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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Big Hurt
From: "Peter Lerner"
2. Re: SpecAnnette Kleinbard
From: Tom Simon
3. "Sammy The Sidewalk Surfer"/"KRLA Jingle"
From: Brian Chidester
4. Re: Jackie DeShannon
From: "Peter Lerner"
5. Ivy
From: "Paul Payton"
6. Catalina Caper
From: Christopher Davidson
7. re: Ronettes recordings
From: LePageWeb
8. Re: Ronettes Recordings
From: "Peter Lerner"
9. Re: Ronettes Recordings
From: "Keith Beach"
10. Re: The Big Hurt
From: Dan Hughes
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:40:11 -0000
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: Re: The Big Hurt
"James Botticelli" wrote:
> Reminds me of Toni Fisher's "The Big Hurt", Never thought
> anyone could touch its excellence. Then along comes Susan
> Rafey in '66 on Verve with Alan Lorber at the controls.
> Different version, same song. Both superb. Whaddya gonna
> do?...JB
Miss Toni's version is an all time classic, but Del
Shannon's Liberty version is also sensational. Speaking
of Toni, I've bought several of her subsequent 45s, but
only West of the Wall stands out as at all worthy - the
first protest song of the 60s?
Peter
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:35:31 -0600
From: Tom Simon
Subject: Re: SpecAnnette Kleinbard
Brian Chidester wrote:
>Gene Sculatti was actually the guy who figured out that
>Carol Connors was Annette Kleinbard.
Annette was a friend of Phil Spector from his days at
Fairfax High in Los Angeles, and that is how she came to
be a member of the Teddy Bears.
Tom Simon
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:20:23 EST
From: Brian Chidester
Subject: "Sammy The Sidewalk Surfer"/"KRLA Jingle"
Now you got me. I thought I knew them all. I have five
singles by Carol, including what sounds like a Yamaha
commercial (It's a promo, one-sided single called "Yum,
Yum Yamaha"). I also have a single by Carol & Cheryl,
and one by the Storytellers, which is Steve Barri and
Carol Connors (Steve on the verses and Carol on the
choruses -- with both co-writing the songs). Also, I
have the "Swingin' Summer" LP soundtrack and the movies
that she recorded in. I'd love to hear that Del-Fi
double-side. Was it ever released with any of the Del-Fi
Surf music comps? If not, wanna trade?
Brian [whose bragging rights just went out the window!!!!!]
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:00:58 -0000
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: Re: Jackie DeShannon
"Simon White" asked:
> While Jackie De Shannons name is up, can someone tell me,
> was "Are you ready for this" ever released on 45
> even as a demo? If so how available is it and has anyone
> got one for sale!
Not in the US or UK, Simon, but it's the title track of a
nice LP on Imperial which you should be able to find via
collectors' shops. Jackie does her Diana Ross to
perfection on this track.
Peter
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:29:34 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: Ivy
Don Charles wrote: "I submit that true girl group records
have never stopped being made. It's just a question of
quantity now."
Check out Ivy's "Edge of the Ocean" on their new Long
Distance CD - about as authentic as 2001 will let you get
without being dismissed as a retro copycat. (Then stay
around for the rest of the CD - perhaps not "pure pop"
but excellent nonetheless. And no, I'm not a paid promo
guy for them.)
Country Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:25:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Davidson
Subject: Catalina Caper
The great Catalina Caper, and many other boffo '60s
films are available at www.thevideobeat.com. I've
bought from 'em in the past, and while it's a tad
expensive, the quality is good. Also, the Mystery
Science version of CC is available on Amazon. No DVD
yet, tho. Chow.
=====
Chris Davidson
The Sixth Dave Clark Five
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:02:53 +0900
From: LePageWeb
Subject: re: Ronettes recordings
Hi Paul,
Well, I apologize if I wasn't perfectly clear and it is a
rather dry point but what I wrote is accurate so please
allow me to clarify since it is a point that comes up
every once in a while especially in connection with
ABKCO.
First I wrote:
> > use in film or video requires publisher approval.
