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Volume #0160 October 5, 1998
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Crisp, clear, sparkling - Perfect even at high volume
Subject: Darlene & R&R Hall of Fame
Sent: 10/03/98 6:27 am
Received: 10/03/98 10:08 am
From: David Feldman, feldXXXX@XXXderables.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
>Just heard that Darlene Love has been nominated for induction into
>the RnR Hall of Fame...WELL, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!
Mark,
Darlene mentioned this at her NYC Barnes & Noble appearance, with
obvious pride and no bitterness.
Dave Feldman
CD of the Week: Teatro (Willie Nelson)
Liver of the Week: Chopped
Annoyance of the Month: Humidity (NOT the heat)
Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
"http://www.imponderables.com"
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Subject: Darlene and Dusty
Sent: 10/03/98 1:41 am
Received: 10/03/98 10:08 am
From: James Cassidy, casswriXXXX@XXXlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Mark Landwehr wrote about Darlene Love's well-deserved nomination
for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Another fabulous thrush
nominated this year is Dusty Springfield, who certainly deserves
inclusion.
Who else but Dusty could do such an outstanding job in such a wide
variety of musical genres -- from Spector rock ("Stay Awhile") to
Burt B. sophistication ("Look of Love") to Euro/cabaret pop ("You
Don't Have to Say You Love Me") to Memphis soul ("Son of a
Preacher Man") to Philly soul ("Brand New Me," "Silly, Silly Fool")
to Randy Newman to the Pet Shop Boys?
Especially considering her recent health problems, the R&RHOF
would do well to give this fine singer the recognition she merits.
Jim Cassidy
P.S. This is my first post. Be gentle with me.
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Subject: free design sight unseen
Sent: 10/04/98 12:41 am
Received: 10/04/98 11:17 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Just wanted to mention that I've ordered the Free Design comp disc
without having had a chance to hear it. But David Bash thought it
was good, so that's good enough for me. I'll report when I get it.
taking on faith the recommendations of people whose tastes you
trust rules!
er, you get my meaning, I hope....
jack
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
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"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
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Subject: Musings for All Readers...
Sent: 10/04/98 3:51 am
Received: 10/04/98 11:17 am
From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Glad to hear Darlene has finally been inducted into the Hall of
Fame! God, the woman is almost 60 years old, and STILL HAS THAT
THUNDERSTORM VOICE!!!!! We love her.
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For John Rausch: Fave Spector cover? I always liked the Beach Boys
doing "I Can Hear Music..." But that's not really a "Spector"
original, is it?
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Merry Clayton talk... she's fabulous, and I have the "LOP" cast
album too, and I didn't think I was crazy... that was definitely
Darlene up there yelling her head off. Maybe Merry DID fill in
once in a while! That happens on Broadway a lot. remember when Eve
Harrington filled in for Margo Channing in "All About Eve?" All
hell broke loose after that, and Eve ended up winning the Sarah
Siddons Award. But I digress.
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Listening to the Crystals' "Da Doo Ron Ron," up close and personal
with the headphones, I can hear what Darlene has always said: way
deep down inside, you can hear a "ghost" of her lead behind La La
Brooks. Hasd anyone ever listened that closely? Turn up the treble
a little, and concentrate... there's Darlene!
*************Have a great weekend, everybody! *************
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Subject: Re: Spector Covers
Sent: 10/05/98 9:50 am
Received: 10/05/98 10:32 pm
From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
john rausch wrote:
>...i was completely blown away by a version of the Ronettes
>"do i love you" done by Bill Deal and the Rhondells, wow, 100
>times better than the one done by Jay and the Americans. Just
>wondering if anyone else has a fave spector cover they would
>like to share?
OK. You asked for it! :-)
First of all, there are very few Spector covers that even come
close to his originals. The CD "I Can Hear Music" The Songs of
Greenwich and Barry has several modern Spector covers, and while
the CD itself is wonderful, the Spector covers are all rather
mediocre. The one Spector cover that in my mind exceeds the
original is I Can Hear Music by the Beach Boys, and as we all know
that was merely co-written by Spector and his role on the Ronettes
version was as the executive producer. Carl Wilson's vocal is just
fantastic, and the track is more like Spector than the Ronettes
version is. Jeff Barry did the Ronettes track and it is no
surprise that it sounds more like the Dixie Cups than the Ronettes.
It is a shame that I Can Hear Music by the Ronettes is now a
very hard to find recording. It was on the PSI Volume 4 LP, but as
far as I know it isn't currently available anywhere legitimately.
It is on the Marginal "Ultimate Ronettes" CD, though. Other
Spector covers by the Beach Boys (Be My Baby and You've Lost That
Lovin Feeling) are absolutely pathetic. So is On Broadway for that
matter. All IMHO, of course!
