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There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 146:
1. The Screw Story - another version
From: Mark Landwehr
2. Snopes does "The Screw" // 40 Years On
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
3. Re: Spectrophonic
From: Billy G Spradlin
4. Spectrophonic Track Listing
From: James Botticelli
5. darlene love
From: john rausch
6. Evie Sands
From: Jill "Mingo-go"
7. Project - 20 Rock Songs that changed society
From: Steve
8. Re: Spectrophonic
From: Mike Arcidiacono
9. Stereo Spector and Studio Shangs
From: "Tony Leong"
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:30:40 -0400
From: Mark Landwehr
Subject: The Screw Story - another version
Stewart Mason wrote:
> New entry on "(Let's Dance) The Screw" from the
> authoritative Urban Legends Reference Pages:
>
> http://www.spectropop.com/go2/the_screw.html
>
Nice website, but maybe not quite on point...Here's the
way I've heard it:
It seems to be accepted as common knowledge that Sill
was to get a piece of the first 5 Crystals releases on
Philles. This agreement seemed marginally acceptable to
Spector at the time, but after 3 of the first 4 releases
sold very well ("Uptown", "He's a Rebel", and "He's Sure
the Boy I Love" - "He Hit Me", unreleased to the public,
was not included), Spector was not in the mood to give
Sill a piece of the ever-growing pie, especially since
he already had "Da Doo Ron Ron" in the can & KNEW it was
going to be a smash hit.
So, Uncle Phil snuck in a "ringer", so to speak,
something that he knew wouldn't be played on the radio
(just the title would insure that), but would fulfill
the "5 Crystals-releases obligation." Voila! The Screw!!
Once that agreement was finished, he re-issued Philles
111 as a song by Darlene Love, and then released Philles
112 (the above-mentioned "Da Doo Ron Ron"), laughing all
the way to the bank...Whether this is, in fact, the true
story, I have no way of knowing. But that seems to be
the version that's been going around for at least the
past 25 years. Ribowsky's book has some mis-information
in it, and I think this is an example.
Now, you may be wondering "Why, if The Screw wasn't
released to the public, was it included in the 5-release
agreement?"...."He Hit Me" wasn't included, so why was
this one? Good question...Kinda puts a little hole in
the above theory, doesn't it?
And, there obviously was more than one copy produced,
contrary to Ribowsky...The label graphic that is shown
on the website is from a copy that used to belong to
Frank Castillo and now belongs to me...That's ONE. I
know of one other person that has a copy...That's TWO. I
also know of a person (C.P., formerly of Hollywood, CA)
who had a copy that had a skip in it (caused by a crack
in the vinyl), but, nonetheless, proceeded to issue a
quantity of bootleg copies that still are in demand
today, nearly 25 years later...That's THREE. Most
sources (Goldmine, Good Rockin' Tonight, etc) claim that
4 or 5 legit copies exist...Where the other one or two
copies are, I don't know - But, there certainly wasn't
just ONE copy pressed!!! Again, to quote Ribowsky is to
not always quote reality...
If you think about it, what pressing plant would press
ONE COPY of a record??!!! The usual minimum order is
anywhere from 50 to 100 copies from what I've heard...So,
where are the others???!!...Did Spector destroy them?
Are there STOCK copies in existence? Is Spector sitting
on them? (As an owner of one of the legit copies, I hope
this isn't the case!!)
Just a few musings on a Saturday morning...
Mark Landwehr
The Phil Spector Label Gallery @
http://home.tbbs.net/~msland/Spector/
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:54:56 EDT
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
Subject: Snopes does "The Screw" // 40 Years On
Hey there Stewart Mason, thanks for posting the Snopes
piece about "The Screw." I love the stories behind the
hits. All of 'em. I love that the Crystals and Darlene
have been "arguing" since 1963 about who recorded "Da
Doo Ron Ron," and I love when the girl groups positively
"hate" songs that they were "forced" to cut. Who knew
that these little vinyl ditties would be so discussed--
and in such detail !!!-- 40 years later! YES-- 40...
it's almost 40 years since "He's A Rebel" hit the charts...
"Da Doo Ron Ron" will be 40 years old in 2003... 40 !!!
And we're still discussing! Isn't it great? Long live
Spectropop!
Jimmy Crescitelli
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:48:28 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Spectrophonic
Frank wrote:
>
> >Billy mentioned the stereo Crystals recordings...I
> >mentioned a whole bunch of Spector stereo recordings I
> >just got my hands on. Is this something overlooked by
> >the "Back To Mono" crowd? Or is just too insignificant
> >to warrant data from the knowledge pool...What gives?
