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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Other Two
From: Ian Chapman
2. new york help
From: Jennifer
3. Stereo Spector
From: Ian Chapman
4. I wanna say yeah yeah yeah
From: Jack Madani
5. Back To Mono
From: Michael Pizzo
6. Re: New Spector?
From: Billy G Spradlin
7. Re: Tell Him, plus label discographies
From: Stewart Mason
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:19:48 +0100
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Other Two
Scott enquired:-
> Does anyone out there have any info on a British girl
> group called The Other Two? They featured Caroline
> Attard and Jemima Smith, who later married Andy Bown
> (ofThe Herd, Storyteller, etc.) and Duane Eddy,
> respectively.
Scott,
They had three UK releases:-
I Wanna Be With You/Grumbling Guitar - Decca F11911 ('64)
Don't You Wanna Love Me Baby/Hold Back The Light Of Dawn
- RCA 1465 (US 47-8607)('65) I'll Never Let You Go/Not
At Night - RCA 1531 ('66)
The first single, produced by Charles Blackwell, is very
much in the British Beat vein, and the flip "Grumbling
Guitar", is nine-tenths instrumental. Apparently at
Decca they also recorded a Jackie de Shannon song called
"Breakdown Baby", but it wasn't released due to its
controversial lyrics. At RCA, they cut Goffin & King's
"Don't You Wanna Love Me Baby" - theirs seems to be the
only released version of this song - does anyone know
another? (BTW, a NY demo acetate of this turned up on
a London market in the 80s along with some other NY
studio acetates, but that's another story). "Hold Back
The Light Of Dawn" is the same song as done by the
Tammys. "I'll Never Let You Go" is a J.J. Jackson song,
and he actually plays on both sides of the record.
Topside was also done a couple of years later by US
girl-group the Terr-rells on ABC.
There's also a Jerden single credited to the Other Two
("Don't Lock Me In/Look Around" - '66). Never heard
this, so I don't know if it's the same group, but it
could well be - Jerden had releases on several UK
artists at the time. If it is them, it's one of those
strange-but-not-unheard-of instances where a Brit group
had a US release that never materialised back home (see
also Blue Orchids, Chantelles, Simone Jackson....)
They did a lot of live work, and were on Chuck Berry's
UK tour of '64. Appearance-wise, they were quite a
striking duo. At the time of the first single they
sported quite a beatnik look - all-black and pretty
serious in tight slacks, boots and polo-necks, blonde
Jemima contrasting with dark-haired Caroline.
Performing their second single on TV in 1965, they'd
switched to a softer and more mod Carnaby Street look -
paisley/floral bell-bottoms and such.
As Scott said, Jemima married Duane Eddy and the group
folded in 1968. Caroline became part of Storyteller in
the 70s and married Andy Bown. In a 1998 interview with
Mark Paytress, Caroline said she liked their Decca
single, but expressed distaste with the two RCA releases
- she didn't even know they'd done a Goffin & King
original! Personally, being more gg-oriented than beat,
I prefer both RCAs to the Decca 45 every time!
Ian
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:19:56 -0000
From: Jennifer
Subject: new york help
Okay so I'm a wide-eyed girl going to NYC for the first
"non field trip" time to see the Zombies play. Can
anyone tell me the must sees for a 60s fan. I remember
someone talking about the Brill Bldg.
All help is greatly appreciated!!
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:50:45 +0100
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Stereo Spector
> > Phil [has gone] to the point of
> > saying that the stereo versions had nothing to do
> > with what he had originaly created.
>Then why were the Christmas record and PSI Ronettes
>album released in stereo mixes *instead* of in mono in
>the 70s? Remember, Phil controls his own masters?c
> > Back To Mono then I guess is what Phil Spector
> > intended his music to sound like...
>I don't know. You uncovered the I&TT mistake, and we
>recently dissected the Fine Fine Boy oddity - I am
>becoming less and less convinced.
Thought I'd just throw this in the ring. I just picked
up an original stereo Philles 4009 (Righteous Brothers'
"Back to Back") - as Jamie said, if Phil was so
anti-stereo, why sanction this release?
