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Volume #0227 February 16, 1999
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Living Stereo
Subject: Eternity's Children/Starbuck
Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm
From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXXXXXXXt.ca
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
The recent discussion about Eternity's Children prompted me to
listen to their self titled second album and I remembered that
Bruce Blackman who was a member went on to score a top ten hit
in the 70's with the group Starbuck. I'm sure many of you
remember their smash "Moonlight Feels Right" which was a
pleasant piece of 70's soft rock.
Javed
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Subject: For: Diane Renay and Will Stos
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmyXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
Ms. Renay: Oh oh! You're right; I got my Jeans mixed up... Jean
King was truly a member of the Blossoms, not Jean Thomas... I
had a brain shimmy there for a second. I guess you would have
remembered if the Blossoms had accompanied you, eh? From all
accounts, Darlene Love in the studio was an unforgettable
presence: when she wasn't singing, she was yelling, complaining,
or laughing-- by her own account, mind you!!
Will Stos: You got it! "You're So Fine" by Dorothy Berry is
certainly in my Top 10 Fave GG Song List; to me, it embodies the
whole sound. That song really churns, ya know?
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Subject: Marvelettes...
Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm
From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
>From William Stos:
>Also, question for Carol Kaye. I was listening to some late 60s
>Marvelettes the other night. Did you play on any of their later
>stuff. Motown insists it was all recorded in Detroit, but
>you've told up otherwise. The bass on some of those songs is wild!
Funny thing, I finally got a re-use royalty check from Motown
Records. I have 113 dates in my log for Motown in the 60s, other
studio musicians here in LA do too.
I had a discussion on the phone about 1990 with Producer Lester
Sill, who was pres. of Jobete, about the percentages of what was
recorded out here in LA in the 60s (original Motown hits) and
what was cut in Detroit -- I tho't it was about 30-40% tops cut
in LA, but Lester insisted it was more like over 60% cut out
here. I still don't know.
There are many interviews in magazines from 80s on with engineer
Armin Steiner, Joe Sample, Earl Palmer, even Steve Douglas,
others about Motown dates we all did out here in LA.
Earl's book, "Backbeat" will be out March 1st, he talks about
Motown in there (Smithsonian Press) -- lots of evidence of
Motown being out here as they leased 2 floors of office suites
in the prestigious Sunset/Vine Towers building from 1963 on --
we all saw all the groups rehearsing there, people writing
arrangements there...I used to go up with my tunes from time to
time. The books that speak of Motown being "only" in Detroit are
from mostly hearsay, or what they want the public to believe.
Berry Gordy is quoted on a 1964 filmed interview speaking with
great pride of all the "fine tracks coming in from LA", and also
in his book. It's quite well-known amongst all the studio
musicians out here, even our past Union president who played
trumpet on many of those dates, and finding the Lewis Sister's
mikes not even plugged in (on the Supremes' tracking dates we
did out here), my kids met Stevie Wonder, 04 Tops, etc. as most
of us did too.
I do have the Marvelettes marked down in my log on some dates,
so yes, I did do some Marvelettes' dates. But James Jamerson was
the innovator of the Motown bass styles, played on so many dates,
I'd have to listen to those recordings some more to tell you if
it was myself or not.
I did do bass on the hits of Bernadette, Love Child, I Was Made
To Love Her, I Can't Help Myself (and in fact, just ran into
engineer Ami Hadani, who owned TTG back then and he verified the
fact that that recording was entirely west coast from start to
finish like Armin Steiner said -- and said "yes, we laid down
the final vocal of James Levi's on "I Can't Help Myself" at TTG
at 2AM one night, finished the west-coast-cut tracking and
vocals out here back then for the 4 Tops".
There are some later-made up union recording contracts (back in
Detroit) which were NOT there years before all the recordings
became being re-used. And in fact, one Detroit songwriter, with
blank contracts was trying to force his way into our Musicians
Pension fund, belligerantly trying to force the Federation to
give him part of our Pension fund as he had blank contracts and
was trying to find out how to fill them out.....not a legal
thing.
So there is evidence of hanky panky and of course we're NOT
getting our rightful reuses at all....it was our fault for
letting them get away with paying us cash for quite a while, but
we liked to record the music...but we did get 1,000s of dollars
back pay when one member of our musician group snitched to the
Union about our under-the-table Motown dates (he's passed away a
long time ago) around 1967 and that's when Motown finally
announced "we're moving to LA", they've been out here all that
time.