> >Was the mono man really stereo as well??
The stereo mixes don't have the "punch" of the original
mono singles but they give people like me a different
viewpoint of how these records were created. Since they
only had 3 tracks at Gold Stat most are very simple mixes.
I wonder what they would have sounded like if they had 4
or 8 track equipment at the time.
I think it's fun to hear a record for the first time in
stereo after you've heard it all your life in mono,
though I have heard some lousy CD remixes over the years.
I'm curious if any of the backing track session tapes
have survived over the years and were recorded on 3
tracks. (like Brian Wilson's sessions for Pet Sounds)
Billy
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:16:17 EDT
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Spectrophonic Track Listing
Frank wrote:
> many of the ones you found may also be fake stereo.
> Could you tell which tracks you have ?
Track listing to come (I'm at the slave pit at the
moment) thanks for the space...
JB
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:29:20 -0500
From: john rausch
Subject: darlene love
Speaking of Spector Stereo I just recently discovered
that Stumble And Fall is in very narrow stereo on the 2
lp set on Warner Spector. I never noticed until now.
Just thought I`d share....
John Rausch
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:29:18 +0100
From: Jill "Mingo-go"
Subject: Evie Sands
With all the talk about Evie Sands, I know she played
here in Scotland about 3 years ago, a gig that was put
on by members of Belle & Sebastian. There is a lovely
production of a track called "Landslide" that I believe
was recorded and perhaps written with Belle & Sebastian,
which I believe also has never seen the light of day,
but gets played down the local club here Divine most
Saturday nights, which is absolutely brilliant.
Which is how she wound up doing the duet with Chip
Taylor. The Marina "Caroline Now!" compilation was put
together by David Scott of the Pearlfishers and Duglas T.
Stewart (BMX Bandits), right here in Scotland...even
though they get little to no credit for it.
And I found the A&M LP in LA for 3 bucks in a second
hand shop 2 years ago, much to Duglas' delight...it
wasn't really up my street.
I will endeavour to find out what is happening with
"Landslide" as I want a copy myself!
Jill "Mingo-go"
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:24:06 -0000
From: Steve
Subject: Project - 20 Rock Songs that changed society
I am currently working on a project regarding 20 rock
songs that changed our society, (not the performance or
performers but the music or record itself) e.g., The
Twist--dance craze, adults came to accept it, it became
a culture within itself, etc. Anyhow, I am seeking
suggestions for songs, I have selected 20 already but
really need to expand my horizons and see what other
people have to say. Thanks.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:15:58 -0400
From: Mike Arcidiacono
Subject: Re: Spectrophonic
"Billy G Spradlin" wrote
> I'm curious if any of the backing track session tapes
> have survived over the years and were recorded on 3
> tracks. (like Brian Wilson's sessions for Pet Sounds)
Phil Spector has every single multitrack master he
recorded for phillies locked away safe and sound. the
ongoing belief is that he will not remix them because he
feels that he could not recreate the magic of the
original 1960s mixes, so whats issued are the mono
mixdowns that were hits.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 04:02:23 -0000
From: "Tony Leong"
Subject: Stereo Spector and Studio Shangs
I was listening to the Ronettes' "How Does It Feel" in
mono, then stereo, and heard a difference in the
backing vocal track. The stereo version has an all
female chorus singing "Weeeoooohh". The mono version
has a dominant male presence (Bobby Sheen??), and
different phrasing on the bridge. Sounds to me like the
mixes were from 2 different takes of the song. I'd love
to hear alternate takes of other Philles songs. A
friend of mine has a rough cut of "Do I Love You?"
featuring Ronnie and only Estelle and Nedra singing
(that's a rarity!!), and the handclaps are offbeat!!
Now, does anybody know if the '45 version of the
Shangri-Las "Maybe" is available on any CD? It is
totally different from the "live" version on the first
Red Bird LP. The '45 version is a studio take with
extremely shrill vocals from Mary. MaryAnn and Margie
phrase the background much like the Chantels' original
version. Betty is not on the '45 version, although she
is featured on the Lp version that pops up on
compilations. Also, is there a mono version of the
unedited "Leader Of the Pack" (with the band playing a
few more measures after the crash) available on any CD
as well? Tell me more, Tell me more.........
Tony Leong
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