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Volume #0299 July 16, 1999
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America's First Family of Fine Recordings
Subject: Wannabes/Manson, Don't Go There
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: Don Richardson, drixxxxxs.com
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Glenn wrote:
>Interestingly, many of these folks later had associations
>with the Monkees project.
Glenn, it was kind of interesting plugging in some of the
names and seeing the nexus of connections. For example,
Chadwick was a producer on a number of their albums.
Considering the criticism that they were merely a "plastic"
band, it's significant to note the talent and support
from some very significant people.
Tom Simon wrote:
>It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson
>had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this?
Don't know where and when that rumor got started, but it
was debunked years ago. Manson was serving time in a
California prison for (I think) armed robbery, when the
auditions were held. Whatever the charges, he was
incarcerated at the time.
--Don
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Subject: a horrible mistake
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: WASE RADIO,xxxxxt.org
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To Tom Simon:
At the time of the Monkees audition, Charles Manson was in
jail. He was freed in April, 1967, which was a horrible
mistake.
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Subject: Manson & the Monkees
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: Glenn Sadin, glenn_mxxxxxlink.net
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Tom sez...
>It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson
>had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this?
This is an untrue rumor. I believe Manson was in jail
during the time of the Monkees' auditions.
Glenn Sadin
glenn_mxxxxxhlink.net
Guitarist, vocalist and songwriter for THE BERKELEY SQUIRES:
http://www.termites.com/BerkeleySquires.html
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Subject: Re: "hey hey we're the mansons"...
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: Mr Smokes-Too-Much, wuxxxxxet.se
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Tom Simon asked:
>It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson
>had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this?
It's one of those myths. The sick f**k (which I think I
can call him without anyone objecting to my language)
remained in prison until 1967.
BTW, Manson did put his hands in the LA musical pie ---
did you, Carol Kaye, deal with him on any tracking dates
with session musicians? Hope you didn't! Amazing that
people today can find it cool what he did....hope he's
locked away forever.
On a similarly twisted note: Does anyone find the 'Sieg
Heil' bit in The Sagittarius' "Hotel Indiscreet" offensive?
Gary Usher seemed to have a somewhat perverse sense of
humour...
Tobias
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Subject: Re: Titus Turner
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net
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DickyG wrote:
>I did find out that Titus Turner is (was) real. Born in
>1933 (Atlanta) and died in 1984 (also Atlanta). While he
>did record sporadically in the '50's, he was best known as
>a songwriter...his specialty was jump blues and R&B.
>Although I couldn't find "I Want To Get Married" or "I'm
>Gonna Get Married" on a list of his recordings, I will
>assume that he did cut it at some point and that is the
>recording that Dave heard on the Dick Clark show.
I recognized the name "Titus Turner" from growing up down
south and so started looking in my reference books to see
what I could find. Turns out that he more than recorded
"sporadically in the '50s." His recorded catalog is more
than three dozen singles, from 1951 clear through to the
end of the '60s! Where I recall his name is in connection
with a 1961 R&B single, "Sound Off," on the Jamie label.
Based on the old military cadence, it landed in the
Billboard Hot 100 (but not the Top 40), but in the south
it was a much bigger hit. I remember hearing it as an
oldie in the mid and late '60s. Surely, Dickie, you
remember it, too?
Anyway, Goldmine's "Standard Catalog of American Records"
has the most extensive list of his records. It appears he
started on the Okeh label (9 singles) in the early '50s,
then moved to Mercury's Wing imprint (3 singles) and
Atlantic (1 disc) in the mid '50s, King (8 45s) in the
late '50s, and Jamie (5 singles) in 1961-62. After that,
it was a succession of labels, some of them small, none of
them for more than a couple of records -- in order: Enjoy,
Columbia, Atco, Murbo, Philips and Josie. His last single
(ironically titled "His Funeral, My Trial") was released
in 1969.
His only album appears to have been on Jamie -- SOUND OFF
in 1961, to capitalize on his one hit.
But in all that I turned up on him, I struck out just as
bad as Dickie did. Nowhere did I find anything about "I
Want to Get Married" or "I'm Gonna Get Married." Maybe it
was something that never got past the test pressing stage.