So, yes, the answer is that I did play on some of theirs, just
don't know what at this point. You can access my website and
sample the soundbytes and you'll hear parts of Bernadette, and I
Was Made To Love Her as well as about 20 other bass things on my
site. There will be more on this as people own up to the truth
of the matter eventually.
Best,
Carol Kaye
http://www.carolkaye.com/
PS. Yes that was Jean King with Fanita and Darlene Love. Fanita
and Darlene and I were pregnant all at the same time together in
1963 and we used to drive Larry Levine at Gold Star Recorders mad
when we kept working and got really big and would walk in at the
same time. He confided in me later, he was afraid he'd be a "
mid-wife" on one of the pianos with one of us.
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Subject: The Gordian Knot
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Steve Stanley, sstanXXXXXXXXi.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
Matthew Kaplan wrote:
>so my question is...who were the Gordian Knot?
Steve Stanley wrotes:
Finally the Gordian Knot gertting their Spectropop Spotlight!!!
One thing for harmony nuts to take note: the Gordian Knot's sole
LP on Verve was produced by no less than Clark Burroughs of the
Hi-Los!! One of the finest contributors to the golden age of
softness, I must say!
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Subject: To: Ian Chapman~From: Diane Renay
Received: 02/14/99 7:42 pm
From: Diane renay, CEIInvXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
Hi Ian:
Very interesting information regarding my two single
releases "Can't Help Lovin' That Man," and "It's A Good Day For
A Parade"! Where did you get all this information from, I never
heard of this and never even knew that my records where played
outside the US!!!! Thanks!
Sorry, but I don't remember the name of the third girl who
sang backup for me and later became one of the Ragdolls.
Sincerely: Diane Renay <[:>)
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Subject: Together
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Ron Bierma, ELRONXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
In a message dated 2/13/99 10:02:46 PM, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com writes:
>In fact, the whole Together Records catalogue needs
>investigating....
just found the 2 LP set by Danny Cox on Together #1011, produced
by Mr Usher. Haven't listened yet, anyone know anything about it?
Opinions? Reviews?
RB
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Subject: Vinyl Fixations Go To The World of Auctions
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Matthew Kaplan, TweeXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
There was an article about this in yesterdays New York Times, so
I decided to check out the web site with regards to the following
auction at the William Doyle Galleries in NYC. The following is
from the Doyle Web site:
ROCKIN' RHYTHM N' BLUES: THE FINE VINYL AUCTION An extraordinary
single-owner collection of records. Including almost 60,000
singles, EPs, LPs and CDs by The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Buddy
Holly, Roy Orbison, a selection of recordings by Elvis Presley
on the Sun label, rare rhythm and blues and rockabilly among
numerous other recording artists from the early 1950s through
the mid 1990s. The sale also features juke boxes, disc jockey
equipment, lights, disco balls, Solid Gold scrapbooks, posters,
photographs and ephemera Auction: Tuesday, February 16 at 10am
Exhibition opens February 13 For further information or to
consign property to Collectibles auctions, please call Tara Ana
Finley at 212-427-2730, ext. 211
Here's the web address for the catalogue...it starts getting
interesting around lot 200
http://www.doylegalleries.com/catalogues/990216.html
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Subject: The Big Hurt
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Shelby Riggs, vinylmaXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: spectropop, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
I have just been informed of the passing away of
Miss Toni Fisher. She recorded "The Big Hurt" in
1958.
Toni died from a massive heart attack in Hyrum, Utah.
Ahe was 70 years of age.
Shelby Riggs
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Subject: Buddy Knox
Received: 02/16/99 9:06 am
From: Shelby Riggs, vinylmaXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: spectropop, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
To all Oldies Fans,
With deepest sorrow and regret, I am relaying information
from Buddy Knox's Manager, Johnny Vallis, that Buddy Knox passed
away this morning at his home in Port Orchard, Washington. He was
diagnosed with stage 3 cancer on 2-5-99. The doctors told him he
had less than 90 days to live.
Buddy was engaged recently to Dr. Becky Carpenter. They were
to be married later this year.
Buddy had 17 hits from 1957 to 1961. His biggest hits were
"Party Doll"(1957), "Rock Your Little Baby To Sleep"(1957), "Hula
Love"(1957), "Lovey Dovey"(1960).
Buddy was born on April 24, 1933, he would have been 65 on
that date.
Shelby Riggs
Las Vegas, Nevada
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