar with the Davis UK version, but it HAS to be better...
Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about Tracey Ullman.
Spectropop does it again!!!!
Mark (Philles Phanatic)
http://www.toltbbs.com/~msland/Spector/
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Subject: Phil Spector album
Sent: 09/03/98 10:40 am
Received: 09/04/98 12:30 am
From: james fisher, JHFAXXXX@XXX.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
I bought a Phil LP (vinyl) about 20 years ago,called "Phil Spector
echoes of the 60's"--it's on the "Phil Spector International" label
#2307013...has 20 of his major songs on it. My question is: is this
a rare one or is it a common Greatest Hits kind of thing? It is an
English pressing though I bought it here. I'm just curious since I
don't play it any more (I just about wore it out back in the pre-CD
days!) Anyone familiar with this one? Jim.
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0135
Sent: 09/02/98 5:04 am
Received: 09/04/98 12:30 am
From: CHARLES THOMPSON, CHAZTHOMPXXXX@XXXgy.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
I've been reading all the messages over the last couple of months
but have never responded myself..... Have been a big fan and
collector of Girl Group recordings since the late 60's. My top 10
list of favorites are (in no particular order:
1. BE MY BABY ........Ronettes
2. HE'S SURE THE BOY I LOVE ......Crystals
3. I ADORE HIM ......Angels
4. HE'S MINE .....Alice Wonderland
5. THE WEDDING .......Julie Rogers
6. COMIN' ON STRONG .......Brenda Lee
7. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT GOING IN MY MIND BUT ME ....Chiffons
8. BACK IN MY ARMS AGAIN .......Supremes
9. WALKING IN THE RAIN ......Ronettes
10. TAR AND CEMENT ......(Verna or Vera somebody, or somebody Verna,
.....I don't have that one and would appreciate if someone could
tell me who sang this, and where I could find it on CD.....if it's
even on CD)
There are way too many favorites to think about, including
anything by 'the Breakaways', 'the Secrets', or 'the Exciters' (
and just about everything produced by Phil Spector)
Keep up the good work. I really look forward to reading the
Spectropop!!!!
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0136
Sent: 09/03/98 12:49 am
Received: 09/03/98 7:25 am
From: Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
10 GG faves....I'll avoid the obvious choises.
Egyptian Shumba Tammys
(Gotta be #1 on any list!)
All Grown Up Crystals (unreleased version)
Army Green Dale Brooks
Don't Drag No More Donna Lynn
Let's Fall In Love Linda Scott
Ska-Doo-Dee-Ya Tracy Dey
Be The Adorables
Get Rid of Him Bernadette Castro
Eenie-Meanie Gypsaleenie Debonaires
Central Park Arrest Thunderthighs
I've Got A Secret Shepherd Sisters
Dime A Dozen Diane Reany
I've Got a Dream Diane Renay
What Does A Girl Do Marcie Blain
Just a few personal faves.
Doc
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0136
Sent: 09/03/98 2:04 am
Received: 09/03/98 7:25 am
From: R Teyes, RTeXXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
For Mark and the rest of the Philles Lovers:
The reasons these records are coming out now (Philles stuff) are
many: Joan and Danny were not the only people employed by Phil.
There was Robert Kirstein in LA, Carol Smith in NYC, Val Irving in
NYC and don't forget Estelle Bennett's beau think his name was Don.
Don had free access to Phil's stuff in NYC..he gave me my 2 copies
of the dj I Can hear Music..in 1966 I think..Val gave me many
promos of the Ronettes along with pictures, etc. I remember Val
giving a promo of lenny Bruce to a musician in A&R studios..he
only had 2 copies of that...also, when Phil left the 62nd st
office here in NYC, I went and took everything i could keep on
Philles...the same day the movers came...there were boxes of 45
and lps with only the yellow/red label and NO titles..that was
strange but so was Phil..people don't realize or remember that
Phil would go into Mira or A&R and record one song for a friend
and make either one or two copies of the 45 or the lp as a gift..I
recall he recorded Happy Birthday with a studio chorus as a gift
for his lawyer's daughter and he printed ONE copy under the red/
yellow Philles and put his picture on the label..now THAT should
cost some money! I'm not surprised these things are surfacing...
Robert the Ronette Hound.
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Subject: Re: Where did they come from?
Sent: 09/04/98 1:21 am
Received: 09/04/98 12:30 am
From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com
To: SPECTROPOP, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Mark Landwehr wrote:
>This may be a subject of limited interest
Not to me! I was very intrigued by your post.
>In the past few years, many previously
>unheard-of Philles Records releases have surfaced..
>.The Phil Spector Spectacular LP,
What is this? I recall seeing a boot CD of this name, but checking
the titles, it appeared as though all the material was previously
issued. Surely this was not originally a Philles release???
>"Thanks For Giving Me the Right Time" single
I read about this on your site, and I am very curious about this
too. An unreleased Righteous Brothers track? There is no record of
this in the Mother Bertha publishing catalog, although Spector was
co-writing with Jeff & Ellie around this time. Can you pinpoint
the writing style? Or, is it a cover (as in White Cliffs, etc.)?
