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There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 111:
1. Re: Jonzin'
From: Stewart Mason
2. Re: Screwed? And (Love Me) NOW
From: Billy G. Spradlin
3. Me and Mr. Jonz
From: "Jamie LePage"
4. Brill Building
From: Jimmy
5. Re: The Attack
From: "Phil Chapman"
6. Theee Millennium
From: James Botticelli
7. Re: Theee Millennium
From: "Ron Weekes"
8. Re: Curt Boettcher, The Ballroom, The Millennium, Sagittarius and Gary Usher
From: "Ron Weekes"
9. Legal Mallory
From: "K. K."
10. The Smoke
From: Cedric
11. Re: current Spectropop music
From: "Lou"
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:45:23 -0700
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Jonzin'
Paul MacArthur wrote:
>Mr. Jonz responded with this:
>
>There were several early Temptations, Four Tops,
>Smokey & the Miracles, Contours ... to name a few of
>the releases.. Exact years? I don't have them
>immediately available but Billboard reference books
>circa 1960 - 1963 should reveal your answers.
>Incidentally, "never" in the article was used
>figuratively literally. I used the example to make a
>point which I feel you missed.
Translation: "I pulled that statement out of my butt and
I had no idea someone would call me on it."
The fact that the example *doesn't exist* makes his
point a little suspect, doesn't it?
Stewart
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:11:09 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Screwed? And (Love Me) NOW
--- In spectropop, Stewart Mason wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble finding "(Let's Dance) The
> Screw"? It's a shame, the song is far weirder than I'd
> ever imagined, and remarkably wonderful.
>
> Stewart
I had trouble...
Another very strange girl group song is The Angels
"(Love Me) NOW", the B-side of the very famous "My
Boyfriends Back" (Smash S-1834)
Someone (proably producers Feldman, Goldstein &
Gottehrer) have added sounds of someome having a temper
tantrum in the studio! (knocking over chairs, throwing
cups, dishes, tape reels, even some recording equipment?!)
I dont know if this was intentional to keep the song
>from getting airplay, to "screw" over the publisher or
just F G & G's joke. This version is not on the stereo
LP (I dont have the mono version) or the "The Best of
The Angels" CD.
Anyone heard this? I'm sure someone else on the list
has a original copy of this 45.
Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:09:03 -0000
From: "Jamie LePage"
Subject: Me and Mr. Jonz
Paul wrote:
> "Giant Steps: A frank discussion of race and culture."
> (This was [Radio & Records'] smooth jazz special
> edition.....
"Giant Steps" - "smooth jazz special"? Kenny G plays John
Coltrane, perhaps?
> Now we've got a generation of Eminems and 'N'Syncs,
> while Boyz II Men are no longer important...That's a
> major form of racism...
So Boys II Men fall off the charts and that's racism.
Glad he straightened us out on that!
> The African-American executives...that preceded us
> - Their contributions need to be acknowledged.
> Jonz: In the early days of Motown you never saw the
> artist on the album cover...
Contributions of *all* the important execs that
proceeded the current ones need to be acknowledged and
this is no race issue. Cats like Creed Taylor were
trained musicians first and foremost, not business or
law school grads. That is more relevant than the color
of an A&R guy's skin. Not to mention CTI would have been
a better label to namecheck for "colorblind" album
jackets in a jazz special. At least that example exists.
But I guess Creed Taylor doesn't fit their agenda. He is,
after all, white.
Also, isn't it ironic that while moaning about lack of
acknowledgement of black execs they themselves don't
even come close to acknowledging Berry Gordy accurately.
As John Rausch pointed out, Philles too would have been
a better label to illustrate this (dubious) point. But
there again you have a race problem. Crystals and Bob B
Soxx are black, but Spector is not.
What a load of rubbish.
> Actually...a lot of it is less than insightful.
LOL!!!!!
Jamie
n.p. Foundations - Build Me Up Buttercup
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:03:34 EST
From: Jimmy
Subject: Brill Building
The Brill Building isn't about a location: it's a state
of mind. There... that was my two cents' worth, and it
came from the right side of my brain, so don't shoot me.
