__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0364 January 5, 2000 __________________________________________________________ a egalement enregistre - Super 45 tours - microsillonSubject: What Hits is History, What Misses is a Mystery Received: 01/04/00 10:26 am From: jake tassell, xwsf.taxxxxxin.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Dear Wagnerian Popsters, I've been away having a good Christmas - hope you all did too, and The New Year? - Well I'm just glad I don't have to hear the word 'millennium' anymore. I'll try and be as brief as I can on some of the dead and dying strands raised in the last few lists. Once again; apologies to Jamie re: the rather abrupt ending to my reply about the alt. 'Never' release. I think I'd started to 'go off on one' by that point anyway! But I Repeat: This version definitely has more echo on the vocal! Also thanks to Michael and Jamie for clearing up the 'GEMA' question. Presumably an export from GB to Germany. To Frank at The End of The Tunnel re: French Pop;- Johnny Halliday, Sylvie Vartan and Eddie Mitchell - ils sont tres merdique, c'est vrai! The problem is though - every time I visit my expatriate brother in Paris and want to know about a record I've heard (and I have heard some great ones), I can never find out anything, because when quizzed, somebody always makes a shamed face and says "Oh - you don't really want to know about that! - It's rubbish!" - which is why I voiced my question to the list in the first place. No great Gaul pop? With respect, M'sieur, what about Serge Gainsbourg's three decades worth of uniquely witty, wicked, sexy, and stylish output? And all the records he made with Jane Birkin, Mireille Mathieu, Brigitte Bardot, France Gall, Anna Karina, Nana Mouskouri, Charlotte Gainsbourg, etc. etc. etc. I can count at least three Francoise Hardy discs that are as good as, say, the best Marrianne Faithfull records, and I think that's really just the tip. I mean sure, the French didn't produce any Led Zeppelin-type 'rock-legends' (you'll never know how glad I am about that) - but then no-one else made great Easy Listening in the way that Francis Lai and Michel LeGrande did etc. etc. Just like everybody else's stuff; French stuff has its own uniqueness, its own flavour and its own 'special fragrance' just like Mid-Sixties Detroit Stompers have or Mersey Beat has or New York Acapella DooWop has or California Surf Instrumentals have. This is, as always, a matter of one's own personal aesthetic but I don't see why a form should be invalidated purely because it doesn't fit in with some 'official' version of what is and what isn't pop history. To Matthew:- My neighbour (Yeah - the GEMA one again!) has a Spanish version of 'Yellow Submarine'. I think it's by the same group you mentioned but I'm not 100% sure. He also has a Spanish 'Barbara Ann'. I'll try and get some spec. next time I see him. To Billy re: Telstar. There's a RealPlayer interview with Patrick Pink (Meeks' former studio asst.) on The Joe Meek Site (sorry, URL not at hand) in which he says there was someone flushing the lav on the record (Now Children!). If you're ever in London, you have to visit the building where he made these records - it's half way down the Holloway Rd above what looks like a recently closed-down kebab shop. If you see it - you'll just laugh! The Da Doo Ron Ron girl-group club night in London that I mentioned a while ago (didn't go to that one - too busy) now has a website, it's at:- http://www.shimokawakelly.freeserve.co.uk/ No MP3s or RealPlayer files present, but some good pics and top tens, upcoming events etc. A Question: Scott Walker has at various times stated that he played bass on a couple of Spector records (If so; probably under the name of Scotty Engel - the name under which he also made at least one pretty good surf instrumental:-'Devil Surfer' - in the 'Lonely Surfer' mould). Is anyone on the list able to verify or deny and if he did, which ones? Adieu Jake Tassell --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: clause ogerman Received: 01/01/00 11:45 pm From: john rausch,xxxxx.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Jack Madani: I have the RCA BMG issue cd of Sedaka`s Hits and Next Door To An Angel is one great track, great stereo which brings out all the things that you mention in this style. What little liner notes there are say that it was arranged and conducted by Alan Lorber. Hope this is of some help. John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Dock of the Bay Received: 01/04/00 10:26 am From: Sean Anglum, saxxxxxo.org To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Jim Cassidy asked if DOTB was the only one of the most played songs of the century with only 1 hit version and very few covers. In reply, I believe that Michael Bolton (yikes!) charted with his version in the mid-80s (I'm at work, away from my Billboard bibles right now to verify) and I remember a cover by none other than "Der Bingle," Bing Crosby. There must have been more covers too......I even heard Costello do a verse inbetween songs at one of his shows. I'd like to have heard him tackle the whole thing! I'm lurking alot on this list with work constrictions (ouch!), but really enjoying the knowledge (and music collections) you all have!! And Mr. Madani, I still think you should write and publish a stream of consciousness remembrance of your time in "the 60s".....it would be a hoot, an inspiration, a cash cow, and a damn good read!! Keep playin' those B-sides everybody! Raised On Records, Sean "It's all happenin' at the zoo" Anglum saxxxxxo.org --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Dum Dum Ditty--or IS it????? Received: 12/30/99 4:49 pm From: Jack Madani, Jack_Mxxxxxk12.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com I'm listening to the Shangri-Las' version of The Dum Dum Ditty, and all of a sudden it dawns on me that they're NOT singing "dum dum ditty." I swear they're singing "run run ditty." But that's plain stupid. How could a heart go "run run ditty?" It makes no sense. I wonder if there's a story behind this odd change of lyrics. Perhaps some sort of misguided attempt to grab some easy songwriter royalties by adding in "new" words, in the manner of Mike Love "improving" Under The Boardwalk? jack "i wanna say yeah yeah" madani ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road, Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_Mxxxxxk12.nj.us "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." --Henry Cabot Henhouse III ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Doo Wop Groups Received: 01/02/00 3:15 am From: Claudia, xxxxxv.net To: Spectropop List, Spectxxxxxities.com Responding to Dave Feldman's comments on the Doo Wop groups, may I add one gentleman who is never mentioned (or heard from)...Bill Deal (and the Rhondells). They had three pretty darn good songs out in 1969 called, "May I", "I've Been Hurt" and "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am". Great stuff...