If you can call Twist & Shout by the Isleys and later the Beatles
"Spector covers," then without a doubt the covers are way, way
superior to the original Top Notes version. What the heck was
Phillip thinking???? Anyway, you can't bat 1000 all the time;
Twist & Shout was a misconceived attempt and should be chalked up
to a learning experience. It was, after all, early days for Mr.
Spector.
Jay & the Americans are hard for me to talk about, because
although I love their records and particularly the signature
Leiber/Stoller touches, Jay's voice grates on my ears. He makes
everything sound so damned MOR. His "cover" of Things are Changing
is embarrassing (even though it uses the original track)! I would
love to be convinced otherwise, so anyone with a different opinion,
please post!
As to Bill Deal & the Rhondells, I think someone else on the list
is more qualified than I to talk about it, but I will say, what
the heck was that crappy version of You Baby by the Lovin'
Spoonful all about? What was the point? Album filler, I suppose,
but it is on all their greatest hits packages. Kinda makes you
wonder.
Finally, speaking of wondering, which version of I Wonder do all
you Spectropoppers prefer? Crystals or Ronettes? Love to hear
your opinions!
--
le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com
RodeoDrive/5030
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Subject: Re: new Bacharach/Costello album
Sent: 10/05/98 6:50 am
Received: 10/05/98 10:31 pm
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
dave prokopy writes:
>the music, of course, is classic bacharach, right down to the
>flugal horns.
So Dave, do those horns impart a flugue-like feel to the songs?
jack "david leaf" madani
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"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
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Subject: Re: New Colony Six
Sent: 10/03/98 6:50 am
Received: 10/03/98 10:08 am
From: Big L, biXXXX@XXXtmail.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
>>>>Didn't the New Colony Six also have the pretty,
>>>>"I Will Always Think About You" in 1968?
Personally, I have always viewed songs like this as an offshoot of
the Jimmy Webb Sound, which first hit radio in 1966 with Johnny
Rivers' "Poor Side Of Town." I don't see Sgt. Peppers as having
much to do with the sound of Top 40 radio. What DID happen was a
large, gradual splintering of the genre. Atlantic soul, Philly
soul, soft adult rock records, bubblegum. Showbizzy groups like
the Fifth Dimension. Most of the hard rock went to FM, with the so
called underground stations.
Actually, airplay of the Monkees album cuts probably had more
impact on AM Top 40 radio than St. Pepper did.
==
Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
biXXXX@XXXtmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816
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Subject: Red Bird
Sent: 10/05/98 9:18 pm
Received: 10/05/98 10:31 pm
From: Kieron Tyler, kierXXXX@XXX.org.uk
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
I've got a European 4CD Red Bird set on Charly. Must have come out
about 3 or so years ago. Sound is good although the liners appear
to be some reprinted magazine articles which don't necessarily
address the contents of the discs themselves...
I just got a tape of 'Hey You Lolita' by The Silence which
purports to have been issued on Red Bird, I'd guess after Lieber
and Stoller sold out to George Goldner. Has anyone ever heard of
this? Did it actually come out on Red Bird? It's good in a
Strangeloves type way.
All the best, Kieron.
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Subject: Red Bird Set
Sent: 10/03/98 4:15 am
Received: 10/03/98 10:08 am
From: David Marsteller, davebXXXX@XXXflin.org
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
On Sat, 03 Oct 1998, Spectropop List wrote:
> Doc wrote:
>
>>I've heard tell of a European two-CD, 60-track set of Red
>>Bird/Blue Cat material, label unknown.
>
I'm not sure about a 2 CD set, but I have a 4 CD set that Charly
put out a number of years ago. It's got 90-something tracks...
Dave
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Subject: The Hook
Sent: 10/04/98 9:10 pm
Received: 10/05/98 7:34 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
A few weeks back I was watching a show, I think it was one of
those Behind The Music things on VH-1, about Sonny Bono. The parts
about his getting into the music scene in general and working with
Spector in particular were very interesting. But by far, the part
that transfixed me instantly was when Sonny was talking about
listening to the mixdown of I Got You Babe for the first time, and
he said something like, "...it was great, everything worked on it
just the way I wanted to, I mean the oboe hook worked just the way
it was supposed to...."
Which suddenly drove home for me the fact that Sonny knew EXACTLY
what he was doing with that oboe hook on the choruses.
Which led me to start thinking about the whole phenomenon of
"hooks," and how impossible it is to define or constrain what a
successful hook can be. Long ago I saw Mac Davis talking about how
a record exec told him that his songs didn't have any hooks, you
gotta have a song with a hook, and Mac wasn't sure what he meant
but he went away and then came back with a new song, Baby Baby
Don't Get Hooked On Me....
Seems like ANYthing can end up being a hook, can be something in
the instrumentation or in the lyrics or in the backing vocals, but
I did get to wondering, just how often is the hook a premeditated
thing? Is it always, or mostly, or half the time, or what?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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