: )
Jimmy
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:10:54 -0000
From: "Phil Chapman"
Subject: Re: The Attack
Jamie
"Please Phil Spector" (writer: Mike Lendell) managed to
find its way over to the UK as the flipside of
"Washington Square" released on Philips BF1585 in 1967.
The label credits production on both sides by M. Rashkow
& J. Cymbal - A Mother! Production.
I associate this record with another amusing but clever
record around at the time by The Definitive Rock Chorale
- "Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky" containing
the line "I can't stand this song..."
I think Ellie & Mike Rashkow were involved with this?
Phil
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:35:41 EST
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Theee Millennium
Hi..I just scored my first LP by The Millennium (the one
with 5AM on it). If these guys don't define soft rock, it
doesn't exist (at least on first listen). Any other
groups of this particular ilk to be recommended?? Or any
other albums by The Millennium to watch out for??
Muchos Grat-See-Ya's
James Botticelli
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:49:40 -0700
From: "Ron Weekes"
Subject: Re: Theee Millennium
James wrote:
>Hi..I just scored my first LP by The Millennium (the one
>with 5AM on it). If these guys don't define soft rock, it
>doesn't exist (at least on first listen). Any other
>groups of this particular ilk to be recommended?? Or any
>other albums by The Millennium to watch out for??
Well, James..."Begin" by The Millennium was the only LP
they released. I'm assuming you actually found the vinyl
and not the CD. If it's the latter of the two, the Sony
reissue from about 10 years ago is the basic album. In
98, Rev-Ola released the album again with about six
single version tracks. Now on to other similar groups
with the same personnel...Try finding Rev-Ola's "The
Ballroom" CD. This was the precurser to The Millennium.
Then of course you need to get "Present Tense" by
Sagittarius. This is easy to get through Sundazed
Records (www.sundazed.com). There are a lot of Japanese
releases out now that deal with Curt Boettcher (the main
impetus behind The Ballroom and The Millennium and Gary
Usher (who with Boettcher were the main forces behind
Sagittarius. Poptones in the UK released what the called
The Millennium Quartet featuring a long awaited for Curt
Boettcher CD, an unplugged version of The Millennium LP,
and two solo LPs by Joey Stec and Sandy Salisbury. For a
review of these, check out
http://www.garyusher.com
Dreamsville Records in Japan released slightly different
versions of these last for CDs prior to Poptones.
Dreamsville has just released Sagittarius' second LP
"Blue Marble" as well as a Gary Usher produced symphonic
tribute to Brian Wilson, and Curt Boettcher's "California"
LP. I've heard a rumor that Poptones in the UK will be
releasing these as well.
Just stay tuned to this list and you'll hear more.
Ron Weekes
www.garyusher.com
[ed. note: Curt Boettcher page at Spectropop:
http://www.spectropop.com/hsoftcurtb1.html#start
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:18:08 -0700
From: "Ron Weekes"
Subject: Re: Curt Boettcher, The Ballroom, The Millennium, Sagittarius and Gary Usher
Billy wrote:
>Are there any dates on these tape boxes or acetates? Dawn
>Eden's liner notes say "We do know that the album was
>nearly finished by November 7, 1966, when a work reel was
>made, that it was completed by December 1, 1966 when a
>mono master was made: and that at the time of its
>completion the group had yet to attain a record deal".
No dates on the acetates, but the dates on the tape boxes
correspond to what Dawn Eden wrote in the liner notes.
The tape boxes also mention that they were mono mixes and
Curt was to be there for the final master at a different
level.
>I'm also wondering what "Spinning Spinning" is. An
>instrumental version? Would love to hear it.
One can only guess.
> "5 AM" and "Spinning Spinning" are missing.
5 AM wound up on The Millennium's "Begin" LP with an
added drum track. Who knows about Spinning, Spinning?
>I hope they find some more goodies from the vault and get some
>of Curt's productions like Lee Mallory's "That's The Way
>It's Gonna Be" on (a legal) CD.
I've never heard this missing track. So let's hope it
surfaces legitimately. Glad to hear that Sundazed is
releasing a Curt Boettcher box. Let's hope that someone
stateside does some more Gary Usher material. Thanks to
Dreamsville in Japan and Poptones in the UK...but come
on, U.S. labels!!!
Stephen McParland's third volume of his Gary Usher bio
has been an interesting read thus far about working with
Boettcher, Byrds, et. al.
