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Volume #0409 April 19, 2000
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Pace Setter of the Networks
Subject: Re: barnstorming production
Received: 04/17/00 1:31 am
From: Billy G. Spradlin
To: Spectropop!
>Anybody else on the list got any barnstorming production
>favs?
>
>Jake Tassell
Wow, I love those type of "Needle Banging into the Red"
productions with Maximum compression and reverb too. The
more compression, distortion, sibilance and loudness the
better, who gives a damn about High Fidelity?? Todays 64
track digital recordings sound so sterile and lifeless
compared to these powerful records that were recorded on
primitive 3 and 4 track tube equipment. Producers like
Spector, Greenwich/Berry, Bob Crewe, Shadow Morton, Motown
and others back then knew how to mix a record to jump out
of speakers via AM radio and grab listeners attention.
I Love British girl group records where UK producers tried
to copy USA production techniques and wound up with a very
unique sound. The Breakaways "Thats How It Goes" where the
drums are so compressed the snare sounds like a machine gun,
The McKinleys "Someone Cares For Me" (love the BOOM
ending) and the Orchids "Love Hit Me" are just fantastic
records. I love the way the way the compressed handclaps
sound on Anoinette's "There He Goes (The Boy I love).
After listening to many British Girl Group compilations
(thanks Malcom and Mick) you can really hear Joe Meek's
influence too.
Crank it Up!
Billy G.
Billy G. Spradlin
29 Rim Road
Kilgore, Texas 75662
Homepage: http://home.earthlink.net/~bgspradlin/
Jangle Radio: http://home.earthlink.net/~bgspradlin/janglepop.html
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Subject: The hit with the black eye
Received: 04/15/00 12:54 pm
From: DJ JimmyB
To: Spectropop!
In a message dated 4/13/0 2:27:45 PM, you wrote:
>But a lot of the more obscure records take time
Indeed they take time, that time being time just to find
the record, because often for simple lack of promotion,
politics or a lucky stroke, the obscure one didn't "make"
it. Often the quality of an obscurity is every bit as good
as a "hit" In fact I like them better because they are
newer to the ear.
>and some of the obscure records, after a few listens,
turn out to be a lot better >than the "hits."
They don't even need a few listens at this address. If a
rekkid is good i know it right off the bat most of the
time. But they are indeed often better than the hits.
JB/would rather hear "The Guy With The Black Eye" than "My
Boyfriend's Back" anyday
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Subject: Anita Kerr/"Butch Cassidy" soundtrack question
Received: 04/15/00 12:54 pm
From: Brad Bigelow
To: Spectropop!
Can anyone on this list confirm whether the voices on "South American
Getaway" on the soundtrack to "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance
Kid" soundtrack are Anita Kerr and her singers?
Brad
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Subject: groovy baby yah
Received: 04/19/00 2:28 am
From: Jack Madani
To: Spectropop!
does Rev-Ola have the coolest home page ever, or what? The
arrows! and that MUSIC!! What is that music from?
http://www.creation.co.uk/revola/
(where you can find albums by Tony Jacklin, Nichelle
Nichols, and David McCallum, among others--what, no
William Shatner?)
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Subject: Was she from Mars or something?
Received: 04/15/00 12:54 pm
From: Through Zero
To: Spectropop!
Where, oh where is some bio information on Miss Toni
Fisher? Two big hits - "The Big Hurt" (1959) and "West Of
The Wall" (1962) You able to help?
Thanks!
A fan
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Subject: yes shatner
Received: 04/19/00 2:28 am
From: Jack Madani
To: Spectropop!
oops, sorry, spoke too soon on that Rev-Ola site. Shatner
is indeed there.
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Subject: Some comments on #408...
Received: 04/15/00 12:54 pm
From: Jamie LePage
To: Spectropop!
Ian Chapman wrote about Funny How Love Can Be
>> Imagine loving the Ivy League original! What a travesty
>> the kitchen sink version would likely be.
>
>...the Ivy League version...remains to me one of the most
>appealing and poignantly performed records in the "harmony"
>genre. And whilst I wouldn't by any means label the
>Danny Hutton version "a travesty", I've never quite been
>able to get into it.
Hi Ian,
As someone who heard the Ivy League original long after
the Hutton cover, I found your comment most interesting. I
do so admire Carter/Lewis' work. I wondered if you had any
idea how these Denmark Street writers got their songs
placed with Vine Street post-surf artists?
Charles G. Hill wrote about "Two to Tango"
>At least one copy made it to my shelf, as Philles 134, b/w
>"A Man Is A Man Is A Man". No matrix numbers, for some
>reason, but "APRIL-2" is scratched into the dead wax on
>the Tango side, and "APRIL 3" on the other.