BTW, Turner's reputation as a songwriter seems to rest on
the fact that Little Willie John had a big R&B hit with
Turner's "All Around the World," but it wasn't a case of
Turner writing the song and shopping it around. Rather,
Turner recorded it first (on Wing) and John covered it
after the fact. Dave Marsh thought John's version good
enough to include in his list of the 1001 Greatest Single
Ever Made (see Marsh's book, "The Heart of Rock and Soul").
Interestingly, Marsh called Turner's original version "a
pedestrian Lloyd Price knockoff." Looking at Turner's
discography, I have to wonder if he didn't frequently play
off a vocal similarity to Price -- one of his singles (King,
1959) was "The Return of Staggolee."
Brad
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Subject: For Carol Kaye Re: Girl Groups
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Jimmy Cresitelli, Jimxxxxxcom
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Hi! I'm really enjoying and learning from your very
knowledgeable and detailed posts. Thank you! My query:
while in the studio, did you do much interacting with the
girl-group vocalists you recorded for? I'm specifically
curious because history seems to lend itself toward
creating legends regarding producers-as-Svengali when they
were dealing with their teenaged charges. Were the girls
really just anonymous cogs within the machinery? I realize
that there are many parts to a machine, but so many of
these kids have come down through history with seemingly
NO say (save Darlene, Ronnie, and Dee Dee Kennibrew...).
I'm curious if these young ladies ever expressed any
thoughts, opinions, and input about the music they were
creating... and if anybody was listening? We're familiar
with Phil's attitude regarding the fact that they were
just voices, and easily replaceable in most cases, but I
find it hard to completely accept that as coda. Any
opinions? P.S. If I could turn back time, I would love to
have been present at the sessions for "River Deep" with
Tina and crew... yesss!
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Subject: Re: A Travesty
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com
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> She's also the most recognizable name on the list, which
> is how they choose the winner on this survey.
The problem I had was that the only reason she was winning
this poll is because die-hard Diana fans had banded
together to vote her in. Same with the Supremes. I'm on a
Supremes newsgroup and when it was announced one day they
only had seven votes, by the next day they had over 100. I
wanted people on this newsgroup to know about the poll,
since I didn't even get a chance. It's sad that just
because Aretha's large fan base didn't find out about it,
she didn't have too many votes. It was way too subjective,
and hopefully it was made clear that VH1 fans, only mostly
VH1 fans were voting.
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Subject: Re: Ronnie Spector
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: Shelby Riggsxxxxxmci.net
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For all of you Ronnie Spector fans out there, Ronnie will be
at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, Nevada on 9-11xxxxx0 PM (PST).
The Sunset Casino is located on Sunset Road
in Henderson.
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Subject: Re: Joe E. Ross
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Big L,xxxxx.snowcrest.net
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Did he really? Or are you kidding? I'm a big fan of Joe. E.
Ross!
>PS: Upon second thought, i _would_ care if Joe E. Ross won.
>Has anyone out there ever heard his great record, "Ooh,
>Ooh"?
Big L
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Subject: What does he do all day?
Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm
From: Ray Taylor, astxxxxxl.msn.com
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Can any one tell me what Phil Spector does all day long
here in 1999!
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Subject: Re: Rupert Holmes
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Derrick Bostromxxxxxpuppets.com
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>I've been obsessing on ...Rupert Holmes.
He's obsessable! "Widescreen" has the great "Terminal". He
did an album for Streisand, upon which she does "Widescreen.
I also like the self-titled follow up to "Partners in
Crime".
