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Volume #0020 11/24/97
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The Teenager Records Made For The Hit Parade
Subject: a technical note
Sent: 11/21/97 4:14 PM
Received: 11/22/97 1:06 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
spectropop,spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com,Internet writes:
>those are 1996 electrons moving through 1996 wires,
>producing 1996 sound waves travelling in a 1996 echo chamber or digital
>effects processor, being recorded with 1996 microphones onto a 1996
>digital tape.
Actually, those electrons date from the creation of the universe, when
*everything* was in mono.
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Alive And Well In The Southeast
Sent: 11/22/97 12:58 AM
Received: 11/22/97 3:03 AM
From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
The sound of the sixties is very prevalent in the Virginia-NC-SC area...
and it's all due to the phenomenum called "beach music" or "shag music".
Back in the 50's, the southern stations wouldn't play the black R&B songs
on the radio but the southern white college kids, especially the ones who
attended northern universities or southern schools with large amounts of
northern students, such as Vanderbilt or the University of Virginia, were
becoming aware of such groups and arists as Joe Turner, Ruth Brown, Ivory
Joe Hunter, The Crows, The Five Satins, etc.
Now many of these kids hung out at Virginia and Myrtle Beach during the
summer and the club and pavilion owners began to cater to their musical
tastes by loading up their jukeboxes with R&B numbers. The kids even
made up their own dance...called The Shag...which is sort of a sexy,
cleaned up version of the jitterbug...and practiced their dancing at the
various beach clubs.
Without going into a long-winded essay on beach music and The Shag, it is
now more popular than ever before. There are hundreds of shag clubs, now
stetching as far as California and tons of deejays who play nothing but
that kind of music. Jackie Wilson, Barbara Lewis, LaVerne Baker, all the
Motown artists, The Clovers, Drifters, etc. are widely played at parties
and there are a ton of big-money shag contests everywhere.
In April and September there is a huge convention at North Myrtle Beach
(which used to be called Ocean Drive, or just O.D. in the old days). The
convention is called S.O.S. (Society of Stranders), lasts for 10 days,
and is attended by 10,000-15,000 people who do nothing but party and
dance for the week.
During the 60's and 70's, a fair number of bands developed throughout the
southeast who specialize in beach music...The Catalinas, Embers,
Rhondels, Entertainers, Swinging Medallions, and a few more. Some even
had a few national hits.
For those who want to get a feel for what goes on down here in the
boondocks, you might want to check out
http://www.shagger.com. They have a lot
of good stuff plus a current Top
40 of what the deejays are playing these days.
There is also a record company located in SC called Ripete Records...I
think they are also on the web...not sure. Try http://www.ripete.com
and
see if anything happens.
Also, you might want to go down to your local video store and rent the
movie "Shag" which was made a few years ago. The movie itself is fairly
forgettable but some of the shag-dancing scenes are not bad.
Finally...and then I'll shut up...I promise...if you get that cable TV
station that shows country music stuff, you'll probably see the music
video of the country music group Alabama and their song "Shagging On The
Boulevard."
That is all. You may all now go back to sleep.
DICKYG
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Subject: Re: Spector Soundalikes
Sent: 11/21/97 3:40 PM
Received: 11/22/97 1:06 AM
From: Chuck Limmer, CLimXXX@XXXXXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
In a message dated 97-11-20, David Marsteller noted:
<<Before we leave the subject of recordings that try to recapture the
Spector sound, I thought I'd mention Roy Wood. A number of his
Wizzard-era recordings seem to be aiming for a 'wall of sound'. >>
David:
Exhibit A would be the transcendent "This Is The Story of My Love
(Baby)," found on the Wizzard LP _Introducing Eddy & The Falcons_ from
1974. Imagine, if you will, Frankie Valli and the 4 Seasons overdubbing
vocals on an unfinished Ronettes track. Flat-out wonderful.
Chuck Limmer
n.p. "Lonely Hobo Lullabye," Hollies, _Another Night_
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Subject: stereo vs. mono: which came first
Sent: 11/21/97 4:18 PM
Received: 11/22/97 1:06 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
spectropop,spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com,Internet writes:
>at any rate, i don't think anyone involved with the box set ever wanted
>the new stereo mix to be the "definitive" mix - after all, that's why
>they included a remastered version of the MONO mix as a "bonus." the
>stereo mix was just an attempt to give listeners an alternate way to
>listen to the album.
But it's like Pandora's box; now that an legitimate stereo mix does
exist, it will eventually be the one that people think of as the
"official" version. It may take a while, but eventually there will be a
single disc stereo release, and the mono "the way Brian intended it" will
take a back seat. I was utterly shocked to learn that Sgt. Pepper even
*came* in mono, much less that the mono one was the one that Paul and
John worked on. So if it can happen to the hallowed Sgt. P....
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Soul and Inspiration
Sent: 11/23/97 2:48 AM
Received: 11/23/97 3:28 AM
From: Brent Kubasta, bkubaXXX@XXXXXXccc.edu
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
>>"Soul and Inspiration" (produced by Bill Medley shortly
>>after he and singer Bobby Hatfield split from Spector's
>>Philles label for Verve in early 1966).
>
>What a settlement agreement THAT was! I always thought Soul and
>Inspiration was such an ironic title for their single attempt
>to cash in on the Spector sound.
>
>"You're my soul and my highest inspiration
> You're all I've got to get me by
> You're my soul and my highest inspiration
> Without you (Phillip) what good am I?"
>
>>Anybody have any other suggestions?
i can't remember where i read this, but reportedly "soul and inspiration"
had been the song selected to follow up "you've lost that lovin'
feelin'". if i remember the account correctly, spector even began cutting
tracks; but for reasons unknown the song and sessions were dropped, and
work proceeded on "just once in my life" instead.
brent
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Subject: You Baby + You Baby = Me Baby
Sent: 11/22/97 2:21 PM
Received: 11/22/97 4:39 PM
From: Darian Sahanaja , monsaXXX@XXXXXXink.net
To: spectropop, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Jeffrey Glenn wrote:
>the "uh" at the end of each chorus in the fade is a high point in the
>Ronettes recorded legacy.
. . .as opposed to a high point in my libido.
LePageWeb wrote:
>these are among my favorite GG comps ever!!! I had no idea you were
>>involved. You rule! Where's your credit? (Thanks a lot, Chu!)
I met Chu right as Vol. 1 came out. At the time he was very interested in
releasing a X-mas album I produced for a girlfriend for his M&M label. We
went on a girl-group record bonanza. I'd lend him a stack to bring to
Japan (most of which ended up on subsequent volumes) and he'd bring me
great 60's Japanese stuff. . .it was a beautiful thing while it lasted. I
think he's got me credited from Vol.2 onward. . .but sadly, X-mas was
over and our little record never did come out. . .boo-hoo.
Oh, by the way Linda Scott's "You Baby" may sound more suitable for the
ol'45 plug-side, but I would NOT say that it's the better version. The
background vocals on Spector's DEFINE the wall of sound itself !
--darian
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