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Volume #0252 April 7, 1999
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Music Everywhere You Go
Subject: For LA Spectropoppers
Sent: 04/03/19 6:53 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: David B Ponak, dpoXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
Sorry to use this this list for self promotion, but LA
Spectropoppers in Los Angeles might enjoy this.
My band, the Mello Cads, is opening up for LA greats The
Negro Problem this Thursday (4/8) at Luna Park. (Robertson,
just south of Santa Monica Blvd. in West Hollywood)
The Cads will be doing covers ranging from Paul Williams
to Burt Bacharach to the Free Design.
TNP are one of LA's premiere bands. Imagine Jimmy Webb
meets XTC meets Zappa.
We're on at 9:15.
Sorry again for the personal plug,
David
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Subject: It's OK
Sent: 04/06/19 8:33 pm
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
It's OK Brian, the public is just very uninformed.
Actually, there were many fine women jazz musicians back
when I started (1949 and well into the 50s), something
again the public has little idea of. I just was
interviewed on a note-worthy project film by a great woman
director "Women in Jazz", about the many women of the 40s-
50s etc. that only played with men, like I did (jazz
guitar in the 50s way before studio work). Lucky I was a
guitar player and said "yes" when asked to do stuio work
for Bumps Blackwell for Sam Cooke in Dec. 1957.
None of our names got on all the huge amount of work
studio musicians did for everybody back in the 60s, the
Union didn't insist on that until 1973. We really didn't
care, there were so many lies being printed in trade mags
anyway, and we didn't want our business to stop (making as
much money as doctors) so we kept quiet, didn't care, could
keep from traveling on the road and be home with our
families, all of us raising our kids about the same time.
As far as "females" go in the biz, yes, I was the only one
in the rhythm sections in the studios in the 60s but a few
came along early 70s etc. But there were many many
respected women in jazz (yes the male musicians loved
working with them....contrary to the later rock era
generation bias) where you have to be hugely talented to
be able to play good jazz....it's not a "boob" business
nor entertainment like the current phase where so many
women are working but the great professionals are still
unheard of.
>Jerry lives in Arizona, and still performs regularly
>in Phoenix.
I'm glad to hear that about Jerry Riopelle...if anyone
runs into him in Phoenix, please give him my LOVE, he's a
dear person, fine to work for. Glad to hear he's alright,
doing good.
Thank-you,
Carol Kaye
http://www.carolkaye.com/
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Subject: one other
Sent: 04/03/19 10:43 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Carol Kaye, carolkXXXXXXXXlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
There was one other woman who was a guitarist, Mary Osbor,
doing some studio work in NYC in the 40s and 50s before
she moved out here to Bakersfield in the late 60s....
wonderful player, like Charlie Christian style guitar. She
was respected by all the regular studio musicians. But I am
the most-recorded bass player in the world (male or female)
and I don't think she came close to working the 10,000 plus
recording calls I did. Still she is not known to the public
at all.......the "image" lie problem.
Carol Kaye
http://www.carolkaye.com
PS. I spoke to guitar legend Johnny Smith about her and he
said "yes, she was a fine studio guitarist in NYC, took
care of business!". I've met Mary (who is deceased) and
hung out with her once in the 80s, great gal....we had fun
together going to the jazz club.
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Subject: Mike Berry
Sent: 04/07/19 6:45 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
> Two of their biggest hit singles in Winnipeg were Shakin'
> All Over (Johnny Kidd and The Pirates) and Tribute To
> Buddy Holly (Mike Berry).
For those of you interested in Mike Berry, he plays in
some episodes of an early 70s british TV series "Are You
Being Served" he plays the junior sales clerk in Grace
Brothers department store. This is from one of the Web
sites on the show.
Paul Urbahns
paulurbXXXXXXXXom
Mike Berry played Bert Spooner
Junior Salesman in Gentlemen's Ready-To-Wear
1981 - 1985
In 1963 Mike Berry and the Outlaws were one of the hottest
bands in Britain. They were headlining at the Cavern Club
in Liverpool, when two members of one of the supporting
bands offered to write them a song. Unimpressed, Mike
turned them down. The two songwriters were John Lennon and
Paul McCartney.
When his musical career went into a decline, he took up
race car driving for several years, but eventually
returned to music and television. Appearing in, among
other things,Worzel Gummidge with ex-Doctor Who, Jon
Pertwee.
The year before he was offered the part of Mr. Spooner,
Mike had his greatest hit with "The Sunshine of Your Smile",
which earned a silver disc.
It wasn't until the final episode of Are You Being Served?
that Mike's musical talent was revealed in the episode 'The
Pop Star' in which he was backed by the rest of the cast.
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Subject: Pontiacs
Sent: 04/08/19 6:45 pm
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Dave Mirich, DmirXXXXXXXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
> This is off Spectropop topic but....thanks Jack Madani for
> mentioning the Pontiac GTO--I've got two 1967's! Whenever I
> dust one off and take it out on a Sunday for a little
> nostalgic cruise I always play a tape (8-track of course!)
> of The Rascals "Groovin'"---that song sounds like it was
> written for that car! The Pontiacs and this-list-type '60's
> music are my big time-consumers. Some unkind souls would
> say "time wasters" but I don't really think so, do you?
