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There are 15 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 222:
1. Re: I Do
From: Billy G. Spradlin
2. Re: I Do
From: Brian Chidester
3. I Do
From: "Kingsley Abbott"
4. re : I Do
From: pollicesteeve
5. RE: I Do
From: Gregg Luvox
6. I Do
From: "Peter Lerner"
7. Re: Bootlegs vs "Bootlegs"
From: Marc Wielage
8. The Chiffons - I Have A Boyfriend
From: "Phil Chapman"
9. Re: BOYFRIENDS
From: "Jan Kristensen"
10. Girls Will Be Girls Vol 1
From: "Phil Chapman"
11. Girls Will Be Girls, Volume 1
From: LePageWeb
12. Please Be My Boyfriend Again
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
13. THE CHANTELLES
From: Mick Patrick
14. TINA'S PHILLES ACETATE
From: Mick Patrick
15. I DO
From: "George Young"
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:32:51 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: I Do
I didnt know there was a Survivors version of "I Do"! I
would love to hear it - I loved "Pamala Jean".
The only versions I am familar with are by The Castells
on Warner Brothers, and the Beach Boys version thats on
the "Surfer Girl - Shut Down Volume 2" 2-fer CD. The
BB's version sounds like Brian never finished producing
it, it's missing the organ solo from the Castells
version.
It's a great song, and like Brian's other outside
productions it leaves me bewhildered why they were never
big as any Beach Boys hits.
Billy
wrote:
> "Gregg Luvox" wrote:
>
> > Can anyone provide info on the song 'I Do'?
> >
> > I heard a fantastic pop version on Spectropop Radio but I
> > can't remember the artist and can't find the song listed.
>
> "I Do"......sung by Brian Wilson and a group called The
> Survivors, who were studio guys that Brian used on early
> Beach Boy sessions before the Wrecking Crew.
>
> GREAT record, no hit!!
>
> Mikey
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 13:35:44 EDT
From: Brian Chidester
Subject: Re: I Do
> "I Do"......sung by Brian Wilson and a group called
> The Survivors, who were studio guys that Brian used
> on early Beach Boy sessions before the Wrecking Crew.
Mark Groseclose was the drummer for the Survivors and
some of the Honeys sessions, as well. He went on to
join David Marks when Marks left the Beach Boys and
formed Dave & The Marksmen. The Marksmen put out three
phenominal 45's, with big production sound, and killer
guitar. "I Wanna Cry" reminds me of "I Feel Fine" with
the production style of Nitzsche's "Lonely Surfer".
Groseclose also toured with the Beach Boys for about a
month in 1963 as a drummer when Dennis hurt his hand.
If I remember right, Bob Noreburg (who was Brian
Wilson's roomate for a while) was also a part of that
group. A pre-Wrecking Crew might be the best way to
refer to them, because I think Bob and one other guy
also played on the Honeys records, as well. May have
been David Marks. He was a session guitarist with the
group even on the ALL SUMMER LONG album, but not a
member featured on LP covers, so who knows.
Brian
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 14:06:59 +0100
From: "Kingsley Abbott"
Subject: I Do
Sorry Mikey, but "I Do" was not The Survivors (Brian and
friends - not Beach Boys - who did "Pamela Jean" - Jan 64
- and "Wich Stand"). It was The Castells, and the single
was released on WB 5421 on March 9th 1964, and is a great
record. The song was written by Brian and Roger Christian,
and Brian produced it.
BTW - saw The Beach Boys in London's Hyde Park a couple of
weeks back. Enjoyable, if a little patchy vocally. They
did a nice "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" with a repeated
full harmony intro, a version of "Wendy" that needs more
practise, and even "A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone" which Mike
love sang in quite a high register for him. They seem to
lack the full vocals one below the top at present (the old
Al/Carl position). Eight 'Beach Boys' on stage inc ML, BJ,
Adrian Baker, Chris Farmer (the carl type 'anchor role'),
John Cowsill, Mike Kowolski, and two others whose names
escape me... I was most pleased to find that the number
which really brought everyone to their feet was "Wouldn't
It Be Nice"...class will out!