It's true, you do notice things in stereo that aren't
apparent in the mono mixes. On "Hung On You", the
vocals and b-vox are centre, the strings are on the
right channel, and everything else is on the left. This
has the effect of making the strings sound much richer
and you can pick out things like pizzicatos that just
get lost in mono. Having said that, I do think that
having all the percussion coming out of just one channel
has the effect of diluting the overall power of some
Spector tracks, and for sheer listening pleasure (as
opposed to scrutiny, fascinating though it is), I'd much
rather hear the mono mixes of "I Wonder" and "I'll Never
Need More Than This". But this isn't always true - I
happen to think the enhanced effect of the strings on
the stereo Christmas album gives it an added festive
dimension. Finally, don't you find your reactions to a
track vary depending on whether you're listening through
'phones or speakers? I certainly do.
BTW, Carole, is that you pictured on the back cover of
"Back to Back" in conversation with Bobby Hatfield?
Ian
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:00:10 -0400
From: Jack Madani
Subject: I wanna say yeah yeah yeah
Jamie wrote
>Speaking of the Goodies, their Dum Dum Ditty has that odd
>sounding, low monotone "yeah yeah yeah" just before the
>track breaks into the tag. On one version I have, which I
>know is the same recording, probably the same mix/edit
>and most likely only different mastering, that part of
>the record sounds like the entire track was "dipped" for
>the overdubbed "yeahs" then surged back in at the top of
>the next measure. A very strange sounding segue even for
>the time. Anyone else notice this? Any ideas on the
>technique used to achieve this rather abrupt effect?
No ideas of any worth to offer, Jamie. Only an
extremely hearty endorsement of the genius stature of
that crazy yeah yeah yeah. The ennui, oh the ENNUI!!
Like something worthy of the Shangri-Las. Only it's NOT
on the Shang's version. What's up with that?
jack
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:50:34 EDT
From: Michael Pizzo
Subject: Back To Mono
The River Deep Mountain High cd I mentioned in my first
post was according to it's credits "licensed" from "Phil
Spector Records", this then I assume makes it a legit
release and not a bootleg but I don't really know?
Quickly I'll add that the Teddy Bears cd is the entire
Teddy Bears Sing! album plus the first 4 tracks Phil,
and the other Teddy Bears recorded at Gold Star and were
of course released on Dore Records. This cd was put out
oddly enough by a company called "Door" records who I
know zippo about and quite possibly could be bootleg
though the sound quality is not bad if not rather good.
I always got the impression that Mr.Spector has his
master tapes locked away and hermetically sealed off
>from the world but this seems not to be the case? If it
was where are these master tapes or master copy tapes
coming from?
Lastly I also agree that as the stereo versions of the
River Deep Mountain High album remains quite a piece of
art, though I also perfer the mono versions especially
for the title track though both versions of I'll Never
Need More Than This are I think quite great. My comments
concerning Phil's own views on mono and stereo come from
the fascinating chapter "Stereo Spector" from
"Collecting Phil Spector" by Fitzpatrick and Fogerty. In
this chapter besides comparing and contrasting several
Phillie's records including Walking In The Rain the
authors also quote Phil many times through out the years
with negative remarks about his music in stereo, though
your right there is the question about the 1970's stereo
releases on Apple and Warner/Spector? Anyway it is good
we are talking about the worlds greatest producer!
Michael Pizzo
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:17:21 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: New Spector?
Marc Miller wrote:
> Hi All -
> The soundtrack to the film Quadrophenia has just been
> remastered/reissued.
> As you may know, the LP had all the Who stuff, plus Be My
> Baby, Da Doo Ron Ron, He's So Fine, and a few other
> tracks that were featured in the film.
> I know the Who stuff is from a new master.
> Does anyone know about the rest of it?
>
> Marc
I never bought the soundtrack on CD, But I believe the
Who removed the oldies from the soundtrack album to make
it all fit onto one CD.
Billy
(BTW: when are they ever going to settle that suit with
Shel Talmy and get back the masters for the "My
Generation" album??)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:46:52 -0600
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Tell Him, plus label discographies
Jamie LePage writes:
>Then there is the case of
>Tell Him by the Exciters which for years was only
>available with a botched vocal on the 2nd verse (which I
>came to like after hearing it so many times! It sounds
>like the lyric goes "If you want it...Makes your heart
>sing out").
That's not intentional? Huh! That's the only way I've
ever heard that song! I always figured it was like
"Please Please Me" where John starts singing the wrong
line in the last verse, or that utterly indecipherable
line in the second chorus of "Tell Her No," which Colin
Blunstone claims happened because he was half-asleep
when he recorded the vocals.
So what line is supposed to be in between?
Also: I don't believe I've asked this here before, but
does anyone know where I can lay hands on relatively
comprehensive Autumn Records and Warner Brothers (up to
about 1970) discographies?
Stewart
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