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Volume #0345 November 15, 1999
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Enjoy the complete musical definition of instruments
Subject: "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" (Things Are Changing)
Received: 11/15/99 1:38 am
From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Mark, thanks so much for sending this tape to me.
Eventually I'll buy some of those Spector recordings to
check them out myself, just been busy with my 27th tutor
coming out soon, and our "Thumbs Up" CD just released
(Jazz Trio: Ray Pizzi, Mitch Holder & myself), plus am
going to sit in with Brian at has New Times Life
Achievement Awards big event soon too, will be a fun.
About this recording which I put right on and checked back
and forth quite a few times. That's definitely Hal Blaine
on drums (last 2 quarter notes of a quarter-note triplet
as a pickup, his trademark), plus some rushing here and
there....he was fairly new on those multi-tomtoms and the
Phil's echo sure didn't help with trying to keep the time
together.
The riff you hear is myself playing that on guitar....not
sure if it was written or not, kind of a typical Jack
Nitzsche riff, so probably was. Am playing it on my
Epiphone acoustic guitar (it is non-elec. on that record
but I did have a pickup attached to it) and then the bass
(Ray Pohlman) joins me later on that - Pohlman is sort of
"buried" a little in the track, but you hear him from time
to time.
The distinctive riff you here is myself playing that on
guitar...Phil absolutely wouldn't work without that guitar,
he loved it so, and it's acoustic here. It was typical
of the styles of records there for awhile, with one guitar
doubling the bassline, playing the same part but here it's
alone for quite awhile before the bass comes in.
The count-off (I believe) is counted off by Steve Douglas
(could be Jack but I sort of doubt it, he really never was
the "count-off" man), am pretty sure of that and it sure
sounds like him. But.....it could be one of the
percussionists too: Alan Estes sounded like that, but
probably is Steve.
Usually the drummer counts off the count-off but Steve
sometimes did that. That's not Hal Blaine's voice. And the
voice from the booth, I don't think that Phil's voice,
think it's Larry Levine stopping the take.
As I recall (could be wrong, it's been so many years since
I heard his voice), Phil had kind of a small squeaky-type
voice (not putting him down, just a description here) and
it sounds more like Larry.
With it rushing like that in spots, no wonder I forgot
this side....wasn't one of the more-memorable recordings
in my opinion. But it did have some "almost-good" moments.
Hope this helps there.
Again, thanks for sending it to me, brings back some
memories as I hear all of us playing together.
Best,
Carol Kaye
http://www.carolkaye.com/
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Subject: RE: things are changin
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Mark Landwehr, mxxxxxbbs.com
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The "Right Reverend" Bob Hanes wrote:
> The Ronettes story about Bri writing a song is with
> reference to "Don't Worry Baby", written for Ronnie, and
> when Bri wouldn't share writer's credits Phil wouldn't let
> Ronnie record it.
>
Seems that I remember that it was RONNIE who always wanted
to record that song, and she has said so even quite
recently. But, Brian did write
DHMLS for the Ronettes. This has been accepted as fact for
many years, and was even mentioned in the 1991 Fitzpatrick/
Fogerty book "Collecting Phil Spector." Whether Ronnie
remembers this or not is another story...
I am thinking that Phil probably didn't even approach them
(the Ronettes) to do it and had decided that he was going
to give it to Darlene (and possibly never release it, as
Phil was prone to do with DL). Of course, not getting even
partial writing credits would turn Phil off a project.
Unless we can interview him about it, we may never know
for sure (and, even then, we may not get the true story!!)
Rev Bob continues...
> After the session Phil
> demanded partial writer's credits for his "wall of sound"
> production. Brian refused, claiming Phil had only followed
> his original production ideas. Phil wiped the vocal track
> and months later recorded the PSA with Darlene Love and
> the Blossoms using the melody from DHMLS.
>
As for the EEOC gig, Phil had nothing to do with it except
provide the backing track (the aborted DHMLS session). The
Blossoms vocal additions were produced by Jerry Riopelle.
Not wishing to start any controversy, I think, however,
that, if you have heard the EEOC spots by the Supremes and
by the Blossoms, it should be obvious that Darlene blew the
doors off Diana on this one. But that's my definitive, and
very subjective, opinion...
Mark
Phil Spector Label Gallery
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Subject: Re: The Match and the Murmaids...
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Keith D'Arcy, kxxxxxusicpub.com
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Hey Mike and all interested in the Match,
The Murmaids single on Liberty has "Paper Sun" by Steve
Winwood as the A-Side and "Song Through Perception" by
Michael Lloyd on the B-Side. Both are pretty great,
although I think "Paper Sun" is probably the better of the
two. Is that Smoke reissue from Sundazed ever going to come
out?
The Match have two non-LP singles, one with "Time" by
Roger Nichols and Paul Williams and the other with a truly
fine cover of Jimmy Webb's/the Strawberry Children's "Love
Years Coming." Believe it or not, Jimmy Webb came to visit
us at the EMI where I work the other day.