("I've been hurt (hurt, hurt), oh, I've been hurrrrt (de-oooh!)" All the stuff was up-tempo and quite danceable (as Dick Clark use to say). The songs were laced with a heavy horn section, great backup from the Rhondells and at the end of three minutes you were feeling pretty good. Does anyone know what's happened to them? Happy New Year, all Claudia _______________________________ "Even though Rock n' Roll is over 40 years old, nobody's ever really tried to make it grow up...Keith Richards --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Keith Green and Gary Usher Received: 01/04/00 10:26 am From: Ron Weekes, Wexxxxxs.edu To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Most of us have heard the Gary Usher produced "Go Getter" by Keith Green that is on the M&M records Usher compilation. Does any one know if a better quality (from the master tapes maybe) version is available on CD? If so, where? Ron Weekes --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Happy New Year Received: 12/31/99 12:35 pm From: Joey Stec, Jxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hoffy new jere! happay new year! To all my friends , may i have the pleasure of knowing you all for the next 1000 years *********************love ya all... Happy New Year Joey Stec December 30 ,1999 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Holiday Hits Received: 01/03/00 12:39 am From: Jill Mingo, xxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hello, Spectropoppers, I was away over the holidays so I missed most of the holiday hits talk. I pride myself on a huge variety of Xmas music that I put on Xmas tapes as presents for friends. I've only done this two years, but I've already made quite a few purchases for next year's tape in Japan where I was able to meet with Spectropop lister Jamie Le Page...ask him about his tiki bar.... the Xmas song I wasn't able to get off my mind this year was the Flirtations "Christmas Time is Here Again". A winner. Jill "Mingo-go" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Question and Christmas faves Received: 01/02/00 1:13 pm From: Ron Bierma, ELRxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com While spinning Christmas 45s with my chillen last night, I happened upon one that I apparently had overlooked before, called "Alfie, the Christmas Tree" by the Frogs. Only interesting here, because it is Arranged and Written by one Hal Blaine. It is vaguely reminiscent of "Space Oddity". Does anyone know anything about this recording? Know who or what are the Frogs? Thanks in advance. Besides the Spector Christmas disc, I also spin; Merry Beatmas (very clever) Bruce Cockburn (very nice) the Chipmunks (very silly) the Beatles Christmas CD boot Christmas Kisses (Capitol collection) Frank Sinatra (Capitol only!) and I must confess I have a weak spot for Country music as well...I love the Christmas albums by the following...Merle Haggard, Loretta Lynn, Alan Jackson, Randy Travis, George Strait, Red Sovine and Walter Brennen. Also, the collections "Christmas on the Range" on Capitol and "Hillbilly Holiday" on Rhino. (please don't hate me...) I am a sucker for Christmas music...I have 227 Christmas discs, 73 Christmas LPs and 165 Christmas 45s including Jazz, Blues, Rock, Country, disco, comedy, classical, easy listening, etc...I LOVE IT ALL! Merry, El --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Supremes and Van Dyke Parks concert Received: 01/03/00 12:46 pm From: Bleedin' Gums Murphy, wuxxxxxet.se To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com I didn't have any records by the Supremes, so I picked up a really cheap compilation CD called [hey, dig those aliterations!!!] "Baby Love" during my vacation. So I put the disc into my stereo today and....it's a horrible 80s sounding remake with NO original recordings! I now notice "re-recordings" in fine-print...does anybody know anything about this CD? The record label appears to be Success and the cat. number is "16287CD". The Supremes "line up" on this record is Sherrie Payne, Lynda Laurence and Jean Terrel. I don't know if they were original members or not... The tracklisting is: Baby Love Love Child Nathan Jones Stop In The Name Of Love Crazy 'Bout The Guy Hit and Miss Stoned Love I Want To Be Loved I'm Gonna Make You Love Me Back By Popular Demand The annoying thing is that all the *songs* are fantastic! But I didn't expect the production of the "Miami Vice" theme to come out of the speakers....so can anyone tell me what the deal is with this bizarre remake CD, and also recommend a proper Supremes compilation with the proper originals, performed by the proper group members. And to the person who asked (Chuck?) a few digests back, yes I went to Van Dyke Parks' concert in London. I've got nothing but over-the-top positive things to say about it, so I'll just settle with saying that Van's show was one of the best I've ever seen. I'm biased of course, because I'm obsessed with his music! But I'm sure he didn't disappoint anybody in the venue. Van played everything from Song Cycle stuff (The All Golden and Donovan's Colours) to OCA selections plus a new song called Paradise Hill, which was magnificent, although it did sound like "Orange Crate Art: The Sequel" to me. That's besides the point anyway when the music is this good! I co-moderate the VanDykeParks-list together with an Australian called Rob Pemberton. I know there are many VDP-fans here on this list so it would be a big honour for us if you knowledgable people would like to join our tiny community of 21 people. The URL is: http://www.onelist.com/community/VanDykeParks Alternatively, you can contact me privately if you want to sign on. T. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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