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Volume #0052 03/10/98
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Unbreakable 45 RPM Record
Subject: Full Measure
Sent: 3/9/98 1:30 AM
Received: 3/9/98 1:31 AM
From: le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
Bash wrote:
>if indeed there is inherent quality in music, ...it
>has existed in the same measure in every decade.
Couldn't agree more. The important difference being that in
the 60's, cool records had a fair shot at the Top 40. A lot
of trendsetting records were huge hits. Today, a lot of
really great records are known only to a small group of
people who collect obscurities. In the peak 60's era, the
ratio of *hits* with inherent quality was far higher than
during either the preceding or following eras.
--
le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
RodeoDrive/5030
Subject: Big Star
Sent: 3/7/98 8:50 AM
Received: 3/7/98 10:51 AM
From: GBMGIDEON, GBMGIDXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 3/6/1998 5:42:30 PM Central Standard Time,
spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com writes:
<<
Also we should not forget the early 70's power-popsters such
as Big Star, Stories, Blue Ash and the Raspberries. There
were other champions of melodic pop- rock in the early 70's
such as 10 CC, Todd Rundgren, The Wackers and The Dwight
Twilly Band. Finally, what about the glam rock movement and
The New York Dolls, T-Rex or even Sweet.
>>
I love Big Star too.
They are one of the musical treasures from here in Memphis.
John King
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Subject: Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
Sent: 3/7/98 9:55 AM
Received: 3/7/98 10:51 AM
From: David Feldman, feldXXX@XXXXXXerables.com
> I have a question about another pair of competing versions:
> the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song
> "Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the"
> version? I'm inclined to think it's the Cookie version,
> since the song itself is so perfectly suited to their
> "chorus-vs.-low-alto-lead" style. But I don't know for
> sure, since there's no discography info included in my Rhino
> Shirelles Best Of or my Sequel Complete Cookies.
>
Gee, Jack, that's one of my very favorite Shirelles
performance. It has been eons since I've heard the Cookies
version, but it's hard to believe it tops the Shirelles. I
love the cheesy keyboard instrumental break on the
Shirelles's version. And of course, the Shirelles version
was much the bigger hit.
I love "romantic advice" songs. Smokey Robinson was a
master at writing them, but my all-time favorite is "Mama
Didn't Lie," one of my very favorite Curtis Mayfield
masterpieces. I have to admit I've never heard anything
else Jan Bradley has sung.
Dave Feldman
RIP: Carl Wilson
CD of the Month: "Other Songs" (Ron Sexsmith)
Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the gender survey at
"http://www.imponderables.com"
Subject: Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
Sent: 3/7/98 1:28 PM
Received: 3/7/98 8:23 PM
From: Paulurbahn, PaulurbXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 98-03-06 18:42:30 EST, you write:
>I have a question about another pair of competing versions:
>the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song
>"Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the"
version?
Paul Urbahns said:
The Shirelles is the hit version made it to #6 in 1963. I
wasn't even aware the Cookies had recorded it until this
post.
Subject: Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
Sent: 3/8/98 12:12 AM
Received: 3/8/98 9:04 AM
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
>
>I have a question about another pair of competing versions:
>the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song
>"Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the"
>version?
When you ask what is the definitive version, do you mean
best, or original? Any song the Cookies did is the original
version!
I have the Sequel Cookies CD, and it is one of my very
favorite Girl Group CDs. But the Cookies were not a group
per se. They were demo singers. Besides the official
Cookies, others participated on the recordings, including
Little Eve and Carole King. Listen carefully to the Cookies
CD, and you'll hear Carole in there. Following an excerpt
from my book, "Liberty Records," and an interview with Lou
Adler. The style of Carole King's demos for Bobby Vee and
other Liberty artists endured beyond Liberty and King's demo
work. Lou Adler: "When I went in to cut Tapestry with her,
that was the sound I went after. A simple sound to try to
recreate what she had been doing with the piano way up
front.
"Jackie DeShannon was also close to it. The music
business in Los Angeles and Hollywood at that time was very
close knit. It was all around Vine Street and up to La
Brea. Sharon Sheeley, Sonny Curtis, Roger Miller, the
Everly Brothers and more were all in one group, and it
wasn't very big. So there was a lot of good exchange of
ideas and a lot of great fun. The camaraderie was such that
everyone wanted everyone else to make it."
If Carole King's demos were so great, then why not release
them like Jackie DeShannon's hit demo of "Needles and
Pins"? In fact, Carole King's 1962 Dimension hit "It Might
As Well Rain Until December" was a Bobby Vee demo. And it
went beyond that. Releasing demos was not that unusual. "We
(Screen Gems music) had a label called Dimension. A lot of
our demos came out on Dimension. If no one would do a song
we felt strongly about, we'd put the demo out. Like the
Bobby Vee single that Carole King had a hit with, "It Might
As Well Rain Until September." 'Locomotion' by Little Eva
was written for Dee Dee Sharp. All of the Cookies' records
["Chains," Don't Say Nothin' Bad About My Baby"] were
originally written for Philadelphia artists. Any time no
one would do it, we'd put it out."
Back to me and the Cookies CD. Listen to "The Old Crowd"
which became a Lesley Gore LP cut. That song was obviously
written for the Orlons -- just dig that drum!
Doc
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