__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0290 July 10, 1999 __________________________________________________________ The ORIGINAL HITS rerecorded by the ORIGINAL ARTISTSSubject: Question for Diane Renay Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Pardon me if this question has been asked before, but after visiting amazon.com and seeing a box set called the Ultimate Rock and Roll Collection featuring (in small print) updated versions by original artists, I have to ask if Diane ever re-recorded her original songs? What's your feeling on this? And say perhaps, you were lead singer of a group called the Renayettes. Would you be angry if one or two other members of the group brought in new members to re-record old songs? Will : ) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: "Russell/Washburn" Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: Barrington Womble, wuo0xxxx.se To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com My two favourite Harpers Bizarre songs Raspberry Rug and I Can Hear The Darkness are written by "Russell/Washburn". Who are these guys? Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: BW Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Bob Hanes, BobHaxxxxnet To: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com I love the way you stand up for Brian! He grew to manhood in a very confusing time and I'm sure it took some toll. I know very little about writing or producing music so my perspective is that of a consumer or listener. I have had the privilege of hearing a number of sessions that Brian held over the scope of his career. Many of these dates were tracking sessions(you appear on a large number) I must say the "feeling" of these is everything you have to say about Brian. Confident, in control, very goal oriented and FUN, lots of good humor and as Van Dyke Parks said Brian being "first among equals" However, some of the dates are vocal only or vocal and sweetening sessions with the group(family ) These indeed have an entirely different "feel" . Very tense a lot of bickering and backhanded put-downs. Mostly from Mike but Al and others seemed to be influenced by the negativity with Dennis (when he was in attendance) acting as the defender. I guess I'm trying to point out that in MHO when Brian was in the presence of pros he was happier and acted far more self assured and confidant than when he was working with his family(group). The dynamics seemed to be almost counter productive at times. perhaps because, as you point out, Brian was/is far more talented than most. Perhaps his fellow band mates were intimidated by Brian's musical abilities, and not self confident enough to accept his musical leadership! It's always great to get your perspective Carol, keep the faith! The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic Overdub --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Calling Capitol Experts - RE: Nancy Wilson Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Paul MacArthur, rtf_xxxxdu To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Just read a press release on Nancy Wilson that said during the mid-sixties (no exact dates given) that Nancy Wilson was the second best selling artist on Capitol Records behind only the Beatles and that she was ahead of the Beach Boys. Can anyone provide evidence to support or refute this? Thanks, Paul MacArthur --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ronettes' Home Of The Brave Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >He recorded it with the Ronettes, but was not >satisfied with it and did not release it. Please Please Please tell me somehow this recording has been leaked out. This songs is incredible, and a Spector version would be over the top! Any hints, John Rausch, Doc? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Home of the Brave Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Mark: Fascinating detailed info regarding "Home of the Brave". It seems to tie in with other previously mentioned quotes, such as Jerry Riopelle's TWNHA interview, where he said about the Capitol version, "We didn't expect their record, and they didn't expect ours." And when Bonnie & the Treasures' version was reissued here in the UK in the 70s, Ronnie Spector told the UK Phil Spector Appreciation Society, "I *did* do 'Home of the Brave', but the version you have on release over here, that's not me." Jerry couldn't recall Ronnie cutting the track, but the Gavin Report backs up her claim. (Of course, Ronnie's comment also laid to rest the myth back then - amongst those with poor auditory discrimination! - that Bonnie was Ronnie.) Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Home Of The Brave Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: Paul Urbahns, Paulurbxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Mark quoted: > Steve states that while he was in New York on June 7 & 8 >of this year, songwriters Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil asked >him to listen to a demo record of 'Home of the Brave.' >Steve was told that the song had been twice recorded, >but had not been released. This statement in itself indicates Spector probably had the first and possibly a second version on the song. The backing track sounds like Spector so maybe the session was an overdub session for Bonnie. Spector has cut the same song using both Ronettes and Crystals and not released either before. A good example that comes to mind is Girls Can Tell. It was recorded using the same back track by both Crystals and Ronettes but was recut by the Dixie Cups and used as a B side. Paul Urbahns paulurbxxxxm --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Home Of The Brave Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com That's all very interesting Mark. Didn't know the background on the That's interesting about "Home Of The Brave", am playing bass on the Jody Miller version and probably on the "other versions" too as I was working for Phil then. As to Steve Douglas and what he said, I'd tend to believe what Steve said about it (we sure still miss Steve too), as Steve *always* was an authority on what was said and not said. Sounds like your conclusion was the right one. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Marvs vs. Velvs Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Will Stos wrote: > > 4) The Marvelettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something > Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the > Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and > usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that > exciting, i.e. Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave. Hi Will, The Marvelettes version is actually pretty good - I always recall Georgie Fame (who toured with the Motown Revue in the UK) once picking it as a fave of his on a radio show, even though the Marvelettes weren't actually on that tour. The Velvelettes' is definitely the punchier version, though. .....I guess because it was intended as a single rather than an album cut. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Mick's mags/on the town with Darlene Love Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com > Jimmy Cresitelli wrote:- > > > >... a while ago I posted a note saying that I > >had many issues of the above-named magazines, and asked > >Ian to get info for me re the copying of the items for > >interested parties. Ian, I hadn't heard back; what is the > >policy about that? I know responses re the Phil Spector > >Appreciation Society are long in coming... : ) Jimmy, I just contacted Mick, who said he has a number of copies of the last Philately still available (#7, from 1990 - features on Darlene, the Ducanes, a Toni Wine discography, the Ribowsky book, Bill Medley, Charlotte O'Hara/Bonnie, and the story behind "It's My Party" ) He would prefer anyone interested to get that particular issue from him. But as for any other issues feel free to go ahead and photocopy. Mick can be contacted at: 121B Barry Road, East Dulwich, London SE22 0HW. Readers might be interested to know that when I spoke to him today, he'd just been sightseeing in London with Darlene Love (ever the name-dropper!) Darlene is in the UK right now, appearing in Roger Daltrey's outdoor rock symphony concerts, which are currently being performed at various stately homes around the country. They feature various big names doing rock songs with a symphony orchestra and gospel choir. Darlene opens and features throughout - does "Jumpin' Jack Flash", "Let It Be", and Pink Floyd number, amongst other things........ she reportedly sounds and looks fabulous. It's not really my story to tell, but I'm sure Mick won't mind....... During the course of the afternoon's sightseeing, talk apparently turned to "He's a Rebel", and Darlene mentioned that the actual line-up who recorded that song was Darlene, sister Edna, Gracia Nitzsche and Fanita James. Amazing the things you hear on a London bus.........! Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Newbeats CD Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com To John Rausch..... Here's the track list from the Newbeats Sequel CD. Quality is good - Sequel had the rights to the Hickory tapes, I believe. One or two gems on there, but personally, I think the choice of tracks could have been better. Jimmy O' Neil interview with Larry Henley Bread and Butter Everything's Alright Break away from that boy The birds are for the bees Poison pen Little child A patent on love Run baby run Shake hands and come out crying Short on love Evil Eva Don't turn me loose Top secret Swinger Hide the moon Michelle De Ann Michelle De Ann (alternate take) The girls and the boys I'm a teardrop Laura Love gets sweeter (Larry Henley solo) The way you do the things you do (Larry Henley solo) Does your body need loving (Larry Henley solo) In the middle of the night (Larry Henley solo) With tears in my eyes (Dean & Marc) It's happening again (Dean & Marc) Sticking up for my baby (Larry Henley solo) His girl (Larry Henley solo) Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Eden Abhez? Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: Barrington Womble, wuo0xxxx.se To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Brad Elliott wrote: >FYI, among the photos that Jasper Dailey took at >the SMILE sessions is one of Brian sitting in Western >Recorders with none other than Eden Ahbez. Sorry for my ignorance but who is Eden Ahbez? Oh, btw, Brad, while I'm already asking you: I got the impression from a Japanese listee on PSML that the 'new' Pet Sounds CD-reissue has been remastered once again: i.e. it's not the same master as on the Pet Sounds Box..?? Just trying to find out if it's worth buying the new reissue if you already have the box :-) And do you think you'll put up your liner notes for it on the 'net as you did with EH? Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Fleetwoods/Newbeats Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Michael B Kelly, docroxxxxom To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Will: I have the 45 of "Ska Light, Ska Bright," if you get desperate! John and Paul: For me, the best Newbeats song is " Breakaway." By the way, did anyone know that Dick and Deedee recorded "Thou Shalt Not Steal" because a friend had heard the song on a Newbeats LP and said it sounded JUST LIKE Dick and Deedee? When I played the original by composer John D Loudermilk for Dick, he said that, had he heard in back then, he never would have recorded it! He hates John's original! Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: The Fourmyula Received: 07/09/99 11:24 pm From: David Bash, Bashxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com > From: DJ JimmyB, DJJimmyxxxxm > Good Morning World! ... Here's a batch of 45's I lucked > into yesterday: > > The Fourmyula - Nature - Bell Wow, I had no idea this was ever released in the US! The Fourmyula were a band from New Zealand who scored #1s on the New Zealand charts with "Nature" and another great flower pop song, "Come With Me". I always thought "Nature" would have been a perfect song for a rock opera like "Tommy" or "SF Sorrow". Does anyone know if there are any Fourmyula comps on CD? -- Spectropop Rules!!!!! Take Care, David Bash --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ron Dante & Larry Henley Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: Shelby Riggs, xxxxi.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com I have known Ron Dante for several years now, he moved from New York City to Los Angeles in 1992. I met him at a benefit show for Jewel Akens in November 1997, shortly after Jewel had a quadruple by-pass. The money was to help Jewel Akens out financially, who had no insurance. They had an oldies line-up of about 30 performers. The show was not well done & organized, but it was still a decent concert. Ron was one of the guest performers that donated their time for that worthy project. For many years Ron sang back-up at numerous studios. He even sang back-up for his idol, Bobby Darin. In our " Pioneers of Rock & Roll" concert, here in Las Vegas, Ron will actually do all 3 groups that he sang lead with, and with do a few of his solo songs that were released under the Kirshner label. I still have Ron's solo LP he did on Kirshner sealed. Now regarding Larry Henley, I have also talked to Larry several times recently. He is also going to be on the " PIONEERS" show. He said that he will perform at the " Pioneers" concert, but will not do "Run Baby, Run". This is due apparently to voice strain. It will interesting to se him perform. He is still song writing and does some personal appearances. A couple of the most interesting performers that I have talked to since I started organizing this show last year are Paul Evans and Dickey Lee. Both of them stay very busy in song writing and performing. One of the best Oldies CD's that I have heard in many years is Paul Evan's CD. "I Was A Part of the Fifties". It fairly well highlight many years of his music, from the mid fifties to the 80's, including "I Was A Part of the Fifties". A song that wrote for the CD. Included is a song that was done in the movie "Pecker". That song was "Happy Go-Lucky Me". Another very interesting singer is Ersel Hickey, who wrote and recorded, "Bluebirds Over the Mountain". He also wrote a song in 1963 for Jimmie Rodgers ("Tender, Love & Care") fame, titled "Crooked Little Man", which was not released as a single, and was picked up by the Serendipity Singers, which became a #1 song for them. And the single most interesting singer that I have had the pleasure meeting and becoming friends with is Jack Scott. What an incredibly talented singer/song writer that man is. So far we have close to 90 performers for that concert. We are negotiating with the Mandalay Bay here in Las Vegas for the Concert, they are looking at the year 2000, sometime from Valentine's Day to St. Patrick's Day". The Arena at Mandalay Bay seats 12,000 people. The response that we have had at our web-site has been unbelievable. I believe that we could sell 25-50,000 tickets. Web-site address is : http://members.xoom.com/pioneerslvn . Shelby Riggs Henderson, Nv. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Marvellettes and Buddha Received: 07/09/99 11:23 pm From: David Marsteller, davebxxxxlin.org To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com On Fri, 09 Jul 1999, William Stos wrote: > > 4) The Marvellettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something > > Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the > Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and > usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that > exciting, i.e. Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave. Gee, maybe someone else would like to weigh in. I hadn't heard The Velvelettes' version until recently, so I might be biased, but I love The Marvelettes' take of this song. A funky up tempo version with a screaming sax break in the middle, it just cruises along. Then Stewart Mason wrote: > Is anybody else bothered by the new "corrected" spelling > of Buddha Records, recently reactivated by BMG as their > umbrella reissue label? Buddah was one of the great label > names -- as well as having some of the best label art of > its era -- and seeing it as Buddha Records feels like if > EMI had suddenly started calling its US arm Capital. I'm not sure what the point was, improved appeal to new agers? The new Buddha seems to have so little in common with the old Buddah, why didn't they just come up with a new name? I hope RCA a) sticks with it longer than the last time and b) gives more value for money than those 10 or 12 song CD collections they put out last time. Dave /******************************************************************/ David Marsteller davebxxxxlin.org /******************************************************************/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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