>
> Regards,
> Jim
Thanks Jim for validating to of my major reasons for
existing -- ''60s music and '60s Pontiac cars! My daily
driver is a 66 Bonneville (428) and I also have a very
quick 64 Grand Prix. In the bone yard I have a 65 2+2 (421)
waiting for me to find the time and energy (and money).
I've had a few stories published about my Pontiac
affliction, one of them entitled "This Search for the
Truth about the Beach Boys and Their Grand Prix Cars". I
would email these articles to you if you let me know.
Happy motoring!
Dave Mirich
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Subject: Re: GTOs/Bonnie and the Treasures
Sent: 04/09/19 10:23 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXXXXXXt.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
> I suppose the closest approximation to *anything* that I
> can come up with is "If Zappa's LUMPY GRAVY had funnier
> dialogue segments and its sections of Varese-inspired
> modern "classical" music were replaced with schoolyard
> jump-rope rhymes as performed by either the very stoned or
> the slightly autistic, it would sound like PERMANENT
> DAMAGE." Whether you want to hear this album depends on
> whether or not you think this would be a good thing.
Okay, for those of us who have never heard a Zappa song
(and that probably just means me) would a girl group junkie
like this album? I enjoy pretty much all types of music,
but this doesn't exactly sound like music. Any liner notes
with the reissue? Is it still readily available?
> Bonnie and
> the Treasures made the play lists of very few stations, as
> evidenced by a Billboard national chart placing of 77. I
> never heard their version on the radio, not once. However,
> on the stations I listened to, Jody Miller was played a lot
> and made the Top 10 (#25 nationally).
What's the difference between the two versions? Is Jody's
as produced? The Bonnie version I have is incredibly
overwhelming, and I had to listen to it several times
before I could make out all of the lyrics. That being said,
every time I hear "Home Of The Brave," lyrics (which are
superb) or not, I think it has to be considered one of the
best wall of sound imitations ever! I get shivers!
Will
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Subject: Re: Hey MRS Kotter
Sent: 04/03/19 6:43 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Paul MacArthur, Rtf_XXXXXXXXedu
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
RE: Mrs Kotter
> I absolutely love this nicely produced pop song and I
> found it amusing that she sung JUST >as bad as she acted.
Yeah, but she was kinda cute.
- Paulie Mac
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Subject: re:pyche pop list and gtos...
Sent: 04/08/19 2:31 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Rough Trade Shop, deXXXXXXXXtrade.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
i've got the gtos album and its kinda primitive......
chanty kiddy sing songy stuff.....a bit like skinned teen
but older!!! the lyrics are all kinda in jokes stuff to do
with who was hanging out with frank z. etc at the time...
theres a book by pamela barres (i think thats her name....
) called 'i'm with the band' about her time as a groupie
(not sordid...just funny and interesting....) and how frank
formed the gtos (she was in em...)
i nominate:
nirvana-rainbow chaser, and
anything by jason crest for the psyche pop list...
is anyone else as happy as i am that they're reissuing all
that lee hazlewood stuff???????? first two release are '
cowboy in sweden' and a new release called 'farmisht,
flatulence, origami, arf and me'
xxx delia xx
>
>Subject: Re: Psyche-Pop Song List
>Received: 04/01/99 12:56 am
>From: WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXXXXXXt.com
>To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
>
>Being a girl group nut, how about the Chiffons' "Nobody
>Knows What's Going On (In My Mind But Me)" It's considered
>one of the first psyche-pop records. Has anyone ever heard
>of Girls Together Outrageously (the GTOs). Frank Zappa's
>girl group? A little off-topic, but I'd like to know. I've
>never heard anything by them, although they recorded an
>album.
>
>Will
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Subject: Ideas at Liberty
Sent: 04/03/19 2:45 am
Received: 04/06/99 11:48 pm
From: Doc Rock, docroXXXXXXXXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXXXXXXties.com
All the talk about Spector label variations brings to mind
my discussions of the Liberty label with founder Si
Waronker:
Ideas at Liberty
A lot of thought went into most projects at Liberty, from
the albums to the record labels. Si Waronker and his staff/
friends used to sit for hours and hours and try to think
of new ways to merchandise and record. There were two rows
of little stars on the top of the album covers, which made
it much easier to find Liberty LPs in those tight record
racks in the stores. "The stars were made for that. We
built our own two-track machines at the end of 1957 when
we moved into our first big office, at La Brea, because
the studio did not have them and we couldn't afford to buy
them! So we built them. All I did was take two recording
heads and place them together, hooked up to two different
microphone systems. We recorded that way, on one quarter
inch tape.
"As soon as I got the idea for Liberty records and got
clearance, we used the Statue of Liberty. The first label
was one color because we couldn't afford full color
printing. The rainbow was something I added to give it
more 'oomph.' But when we were pressing the Chipmunks'
record, they ran out of colored paper, and it was pressed
with no Liberty logo at all! As time went by and we saw
what we could do for an extra nickel, we did the rainbow
color version.
"Our first label, I ordered green paper. I told them to
keep it on hand, we would be around a long time. Then I
found records with a black label! They told me that they
had run out of green. First Capitol pressed for us, then
RCA. Then a couple of independent pressers. They had to
get their paper, and very often it was different. We
wanted our own pressing plant, but I had to stop somewhere
! A lot of Liberty labels are bootlegs, you can see them
because the colors are not reproduced so well. When I was
in New York and the Chipmunk record was so big they were
hawking them on the corner like knock-off watches, I saw
them in black labels and yellow labels. They were bootlegs!"
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