Over,
KD
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Subject: Re: Reparata
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Shelby Riggs, vinylmaxxxxxmail.com
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Tom,
Reparata is a school teacher in New York City. She
still performs on special occassions.
Shelby Riggs
Las Vegas, Nevada
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Subject: Candy and the Kisses
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Stos, William, xxxxx.tyenet.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
A friend of mine is working on a girl group publication,
and he's seeking a photo or photos of Candy and the
Kisses. Anyone who has one, or can point him in the right
direction can email me privately. Thanks Spectropop!
Will
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Subject: the miracle of "collector-weenie digests"
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: DJ JimmyB, DJJimxxxxxcom
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In a message dated 11/11/99 12:03:35 PM, you wrote:
>10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
>The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
>Tell me more about the group, please....
If I may leap in here, as David & I appear to be seperated
at birth but reunited via the miracle of "collector-weenie
digests", The Sugar Shoppe was a Canadian soft rock group
on Captiol Records circa 1968 or 69. To quote Kathy Orloff,
a writer for The Hollywood Reporter, "The Sugar Shoppe
is the biggest, hottest, bestest new quartet since the
Mamas and the Papas. They write much of their own material
and possess all the best qualities of the M's & P's and
Harpers Bizarre, and a bit of the Fifth Dimension and
Spanky and Our Gang. What comes out is unbelievably great,
and entirely their own sound."
They wrote about half of the material on the LP I own
("The Sugar Shoppe"), and cover tunes written by such
diverse folks as Donovan, Tony Hatch, Billy Rose, and
Bobbie Gentry. Oh, and Hal Blaine was the session drummer
for the record and he makes some fun of the whole up and
coming "groovy-speak" that hippies were injecting into the
vernacular of the time.
Hope that helps...Jimmy Botticelli
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Subject: Re: Sugar Shoppe, etc.
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Stewart Mason, flaxxxxx.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Tobias asks:
>>10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
>>The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
>
>Tell me more about the group, please....
They were a vocal quartet from Canada, and I believe this
was their only album. Lead singer was Victor Garber, later
a big deal on Broadway -- some of you might have seen him
playing Daddy Warbucks on that new version of ANNIE on ABC
a few nights ago -- and the others were Laurie Hood
(fabulous voice -- last I heard, she was working as a
receptionist in a recording studio in Toronto, and doing
occasional jingles and backing vocals), Peter Mann and Lee
Harris. The album was produced by Al de Lory and features
playing by the usual LA folks (Hal Blaine even wrote the
liner notes on the album). There's four originals by Mann,
Hood and Garber and six covers, including this Hatch-Trent
track and tunes by Donovan, Bobbie Gentry, and the Michael
Leander theme from the movie PRIVILEGE, which frankly has
always struck me as an odd choice.
People are always going on about The Free Design, but
frankly, I think The Sugar Shoppe have them beat.
This album came out on Capitol in 1967, as did a
profoundly weird thing I just picked up, THE WIZARD OF OZ
AND OTHER TRIPS by The West Coast Workshop, a studio
orchestra cobbled together by Nick Venet. Classic example
of MOR psychedelia -- anyone have any details?
>
>>26.Richard Harris-The Yard Went On Forvever
>>The Webb Sessions 1968-69 (Raven-Aus)
>Is the record available today? I'd love to get a copy of
>it otherwise ;-)
I think THE YARD WENT ON FOREVER is one of those albums
best heard in its original configuration. Compilations
like THE WEBB SESSIONS somehow dilute the remarkable
strangeness of this album, which is basically Jimmy's "I
just got a divorce and my life sucks" collection. But of
course, Jimmy being Jimmy, the proceedings are
considerably more elliptical than that.
Stewart
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Subject: Richard Harris
Received: 11/13/99 12:32 am
From: Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom
To: 'Spectropop', spectxxxxxities.com
Tobias wrote:
>10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
>The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
Tell me more about the group, please....
This is a really amazing late 60's soft rock record. The
group consists of 2 girls/two guys. Lush harmonies and
backing tracks. VERY poppy. "Take Me Away" is a pretty
Tony Hatch/Jackie Trent song.
>26.Richard Harris-The Yard Went On Forvever
>The Webb Sessions 1968-69 (Raven-Aus)
Is the record available today? I'd love to get a copy of
it otherwise ;-)
This is an Australian CD on Raven that combines the "A
Tramp Shining" and "The Yard Went On Forever" albums onto
one disc, plus one rare single. The quality is great,
despite the cheesy cover art. It's still in print as far
as I know.
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Subject: On Broadway
Received: 11/14/99 1:00 am
From: Robin Wills, robin.xxxxxm.net
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Thanks to David and Ian for clearing up that "On Broadway"
actually got a release, I have now found a mail order place
that is selling it or £7.99. Still I find it strange that
HMV and Virgin aren't carrying it... I was half expecting
it to contain Ellie Greenwich demos, I mean she was the
"Demo Queen". Perhaps some of her orginal demos could be
collected one day as it would a great compilation idea.
Now to find that copy of Phil's version of "Chico's Girl"...
All the best
Robin
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