_________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ _________________________________________________________ Volume #0169 October 19, 1998 _________________________________________________________ featuring radio and recording favorites Subject: Hello everyone! Sent: 10/17/98 8:20 am Received: 10/17/98 10:31 am From: Barbara Alston, BARBTXXXX@XXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Hello everyone! Thank you all for a very warm welcome and I hope to be able to contribute to this wonderful group. And a special thanks to Tom and Dave. Barbara Alston --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: B.C. (before "Candida") Sent: 10/17/98 2:52 pm Received: 10/17/98 8:07 pm From: Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXX@XXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com <<"an early Dawn recording" (before Tony Orlando came along)>> Don't know about the Debonaires, but the girls who became Dawn reportedly sing backup on an early Funkadelic single. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: pre-dawn Sent: 10/17/98 10:55 pm Received: 10/18/98 7:15 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com As good a time as any to point to Tony Orlando's "Bless You" as one of the great early Goffin/King Brill Building records. -- le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com RodeoDrive/5030 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: GG addenda Sent: 10/17/98 6:09 am Received: 10/17/98 8:07 pm From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Doc Rock's list referred to this title: "You Can Be Wrong About Boys" I assume he's referring to Here Come The Girls Vol.4, which I heartily recommend and which includes Julie Grant's totally outstanding Tony Hatch-produced "Lonely Without You." Now here's the confusing part: "You Can Be Wrong About Boys" was originally vol. 4 of the Here Come The Girls series, an import (here in the US) from British label Sequel. However, it was also issued stateside as "Here Come The Girls Vol.1" and it was given the catalog number Sequel 1012-2. I bought it at a Borders and it was how I got hooked into the HCTG series. I guess its strength was the reason that it was issued first in the US; however, I guess it didn't sell that well, because no others in the series were reissued with a new numbering. So You Can Be Wrong About Boys is volume 4 of the Here Come the Girls Series, but it also might be volume 1, even though there's another volume 1. Oi. It's too complicated. Two more recommendations, both on RPM records from the UK: Dream Babes vol.1: Am I Dreaming? (RPM 137) 24 cuts, described thus no the back of the disc: "Presenting two dozen long-forgotten classics from the sixties, the Golden Age of the British Girl sound. Folk, Rock, Soul Stompers, string-driven Ballads, teen-dream Pop, and even Northern Soul, the UK Girl sound effectively soundtracked the sixties: you'll find them all on this CD, which was specially researched, compiled and sleevenoted for RPM by St. Etienne's self-confessed Brit Girl fanatic Bob Stanley. ..." jack sez: it's pretty damn good. Julie Grant: Count On Me! Complete Pye Sessions (RPM 133) Personal faves, in addition to Lonely Without You, are Hello Love, a groovy cover of Up On the Roof, Watch What You Do With My Baby, and a cover of Baby Baby ("I still love you...."). By the way, RPM has a terrific web site (www.rpmrecords.co.uk/), with great pix. They got a couple of Timi Yuro, Doc, including one she did for some kind of teen bra company. Quel hoot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road, Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Not very gg-ish Sent: 10/17/98 3:04 pm Received: 10/17/98 8:07 pm From: Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXX@XXXom To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com <> It's a great compilation, but very little of it sounds at all like girl groups. It leans more towards Southern soul; the sisters (mostly solo) sing more often like women than girls. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: starter set (training bra) Sent: 10/18/98 4:48 am Received: 10/18/98 7:15 am From: Greg Liebzeit, gliebzXXXX@XXX.com To: Spectro Pop, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Jack wrote:>... in fact I wonder if we on the list might want to use the >opportunity to put together a sort of primer, a list of albums >for various categories of spectacular retro pop, that would get >added to the Spectropop web site. Thanks for the quick response to my girl group query and the great idea that you presented to the list! I'm really going to try to locate a couple of the anthologies that you mentioned... specifically "Growing Up Too Fast..." and "Best of the Crystals". Thanks! Greg L --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: dream boy Sent: 10/18/98 1:43 am Received: 10/18/98 7:15 am From: john rausch, jXXXX@XXXnet To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com hi jack I have the volume one dream boy cd you were asking about. The tracks include: too late to be lovers-cathy brasher hey little star-ann margret ridin on a rainbow-susan wayne football seasons over-shelley fabares please dont talk to the lifeguard-andrea carroll all over again-jill jackson dream boy-roberta wynn sh...listen-cathy brasher when love goes wrong-dean cannon lonely footsteps-ruth ann and the footsteps listen to the beat-carol conners im a lookin for blue eyes-cyd and cheri all winter long-linda laurie i cant go out tonight-jackie and gayle just think of me-crystallettes a kiss to remember you by-susan rafey cha cha charming-ellie gaye(ellie greenwich) seven days in september-ginger and the snaps(honeys) im sorry i went-cannon sisters too late to be lovers-courtney rain all in all a very good disc, if you would like a tape let me know via my email and we can work something out. I have been interested in the "back to the girl zone" for awhile now but have no idea what the line up is. also another cd set to recommend is the "marcie blaine meets tracey dey" collection ...also on the marginal label. what a great group we have here guys and girls! also a warm welcome to barbara alston. jonr Presenting the Fabulous RonettXXXX@XXX://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Three Barbs Plus Sent: 10/17/98 5:53 am Received: 10/17/98 10:31 am From: CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, TPXXXX@XXX.