I checked my copy and sure enough the matrix etchings are
identical. I also checked 135 and 136, and found the
following'
135 I'll Never Need More Than This b/w Cash Box Blues
The I&TT A-side has the matrix number but also has April
3G etched in the runoff groove. The B-side, a typical
throwaway instrumental (title must be a reference to the
failure of RDMH), has "45 B.S. #24", so I assume this was
mastered at a different time and available for whatever
single Phil needed a B. B.S. must refer to B-side, I would
think.
136 A Love Like Yours b/w I Idolize You
The A has a matrix number but also has April 5 etched into
the wax. The B, which undoubtedly Spector viewed as a
throwaway track produced by Ike, has April 6 etched into
the wax as well as a matrix number.
Very strange...It implies that Spector mastered these
three singles all within the period of four days! I wonder
what was up with that?
>Surely these tracks must have surfaced somewhere else by now.
Both sides of Philles 134 are on the CD "Phil Spector -
Off the Wall". There is a jpeg of the cover and the track
listing at the Spectropop website under Phil Spector CDs.
Michael Gessner wrote about John Tuturro's performance:
>I thought that the Turturro character is closer to Don
>Kirshner
I watched the video with a friend over the weekend per
everyone's suggestion and took out the soundtrack again
for the first time in several years, and I liked both the
soundtrack and film more now than when it first came out.
Once you get over the fact vs. fiction mental block, I
think it really depicts how the Brill Building must have
operated. Of course Turturro's role is a Don Kirschner/Al
Nivens-type publishing guy (clearly not a record man), but
his persona is Spector all the way! I remember laughing out
loud when Turturro replies to Illeana "Phil Spector? He's
finished!" The only mention of Spector in a film about the
Brill Building! I don't have any evidence, but I am certain
he wouldn't approve of a Spector character in the film nor
license any music for it either, so I guess that the only
way to work a Spector type character into the film was to
make him a different sort of mogul, hence the Kirschner
character looking like Spector. The part of the film I
didn't like at all the first time and which sat with me
only slightly better this time was the scene in Jay's
beachfront studio when the band (Redd Kross) are listening
to the quasi-Smile track. There's Jay, rather short haired
and clean cut, and then there's the band, looking most
decidedly post-modern (even longhairs didn't have haircuts
like THAT in 1967!). Because the band looked so wrong for
the part, I think the filmmakers missed the opportunity to
show how, at the time, the "conservative" members of bands
rebelled against the "creative geniuses'" experimentations.
The snippet of music used in this scene, too, didn't
adequately relate an inherent "weirdness/genius", and it
seems to me that was, after all, the intended point of the
scene. A minor complaint; I really did enjoy seeing this
film again, and I recommend it to anyone interested in
Brill Building pop.
sheila b commented:
>>Also, I think "us" types tend at times to champion obscure
>>songs at the expense of hits. My guess is that if we did a
>>"blind ear tasting" of 50 random girl group hits and 50
>>girl group obscurities, we'd favor the hits.
>
>There's no argument that the GG hits were not completely
>stunning, BUT I'd like to stand up for the obscure records
>and say that if the public gave songs like Margaret
>Mandolph's "I wanna make you happy" or Reparata and the
>Delrons "Nobody's baby..." a chance, they really might
>have been hits.
Yeah! I think it is important to remember the quality of
hits during this time. There were so many great records
coming out all at once, it is no wonder so many classics
never charted at the time. Take the Caravelles, for
instance. Their "You Don't Have To Be a Baby to Cry" is
great, but the lesser known "Other Side of Love" blows it
away! Also, I prefer nearly everything else Lesley Gore
did far more than It's My Party or Judy's Turn to Cry.
Dave is right that collector-types tend to glorify the
obscurities over the hits, but in the case of the girl
groups, I believe many records that slipped through the
cracks at the time have, over time, proven themselves to
be more interesting than many of the period's big sellers.
Some very interesting threads here lately. Thanks everyone!
Jamie
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Subject: AN EXCEEDINGLY GOOD FRIDAY
Received: 04/19/00 2:28 am
From: CHRIS KING
To: Spectropop!
Dear fellow Spectropopsters & Spectropopstrels -
A final reminder that DA DOO RON RON my femme-tastic (you
won't hear a single MALE lead vocalist!) celebration of 60
's girl groups & sassy soul sisters is on in London this
Friday - GOOD FRIDAY - 21st APRIL Upstairs @ The GARAGE.
Myself & DJ partner Mark Norton will spin fab 45's from
the likes of The Ronettes, Dusty, Velvelettes, Cookies,
Crystals, Helen Shapiro, Petula, Shangri-La's, Supremes,
Sandie, Lulu, Darlene Love, Vandellas, Nancy Sinatra,
Aretha, Paper Dolls, Barbara Lewis, Tammi Terrell et al
Full details below. Kindest regards, Chris King
Good Friday 21st APRIL - Upstairs @ The GARAGE, 20 - 22,
Highbury Corner, London N1 (Venue Tel:-0171-607-1818) 9pm
- 3am L4 w / flyer L5 w / o DJ's Chris D King & Mark Norton
For more info please check out the DDRR Web site:-
http://www.shimokawakelly.freeserve.co.uk/index.html
or E-mail me:-
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Subject: The Liquid Room
Received: 04/19/00 2:28 am
From: David Ponak
To: Spectropop!