Derrick Bostroxxxxxpuppets.com
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Subject: Nashville Cats
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxxxcom
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Carole Kaye wrote:
<< Yes, I agree, there's a lot of fine musicians in Nashville,
always have been but not for the variety of styles
needed back in the 60s, from soul to rock to surf, to R&B,
to Motown to Pop, to latin-soul to gospel to teeny-bopper
stuff....we seemed to steal the hit-making label away from
NY even. >>
I have studied Nashville music from the outside for many
years and I found Bill Pursell's (Our Winter Love) comment
about right. He said something to the effect that you could
get it all in Nashville. The same musicians that would play
country in the studios during the day would be playing jazz
at the Carousel Club in the evening(or one of the other
clubs) and also be playing in the Nashville Symphony
concerts on the weekends. In fact Roy Orbison (and most
anybody who wanted strings on their records) had to use
symphony players because for years during the Nashville
Sound boom of the 60s there was not a studio string
section for hire. Of course things have changed today but
in the 60s there were three major studios and about 40 or
50 musicians that did 99 percent of the Nashville sessions.
Paul Urbahns
pauluxxxxxcom
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Subject: Nashville
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
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I wanted to say I didn't mean that today Nashville "can't"
do all the multi-styles of music we were able to more or
less create head-arrangements for back in the 60s.....
Nashville is certainly where it's at for recording these
days and one can record any style with all the great
talents they have living and working there now. Nashville
has long had many huge great talents working and living
there.
I was just trying to stress all the backgrounds and work
experiences of the group of us in LA during the 60s, why I
felt that we had it all going pretty well out here, that's
all. Practically all the recording work is still in
Nashville for sure.
Good luck with that awful heat wave....I just got back
from the NAMM music trade show in Nashville (there 3 days)
and never experiened heat and humidity quite that bad
together like that...and have lived in 120 degree weather
but dry.
Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
PS. Gaylord, I'm with you, pretty strange poll - wonder if
people "listen" with their eyes these days. And yes, Bob
Alcivar is just a GREAT man to work for both talent-wise
and as a fine person, he's one of the best...his music is
hauntingly beautiful.
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Subject: Cloud Eleven & Outrageous Cherry
Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm
From: Del-Fi Promo, xxxxxfi.com
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Hello everyone,
Just wanted to make sure that any of you Pop fans in town
for L.A.'s IPO music festival knew that L.A.'s own Cloud
Eleven and Detroit's Outrageous Cherry -- new bands on
Del-Fi Records' DF2K imprint -- will be playing on the
same bill, next Tuesday, August 3rd, at SPACELAND on the
last day of this year's International Pop Overthrow music
festival.
It may be the last night of IPO, but don't miss this one
if you can help it!! The bands start at 7:30pm (OC go on
at 9:30pm, Cloud Eleven at 10pm).
Cloud Eleven's self-titled CD -- released July 13th -- has
already been getting quite a lot of notice. Here's just two
samples of the kind of praise this great CD has received so
far:
"It's tempting, in the face of such perfectly-executed
retro magic as this, to make up a story about discovering
a long-lost masterpiece from the late Sixties: 'A secret
collaboration between the Beach Boys, Beatles and Rolling
Stones, the Cloud Eleven sessions were tied-up in record
company legal battles for years.' But instead of Brian
Wilson, John Lennon and Brian Jones, we have a new sonic
master by the name of Rick Gallego, who wrote all but one
tune and played everything except drums and strings. It's
an echo-effect, soft-fuzz and sitar-flavored affair, full
of double-tracked vocals that are always just on the verge
of becoming too pretty to still be rock..." (Scott Laurence,
Immedia Wire Service, July 12th -- syndicated in 100+
newspapers in Northa America).
"Shimmering pop that will put sunshine in your heart."
(L.A. Weekly music scribe, Dan Epstein)
Outrageous Cherry will also be playing THE MARTINI LOUNGE
on Monday, August 2nd..., with terrific opening acts Small
Stone & Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (yeah!!). This is a
great bill --- I saw Small Stone last night and they're
like a cross between a psych-Byrds & mod-Creation/Who.
Monday's show will be Outrageous Cherry's west coast debut.
And how does one describe OC? All Media Guide
(allmusic.com) says they sound "something like The Shadows
of Knight PRODUCED BY PHIL SPECTOR!" [caps are mine for
emphasis!!]
Outrageous Cherry's DF2K debut -- Out There In The Dark --
will hit the streets on October 5th, by the way.
See you there!
Bryan Thomas
publicity/licensing/A&R
DF2K
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