Ron Weekes
www.garyusher.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:28:35 -0000
From: "K. K."
Subject: Legal Mallory
Billy wrote:
> I hope they find some more goodies from the vault and
> get some of Curt's productions like Lee Mallory's
> "That's The Way It's Gonna Be" on (a legal) CD.
In Japan, there is already a legal CD of Lee Mallory.
If you go to Dreamsville, you can hear "That's The Way
It's Gonna Be" and some others.
http://www.d-ville.com/dv_records/leemallory.html
1. That's The Way It's Gonna Be
(Bob Gibson/Phil Ochs)
2. Many Are The Times
(Lee Mallory)
3. Take My Hand
(Dick & Don Addrisi)
4. Love Song
(Lee Mallory/Randy Naylor)
5. Wild Mountain Thyme
(P.D. Traditional Ballad)
6. Come On In (Ode To the Be-In)
(Lee Mallory)
7. Magic Land
(Curt Boettcher/Lee Mallory)
8. Hey You
(Lee Mallory/Joey Stec)
9. I'm Not Gonna Cry
(Lee Mallory)
10. Magic Island
(Lee Mallory)
11. Love Is A Four-Letter Word
(Lee Mallory)
12. Puttin' It Together
(Lee Mallory)
13. Talk About
(Lee Mallory/Joey Stec)
14. Smile At Me
(Lee Mallory/Joey Stec/Keith Colley)
Produced by Curt Boettcher on Track 1 to 5
Produced by Lee Mallory and Curt Boettcher on Track 6
Produced by Curt Boettcher and Keith Olsen on Track 7,10
Produced by The Millennium on Track 8,9,11,12
Produced by Joey Stec and Lee Mallory on Track 13
Produced by Joey Stec, Lee Mallory and Keith Colley on
Track 14
Engineered by Keith Olsen, Paul Buff
Recorded at Original Sound Studios, Hollywood CA. 1967
thru 1968
Track 1 to 5 basic track recorded at Gary Paxton's,
Hollywood, CA. 1966 thru 1967
Track 1 to 5 vocal track recorded at Columbia Studio D,
Hollywood, CA. 1966 thru 1967
Lee Mallory: Vocals,guitar
Sandy Salisbury: acoustic guitar, background vocals
Joey Stec: guitar
Curt Boettcher:Acoustic guitar,Vocals, Glockenspiel
Mike Fennelly: guitar
Doug Rhodes: bass, piano, organ, flute
Ron Edgar: drums, percussion
Randy Meisner: bass
etc...
Do you believe in magic?
KK
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:40:41 -0000
From: Cedric
Subject: The Smoke
Hello Fellows
I'm a french fan of the WCPAEB and i wondered how the
Michael Lloyd's Smoke LP sound like. If anyone could
told me about it, it would be great.
Thanks.
Cedric
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:41:03 -0500
From: "Lou"
Subject: Re: current Spectropop music
"Kingsley Abbott" wrote:
> Over here in England it's sometimes tricky to stay up to
> date with modern groups/soloists who are putting out the
> sort of music that Spectropoppers really like, so could
> we maybe add in news of good stuff as it arrives.
Super idea Kingsley, especially since radio & video
stations only seem to be sniffing around the reeking buns
of the major labels and complying obediently (like the
lap pups that they are) with a steady flow of product
which is squarely aimed at a common denominator of an age
group of 6 - 12 years of age.
Don't get me wrong, as it has been said, every
generation needs to throw their heroes up the pop charts.
The only difference between the time we were elevating
boy / girl singers, girl groups, American & British pop
and R & B groups and now is the fact that our heroes
also shared the charts with C & W, easy listening, jazz,
comedy, etc.
And the record industry still shakes its collective
"noggin" and blames shrinking music sales on Napster!
They just don't get it!
Sorry about that rant ...back on topic
My entry into Kingsley's what's new and worth a listen
arena is The Januaries . Go here to listen & watch a
Flash video for their song "Black Transmission"
http://www.kochcan.com/koch/popular/New%20Releases/januaries.htm
Or go to their record company's ( Food Chain Records )
groovy website
http://www.foodchainrecords.com
for more info.
I think that you'll all be pleasantly surprised .
-Lou
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