The Liquid Room airs every Saturday morning from 3-6AM
on KPFK 90.7FM in Southern California.
Also check out my show "The Nice Age" at
www.spikeradio.com
every Sunday afternoon from 3-6PM.
The Liquid Room 4/15/00
1.The Association-Come On In
Birthday (WB)
2.DJ Food with Ken Nordine-The Ageing Young Rebel
A Dub Plate Of DJ Food (Ninja Tune)
3.Paul Mauriat-Get Back
L.O.V.E. (Phillips)
4.Saint Etienne-How We Used To Live
Single (Mantra-UK)
5.Linus Of Hollywood-When I Get To California
Your Favorite Record (Pop Squad)
6.Gary Usher-Sacramento
Single (Capitol)
7.The MiGs-Honolulu
Debut
8.Pink Floyd-Arnold Layne
The Early Singles (Columbia)
9.Les Baxter-Simba
The Exotic Moods Of... (Capitol)
10.One Star-Journey To South Paradise
Triangulum (March)
11.The Evolution Control Committee-The Whipped Cream Mixes
7" (Eerie Materials)
12.The Evolution Control Committee-Rocked By Rape
7" (Eerie Materials)
13.Broadcast-Come On Let's Go
The Noise Made By People (Warp/Tommy Boy) Amazing Record!
14.Denki Groove-Eine Kleine Melody/Nothings Gonna Change
Voxxx (Ki/oon Japan)
15.Haruomi Hosono-Galaga
Video Game Music (Yen-Japan)
16.Brian Reitzel & Roger Joseph Manning Jr.-Metropia
Logan's Sanctuary Soundtrack (Emperor Norton)
17.Tomovsky-Tengoku Wa Tengoku Ja Nasasoo
Orange Fiction (Sony-Japan)
18.Billy Vaughn-Time Of The Season
Windmills Of Your Mind (Dot)
19.Towa Tei-Butterfly (Cornelius Remix)
12" Promo (Elektra)
20.Marvin Gaye-I Want You
I Want You (Motown)
21.Summer Hymns-Stick Your Mind In The Wind
Voice Brother & Sister (Misra)
22.The New Renaisance Society-Tell Me (You're Coming Back To Me)
Baroque 'N Stones (Hanna Barbera)
23.Ladytron-He Took Her To A Movie
Miss Black And Her Friends (Bambini-Japan)
24.The Box Tops-Neon Rainbow
The Best Of.. (Arista)
25.Japancakes-Version 1
Down The Elements (Kindercore)
26.Booker T. & The M.G.'s-Sun King/Mean Mr. Mustard/
Polythene Pam/She Came In Through The Bathroom Window/
I Want You (She's So Heavy) Medley-McLemore Ave. (Stax)
27.Stereolab-The Super It
The Stereolab Underground Is Coming (Duophonic)
28.The Kinks-Dandy
Face To Face (Pye-UK)
29.Sam Paglio-Nightclub Tropez
Nightclub Tropez (La Douce)
30.Michel Polnaref-La Michetonneause
Les Premiere Annes (Universal)
31.Mint Royale-Don't Falter
On The Ropes (Faith & Hope-UK)
32.Alfred E. Neuman-It's A Gas
Dementia 2000 (Rhino)
33.The Heavy Blinkers-Liquid Room Jingle
34.The Lovin' Spoonful-Younger Girl
Greatest Hits (Buddah)
35.YMO-Technopolis (Konishi Remix)
YMO Remixes (Victor-Japan)
36.Ann-Margret/Lee Hazlewood-You Turn My Head Around
The Cowboy And The Lady (Bonus Track-SLR)
37.Scott Walker-Thanks For Chicago Mr. James
Till The Band Comes In (BGO-UK)
38.Sammy Davis Jr.-Ee-O Eleven
Sammy & Friends (Rhino)
39.Mouse On Mars-Pinwheel Herman
Niun Niggung (Thrill Jockey)
40.Richard Hayman-The Look Of Love
The Geniune Electric Latin Love Machine (Command)
41.David Axelrod-The Mental Traveler
Song Of Innocense (Acension)
42.Miki Hirayama-Itsuka Dokoka de
Good Night Tokyo (Readymade-Japan)
43.Francis Lai-Party Music-Show Out
I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname Soundtrack (Decca)
44.Paul Williams-Morning I'll Be Moving On
Someday Man (Reprise)
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