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com I was wondering if anyone knows what has become of the Three Barbs: Philadelphian Barbara Mason ("Yes, I'm Ready", "Sad, Sad Girl"); Detroit's Barbara Lewis ("Baby, I'm Yours", "Make Me Your Baby", "Hello Stranger", "Make Me Belong to You") and Barbara George ("I Know"). AND speaking of solo girl performers I wonder what's up with Ketty Lester ("Love Letters"); Brooklyn-born Linda Sampson a/k/a Linda Scott ("A Thousand Stars", "Don't Bet Money Honey"); comic Slappy White's missus, LaVerne Baker ("Tweedly Dee"). As a last remark, does anyone remember the girl group known as The Pixies Three who had a tune out in 1963 called "Birthday Party"? If so, what's up with them? Claudia --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Schermie and Richie Sent: 10/17/98 10:55 pm Received: 10/18/98 7:15 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com Rich Briere wrote: Does anyone know what became of the members of Three Dog Night's "band"? I'd really like to know about Joe Schermie, the bass player. I was listening to some pre-Jeremia music recently and these guys really cooked. Hi Rich, I don't know any specifics, but Joe Schermie was a name often heard in LA around the late 70's, early 80's. Rumor was that Joe was pretty much snowed under around that time, and his reputation as a respected bass player too was legendary. I also wonder what eventually happened to him. Three Dog Night certainly qualify as a chapter of the 60's LA music scene. The tail end of the story, no doubt, but still an important part. The first I knew of any of these guys was the Danny Hutton 45 Roses and Rainbows; a fairly large hit in the Los Angeles area. Next was Funny How Love Can Be, with a bizarre arrangement by Gene Page. I later found out the original version was a ballad by Ivy League (who also penned My World Fell Down). Much, much later I learned of the Laurel Canyon/Brian Wilson/ Redwood connection, but on its own Funny How Love Can Be was simply a very, very interesting 45. I confess the recordings of Three Dog Night fall just outside my list of favorites, but two things make their recordings quite interesting. Firstly, Three Dog Night always recorded top notch material. That in itself makes their body of work worthwhile. There was the little known Lennon/McCartney tune "It's For You." There was "One." There Was Randy Newman. Laura Nyro. Great, great songwriting. In addition, gotta give credit to Richie Podolor and his engineer buddy Bill Cooper at American Recording. Anyone know if American has always been up near Mullholland just off Topanga Canyon? If so, is this the same room as the 60's Podolor productions? Anyone know what these two were up to before Podolor did Three Dog Night (Music-wise, that is!)? I think Richie and Bill played on earlier LA pop sessions. Anyone? Richie and Bill were "outside-the-mainstream" LA hitmakers. That's a very cool study in itself. Would love to learn more. Finally, I am pretty sure most of us know the Celebrate 2 CD set. If not, it is a perfect overview of their work, and includes the much talked-about Time To Get Alone track on it. There's been talk here on how CDs often don't sound as good as the records... well, this is an example of excellent handling of the archival research and mastering. The tracks sound very true, thankfully mono single mixes are used rather than the stereo LP versions, and overall, the remastering is very well done and a good example of how to reissue recordings. My only complaint is the artwork. But then, at least it is consistent. Three Dog Night album covers were never all that good to begin with. -- le_page_XXXX@XXXties.com RodeoDrive/5030 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Compression Sent: 10/17/98 10:18 am Received: 10/17/98 10:31 am From: john rausch, jXXXX@XXXnet To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com I don't think this is right. To the best of my knowledge, no compression is employed in placing music on CDs -- sampling, yes, but not compression. One of the most common knocks against both the DCC and Minidisc formats is that they use compression, thereby actually losing some piece of the music (their proponents contend the lost parts were inaudible, but that hasn't been my experience). But I thought CDs were supposed to pick up everything, without any loss of "overtones and undertones." Is my impression wrong? Can somebody with some greater technical knowledge clear this up? ...The beauty found in the songs that you remember that is missing, in CDs that DO digitally duplicate original (master recordings), is lost because of lack of compression. Compression is used to boost low level signals up to near peak levels. This same technique is currently used on television commercials. You've noticed LOUD commercials on TV? They're not really louder; that's governed by the FCC. THEY'RE compressed! Low level signals are raised to the "needle", and so on. Kinda cool, huh? Unfortunately (or not) many CDs aren't made from the released versions. They're made from the ORIGINAL MASTERS, not the released [mixes]. ...from a newcomer co: jonr --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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