Another intriguing track is Please Let Me Be Your Boyfriend, which
appears to be an early New York session by the Crystals. Anyone
have more info on this? Could this be an AKA for I Want You To Be
My Boyfriend (Spector/Greenwich/Barry)?
How about That's What Girls Are For (Spector/Greenwich/Barry)?
>most recently, a stock copy of "Stumble and Fall"
I have had a stock copy (yellow and red label) of Stumble & Fall
for years. Paid a pretty price for it too, and I am convinced it
is not a boot. It was in poor condition when I bought it, and it
was not part of my Fox acquisition (see below).
>legitimate Philles colored-vinyl platters (not the popular
>bootlegs).
I have never seen a colored vinyl Philles record, boot or
otherwise. What do you mean "not the *popular* bootlegs"???
>Before purchasing the "Thanks..." single, I discussed this with a
>well-known collector/dealer who said it was the result of a
>Spector "insider" who had access to these items and had decided to
>sell them to collectors...I assumed it was probably Phil's former
>secretary, Joan Berg. However, everything I've seen of these "new"
>issues shows that they were pressed on the west coast (thick line
>under the logo), and Joan quit Spector and stayed in NYC after
>Phil moved to CA, so it might not be her...How about Phil's promo
>man, Danny Davis???? Or one of the Wrecking Crew???
I can tell you that when I acquired the bulk of my Philles 45s,
the source of them was someone named Fox. At the time, I was told
that Fox was one of Spector's attorneys during the Philles heyday.
The singles are all mint and appear to have NEVER been played
before. Many are blue label promos, although some are on the stock
red and yellow label. Several have a little plastic label on them
that says FOX. So, I would guess you are right in surmising that
"insiders" holding these records decided to sell them off.
Now that you bring up Spector boots, is there a comprehensive list
out there somewhere? If not, let's compile one here on Spectropop.
Some other mysterious Spector songs (artist):
Hey, Little Girl (Phil Spector) (This one is pure genius)
It's That Kind Of Day (Phil Spector)
Don't Take Your Love From Me (???)
Everything's Gonna Be Alright(???)
He Loves Me I Can Tell (???)
I Don't Know Why (???)
Others?
I am very interested in these unheard (by me) tracks by Spector.
Look forward to further comment from the keepers of the flame...
All the best,
Jamie
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Subject: top 10
Sent: 09/02/98 11:35 am
Received: 09/03/98 7:24 am
From: john rausch, jXXXX@XXXnet
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Jimmy Cresitelli says:
>And here's my Top 10.Da Doo Ron Ron-- Crystals. My all-time Number
>One, actually
...oh yeah...w/out a doubt!
>He's Sure the Boy I Love-- Darlene Love & the Blossoms. I love
>spoken intros!
...gotta love the way she says "rish and shtrong"
>A Little Love Can Go A Long, Long Way-- Alder Ray. The most
>perfect example of how "Saturday Night tent-revival gospel"
>influenced the girl-group sound. This is a PERFECT song.
...alot or the early gg songs have that "sound" i never thought
about this one but you are right.
>Oh Donnie-- The Secrets. Greasy, sexy, dirty... fabulous!
...never heard this one...is it the same "boy next door" secrets?
Jack Madani says about t,ullmans sunglasses; It's included on the
cd of You Caught Me Out. It features a lot of nice touches that
makes it quite worthwhile to have...any idea where i can find this?
and to claudia cunningham (any relation to ritchie?) brenda & the
tabulations did "right on the tip of my tongue and patty & the
emblems did "mixed up shook up girl" and THE PONYTAILS ("BORN TOO
LATE")..WHAT A SONG! this gg hails from cleveland ohio, 20 minutes
from me. saw one of the girls from the group once at a cleveland
record show.
>ROSIE AND THE ORIGINALS ("ANGEL BABY")...WORD IS THAT "ROSIE"
>NEVER HAD A FOLLOW UP SONG BECAUSE ROSIE WAS REALLY A BOY AND HIS
>VOICE CHANGED!!
wow, never heard that one before.
>THE GOLDEN AGE OF TOP 40 WAS A ONCE IN
>A LIFETIME THING WHICH WE WERE PRIVILEGED TO LIVE THROUGH. IT WILL
>NEVER COME AGAIN
you are right claudia, there was even a spector type mag out awhile
ago featuring our topics called "that will never happen again"
love this list...
jonr
Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/
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Subject: Top 10 Girl Group songs
Sent: 09/03/98 11:03 am
Received: 09/04/98 12:30 am
From: james fisher, JHFAXXXX@XXX.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Am I too late to get in on
the above? If not then these would be some of my picks:
1. Then he kissed me,crystals. 2. Be my baby,ronettes.3. Da doo
ron ron,crystals.4.he's a rebel,crystals.5.will you still...
shirelles. 6. do I love you? ronettes.......in fact just about
anything from the girls above and a gold star to anything that Hal
Blaine plays on....
By the way,I work just around the corner from Fairfax High--Phil's
old school. I don't think any of the kids there now have ever heard
of him....more's the pity.
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