Kingsley
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 13:39:57 EDT
From: pollicesteeve
Subject: re : I Do
I know three versions of "I Do" Two similar ones written
& produecd by Brian Wilson.
The former performed by the Castells on a single
recorded 11/6/63 & released on Warner Bros. Available on
a rare Japanese issue called "Still I Dream Of It" .
The latter is performed by the Beach Boys with the same
backing track. Available on the 2fer CD Surfer Girl/
Shut Down vol2 as a bonus track.
Sessions of the backing track(& vocals)are available on
the Sea Of Tunes bootlegs Unsurpassed Masters vol 4.
I suppose it's not the third & last version of I "Do you"
are mentioning. But, anyway, it's a totally different
composition written by Brian (& Dr. Landy ?) on another
bootleg of a late 80's unissued BW album called "Sweet
Insanity". The complete name is "(I Do) Do You Have Any
Regrets ?".
Hope it can help,
Steeve.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:34:56 -0700
From: Gregg Luvox
Subject: RE: I Do
Mike wrote:
>
> "Gregg Luvox" wrote:
>
> > Can anyone provide info on the song 'I Do'?
> >
> > I heard a fantastic pop version on Spectropop Radio but I
> > can't remember the artist and can't find the song listed.
>
> "I Do"......sung by Brian Wilson and a group called The
> Survivors, who were studio guys that Brian used on early
> Beach Boy sessions before the Wrecking Crew.
>
> GREAT record, no hit!!
I don't think that's the one. A girl with one name sang
this and it's the same song that was covered by the
J. Geils Band. Maybe it's the same, I don't know. I'd
love to hear that Brian Wilson version, though.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:25:08 +0100
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: I Do
However, if it was the "soul" version you heard rather
than Brian Wilson, then it was the brilliant Marvelows
on ABC Paramount. Whatever happened to them?
Peter
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:31:05 -0700
From: Marc Wielage
Subject: Re: Bootlegs vs "Bootlegs"
Doc Rock commented on the SpectroPop group:
> In the '50s and '60s, there were thousands of young
> Americans overseas in the service. They wanted rock and
> roll. But American companies weren't about to cater to
> that tiny market. So, overseas companies were given (sold)
> the rights to American top 40 material. Those rights have
> persisted, and been sold many times as overseas get
> bought and gobbled up.
>----------------------------------------<
Not as I understand it. A simpler explanation is that
copyrights only last X number of years in some countries.
Beyond that amount of time -- typically 20 years -- the
rights lapse and go into the public domain, meaning
anyone can legally issue the recording on any format they
wish.
However: I believe in both Japan and Italy -- two major
countries that were sources of "grey-area" music -- they
actually changed the copyright laws a few years ago to
allow the copyright holders to extend their copyrights
for another 27+ years. They might even have matched the
revised U.S. copyright laws, which I believe go for 50
years *after* the death of the copyright holder.
This is one reason why most studios started copyrighting
their films, scripts, and soundtracks under a corporate
entity. Since a corporation can pretty much never "die"
per se, the rights should hold pretty much forever.
That's why it says, "for purposes of copyright, Blah-Blah
Studios is the Author of this film," and so on.
--MFW
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:02:51 +0100
From: "Phil Chapman"
Subject: The Chiffons - I Have A Boyfriend
Jamie wrote:
> I adore this record, and for precisely the reason you
> give. "....met him a week ago.." Great stuff.
Jamie, the killer line comes next: "He's mine for ever,
last night he told me so" - yeah, sure! If that's not
brilliantly naive.... Aided and abetted by a fab Tokens
production featuring a bass-run with each off-beat
snare, making it slam into the down-beat, a guitar solo
through a Leslie cabinet, way ahead of all those 70s
rock bands, and the lead line thrown over to the
backing vocals during the bridge.... This is no
ordinary girlgroup record!