Paul replied
> Jamie you are partially right. In publishing (like
> Mother Bertha) once a song is released in some form
> (recorded or published in sheet music) there is a
> universal use clause that allows anybody to use the
> song, as long as standard royalities are paid.
That law doesn't apply to synchronization use (e.g., use
in commercial film, TV, videos, etc.). Neither does it
apply to print use (sheet music), but let's leave print
alone since it isn't particularly relevant to the
discussion at hand.
To be precise, once a recording of a song has been
commercially released (the first mechanical use), anyone
may make another recording of that song and sell copies
of his recorded version as long as he pays the song's
copyright owner mechanical license fees in accordance
with the compulsory mechanical license rules. That is the
"universal use clause" you are talking about, which is
more typically known as the "compulsory mechanical rule".
Synchronization licenses, on the other hand, are subject
to approval in every instance, no matter how many times
they have been used before.
So to reiterate - Ronnie (or anyone) can re-record the
Ronettes hits for audio-only configurations like CD but
Mother Bertha must approve any proposed synchronization
use, no matter who owns the recording in question.
> A good case in point is the Herman's Hermits recordings
> which [ABKCO] controls. Peter Noone re-recorded
> "I'm Into Something Good" for use in the soundtrack
> of The Naked Gun. I am told this was done because
> Klein was too hard to deal with so Paramont recut it.
I don't know the details of the Hermits' masters, but
reading your comments one must conclude that Paramount
could do this *only* because ABKCO did NOT control
publishing. That's a Goffin/King song published by Aldon
(now Screen Gems EMI), so once EMI granted approval for
the synch use, all Paramount had to do was create a new
master. ABKCO had no say in it. For the very reasons I
gave yesterday, if ABKCO owned the song publishing too,
they would never have approved a synch use of a
re-recording. That I am certain of.
The point here is that no matter how difficult ABKCO was
regarding the Hermits master, Paramount had a way out
because ABKCO did not control the publishing. In the case
of the Ronettes hits, Mother Bertha controls publishing.
That means they can block any commercial audio/visual use
of Ronettes re-recordings.
For more on the business of copyright law as pertains to
music publishing check out this page
http://www.goodnightkiss.com/joybutler.html
> I never wanted to make it sound like a remake would
> replace the original version...
No, I know that. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Best always,
Jamie
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:02:48 -0000
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: Re: Ronettes Recordings
"Paul Urbahns" writes:
>
> Marc we will all be dead and gone before that happens. I
> honestly think Klein is holding on to the material until
> all the artists and the market for their recordings are
> both dead. We are not getting any younger. The people
> who actually remember Phils stuff are in their 50s now,
> some in their 60s. The clock ticks on ...and on.... and
> on.
>
> Paul Urbahns
Am I very naive or something? If you're sitting on
something that's going to make you money, why would any
sane person keep sitting on it until the chance has gone,
rather than make yourself some cash?
Or have I missed something?
Peter
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:41:00 -0000
From: "Keith Beach"
Subject: Re: Ronettes Recordings
It's called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' -
in other words if Phil can't have Ronnie then no-one can.
Keith Beach
Peter writes:
> "Paul Urbahns" writes:
>
> >
> > Marc we will all be dead and gone before that happens. I
> > honestly think Klein is holding on to the material until
> > all the artists and the market for their recordings are
> > both dead.
>
> Am I very naive or something? If you're sitting on
> something that's going to make you money, why would any
> sane person keep sitting on it until the chance has gone,
> rather than make yourself some cash?
>
> Or have I missed something?
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:46:03 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: The Big Hurt
Peter sez:
> Miss Toni's version is an all time classic, but Del
> Shannon's Liberty version is also sensational. Speaking
> of Toni, I've bought several of her subsequent 45s, but
> only West of the Wall stands out as at all worthy - the
> first protest song of the 60s?
I spent a week in the summer of '62 visiting my cousins
in Minneapolis, and local radio station KDWB radio musta'
had money on West of the Wall, because they played it
once an hour for the whole week I was there. Great song,
only got to 37 in Billboard. And interestingly enough
that you mention her in the same sentence as Del Shannon.
Because West of the Wall was on Big Top, which had most
of Del Shannon's hits.
---Dan
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