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 13:26:50 +0200
From: "Jan Kristensen"
Subject: Re: BOYFRIENDS
I too agree that the GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS vol 1 is one
of the better girl groups CD's - not only the Chic-lets
and the Cinderellas track, but to me the Lorie Burton
and Marie Applebee tracks are just great. Vol 2 was
also O.K. so what about vol 3? Are there any plans for
another GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS CD?
"Mick Patrick" wrote:
> "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend" ... is one of
> my absolute favourite girl-group tracks, which is why my
> colleague Malcolm Baumgart and I included it on the
> CD...(massive plug coming!): GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS
> (Westside WESM 600, 1999)...it also contains A
> PREVIOUSLY UNISSUED TRACK BY THE CINDERELLAS...I rate
> this CD as one of the best I have ever been involved with.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:37:35 +0100
From: "Phil Chapman"
Subject: Girls Will Be Girls Vol 1
> The Chic-lets' "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend" was
> written by Wally Zober and Bert Salmirs. This is one of
> my absolute favourite girl-group tracks, which is why my
> colleague Malcolm Baumgart and I included it on the
> CD...(massive plug coming!): GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS
> (Westside WESM 600, 1999).
...ably produced by the Angels' team of Feldman,
Goldstein & Gottehrer.
Of course I should have mentioned the 30 other superb
tracks on this excellent CD...
Here's what M & M have to say about the Chic-lets: 'One
wonders if Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer obtained
planning permission for this fantastic modernisation of
the Shirelles' old song. This all-star group comprised
Darlettes' lead vocalist Diane Christian backed by Kapp
quartet Patty Lace & The Petticoats who, between them,
gave the girl-group world such dream tracks as "Here She
Comes", "It Happened One Night" and "Sneaky Sue".'
Each track is accompanied by this degree of detail,
artist pics, and additional related information, making
this possibly the best compilation of its type. And the
mastering quality is great too!
The CD is just under $12, which is worth it for the cover
alone. As an aside, if it wasn't for dedication of the
likes of Mick and Malcolm, some of these tunes would never
come to light, so if you want more, then prove their
endeavours commercially viable.
Amen.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:50:07 +0900
From: LePageWeb
Subject: Girls Will Be Girls, Volume 1
A few days ago as a friend and I were going through
posts and listening to the Chic-Lets file, my friend
said she had heard this song before. I recognized it too
but couldn't place it. I thought it might have been on
an old girl groups cassette tape someone made for me. So
I wrote to the list:
>
> > thanks for playing for us...the Chic-Lets' "I Want You To
> > Be My Boyfriend". I'm sure for many of us it was the
> > first time to hear [it]. By the way, who wrote the
> > Chic-Lets record if not Jeff and Ellie?
Darlettes Fan Club Prez Mick Patrick replied:
> The Chic-lets' "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend" was
> written by Wally Zober and Bert Salmirs. This is one of
> my absolute favourite girl-group tracks, which is why my
> colleague Malcolm Baumgart and I included it on the
> CD...(massive plug coming!): GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS
> (Westside WESM 600, 1999).
Thanks for jogging the old brain cells. You know, with
Here Come the Girls, Where the Girls Are, The Girls
Scene, Gee Baby Gee, Dream Girls, Growing Up Too Fast,
etc. etc. two dozen or more GG-only CDs, each embodying
25 or so tracks (GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS has 31!!!), it is
really massive. I've got nearly 1,000 tracks on girl
group comps alone - and I'm just a casual collector. I
think we need a co-op CD data base or something. But it
is really helpful when someone bothers to spin a track
like I Want You To Be My Boyfriend for us. After all, in
this case it sparked new discussion on this CD here and
I am sure not to forget the Chic-Lets again. btw,
> I'm surprised Spectropoppers are not familiar with this
> readily available legal CD. Perhaps if I informed you
> that it also contains A PREVIOUSLY UNISSUED TRACK BY THE
> CINDERELLAS, you might BUY rather than download!
...(whatever that means). I bought this CD long ago as soon
as Ian posted about it, and yes, the Cinderellas track is
really tasty - the cover photo and striped graphics alone
are worth the price of admission (I'm sure I just
overlooked the credit but who graces the cover, btw?).
For me another wonderful discovery on this CD was the
audition tape recording by the Essex. Girl You Better Go
For Yourself has this quirky melody and lyric - so does
I'll Let the Boys Know - and Anita sings them both with
an intriguing mixture of enthusiasm and innocence. The
backing on these is mostly a single rhythm guitar, but
the simplicity of the tracks only adds to the intimate
atmosphere. I get nervous just thinking about the
suggestion scrawled on the tape box that the tape ought
to be erased. I would LOVE to hear the other 4 tracks
>from this tape that remain unreleased. Anyone got 'em? ;-)
> I rate this CD as one of the best I have ever been involved
> with.
It really is special. and I guess thanks should go out
to Ian for telling us about it in the first place because
West Side sure isn't making much effort! Have you ever
visited the web site listed on the CD inlay card? I
couldn't find a single word about this CD anywhere on the
site.
> You'd be stunned if you knew how pathetic the sales
> figures are!
Does that mean I shouldn't keep my hopes up for a Volume
3? Some of us have never had the pleasure of hearing those
other Essex tracks, you know...
Jamie
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 05:01:10 EDT
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
Subject: Please Be My Boyfriend Again
Oh boy, Roy...
Anyway, I've just had one of those unparalleled
experiences: that of listening to a heretofore unheard
girl-group number that's been on my "Want List" for many,
many years: "Please Be My Boyfriend". It's SO cool to
listen to... but, I don't think it's the Crystals. The
lead voice is sorta lala-like, and I think Tony Leong
mentioned the possibility of the determined Dee Dee's
backing soprano, and there DOES seem to be a Pat thrown
in there, but... still and all, boys and girls, I dunno.
Maybe it's a little bit of everybody who happened to be
around that day with whoever was manning the console?
Then there's that picture of the lead sheet in "Girl
Groups: The Story Of A Sound..." (page 125). Dated July
9, 1964, it lists Spector as producer, no group name,
and cost $169.52 to track. Maybe for now we can call
them The Crystallines. I mean, it's still good. And
forgive me if some of the pertinent facts were already
posted.
I love a mystery...
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 13:26:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: THE CHANTELLES
Greetings,
Great pictures of Ris and her gals on Spectropop's new
CHANTELLES page. No name checks for her colleagues, though.
The group comprised:
RIS CHANTELLE, SANDRA ORR and JAY ADAMS whose place was
later taken by NOLA YORK.
No news yet on Ris's own website but she promised to keep
us all informed.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:58:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: TINA'S PHILLES ACETATE
Greetings,
Of "EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN" D C Hampton wrote:
> I remember Bob Crewe telling me that he produced that
> track with Tina Turner when I interviewed him several years
> ago. He was quite proud of it (deservedly so), and he
> regretted that it has never gained wide release.
That Bob Crewe regretted this track was not widely
released implies that it WAS RELEASED. I never knew that.
Do please tell. Is there an official (or unofficial)
release of this track that should be added to Tina
Turner's discography? I'd also like to know if the mix
DC Hampton has heard is the same as the acetate I heard.
Do please share.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 02:13:40 -0400
From: "George Young"
Subject: I DO
"Mike Arcidiacono" wrote:
>"I Do"......sung by Brian Wilson and a group called The
>Survivors, who were studio guys that Brian used on early
>Beach Boy sessions before the Wrecking Crew.
>
>GREAT record, no hit!!
The Beach Boys did their own version. You can find it as
a bonus track on one of those two-fers that were released
in the 90's. It's a truly great record! If you want, I
can track down the cd title for you.
Skip
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